Linda this is now an on topic for your list, you can no longer pretend it is not. I cannot get anything from your list site. So now what do I do to keep getting the note s from you ? Please advise on you list. Or personally please ? Fred

Look forward to hearing more about this visit, as my cousin Amy Young (author of "Three Hundred Years in Inishowen", 1930) or rather her husband, was agent for the Shane's Castle estate at the time it was burned in 1922. Also interested in the White family, do you have any connection with Sir George Stuart White? His sister Elizabeth married Robert James Montgomery of Benvarden, near Dervock. Here is his bio: Sir George Stuart White, born on 6th July 1835, in Portstewart, was to become one of the most famous and most dedicated soldiers in the history of the British Army. After leaving Sandhurst Royal Military College he joined the 27th Inniskillings in 1853, before transferring to the 92nd Gordon Highlanders in 1863. He served in the 2nd Afghan war where he won the Victoria Cross in October 1879 at the Battles of Charasia and Kandahar, citation for V.C. reads “ For conspicuous bravery during the engagement at Charasia on the 6th October, 1879, when, finding that the artillery and rifle fire failed to dislodge the enemy from a fortified hill which it was necessary to capture, Major White led an attack on it in person. Advancing with two companies of his regiment, and climbing from one steep ledge to another, he came upon a body of the enemy strongly posted and outnumbering his force by about eight to one. His men being much exhausted and immediate action being necessary, Major Whi! te took a rifle and, going on by himself, shot the leader of the enemy. This act so intimidated the rest that they fled round the side of the hill and the position was won. Again on the 1st September, 1880, at the Battle of Kandahar, Major White, in leading the final charge under heavy fire from the enemy, who held a strong position supported by two guns, rode straight up to within a few yards of them, and seeing the guns, dashed forward and secured one of them, immediately after which the enemy retired." He also saw service at Kabal, Sharpur, Takti, Shah, Egypt, Sudan, India and South Africa. During the Boer War White is best remembered as the Officer Commanding the Natal town of Ladysmith during the “ Siege of Ladysmith “ . Under Whites command the town held for 118 Days, before a relief force managed to get through under the command of General Buller. After the relief of Ladysmith, White, whose health had been impaired by the siege, returned to England, and was appointed! governor of Gibraltar (1900-1904). King Edward VII., who visited the Gibraltar fortress in 1903, personally gave him the baton of a field marshal. In 1905 Sir George White was appointed governor of Chelsea Hospital, he died in 1912. Charlie > > From: TransCong@aol.com > Date: 2006/02/04 Sat AM 05:22:16 GMT+13:00 > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Re: Accomodation in Northern Ireland > > I'm most excited about the second part of our stay, which will be closer to > Antrim. (The ancestors are from Muckamore.) We're lodging in a restored Irish > Landmark Trust property - Ballealy Cottage - in Randalstown. It was the > gamekeeper's lodge for the Shane's Castle estate and is close to the banks of the > Researching WHYTE/WHITE in Shaneoguestown, Grange of Muckamore, County Antrim > >

Sorry but whats the big deal ? I dislike the puerile advertising etc on TVand exercise the right to press the off button on the remote. So dont use AOL /Yahoo and let the market forces tell them the facts of life. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: William H. Magill To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] AOL - Rootsweb - Free emails - Cheep internet question On 03 Feb, 2006, at 13:56, Mike Kennedy wrote: > My question is this: > > How hard would it be for Rootsweb or volunteers to start our own > competitive PROFIT-MAKING organization, to carry own messages and > bypass those companies like AOL and Yahoo who don't want our > business? Possibly even provide a nationwide, inexpensive, high- > speed, CHEAP internet access for ALL genealogists. The issue is NOT with Rootsweb or its server. The issue is with AOL and apparently, in the not too distant future, with Yahoo! Those Email services are going to charge you to receive mail from anyone EXCEPT another AOL subscriber (if you are an AOL member) or another Yahoo! subscriber (if you are a Yahoo! subscriber. This is ON TOP of your regular subscription fee. (Yeah, I know Yahoo! is "free," but you get what you pay for.) The problem is that for any "mailing list" -- which Scotch-Irish-L is -- MUST pay AOL, and apparently Yahoo! to send email to any subscriber who happens to use either of those services. Having volunteers support RootsWeb (which they already do) would make no difference, AOL and Yahoo! will still charge the Scotch-Irish mailing list (as well as any other mailing list) to send mail to their subscribers. Oh, AOL and Yahoo! will make the claim that they are not charging you that the charge is being paid by the Mailer ... i.e. the Scotch-Irish mailing list. So that means that SOMEBODY (hope Linda has a big banking account) has to pay "Goodmail" everytime somebody sends a message to the list. Now what was not said in the letter, but is the only reason I can see that a failing service like AOL would go with Goodmail, is that Goodmail will pay AOL a royalty for every message "approved" by its service. After all, this is how they make money on their advertising "clik-throughs," so why would they not try to come up with a scheme that allows them to make money on every email message sent to their subscribers? I have know the folks at L-Soft for many, many years -- They have been part of "the Net" since the "good ol days of BITNET." I know their principal's integrity and principles. They went from a purely academic operation on BITNET to a for-profit company when the Internet came into existence. They are good people. If they are concerned, then there is reason to be concerned. As far as the other idea -- becoming a profit-making company... AOL is NOT a profit making company. That is why Time Warner is the name of the Company now, not "AOL-Time Warner." Why? because providing "cheap," let alone "high-speed" Internet access is NOT a cheap process. It is VERY difficult to make money in the ISP business today. When AOL was created, the "Baby Bells" were required to provide dial- up access to anyone who wanted to start a company, at a substantial discount to their own rates. High-Speed Data Services (DSL, Sprint's so-called "broadband access", Cable Modem access, etc.) are NOT rate- controlled by the FCC or any state Public Utility Commission. Consequently, they do not provide "bulk" discounts to folks who would like to use their facilities. The other major problem for a business plan is ... How many Genealogists are there? How many Genealogists who do not already have a "better deal" for an ISP? I spent 30 years supporting the ARPAnet, Internet and Internet2, providing RELIABLE computing services is expensive. Providing RELIABLE networking service is even more expensive... and the higher the speed, the more expensive and less reliable things get. ISPs suffer from what is called in the Utility Business -- Peak Load Demand. That means that you must be capable of handling EVERYONE who wants to use your service AT THE SAME TIME ... because they just might do it. The Electricity GRID shows the strains of this with Brownouts and Blackouts. If you have 1000 subscribers, they just might all want to use the system at 10pm EST on a Friday night. Those 1000 subscribers won't use the system at all from 6am to 3pm on Monday, but you can't move the capacity they didn't use on Monday over to Friday night. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com

Hi folks, THis AOL thread has nothing to do with the purposes of this list -- let's move on. People wanting to continue the discussion should find an appropriate list. It's not this one. Linda Merle List Admin ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

On 03 Feb, 2006, at 13:56, Mike Kennedy wrote: > My question is this: > > How hard would it be for Rootsweb or volunteers to start our own > competitive PROFIT-MAKING organization, to carry own messages and > bypass those companies like AOL and Yahoo who don't want our > business? Possibly even provide a nationwide, inexpensive, high- > speed, CHEAP internet access for ALL genealogists. The issue is NOT with Rootsweb or its server. The issue is with AOL and apparently, in the not too distant future, with Yahoo! Those Email services are going to charge you to receive mail from anyone EXCEPT another AOL subscriber (if you are an AOL member) or another Yahoo! subscriber (if you are a Yahoo! subscriber. This is ON TOP of your regular subscription fee. (Yeah, I know Yahoo! is "free," but you get what you pay for.) The problem is that for any "mailing list" -- which Scotch-Irish-L is -- MUST pay AOL, and apparently Yahoo! to send email to any subscriber who happens to use either of those services. Having volunteers support RootsWeb (which they already do) would make no difference, AOL and Yahoo! will still charge the Scotch-Irish mailing list (as well as any other mailing list) to send mail to their subscribers. Oh, AOL and Yahoo! will make the claim that they are not charging you that the charge is being paid by the Mailer ... i.e. the Scotch-Irish mailing list. So that means that SOMEBODY (hope Linda has a big banking account) has to pay "Goodmail" everytime somebody sends a message to the list. Now what was not said in the letter, but is the only reason I can see that a failing service like AOL would go with Goodmail, is that Goodmail will pay AOL a royalty for every message "approved" by its service. After all, this is how they make money on their advertising "clik-throughs," so why would they not try to come up with a scheme that allows them to make money on every email message sent to their subscribers? I have know the folks at L-Soft for many, many years -- They have been part of "the Net" since the "good ol days of BITNET." I know their principal's integrity and principles. They went from a purely academic operation on BITNET to a for-profit company when the Internet came into existence. They are good people. If they are concerned, then there is reason to be concerned. As far as the other idea -- becoming a profit-making company... AOL is NOT a profit making company. That is why Time Warner is the name of the Company now, not "AOL-Time Warner." Why? because providing "cheap," let alone "high-speed" Internet access is NOT a cheap process. It is VERY difficult to make money in the ISP business today. When AOL was created, the "Baby Bells" were required to provide dial- up access to anyone who wanted to start a company, at a substantial discount to their own rates. High-Speed Data Services (DSL, Sprint's so-called "broadband access", Cable Modem access, etc.) are NOT rate- controlled by the FCC or any state Public Utility Commission. Consequently, they do not provide "bulk" discounts to folks who would like to use their facilities. The other major problem for a business plan is ... How many Genealogists are there? How many Genealogists who do not already have a "better deal" for an ISP? I spent 30 years supporting the ARPAnet, Internet and Internet2, providing RELIABLE computing services is expensive. Providing RELIABLE networking service is even more expensive... and the higher the speed, the more expensive and less reliable things get. ISPs suffer from what is called in the Utility Business -- Peak Load Demand. That means that you must be capable of handling EVERYONE who wants to use your service AT THE SAME TIME ... because they just might do it. The Electricity GRID shows the strains of this with Brownouts and Blackouts. If you have 1000 subscribers, they just might all want to use the system at 10pm EST on a Friday night. Those 1000 subscribers won't use the system at all from 6am to 3pm on Monday, but you can't move the capacity they didn't use on Monday over to Friday night. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.1 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com

I don't really understand all of the technical aspects of this fee and closing down the current setup but since it is so technical it leads me to a question. Volunteers have set up the current system and have used commercial, PROFIT- MAKING companies to carry our messages. Now those PROFIT-MAKING companies are threatening our system. My question is this: How hard would it be for Rootsweb or volunteers to start our own competitive PROFIT-MAKING organization, to carry own messages and bypass those companies like AOL and Yahoo who don't want our business? Possibly even provide a nationwide, inexpensive, high-speed, CHEAP internet access for ALL genealogists. We would need people with the incentive of an interest in Genealogy, some computer expertise, some business expertise, legal and accounting expertise, possibly some money (sell stock) and some time. That sounds like retirement areas for seniors. Surely there is some area of the country ( Boston, Miami New York, Atlanta Tampa, etc) where a group could organize, (with Rootsweb and other free genealogy organizations joined together to control policy) , incorporate, sell stock, buy equipment, sell phone modem access then high speed access, the make a profit. Genealogists all over the country could get high speed access at half the current price, set their own rules that won't curtail genealogy research and co-operation. With all the groups Rootsweb has set up, maybe a group could be set up to study the possibility of setting up such a corporation, selling stock, competing with AOL (just for genealogists (or maybe also AARP if the join in the effort). Just a thought but it did bring up the question. All my future responses will be with the Rootsweb main controlling site. I will not contine this thread here in case it is not appropriate. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C Abernathy" <DaveA@schmeckabernathy.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] FW: The AOL - Good Mail TAX !!! > The following was passed on to me from a couple different lists that I am > on. If this happens, I can see all of the good work that the likes of > Rootsweb.com going away. > Thanks for listening to my 2 bits worth. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > > > L-Soft has joined the growing number of companies that protest against > AOL's recent announcement that it will phase out its Enhanced Whitelist > service in June in favour of Goodmail CertifiedEmail, which carries an as > yet unspecified per-message fee. In a nutshell, companies like L-Soft get > on > the AOL whitelist by following good e-mail practices, such as cleaning up > dead addresses, making it easy for people to leave mailing lists, and of > course not sending any spam. This is all going to be thrown out the > window and replaced with the payment of hard currency to Goodmail. People > who can afford to pay this fee will have the privilege of reaching AOL > subscribers, others will end up in junk folders. Yahoo is expected to > follow down the same path. > > I have nothing against certification as an additional tool in the fight > against spam. Knowing that message such and such genuinely comes from its > purported sender can help improve the accuracy of your spam filter. I > also understand that certification costs money, unless sponsored by the > government or by volunteers donating their time to the cause. But I think > per-message certification fees make as much sense as per-click SSL > certificate fees. I also find that the "rumoured" rates that have been > mentioned in some of the press articles are totally out of proportion > with the service being provided. The fee is several times what providers > currently charge for the service of hosting the mailing list, removing > dead addresses, making backups, etc. As an illustration, a typical hobby > list would cost on the order of $500-1000 a year. An active list could > cost $10k or more a year. This may not be much for the advertisement > manager of a large company, not when compared to print adverts, but what > about the rest of us? I know L-Soft hosting customers cannot afford the > price increase that would be necessary to cover an identification fee of > five figures PER DAY. > > And for many of us, this identification fee is not even an option. To be > eligible for Goodmail accreditation, you must "have business headquarters > located in the United States or Canada." Foreigners need not bother. You > must also "have at least a 6 month mailing history from [the] IP" address > from which you are sending your newsletter. This of course makes it very > difficult to switch ISPs if you are not satisfied with the one you are > using. A new ISP means a new IP address, and Goodmail will then shut you > down for "at least 6 months." A nice 'protection' plan for the ISP, but a > disaster for customers. > > Anyway, here is a link to our full press release, which has been sent to > major publications today. And I want to salute the courage of the > executives at hosting-only companies that have spoken up and protested, > knowing full well that they would go out of business in a matter of > months were their access to AOL and Yahoo mailboxes to be cut off in > retaliation. In the post-Enron era, this kind of corporate courage is > very rare indeed. I stand on much firmer ground, as hosting is only a > side activity at L-Soft, but I can still imagine what must have gone > through their mind before they hit the send button. > > http://www.lsoft.com/news/aol-goodmail.asp > >

Thanks Linda and listers for the recommendations about lodging. The Avenue Guesthouse doesn't have space, so we booked at a B&B called All Seasons. From their map it appears it's just around the corner from PRONI on Lisburn Ave. I'll make sure to post when I get back and let you all know how it goes. I'm most excited about the second part of our stay, which will be closer to Antrim. (The ancestors are from Muckamore.) We're lodging in a restored Irish Landmark Trust property - Ballealy Cottage - in Randalstown. It was the gamekeeper's lodge for the Shane's Castle estate and is close to the banks of the Lough. Pricey, but it's also self-catering, so we can save a bit on food. Here's the link if anyone would like to take a look. _www.irishlandmark.com/restored.asp?id=6_ (http://www.irishlandmark.com/restored.asp?id=6) Now trying to find a researcher who will do some work for me before we go and possibly some one-on-one with me while there. Can't wait! Karen Booth Researching WHYTE/WHITE in Shaneoguestown, Grange of Muckamore, County Antrim

The pubs are: Botanic Inn ("The Bot") and Eglantine Inn ("The Eg") across the street from each other on Malone. Robert Cowan recommended them along with the Avenue Guest House. You have to understand that my brother went with me on this trip to Ireland (my third) so that while I was researching genealogy he could research pubs. I walked back from PRONI on Malone and enjoyed looking at lots of beautiful houses. My brother had dropped me off there in the morning. I was going to take the bus back but decided it was a nice day and I needed the exercise - a decision I began to regret as the walk was longer than I anticipated! Sara > From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> > Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 3:54:55 PM America/Phoenix > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Re: Accommodations in Belfast > > > Hi Sara, > > Okay, now you have to give us the names of the two pubs!! I did find > one near Queens that had nice Irish music, but where's the other?? > > The walk to PRONI is definitely too much. The parking spaces > at PRONI, though, are few. The bus works just fine. The bus also drops > you downtown at the Linen Hall Library. > > I also once walked from downtown up to Eglantine. Long walk > but more scenic than the walk from PRONI to Eglantine. > > There is a lot of local history at the Queens Bookstore too. Some you > cannot get anywhere outside of Northern Ireland. > Nice second hand store just down the block too as I recall. > > Linda Merle > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:57 -0700 > >> Karen, >> I would second the recommendation of the Avenue Guest House. Thanks to >> recommendations from Linda and also Robert Cowan, my brother and I >> stayed there 3 years ago this May. In addition to what Linda described >> you are also within walking distance of 2 of the best pubs in Belfast! >> As to walking to PRONI, I did walk back to the guest house from there >> but it was a very long walk (although highly enjoyable). >> >> Sara >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > >

The following was passed on to me from a couple different lists that I am on. If this happens, I can see all of the good work that the likes of Rootsweb.com going away. Thanks for listening to my 2 bits worth. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == L-Soft has joined the growing number of companies that protest against AOL's recent announcement that it will phase out its Enhanced Whitelist service in June in favour of Goodmail CertifiedEmail, which carries an as yet unspecified per-message fee. In a nutshell, companies like L-Soft get on the AOL whitelist by following good e-mail practices, such as cleaning up dead addresses, making it easy for people to leave mailing lists, and of course not sending any spam. This is all going to be thrown out the window and replaced with the payment of hard currency to Goodmail. People who can afford to pay this fee will have the privilege of reaching AOL subscribers, others will end up in junk folders. Yahoo is expected to follow down the same path. I have nothing against certification as an additional tool in the fight against spam. Knowing that message such and such genuinely comes from its purported sender can help improve the accuracy of your spam filter. I also understand that certification costs money, unless sponsored by the government or by volunteers donating their time to the cause. But I think per-message certification fees make as much sense as per-click SSL certificate fees. I also find that the "rumoured" rates that have been mentioned in some of the press articles are totally out of proportion with the service being provided. The fee is several times what providers currently charge for the service of hosting the mailing list, removing dead addresses, making backups, etc. As an illustration, a typical hobby list would cost on the order of $500-1000 a year. An active list could cost $10k or more a year. This may not be much for the advertisement manager of a large company, not when compared to print adverts, but what about the rest of us? I know L-Soft hosting customers cannot afford the price increase that would be necessary to cover an identification fee of five figures PER DAY. And for many of us, this identification fee is not even an option. To be eligible for Goodmail accreditation, you must "have business headquarters located in the United States or Canada." Foreigners need not bother. You must also "have at least a 6 month mailing history from [the] IP" address from which you are sending your newsletter. This of course makes it very difficult to switch ISPs if you are not satisfied with the one you are using. A new ISP means a new IP address, and Goodmail will then shut you down for "at least 6 months." A nice 'protection' plan for the ISP, but a disaster for customers. Anyway, here is a link to our full press release, which has been sent to major publications today. And I want to salute the courage of the executives at hosting-only companies that have spoken up and protested, knowing full well that they would go out of business in a matter of months were their access to AOL and Yahoo mailboxes to be cut off in retaliation. In the post-Enron era, this kind of corporate courage is very rare indeed. I stand on much firmer ground, as hosting is only a side activity at L-Soft, but I can still imagine what must have gone through their mind before they hit the send button. http://www.lsoft.com/news/aol-goodmail.asp

Can anyone tell me where in North Carolina Daniel and Thomas Carlin kept a store c. 1780?Was it in Charlotte or Mecklenburg County? I'd be interested in any reference to these Carlins in North Carolina records. Hugh Rogan and his sister's husband Daniel Carlin (Carlen) sailed from Londonderry to Philadelphia in 1775. According to a letter from Joseph Brown to Lyman Draper in 1845, they had decided to "bring a few goods to America" to sell (as peddlers?) and "by that means would see all the country and if they did like the country they would procure a place and then return to Ireland" to bring their families over. According to the same source, Rogan moved south and finally settled in The Hornet's Nest in (Charlotte/Mecklenburg County?) North Carolina, where he worked as a weaver for three years. Daniel Carlin also came to North Carolina, but to a different settlement (?), by 1779. According to an anonymous statement by a Rogan descendant c. 1885, Daniel Carlin conducted a store at The Hornet's Nest in partnership with his brother Thomas Carlin, the father of Governor Thomas Carlin of Illinois. Hugh Rogan may have been a partner, too. If this is correct, Thomas Carlin had emigrated earlier. Thomas Carlin (1743-1804) is said to have married Elizabeth Evans at Halifax, Virginia in 1768. This may not be correct as all of Thomas Carlin's children: Thomas, Unity, James, Mary, Hugh, and Hannah were born in 1788-1796. The future governor Thomas Carlin (1789-1852) was born in Shelbyville KY and the family moved c. 1803 to Madison County, Missouri, where Thomas, Sr. died. William Hall, another contemporary, wrote that Rogan left his home in Sumner County, TN and stayed with Daniel Carlin at his NC home in 1784-85. Carlin convinced him not to return to Ireland for his wife and his child, as, he said, she had remarried, believing him dead. It took him until 1796 to learn that she was waiting for him and then to bring her and their son to Tennessee. All the best, Richard MacMaster

We have stayed at the Holiday Inn Express on University Ave, convenient to PRONI. That is, as long as you are not on a diet - their Irish breakfast is to die for!!!

Hi Sara, Okay, now you have to give us the names of the two pubs!! I did find one near Queens that had nice Irish music, but where's the other?? Also not to be missed is the American Restaurant that used to be on Lisburn Ave. I had to try it out. Sure 'nuff, served hamburgers. Also lasagna with a side of potatoes! But I didn't care as it also had Irish coffee! The walk to PRONI is definitely too much. The parking spaces at PRONI, though, are few. The bus works just fine. The bus also drops you downtown at the Linen Hall Library. I also once walked from downtown up to Eglantine. Long walk but more scenic than the walk from PRONI to Eglantine. There is a lot of local history at the Queens Bookstore too. Some you cannot get anywhere outside of Northern Ireland. Nice second hand store just down the block too as I recall. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:57 -0700 >Karen, >I would second the recommendation of the Avenue Guest House. Thanks to >recommendations from Linda and also Robert Cowan, my brother and I >stayed there 3 years ago this May. In addition to what Linda described >you are also within walking distance of 2 of the best pubs in Belfast! >As to walking to PRONI, I did walk back to the guest house from there >but it was a very long walk (although highly enjoyable). > >Sara > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I am looking for information about Robert HOBSON s/o William and Mary Ann HOBSON of county Armagh, Ireland. He immigrated to Perth County, Ontario, Canada. He was born somewhere between 1815-1817 and died 1910 Perth County, Ontario, Canada. He married Elizabeth in Canada and they had 12 children. I am trying to find if he has any relationship to Francis HOBSON I, II, III also of county Armagh. Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

Karen, I would second the recommendation of the Avenue Guest House. Thanks to recommendations from Linda and also Robert Cowan, my brother and I stayed there 3 years ago this May. In addition to what Linda described you are also within walking distance of 2 of the best pubs in Belfast! As to walking to PRONI, I did walk back to the guest house from there but it was a very long walk (although highly enjoyable). Sara

Dear Listers Can anyone direct me to an authoritative account of Davy Crockett's genealogy (i.e. one done by a genealogist)? I've read statements over the years that his forebears (parents or grandparents) came from County Tyrone, but have read elsewhere that they came directly from Scotland. I've never reference to the actual documents used to substantiate these accounts. If possible, I would like to have names of Crockett's immigrant ancestors, their home village, and the date of immigration. I am helping design a program that needs to cite this information if possible. Thanks for any assistance. Michael Montgomery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi listers and Linda, My husband and I are going to Northern Ireland from April 18-27 and are trying to find accommodations (reasonable) in Belfast, preferably close to PRONI. Anyone have any recommendations? Thanks ... Karen Booth Researching WHITE/WHYTE from Shaneougestown, Grange of Muckamore, Antrim

Hi Karen, I stay at the Avenue Guest House on Eglantine. It's a block from Lisburn, where you can take a bus or walk to PRONI. It's by Queens so there are lots of eateries, ATMs, bookstores, and people walking all over. Busses as well. The rooms all have private baths, which Americans like. Stephen, the owner, is a very nice man and very helpful. You can find info on it and others here: http://www.healthycitiesbelfast2003.com/belfastbandb.asp I've stayed at the Mariner too. Cheaper but the baths are in the hallways. Very nice if you don't mind that. Clean and all that. You can email Stephen from that webpage. The eatery at the corner is very nice after a long day. There's an upscale restaurant in a hotel on the street too. Plus good Indian takeout within a block on Lisburn. Or so it was the last time I was there. There isn't anything 'right' at PRONI unless things have changed. Linda ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: TransCong@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:24:05 EST >Hi listers and Linda, > >My husband and I are going to Northern Ireland from April 18-27 and are >trying to find accommodations (reasonable) in Belfast, preferably close to PRONI. >Anyone have any recommendations? > >Thanks ... Karen Booth > >Researching WHITE/WHYTE from Shaneougestown, Grange of Muckamore, Antrim > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Mark, Here's a couple suggestions for doing free US research. The first thing I'd check is the Social Security Death Index. Not everyone is in it (and only those who are dead! LOTS of jokes about people complaining they aren't in it <grin>). It's free on line at a number of places. One is our host, rootsweb (www.rootsweb.com). You can find it to the left of the'front page' or .... SPLAT! http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ go here. Click on "Advanced Search" and type in what you know. You probably know her last name was BLACK unless she remarried or entered the witness protection program or took another one just to confuse us. You know she died in March but not what year. You figure she used Lillian as a first name. She was last known to be in Tennessee, so maybe that's a good place to start -- lets assume she died there. I did that and got nothing. I removed TN, looking for a Lillian Black who died on any day in March. ZILCH. I then tried the last name of Palmer. ZILCH again. What does this mean? It means that something in the oral history is probably wrong. It usually is. Something's wrong -- maybe LIllian Black is still alive or she remarried, etc, etc.... SOmething is always wrong, so it's not surprising. You can often find free resources in the USA using www.usgenweb.com . It has a webpage for every state and county. Check the archives to see if obits, etc, are posted on line. Your friend can post a search for her at rootsweb at the Rootsweb surname list: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ I then checked the 1930 census at www.ancestry.com . No Lillian Palmer born in Ireland. No Lillian Black, no Lillian Doonan. So she probably wasn't here in 1930. Your friend needs to hoof it down to the local vital records office there in Belfast and get her birth certificate. Once he knows her age and date of birth, that might help locate her in the SSI (search for everyone b. on that day). The other thing is who knows what they listed as their country of origin? "Ireland"? UK? .... I checked and plenty said they were born in the Northern Ireland and people did use it. I looked for a James Palmer b. in Northern Ireland and found one but he has the wrong wife: James Palmer Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Birthplace: Northern Ireland Relation to head-of-house: Head Spouse's Name: Minnie Palmer Race: White Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois Lots of people gave Ulster as a place of birth. No James Palmers however. You'll need her date of birth to find her in the SSI. Once you find her there, you can print out a letter that'll order (with a small fee) her application. The SSI application gives all kinds of personal info and will prove its her or not. You will know the place of death when you find her in the index. You can look for a obit in the paper that will name and possibly give the location of survivers. He might find Randy by googling. You can often get phone numbers, etc, as well as by leaving messages on various INternet boards, esp. any on Northern Ireland -- places that Randy or a descendent might think to check if they only knew the family was from NI. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: MARK THOMPSON <wmthompson@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:08:51 +0000 (GMT) >Hello all, >I'm trying to track down some info for a friend - >Arthur Donnan - in County Down: > >Lillian Donnan emigrated from Portavogie, Co Down, >with her aunt and uncle Agnes and James Palmer, in the >1930s or 1940s. Lillian changed her surname to Palmer >and started work in Feb 1941 for a company called >Genesco. > >She married an American, Newton Parker Black (address >was 3506 Pleasant Valley, Nashville TN37204). They had >no children. but we know of a nephew - Randy Black - >who is said to live in Miami. > >Lillian's last contact with her family in Ulster was >late 80s / early 90s; she died on March 18th (year >unspecified) and is buried in a Nashville cemetery. > >Any help appreciated. > >Regards, >Mark > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hello all, I'm trying to track down some info for a friend - Arthur Donnan - in County Down: Lillian Donnan emigrated from Portavogie, Co Down, with her aunt and uncle Agnes and James Palmer, in the 1930s or 1940s. Lillian changed her surname to Palmer and started work in Feb 1941 for a company called Genesco. She married an American, Newton Parker Black (address was 3506 Pleasant Valley, Nashville TN37204). They had no children. but we know of a nephew - Randy Black - who is said to live in Miami. Lillian's last contact with her family in Ulster was late 80s / early 90s; she died on March 18th (year unspecified) and is buried in a Nashville cemetery. Any help appreciated. Regards, Mark

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