On 08 Feb, 2006, at 20:10, Linda Merle wrote: > This is a common paranoia. They all state their policies. > www.genealogy.com's is at "Terms of Service" at the bottom. If you > have insomnia, this is the webpage to cure it! > > http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html In fact the opposite is true here. By posting to any MyFamily.com site, you grant MyFamily.com the rights to all materials you post on their site, for any use they desire, with no further consideration. Also, the only important information in this agreement is in the first paragraph: "Your use is subject to the following Terms of Service (the "Agreement"), which may be updated by us from time to time. MyFamily.com, Inc. reserves the right to alter this Agreement without advance notice by posting a revised Agreement." What this means is that anything contained in the document further down is worth only as much as the electrons required to transmit it. The company can change it at any time without any notice other than posting a new copy on-line. It is solely up to the "user" to discover that these terms have been changed. Later on the ToS document reads: "B. You represent and warrant that (i) all content and information included in your Submission(s) is truthful and accurate; and (ii) if you post information relating to any living person in a Submission, you have obtained all appropriate permissions to post such information on the Sites and to allow us to use such information in accordance with this Agreement. We will not be subject to any obligation of confidentiality, attribution, or otherwise with respect to Submissions, other than as expressly set forth in our Privacy Policy, and will not be liable for any use or disclosures of any Submissions, or any content contained therein. You release MyFamily.com, Inc. and its Affiliated Companies from any and all claims or liability (now known or hereafter arising) in connection with any Submission made by you, and agree to indemnify fully MyFamily.com, Inc. and its Affiliated Companies in connection therewith. This section shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement." And " D. You acknowledge and agree that you shall receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for any Submission and that Submissions that are input, uploaded, or posted by you to the Sites may become part of a database that is owned exclusively by MyFamily.com, Inc., and that may be reproduced by MyFamily.com, Inc. in any format, in whole or in part, including without limitation in an electronic storage format, such as CD-ROM or DVD or an online subscription, for distribution, sale, or any other purpose, throughout the world." Then, if you wander over to their "Privacy Statement" http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/privacy.html we find: Home Pages, Family Trees, Virtual Cemetery and the World Family Tree ...Once you contribute content to the World Family Tree, however, you may not edit or remove such content. All or part of such content that you submit, post or upload, including your home page, family tree, and submission to Virtual Cemetery, may become part of an online archive that other users of the Services can see and search. Such content, and content that you contribute to the World Family Tree, may also become part of a database that may be reproduced by Genealogy.com in any format, in whole or in part, including without limitation in an electronic storage format, such as CD-ROM or DVD or an online subscription, for distribution, sale, or any other purpose. BY POSTING SUCH CONTENT, YOU EXPRESSLY CONSENT TO THE FOREGOING USES OF SUCH CONTENT BY GENEALOGY.COM. " T.T.F.N. William H. Magill magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com

Hi Adrian, You do own your opinion below ... (still!), at least on Rootsweb!! However we should probably stop this thread as it is off topic and no doubt boring a lot of people. For myself, when a copyright issue comes up, I consult the experts. I do not ask for opinions on a list except for maybe Freelawyers-l!!! (Where IS that list??). Luckily my customer is a lawyer so we have been able to figure out what WE are doing without spending money. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: maggie and adrian <tuathadedaan@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:48:18 +1300 >Hi Linda and others, > >I understand that a fact cannot be copyrighted. That is, "John Doe was >born in England on 21 January 1878". But if that fact is embellished >with additional information collected from another source such as one's >own research, then copyright may become an issue. For example if one was >to follow on from that statement of fact with a statement such as - "I >had the pleasure of meeting John just before his passing and have >recorded the following story of his exploits during the Boer War" ---- >then that research is copyrighted and deemed to be yours. But similarly >the fact of his passing away on 6 June 1953 and was buried 3 day's later >is a fact, cannot be copyright notwithstanding you may have spent the >weeks grocery money establishing that fact. And, if for example his >death required a coronial hearing and you write up the details, rather >than merely ad-lib them and perhaps record your own opinion, you own the >copyright. That is the situation as I understand it to be ( and I guess >I own the copyright for writing this opinion !) > >Best to all, >Adrian Verry > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 8/02/2006 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

yes, Adrian... it is all yours !!!! (smile) Mill *************************************************** Ryan's Book Store http://www.geocities.com/zinnam/ryan.html ****************************************************

Thanks, Joyce. You are right they have the book but the site fails when attempting to check out. I guess I'll keep trying. Guess I'll keep trying. Bettye

Hi Linda. Thanks for the info. But, am wondering since ancestry owns gen.com and gen.com has World Family Tree which they "may" or "may not" put on CDs to sell, who owns the copyright when you upload to gen.com FTM? Thanks. Elaine Suhre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource > Hi Billy, thanks for your kind comments. Here's Ancestry's > statement, very different: > http://www.myfamilyinc.com/default.aspx?html=copyright > > It says: > Content which has been contributed to public areas of the MyFamily.com, > Inc. sites by users remain the property of the submitter or the original > creator and we are a licensed distributor of such content. Occasionally, a > person may feel that content submitted by a user is their property or is > covered by the copyright of someone other than the submitter. Please > remember that we are the distributor of user supplied content and the > submitter, not MyFamily.com, Inc., is the one who has violated copyright > if such a violation has occurred. However, we will respond to > substantiated claims of violation. " > > So! People uploading family trees to Ancestry's One World Tree project > retain all ownership. > > Seems a lot better to me though... I suspect that the two might, after a > 2 year court trial -- end up being the same, because Ancestry doesn't say > much about what it 'does' with your stuff. But hey, their statement is > simple at least! > > Linda Merle > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:13:41 -0000 > >>Linda, >> >>I am a regular reader of emails on your list. I have often read your views >>and comments. As a result, I have huge respect for your views. I also know >>enough about legal issues to know that I may be wrong to be concerned >>here. >>The discussion that I referred to in my first email did not, unfortunately >>result in this issue being clarified in any way. Based on that discussion >>there did seem to be a problem. Genes Reunited themselves, unusually, did >>not join in the discussion to state their case. They were completely >>silent >>on the matter. Here is the 'contentious' part of the Genes Renuited Terms >>and Conditions: >> >>"16. Intellectual Property. You acknowledge that all copyright, trade >>marks, >>and other intellectual property rights in and relating to the Genes >>Reunited >>Service (including the material which is contributed by Members) are owned >>by Genes Reunited. It is easy to copy material which appears on web-sites, >>but this does not mean it is legal. Therefore, no-one may copy, >>distribute, >>show in public or create any derivative work from the Genes Reunited >>Service, or any of the material which is found on the Genes Reunited >>Service >>unless properly licensed to do so by us. >> >>By submitting any material to the content to the Genes Reunited Service, >>you: >> >>are representing that you are fully entitled to do so; >>grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence to copy, >>modify, distribute, show in public and create derivative works from that >>material in any form, anywhere; and authorise us to adapt the relevant >>material in the course of doing so, and so waive your moral rights to >>object >>to any derogatory treatment, or to be identified as the author, of the >>material in question. " >>END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS. >> >>I do not like the content or tone of these 'Terms and Conditions'. I >>wonder, >>also, are conditions like these 'hidden' in the small print of other >>similar >>websites? >> >>There must be a wee bit of Scotch-Irish in me as I think this is an issue >>such folk would not want to ignore! My mother was a Non-Subscribing >>Presbyterian. My father is an old-fashioned (thrawn, that is) Catholic >>(Roman Catholic). >> >>Billy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >>To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource >> >> >>> Hi Billy, I seem to believe that Rootsweb's policy is you own your stuff >>(ie I own this post!) which is one way to avoid being sued for character >>defamation by irate UK citizens (harder to sue in the USA <grin>) or for >>breaking copyright laws. I'll check Ancestry. that's a good point, >>though. >>THough, according to my thick genealogy bible here, the only parts of >>one's >>published genealogy that is copywritable is any analysis you do. The stuff >>we scraped off of anonymous websites (where space aliens posted it as a >>joke) and extract from birth certificates, wills, will abstracts, bibles, >>etc -- that stuff cannot be copyrighted. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> >>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:11 -0000 >>> >>> >Linda, >>> > >>> >Before you upload your family tree to Genes Reunited, make sure you >>> >read >>> >their small print. A few weeks ago on one of my lists (I can't remember >>> >which - it might have been the Guild of One Name Studies - GOONS), >>anyway, >>> >there was a spate of emails discussing and expressing concern about the >>> >issue as to who owns the data you upload to their site. From what Genes >>> >Reunited say on their website (in their small print section - the rules >>> >etc.), it seems clear they feel they own any data you upload and can do >>what >>> >they wish with it. I use the site and am a paid up member, but I have >>only >>> >uploaded a partial family tree. >>> > >>> >It is possible that this is the case with many other similar websites >>> >too >>> >and that it is unfair to only highlight Genes Reunited. >>> > >>> > >>> >Billy. >>> > >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >>> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:35 PM >>> >Subject: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Hi folks, I get these reminder emails from various places I've >>forgotten >>> >about (so I apparently need these reminders). Today I got one from >>> >Genes >>> >Reunited, a UK/Ireland Aussie genealogy website. They want you to >>> >upgrade >>to >>> >their paid version of course. I haven't yet, but I did a free search >>> >and >>> >found a number of people looking for family in my dad's area of >>> >England. >>I'm >>> >definitely uploading my tree. Might work for some of the rest of you >>> >too! >>> >> >>> >> Linda Merle >>> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> >> From: Genes Reunited <noreply@genesreunited.co.uk> >>> >> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:09:41 -0000 >>> >> >>> >> Hello Linda, >>> >> >>> >> Today's site statistics: >>> >> 54,862,502 relations on Genes Reunited >>> >> >>> >> http://www.genesreunited.com.au >>> >> >>> >> This email is being sent to you because you have chosen the option in >>Your >>> >Details. To unsubscribe to this option, visit www.genesreunited.com and >>> >change your options in Your Details. >>> >> >>> >> If you have any questions please visit our FAQ section >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ________________________________________________________________ >>> >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________ >>> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006 > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hi Elaine, This is a common paranoia. They all state their policies. www.genealogy.com's is at "Terms of Service" at the bottom. If you have insomnia, this is the webpage to cure it! http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html It goes on and on. Says "Subject to the Genealogy.com Privacy Policy, by inputting, uploading or posting any family tree information, data, family stories, ideas, drawings, opinions, messages, eyewitness accounts, or any other information or materials, or engaging in any other form of communication (each, a "Submission") through the Sites, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc. and its Affiliated Companies a royalty free, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, transferable, worldwide license to (i) use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, archive, and display any such Submission in any medium now known or hereafter developed; (ii) exploit any proprietary rights in such Submission, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws in any relevant jurisdiction; and (iii) sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights. " .... and then: " D. You acknowledge and agree that you shall receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for any Submission and that Submissions that are input, uploaded, or posted by you to the Sites may become part of a database that is owned exclusively by MyFamily.com, Inc., and that may be reproduced by MyFamily.com, Inc. in any format, in whole or in part, including without limitation in an electronic storage format, such as CD-ROM or DVD or an online subscription, for distribution, sale, or any other purpose, throughout the world." and so on and so forth. My eyes are glazed but I do think they say there they can burnt your stuff into a CD. Not that it matters much as they also say elsewhere they will filter anything about living people. So you might meet some new cousins who bought the cds. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "E. Suhre" <braisl@madisontelco.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:01:20 -0600 >Hi Linda. Thanks for the info. But, am wondering since ancestry owns >gen.com and gen.com has World Family Tree which they "may" or "may not" put >on CDs to sell, who owns the copyright when you upload to gen.com FTM? > >Thanks. > >Elaine Suhre >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource > > >> Hi Billy, thanks for your kind comments. Here's Ancestry's >> statement, very different: >> http://www.myfamilyinc.com/default.aspx?html=copyright >> >> It says: >> Content which has been contributed to public areas of the MyFamily.com, >> Inc. sites by users remain the property of the submitter or the original >> creator and we are a licensed distributor of such content. Occasionally, a >> person may feel that content submitted by a user is their property or is >> covered by the copyright of someone other than the submitter. Please >> remember that we are the distributor of user supplied content and the >> submitter, not MyFamily.com, Inc., is the one who has violated copyright >> if such a violation has occurred. However, we will respond to >> substantiated claims of violation. " >> >> So! People uploading family trees to Ancestry's One World Tree project >> retain all ownership. >> >> Seems a lot better to me though... I suspect that the two might, after a >> 2 year court trial -- end up being the same, because Ancestry doesn't say >> much about what it 'does' with your stuff. But hey, their statement is >> simple at least! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:13:41 -0000 >> >>>Linda, >>> >>>I am a regular reader of emails on your list. I have often read your views >>>and comments. As a result, I have huge respect for your views. I also know >>>enough about legal issues to know that I may be wrong to be concerned >>>here. >>>The discussion that I referred to in my first email did not, unfortunately >>>result in this issue being clarified in any way. Based on that discussion >>>there did seem to be a problem. Genes Reunited themselves, unusually, did >>>not join in the discussion to state their case. They were completely >>>silent >>>on the matter. Here is the 'contentious' part of the Genes Renuited Terms >>>and Conditions: >>> >>>"16. Intellectual Property. You acknowledge that all copyright, trade >>>marks, >>>and other intellectual property rights in and relating to the Genes >>>Reunited >>>Service (including the material which is contributed by Members) are owned >>>by Genes Reunited. It is easy to copy material which appears on web-sites, >>>but this does not mean it is legal. Therefore, no-one may copy, >>>distribute, >>>show in public or create any derivative work from the Genes Reunited >>>Service, or any of the material which is found on the Genes Reunited >>>Service >>>unless properly licensed to do so by us. >>> >>>By submitting any material to the content to the Genes Reunited Service, >>>you: >>> >>>are representing that you are fully entitled to do so; >>>grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence to copy, >>>modify, distribute, show in public and create derivative works from that >>>material in any form, anywhere; and authorise us to adapt the relevant >>>material in the course of doing so, and so waive your moral rights to >>>object >>>to any derogatory treatment, or to be identified as the author, of the >>>material in question. " >>>END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS. >>> >>>I do not like the content or tone of these 'Terms and Conditions'. I >>>wonder, >>>also, are conditions like these 'hidden' in the small print of other >>>similar >>>websites? >>> >>>There must be a wee bit of Scotch-Irish in me as I think this is an issue >>>such folk would not want to ignore! My mother was a Non-Subscribing >>>Presbyterian. My father is an old-fashioned (thrawn, that is) Catholic >>>(Roman Catholic). >>> >>>Billy. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >>>To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:07 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource >>> >>> >>>> Hi Billy, I seem to believe that Rootsweb's policy is you own your stuff >>>(ie I own this post!) which is one way to avoid being sued for character >>>defamation by irate UK citizens (harder to sue in the USA <grin>) or for >>>breaking copyright laws. I'll check Ancestry. that's a good point, >>>though. >>>THough, according to my thick genealogy bible here, the only parts of >>>one's >>>published genealogy that is copywritable is any analysis you do. The stuff >>>we scraped off of anonymous websites (where space aliens posted it as a >>>joke) and extract from birth certificates, wills, will abstracts, bibles, >>>etc -- that stuff cannot be copyrighted. >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>> From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> >>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:11 -0000 >>>> >>>> >Linda, >>>> > >>>> >Before you upload your family tree to Genes Reunited, make sure you >>>> >read >>>> >their small print. A few weeks ago on one of my lists (I can't remember >>>> >which - it might have been the Guild of One Name Studies - GOONS), >>>anyway, >>>> >there was a spate of emails discussing and expressing concern about the >>>> >issue as to who owns the data you upload to their site. From what Genes >>>> >Reunited say on their website (in their small print section - the rules >>>> >etc.), it seems clear they feel they own any data you upload and can do >>>what >>>> >they wish with it. I use the site and am a paid up member, but I have >>>only >>>> >uploaded a partial family tree. >>>> > >>>> >It is possible that this is the case with many other similar websites >>>> >too >>>> >and that it is unfair to only highlight Genes Reunited. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Billy. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >>>> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:35 PM >>>> >Subject: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi folks, I get these reminder emails from various places I've >>>forgotten >>>> >about (so I apparently need these reminders). Today I got one from >>>> >Genes >>>> >Reunited, a UK/Ireland Aussie genealogy website. They want you to >>>> >upgrade >>>to >>>> >their paid version of course. I haven't yet, but I did a free search >>>> >and >>>> >found a number of people looking for family in my dad's area of >>>> >England. >>>I'm >>>> >definitely uploading my tree. Might work for some of the rest of you >>>> >too! >>>> >> >>>> >> Linda Merle >>>> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>> >> From: Genes Reunited <noreply@genesreunited.co.uk> >>>> >> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:09:41 -0000 >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello Linda, >>>> >> >>>> >> Today's site statistics: >>>> >> 54,862,502 relations on Genes Reunited >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.genesreunited.com.au >>>> >> >>>> >> This email is being sent to you because you have chosen the option in >>>Your >>>> >Details. To unsubscribe to this option, visit www.genesreunited.com and >>>> >change your options in Your Details. >>>> >> >>>> >> If you have any questions please visit our FAQ section >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ________________________________________________________________ >>>> >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________ >>>> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006 >> >> > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Billy, thanks for your kind comments. Here's Ancestry's statement, very different: http://www.myfamilyinc.com/default.aspx?html=copyright It says: Content which has been contributed to public areas of the MyFamily.com, Inc. sites by users remain the property of the submitter or the original creator and we are a licensed distributor of such content. Occasionally, a person may feel that content submitted by a user is their property or is covered by the copyright of someone other than the submitter. Please remember that we are the distributor of user supplied content and the submitter, not MyFamily.com, Inc., is the one who has violated copyright if such a violation has occurred. However, we will respond to substantiated claims of violation. " So! People uploading family trees to Ancestry's One World Tree project retain all ownership. Seems a lot better to me though... I suspect that the two might, after a 2 year court trial -- end up being the same, because Ancestry doesn't say much about what it 'does' with your stuff. But hey, their statement is simple at least! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:13:41 -0000 >Linda, > >I am a regular reader of emails on your list. I have often read your views >and comments. As a result, I have huge respect for your views. I also know >enough about legal issues to know that I may be wrong to be concerned here. >The discussion that I referred to in my first email did not, unfortunately >result in this issue being clarified in any way. Based on that discussion >there did seem to be a problem. Genes Reunited themselves, unusually, did >not join in the discussion to state their case. They were completely silent >on the matter. Here is the 'contentious' part of the Genes Renuited Terms >and Conditions: > >"16. Intellectual Property. You acknowledge that all copyright, trade marks, >and other intellectual property rights in and relating to the Genes Reunited >Service (including the material which is contributed by Members) are owned >by Genes Reunited. It is easy to copy material which appears on web-sites, >but this does not mean it is legal. Therefore, no-one may copy, distribute, >show in public or create any derivative work from the Genes Reunited >Service, or any of the material which is found on the Genes Reunited Service >unless properly licensed to do so by us. > >By submitting any material to the content to the Genes Reunited Service, >you: > >are representing that you are fully entitled to do so; >grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence to copy, >modify, distribute, show in public and create derivative works from that >material in any form, anywhere; and authorise us to adapt the relevant >material in the course of doing so, and so waive your moral rights to object >to any derogatory treatment, or to be identified as the author, of the >material in question. " >END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS. > >I do not like the content or tone of these 'Terms and Conditions'. I wonder, >also, are conditions like these 'hidden' in the small print of other similar >websites? > >There must be a wee bit of Scotch-Irish in me as I think this is an issue >such folk would not want to ignore! My mother was a Non-Subscribing >Presbyterian. My father is an old-fashioned (thrawn, that is) Catholic >(Roman Catholic). > >Billy. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:07 PM >Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource > > >> Hi Billy, I seem to believe that Rootsweb's policy is you own your stuff >(ie I own this post!) which is one way to avoid being sued for character >defamation by irate UK citizens (harder to sue in the USA <grin>) or for >breaking copyright laws. I'll check Ancestry. that's a good point, though. >THough, according to my thick genealogy bible here, the only parts of one's >published genealogy that is copywritable is any analysis you do. The stuff >we scraped off of anonymous websites (where space aliens posted it as a >joke) and extract from birth certificates, wills, will abstracts, bibles, >etc -- that stuff cannot be copyrighted. >> >> Linda Merle >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:11 -0000 >> >> >Linda, >> > >> >Before you upload your family tree to Genes Reunited, make sure you read >> >their small print. A few weeks ago on one of my lists (I can't remember >> >which - it might have been the Guild of One Name Studies - GOONS), >anyway, >> >there was a spate of emails discussing and expressing concern about the >> >issue as to who owns the data you upload to their site. From what Genes >> >Reunited say on their website (in their small print section - the rules >> >etc.), it seems clear they feel they own any data you upload and can do >what >> >they wish with it. I use the site and am a paid up member, but I have >only >> >uploaded a partial family tree. >> > >> >It is possible that this is the case with many other similar websites too >> >and that it is unfair to only highlight Genes Reunited. >> > >> > >> >Billy. >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:35 PM >> >Subject: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Hi folks, I get these reminder emails from various places I've >forgotten >> >about (so I apparently need these reminders). Today I got one from Genes >> >Reunited, a UK/Ireland Aussie genealogy website. They want you to upgrade >to >> >their paid version of course. I haven't yet, but I did a free search and >> >found a number of people looking for family in my dad's area of England. >I'm >> >definitely uploading my tree. Might work for some of the rest of you too! >> >> >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> >> From: Genes Reunited <noreply@genesreunited.co.uk> >> >> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:09:41 -0000 >> >> >> >> Hello Linda, >> >> >> >> Today's site statistics: >> >> 54,862,502 relations on Genes Reunited >> >> >> >> http://www.genesreunited.com.au >> >> >> >> This email is being sent to you because you have chosen the option in >Your >> >Details. To unsubscribe to this option, visit www.genesreunited.com and >> >change your options in Your Details. >> >> >> >> If you have any questions please visit our FAQ section >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Billy, I seem to believe that Rootsweb's policy is you own your stuff (ie I own this post!) which is one way to avoid being sued for character defamation by irate UK citizens (harder to sue in the USA <grin>) or for breaking copyright laws. I'll check Ancestry. that's a good point, though. THough, according to my thick genealogy bible here, the only parts of one's published genealogy that is copywritable is any analysis you do. The stuff we scraped off of anonymous websites (where space aliens posted it as a joke) and extract from birth certificates, wills, will abstracts, bibles, etc -- that stuff cannot be copyrighted. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William Stranney" <billy.stranney@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:11 -0000 >Linda, > >Before you upload your family tree to Genes Reunited, make sure you read >their small print. A few weeks ago on one of my lists (I can't remember >which - it might have been the Guild of One Name Studies - GOONS), anyway, >there was a spate of emails discussing and expressing concern about the >issue as to who owns the data you upload to their site. From what Genes >Reunited say on their website (in their small print section - the rules >etc.), it seems clear they feel they own any data you upload and can do what >they wish with it. I use the site and am a paid up member, but I have only >uploaded a partial family tree. > >It is possible that this is the case with many other similar websites too >and that it is unfair to only highlight Genes Reunited. > > >Billy. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:35 PM >Subject: [Sc-Ir] A free on line resource > > >> >> Hi folks, I get these reminder emails from various places I've forgotten >about (so I apparently need these reminders). Today I got one from Genes >Reunited, a UK/Ireland Aussie genealogy website. They want you to upgrade to >their paid version of course. I haven't yet, but I did a free search and >found a number of people looking for family in my dad's area of England. I'm >definitely uploading my tree. Might work for some of the rest of you too! >> >> Linda Merle >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Genes Reunited <noreply@genesreunited.co.uk> >> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:09:41 -0000 >> >> Hello Linda, >> >> Today's site statistics: >> 54,862,502 relations on Genes Reunited >> >> http://www.genesreunited.com.au >> >> This email is being sent to you because you have chosen the option in Your >Details. To unsubscribe to this option, visit www.genesreunited.com and >change your options in Your Details. >> >> If you have any questions please visit our FAQ section >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I have just joined this list and was wondering if this is a yearly 3 day session. My wife is a little oneway about attending this year as our daughter is getting married on 2 July. <grin> I have precious little on our Caldwells on their migration from Scotland to Ireland to US. We have reasonably good records upon their arrival in the US . Thanks in advance

Deaar Listers I would like to note that William Roulston will be one of the featured speakers this summer at the Ulster-American nHeritage Symposium in Knoxville (June 28 to July 1). He will be discussing conducting research in Scotland and Ireland and will be present the entire three days of the conference to answer questions. More details on the conference and our program of papers and activities will come very soon. Michael Montgomery > From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: new resource for Scotch Irish research > > Hi people, I ordered a copy of "Researching > Scots-Irish Ancestors. The Essential Genealogical > Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800" By William > Roulston and today it came. I've not had time to > read it but it's great! It's kind of a "Tracing your > Irish Ancestors"..... for US. Ie it is organized by > type of record. Has a general section. Covers the > personal name index at PRONI (which is filmed and in > LDS, but not of course updated to today), > IGI...under church records it covers Church of > Ireland and Presbyterian extensively as well as > Succession, Non-Subscribing, Reformed Presbyterians > and Methodists, Moravians, Quakers and the Catholic > Church. Also our buddies the Huguenots. It has a > chapter on 17th century records and > one on 18th, etc. It has an appendix with estate > collections that predate 1800 organized by county. > It was written in Ulster. It provides PRONI > reference numbers (some of PRONIs collection is > filmed and in LDS). It also has an appendix that > lists records by parish. > > I first tried to order this from amazon but it > didn't carry it. The UK amazon might....donno. I got > it from Global Genealogy, in Canada. See this link: > > http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/resources/080026.htm > > you can get it from www.ancestryireland.com and > www.booksireland.org.uk too. It was published by the > Ulster Historical Foundation with support from the > Ulster-Scots Agency. THANK YOU to both > organizations. > > If you get the book and need to access records in > PRONI, ask on this list. There are several > professionals on the list who can do work in PRONI > for you. I've worked with them myself. > > So glad to see this book written at last!! > > Linda Merle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi folks, the following is from Tom Martin who has some helpful info on his webpages. Please respond to him, not to me if you want to make contact: Tom Martin <tmartinmortgage@bellsouth.net> Very best, Linda Merle >>There is a reference under the names of James Martin & wife Jane coming >>from Larne, Ireland in 1761 on the "James & Mary". This information comes >>from http://www.rinokids.com/Genealogy/f805.html. I hope this helps you. >> >>Tom Martin ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

It is a great book! Picton Press (www.pictonpress.com ) has it for $14.99. (They just took over the NEHGS bookstore mail order operations a week or so ago, and will resume shipping tomorrow). Joyce Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:30 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: new resource for Scotch Irish research Hi people, I ordered a copy of "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors. The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800" By William Roulston and today it came. I've not had time to read it but it's great! It's kind of a "Tracing your Irish Ancestors"..... for US. Ie it is organized by type of record. Has a general section. Covers the personal name index at PRONI (which is filmed and in LDS, but not of course updated to today), IGI...under church records it covers Church of Ireland and Presbyterian extensively as well as Succession, Non-Subscribing, Reformed Presbyterians and Methodists, Moravians, Quakers and the Catholic Church. Also our buddies the Huguenots. It has a chapter on 17th century records and one on 18th, etc. It has an appendix with estate collections that predate 1800 organized by county. It was written in Ulster. It provides PRONI reference numbers (some of PRONIs collection is filmed and in LDS). It also has an appendix that lists records by parish. I first tried to order this from amazon but it didn't carry it. The UK amazon might....donno. I got it from Global Genealogy, in Canada. See this link: http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/resources/080026.htm you can get it from www.ancestryireland.com and www.booksireland.org.uk too. It was published by the Ulster Historical Foundation with support from the Ulster-Scots Agency. THANK YOU to both organizations. If you get the book and need to access records in PRONI, ask on this list. There are several professionals on the list who can do work in PRONI for you. I've worked with them myself. So glad to see this book written at last!! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net ______________________________

Hi List! I am not embroiled on a quest to search out other Armagh HOBSONs other then my own Francis I, II, III, and Joseph. Specificaly I am researching Robert HOBSON b. 1815 s/o William HOBSON both of County Armagh. Robert immigrated to Perth Co., Ontario, Canada, as did some other Armagh HOBSONs. Does any body know if all of these HOBSONs are somehow related to each other, if so where can I locate some sources? Thank you in advance for your help. Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

Another good website for out of print and new books is www.abesbooks.com Linda A

Hi folks, Global Genealogy has many free articles written by recognised experts that are great. Here's a URL to a webpage full of articles. http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/globalgazette.htm Here's one directly to an article that discusses in huge detail researching in Northern Ireland: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazkb/gazkb60.htm ANother article includes lists of known soldiers of Cromwell who settled in Ireland: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/List001/list41.htm Also Rick Robert's article on Irish convicts sent to Australia: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazed/gazed77c.htm Especially germane is Betit's article on what does it mean to be Irish: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazkb/gazkb53.htm Enjoy! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Several hundred names have been added to the Births and Christenings for Warrenpoint and Rostrevor, on my website, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1562 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Hi folks, I get these reminder emails from various places I've forgotten about (so I apparently need these reminders). Today I got one from Genes Reunited, a UK/Ireland Aussie genealogy website. They want you to upgrade to their paid version of course. I haven't yet, but I did a free search and found a number of people looking for family in my dad's area of England. I'm definitely uploading my tree. Might work for some of the rest of you too! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Genes Reunited <noreply@genesreunited.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:09:41 -0000 Hello Linda, Today’s site statistics: 54,862,502 relations on Genes Reunited http://www.genesreunited.com.au This email is being sent to you because you have chosen the option in Your Details. To unsubscribe to this option, visit www.genesreunited.com and change your options in Your Details. If you have any questions please visit our FAQ section ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi people, I ordered a copy of "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors. The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800" By William Roulston and today it came. I've not had time to read it but it's great! It's kind of a "Tracing your Irish Ancestors"..... for US. Ie it is organized by type of record. Has a general section. Covers the personal name index at PRONI (which is filmed and in LDS, but not of course updated to today), IGI...under church records it covers Church of Ireland and Presbyterian extensively as well as Succession, Non-Subscribing, Reformed Presbyterians and Methodists, Moravians, Quakers and the Catholic Church. Also our buddies the Huguenots. It has a chapter on 17th century records and one on 18th, etc. It has an appendix with estate collections that predate 1800 organized by county. It was written in Ulster. It provides PRONI reference numbers (some of PRONIs collection is filmed and in LDS). It also has an appendix that lists records by parish. I first tried to order this from amazon but it didn't carry it. The UK amazon might....donno. I got it from Global Genealogy, in Canada. See this link: http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/resources/080026.htm you can get it from www.ancestryireland.com and www.booksireland.org.uk too. It was published by the Ulster Historical Foundation with support from the Ulster-Scots Agency. THANK YOU to both organizations. If you get the book and need to access records in PRONI, ask on this list. There are several professionals on the list who can do work in PRONI for you. I've worked with them myself. So glad to see this book written at last!! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi folks, There's a couple types of bookstores. Some sell new books, current books, ie books in print. Like Borders! Some are 'second hand' bookstores, antiquarian bookstores that focus on books that are not in print. Some are specialized in specific areas, like Books Ulster, that is an antiquarian bookstore in County Down. You can sign up for a free eletter that tells you about their newest acquisitions. Besides books they sell original documents like the deed of your ancestor from 1650. They have an on line catalog that lets you search through these items to see if indeed they got the original deed of your ancestor (yet!). Here's some of what they got this week. I've deleted some stuff that is off topic, too political and probably not of interest to us as it is too LOOooonnng for our attention spans otherwise <grin>. Scroll to the bottom for the website and contact info. If the publication date is recent and you don't live in the UK, you might check www.amazon.com, etc, for a local copy to avoid paying postage from the UK. Also, people wanting to share stuff like this on lists are requested by Rootsweb to check it out with the list admin first to make sure it's on topic and desired on the list. this one is okay as the traffic is low. But if we were getting 20 posts a day I'd not send it out as we'd be in a state of fatigue already. Me, I get all the 'bounces' for every email sent out, which is usually 7 or more, so if you ever wonder what I am doing...it's deleting bounced emails! Linda Merle Scotch Irish Admin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: orders@booksulster.com Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:31:30 -0500 Below are listed the most recent book acquisitions. Prices are in Pounds Sterling. Please note that the complete text of `Irish Druids and Old Irish Religions'(1894) by James Bonwick is now available to read free online in our library www.libraryireland.com The library also includes the complete text of Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, as well as many articles from 19th century periodicals 19691 HOWLETT, D. R. (Translated by). The Book of Letters of Saint Patrick The Bishop (Liber Epistolarum Sancti Patricii Episcopi). Dublin: Four Courts Press, no date. 135pp. Paperback. [The Latin text with an English translation]. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=19691 357 SWAN, Harry Percival. Highlights of the Donegal Highlands. Belfast: Carter, 1955. xv, 186pp. Illustrated. Endpaper maps. Hardback. 20.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=357 4033 CONNOLLY, Philomena. Irish Exchequer Payments 1270-1446. 2 volumes. Dublin: Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1998. Paperbacks. [Dublin Government's expenditure and activities, nature and extent of Gaelic resistance, impact of the Bruce invasion, increased English military involvement in Ireland after 1361 etc., etc.]. 40.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=4033 4671 LEASK, Harold G. Irish Churches and Monastic Buildings, Vol.II: Gothic Architecture to A.D. 1400. Dundalk: Dundalgan, 1990 (reprint). 162pp. Illustrated. Hardback. 15.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=4671 27185 CLARKE, R.S.J. (Editor). Old Families of Larne and District. Belfast: Ulster Historical Foundation, 2004. 222pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27185 27208 HIGGINS, Michael A. et al. The Winding Roe, Issue 4, Christmas 2005. Dungiven: Winding Roe Committee, 2005. 40pp. Illustrated. Wrappers. 2.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27208 27209 BIRRELL, Derek & HAYES, Amanda. The Local Government System in Northern Ireland. Dublin: Institute of Public Administration, 1999. 167pp. Paperback. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27209 27224 DUFFY, Sean (Editor). Medieval Dublin V: Proceedings of the Friends of Medieval Dublin Symposium, 2003. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2004. 301pp. Illustrated. Hardback. 15.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27224 27227 BARNARD, Toby. A New Anatomy of Ireland: The Irish Protestants, 1649-1770. Yale University Press, 2004. xvi, 489pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27227 27240 ROBINSON, Tim. Setting Foot on the Shores of Connemara and Other Writings. Dublin: Lilliput Press, 1996. 217pp. Paperback. "In these fourteen related works we witness a great writer, artist and cartographer united with his subject, conveying the vivid experiences of a quarter-century of exploring and mapping the Aran Islands, the Burren and Connemara". 4.50 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27240 27244 TREMAYNE, Peter. Irish Masters of Fantasy. Dublin: Wolfhound Press, 1979. 220pp. Illustrated. Hardback. Charles Robert Maturin and `Melmoth the Wanderer', Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu and `The Familiar', Fitz-James O'Brien and `The Wondersmith', Bram Stoker and `The Burial of the Rats', M. P. Shiel and `Xelucha', Lord Dunsany and `The Ghost of the Valley' and `Autumn Cricket'. 6.50 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27244 27251 WOODING, Jonathan M. (Editor). The Otherworld Voyage in Early Irish Literature: An Anthology of Criticism. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2000. xxviii, 290pp. Hardback. 25.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27251 27267 EDEL, Doris (Editor). Cultural Identity and Cultural Integration: Ireland and Europe in the Early Middle Ages. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 1995. 208pp. Hardback. 20.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27267 27268 HANLEY, Brian. A Guide to Irish Military Heritage. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2004. 118pp. Illustrated. Hardback. [Maynooth Research Guides for Irish Local History, Number 7]. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27268 27269 McCOURT, John. The Years of Bloom: James Joyce in Trieste, 1904-1920. Dublin: Lilliput, 2001. xiii, 306pp. Illustrated. Hardback. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27269 27272 MONTAG, Warren. The Unthinkable Swift: The Spontaneous Philosophy of a Church of England Man. London: Verso, 1994. viii, 174pp. Paperback. 3.50 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27272 27275 GRINDLE, W. H. Irish Cathedral Music: A History of Music at the Cathedrals of the Church of Ireland. Belfast: Institute of Irish Studies, 1989. xiv, 261pp. Illustrated. Hardback. 16.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27275 27278 LENIHAN, Padraig. 1690: Battle of the Boyne. Stroud: Tempus Publishing, 2005. 239pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27278 27281 SMYTH, Damian. The Down Recorder. Belfast: Lagan Press, 2004. xiv, 170pp. Illustrated. Paperback. A poem in 7 chapters, based on stories from the County Down newspaper of the same name, with bits of reportage embedded in the poetry. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27281 27284 TWOMEY, Brendan. Smithfield and the Parish of St. Paul, Dublin, 1698-1750. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2005. 64pp. Illustrated. Paperback. Maynooth Studies in Local History, No.63. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27284 27285 PURDUE, Olwen. The MacGeough Bonds of The Argory: An Ulster Gentry Family, 1880-1950. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2005. 55pp. Illustrated. Paperback. Maynooth Studies in Local History; No.62. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27285 27286 BAILIE, W. D. & KIRKPATRICK, L. S. (Editors). Fasti of Seceder Ministers Ordained or Installed in Ireland, 1746-1948. Belfast: Presbyterian Historical Society, 2005. 100pp. Paperback. 4.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27286 27287 MAGUIRE, Dermot. Drumlone at the Crossroads: A Country Area in Co. Fermanagh, History and Heritage. Newtownbutler: Maguire, 2005. 264pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27287 27288 MAGINN, Christopher. `Civilizing' Gaelic Leinster: The Extension of Tudor Rule in the O'Byrne and O'Toole Lordships. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2005. x, 223pp. Hardback. 25.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27288 27290 KELLY, Liam. Kiltubrid, County Leitrim: Snapshots of a Rural Parish in the 1890s. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2005. 64pp. Illustrated. Paperback. Maynooth Studies in Local History, No.60. 5.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27290 27293 GEARY, Laurence M. Medicine and Charity in Ireland, 1718-1851. Dublin: University College Dublin Press, 2004. xiii, 241pp. Hardback. 12.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27293 27294 DEVITT, Dermot. A Look Back at Lough Eske (The Western Shore: A Chronological Miscellany). Donegal: Lough Eske Community Development Association, 2004. 364pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 10.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27294 27298 O LORCAIN, Daithi (David Austin Larkin). Irish Septs and Clans: A Directory of Surnames. Queensland: Larkin, 2005. 154pp. Large format Paperback. Appears to be a review copy sent to an Irish book magazine. 12.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27298 27299 MADDEN, Gerard. History of the O'Maddens of Hy-Many. Tuamgraney: Madden, 2004. xv, 205pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 12.00 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=27299 26765 McMAHON, Sean. A History of County Derry. Dublin: Gill & Macmillan, 2004. 152pp. Illustrated. Paperback. 7.50 http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?pid=26765 http://www.booksulster.com Books Ulster 12 Bayview Road Bangor County Down Northern Ireland BT19 6AL United Kingdom Telephone: (UK) 02891 470310 (INT.) +44 2891 470310 Email: orders@booksulster.com ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

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