I've do a Google search for the PBS channel for Houston and also for the one coming out of Tyler, Texas when I want to know when a program is showing or if they are even showing it. You should be able to find out by checking your local PBS channel's calendard online. Ludie

Does anybody know if there were any census in County Armagh before 1835? Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

Carolyn Hughes nanunanu@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Carolyn Hughes <nanunanu@earthlink.net> > To: ACMBJC@aol.com <ACMBJC@aol.com> > Date: 2/20/2006 7:05:44 PM > Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Subject: History Alert > > Sorry Marybeth, > All of these are just examples of good things I have already viewed on PBS. Sometimes they are repeated. I suggest you e-mail your local PBS channels and ask if and when they will be repeated. I did this many times for ON EAGLES WING and finally got to see it. By e mailing them we let them know that these shows are appreciated and have an audience. This is why I ask list members to alert us when they know of an upcoming show. They are too good to miss. I also recommend DIGGING UP THE PAST on the History Channel. Last week they had a great program on Eric and Leif Ericson. > I am researching Western Pennsylvania too: MILLS, BARNETT, SLOAN, COLLNER ,FRY,ROAN,CROSBY,CLARK,HARCLERODE,DAWSON,HUGHES and others > Carolyn. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <ACMBJC@aol.com> > > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 2/20/2006 6:21:09 PM > > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Subject: History Alert > > > > Does anyone on the list know if or when the following is to be aired? I sure > > hope it appears again, since most of my family history evolved from western > > PA. > > > > TIA. > > > > Marybeth C. > > acmbjc@aol.com > > > > ============================================================= > > In a message dated 2/19/06 12:26:06 AM, Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com > > writes: > > > > << Subject: History Alert > > > > That PBS show on cemeteries of Allegheny County was great as was the one on > > the French and Indian War THE WAR THAT MADE AMERICA also WHEN THE FOREST > > RAN RED. Let's send an alert to the list when we know something good is > > scheduled for broadcast on PBS or the History Channel > > Carolyn > > >>

I am researching into my 2nd great grandmother Sarah Elizabeth Symington (maiden name) Stephens (married name). birthdate 1830, died 1890 in St. Louis, MO. Her birthplace indicated on her tombstone is Craigmoor, Ireland. I have looked up the name Craigmoor under numerous websites of towns, parishes, baronies and counties and can find nothing similar. She married in Iowa to a Charles Stephens born in Reading, PA, but I do not know when she came over from Ireland. I can only assume she (and possibly her family?) came to Pennsylvania where she met her future husband. The 1880 U.S. federal census record indicates both her parents were born in Ireland and that is as far as I have been able to go. Any suggestions for future research? Missy Warren

If you folks would put your name or topic of interest in the subject line you will get more help and information. I, like most people just never open items with no subject material Just thought this might help. Jerry

I am researching Robert McKee b.1738, Ireland, died 1800 Hampshire Co., Virginia and his wife Elizabeth Ferguson b.bet 1740-1745, Ireland, died 1790 Hampshire Co., Virginia. They emigrated during the 1760's. They had three children in Ireland, three more in Peters Township, Pennsylvania and the last three in Hampshire Co.,Virginia. Another researcher believes the family lived in Cookstown, Tyrone, NI because there is a Robert McKee listed on the Religious Census of 1766. I have seen a pedigree on-line stating this family originated in the parish of Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright, Scotland, then Crosby, Wigtownshire, Scotland, then Coleraine, Londonderry, NI. How can I verify this information is true? Diane Klopp

I am researching James Kelso b.1780 d.1854, settled in Hampshire County, Virginia (now West Virginia). His first wife was Nancy McVicker (1782-1815) and his second wife was Anna Hite (1797-1858). The descendants of this family has been published in the "Harloe-Kelso Genealogy". I am trying to find out more about the Kelso family before they left County Donegal, Ireland which was about 1800. I have some possible leads, but not sure how to proceed. I know two Kelso families emigrated to Ireland from Scotland with Hugh Montgomery. The first family, from the parish of Donaghadee, emigrated in 1603 and the second was Thomas Kelso from the parish of Holywood who emigrated in 1617. Thomas Kelso, of Ballyhacamore, was granted denization (citizenship) in 1617. I also have a transcript of a 1840 letter from Rev. Joseph Kelso ,of Lisburn, to his brother James Kelso, Hampshire Co., Virginia. Magheragall is written at the top of the letter. Can someone point me in the right direction? I have no idea what to do now. Diane Klopp

Hi Sarah, >Does anyone HAVE information about EARLY PA >military list. Do you know how to get a correct answer for this question? Invest in a reference book. If you are a member of ancestry, you got theirs, assuming you can figure out how to find and use them on line (I can't!!). A hard copy really helps. "The Source" is probably the best guidebook to American genealogy. It includes a huge chapter on military records written by a recognized expert. Here is an important phrase: "recognized expert". This person does not spend their time on an email list but is busy preparing lectures, articles, and books, as well as researching for clients. The editors of "The Source" figured out who the experts were and had them write the chapters -- it's a no brainer for ourselves. We don't have to figure out the experts. The military chapter covers every state/colony. Read it as perhaps I missed something the last time I did and if you rely on me, you will be delayed in your research. A couple basics about colonial military outside of New England (which had a few extra wars and so some extra recs): we got the French and Indian War (Seven Years War to you Euros...) and we got the Revolution. We got a handful other conflicts but lets ignore those. So we got two wars, one mid 1700s and one 30 years or so later (ball parking it here). So who, generally speaking, served? Things were not too organized in the 1750s. You check with each colony. PA is unique in that it was settled by pacifists: Quakers. A little history of PA is useful to know. They didn't have standing army or militia at first. The inability or unwillingness of the gov in PHilly led to a lot of trouble and eventually the control of the gov passed from the Quakers to the Scotch Irish and others. So the majority of those fighting in PA were on the outskirts of civilization and Scotch Irish. The Quakers were pacifists, largely concentrated in the Philly area where they prayed and got rich (you can tell I am SI!). So what records were made for PA and what survive? That will be told to you in "The Source". A study of guides to PA military records and to F&I War records might also be worth it -- we all miss something. Having figure out what exists, you then have to find it. This is the next phase in a research project. You fire up www.familysearch.org and check the catelog. So anyway, records aren't great for the F&I War in PA, but much of what we do have is published in the published volumes of the PA Archives. The largest part of them is free on line. See our website http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle, that will take you to pages that explain EXACTLY what is in each vol. So the answer to your question is you go to our list webpage. Then you continue on. You check other military recs you may learn of in doing your research. You also will find tax lists, deeds, grants, and warrants, town records, a few church recs from the time. YOu can do a lot of work at ancestry an www.genealogy.com that include a number of key early PA resources. If you discover your ancestor lived say near Chambersburg, ie southern PA, recall that no one knew where the border with VA and MD were. Uncle George (happy Bday!) recruited from the northern VA/southern PA for his mission into Western PA. You can find records of men who went along, who dropped off, etc. If your man joined near a fort, chances are he lived near it. These records are KEY. Also most of the wills are abstracted and on line free at www.usgenweb.com for Cumberland Co and I think Lancaster too. Check them to see if your ancestor was a witness to a neighbor or brother. >I looked at the sites coming to the list and found some Robert Flemings but >were too late for our line. Eh??? This sounds to me like you are bottom feeding. You kjnow catfish? They lurk at the bottom and eat the dead crap that floats down. They are not particular. ANy crap they will eat. That's like people who surf the internet using compiled genealogy,much of which is wrong and almost none of which has sources so you can check to see if it is wrong. Don't do that. Check wills, deeds, military records, and censuses. >He was in Chester Co PA about 1733-67 then went I think the CHester wills are on line too(usgenweb) but I might be wrong. I've checked them. You also want to check PHilly wills (kept separately). And consider MD. IN researching individuals in Chester Co, you can find records in all these places, esp. in the early days when no one was sure where they were living. THey CTA'd by recording in all possible jurisdictions. The probates are also good to find (LDS for starters) as those dying who didn't leave wills are in th em. Your ancestor didn't die in PA but did he witness others' wills? Did he do inventories of estates? THis type of info will place him in a specific location in PA. >We are looking for any land grant or record with Robert Fleming about 1750- >inPA... Well then, order the warrant index to the PA grants from LDS or go to Harrisgburg or hire someone to do. The deeds are kept by county, so order the F index to Chester Co. They are in LDS. However visiting a library that has them is faster. There's a fair number of Fleming info in early PA. Besides your family, there was one of this name in Carlisle. One man died up in Canada on one of the F&I battles. Resaerched Flemings connected with an other surname for a client of mine. I would not restrict myself to an early timeframe. If a brother or father of your ancestor d. in PA it could be long after he left PA. Sometimes the wills say "My son Widget who resides in SC" or even the place in SC. IE, pretty dang good evidence linking your family in SC to a specific family in a specific place in PA. In working ona 'case' of a man b. around 1750 -- his father if in America, might not have died till 1820 or even 1830. So search wide. In this case I vacuumed up many F&I recs trying to find one man who might have been his da (adult in 1750 as he fathered a child) in PA, MD, and VA. THink daddie was in Ireland... Best of luck too! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Sandra, Rutherford Co., NC was carved out of "old Tryon" Co., NC and Mecklenburg Co., NC, all of which included the original boundaries of the NC western frontier of Anson Co., NC, and which also covered part of the present day upper country of South Carolina. If that is not complex enough, the first courts of "old Tryon" Co., NC were held in what is now York Co., SC; and to add a little spice into the mix "old Tryon" Co., NC was abolished - Gov. Tryon, the loyalist, was not popular with the folks, especially the Scotch-Irish. All this research baggage has been neatly tided up for the family researcher by the good work of Brent Holcomb, who has specialized in abstracting and publishing these records. I will list the sources at the end. Briefly, in 1764, William Cleghorn was bequeathed a saddle by Patrick McCandrick of Anson Co., NC. Mecklenburg Co., NC, which form in 1763 from Anson Co., NC, and included present day Rutherford Co., NC. In 1765, William and Lettice Cleghorn conveyed their Anson Co., NC land on the W side of S. fork (of) Cataba (Catawba)to Andrew Robinson - south fork of Catawba River is on the west side of Catawba River (later Tryon and now Lincoln Co., NC.). William Cleghorn was granted this land in 1762, placing him in what was then Anson Co., NC. William Cleghorne & wf. Lettice are found as land owners in what was then Anson Co., NC as early as 1758, when he obtained his first tract of land on the south fork, and which he conveyed in 1762 to William Moore, above Saml. Coburn. William Cleghorn also owned land on both sides of Dutchman's Creek (Anson/Mecklenburg/Tryon/present day Lincoln County). William Cleghorn purchased the land from John Lanham and sold it to John Bowers in 1764. I do not find William Cleghorn in the deed, will or estate abstracts for Tryon Co., Lincoln or Rutherford Counties, NC from 1769-1786; but William and Lettice are found in the court minutes of old Tryon Co., NC as follows. William Cleghorn - registered his purchased of 400 acres from Jno. McDowell; 1774 deed of sale registered from Moses Alexander to William Cleghorn for 100 acres purchased in 1769; 1775, 300 acre land sale registered from William Cleghorn to James Henderson; 1775 deed of sale registered from William Cleghorn to Henry Hayes; also, July term 1775 of court, Tryon Co., NC, the last Will and Testament of Wm. Cleghorn Deceased was proved in court; Letters Testamentary issued to Lettice Cleghorn wife & relict of the s'd deceased - the text of the will is not abstracted and the estate was inventoried and returned the same court session - the original will and land deeds are on file with the NC state archives in Raleigh; also July 1775 term of court a deed of sale from William Cleghorn to John Huddleston; deed of sale from Wm. Cleghorn to David McBride; a deed of sale registered in court and dated 1766 from George Rutledge to William Cleghorn for 400 acres; So, William Cleghorn died in "old Tryon" Co., NC where his will was probated. Rutherford Co., NC was created from Tryon Co. when it was abolished in 1779. There was some loss of records in Rutherford Co. in 1907; but all the original records abstracted by Holcomb should be at the NC state archives in Raleigh. Sources by Brent H. Holcomb: Mecklenburg County, North Carolina Abstracts of Early Wills; Mecklenburg County, North Carolina Deed Abstracts 1763-1779; Tryon County North Carolina Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarterly Sessions 1769-1779. **William and Lettice Cleghorn apparently settled first in Augusta Co., VA indicating a possible PA migration pattern; see Chalkley's Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish..." Page 455.--5th September, 1754: Commission to take privy examination of Lettice wife of William Cleghorn, as to her release of dower in a tract conveyed by William to Mary Chittam on 20th March, 1754. Executed 12th November, 1754. This record shows that Lettice released her dower right (1/3) so William could convey the land, possibly indicating their migration to NC. Best wishes, Lee Ramsey -----Original Message----- From: Thomas R. Stanley [mailto:pastanley@alltel.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:07 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Cleghorn Family Hi. My ancestors left Scotland in the early 1700. His name was William Cleghorn Sr. born around 1720. He married Lettice Poage in 1750-1752 in Rutherford Co. North Carolina. If any has any information please let me know. If you have any suggestions on how to accomplish my mission , please let me know. Thanks, Sandra Cleghorn Stanley

> [Original Message] > From: Carolyn Hughes <nanunanu@earthlink.net> > To: Sarah <agape2u@msinter.net> > Date: 2/19/2006 7:57:24 PM > Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Re: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #34 > > I've already missed part 1 of Reconstruction. Part 2 is on PBS tonight at 9 in Southern California--followed by Fort Niagara at 10:30. This is why we need to remind each other. > Carolyn > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Sarah <agape2u@msinter.net> > > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 2/19/2006 5:18:06 PM > > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Re: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #34 > > > > YES !!!! please give out a history alert when ever anything of interest is > > coming on for us genealogy and history buffs. > > Would really appreciate it and it may help someone a great deal. Never know > > what may come up. > > Thanks > > Sarah > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:25 PM > > Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #34 > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/06

YES !!!! please give out a history alert when ever anything of interest is coming on for us genealogy and history buffs. Would really appreciate it and it may help someone a great deal. Never know what may come up. Thanks Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #34 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/06

I looked at the sites coming to the list and found some Robert Flemings but were too late for our line. He was in Chester Co PA about 1733-67 then went to SC and his sons inlisted for Rev War in NC under Captain Rutherford. They fought in NC regiment. Does anyone HAVE information about EARLY PA military list. His sons were born in 1752-60. They all moved by 1767 to SC. We are looking for any land grant or record with Robert Fleming about 1750- inPA... Wife was Phoebe?? maybe Rutherford Any ideas appreciated. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #34 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/06

Could/ Would some very helpful person with access to the CD Irish Immigrants to North America 1700s & 1803-1871 or some other source look for me for the names, John SLOEY(maybe Stoey) and Felix P. O'NEILL, on the Britannia which left Londonderry in the early part of 1868. It docked in New York on 8 April 2868. Thanks for your time and efforts. Frank

Hi. My ancestors left Scotland in the early 1700. His name was William Cleghorn Sr. born around 1720. He married Lettice Poage in 1750-1752 in Rutherford Co. North Carolina. If any has any information please let me know. If you have any suggestions on how to accomplish my mission , please let me know. Thanks, Sandra Cleghorn Stanley

Hi Sandra, You asked.... >how to accomplish my mission , please let me know. I have one suggestion. You said: >My ancestors left Scotland in the early 1700. Oops, you are on the wrong list. This list is totally populated by people looking for people from Ireland. That's not Scotland. It's not because we're bigots. It's because the records situation in Scotland is very different from Ireland. You gotta not only network with people also looking for people in Scotland, but you must learn a whole different way of doing genealogy with things like OPRs and sassines. You can find a list at www.rootsweb.com. Also be sure to begin with IGI and Ancestral File at www.familysearch.org . Pardon if you've been there and done that. ESPECIALLY for Scottish research, IGI is your very very important resource at the start, in the middle, and at the end. That's because it contains almost all of the OPRs. These are "OLd Parochial Records" from Scotland. They are all indexed and on line, free. You can order microfilm to look at the actual parish registers -- a MUST. All the people of Scotland are not in the OPRs. The Catholics aren't, people living in the highlands where the parish system was not instituted till 1900 or slightly earlier, dissenting protestants like wee frees, Mormons, and Methodists are often not in them. Still, it's highly likely SOME of your ancsetors are there and if you spend some time learning how to use this resource, you will succeed. Ireland, on the other hand, has a lot fewer surviving church records and only a very very very small portion of the ones that do survive are indexed in IGI. Totally different methodologies. So go to www.familysearch and download the free guides on using IGI and doing Scottish research. And don't look here. Other people looking for Scottish people aren't here. They are on a Scottish list wishing YOU would join! Also study up on how to do American colonial research. Even if you give conferences on American colonial research for a living, there is more to learn that will result in your finding valuable clues. It's the people giving the conferences who are often the ones who will say that the more they do the less they realize they know. so they are studying ALL the time. Best of luck!! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Thomas R. Stanley" <pastanley@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:06:48 -0500 >Hi. His name was William Cleghorn Sr. born around 1720. >He married Lettice Poage in 1750-1752 in Rutherford Co. North Carolina. If any has any information please let me know. If you have any suggestions on how to accomplish my mission , please let me know. >Thanks, >Sandra Cleghorn Stanley > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hello Carol, www.surnamenavigator.org/ is very useful for unusual surnames. I'd suggest that Landrum is LENDRUM and there are people searching for that name on a couple of the lists I belong to. DUNLAP 6 and DUNLOP 20 hits at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ DUNLAP 14 and DUNLOP 2, LENDRUM 14 hits at www.fermanagh.org.uk/ Sign up tp Fermanagh Friends to get to the surname search. The Tyrone website is undergoing changes but can be reached at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/index1.html and I know there are people looking for a couple of your names. Also look at the archives of the Scotch-Irish list and of the lists which accompany the websites. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK Carol Renfro <crenfro@alltel.net> Subject: Renfro, Dunlap, Martin Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 RENFRO Various spellings. family staunch Presbyterian, firmly believed to be Scots-Irish. Perhaps name connected to Renfrewshire? where to search for Renfro/Renfroe/Renfrew/Renfrow in NI? DUNLAP May or may not have been Scots-Irish, but prob at least Scottish, Episcopal. anyone know whether Dunlaps in Ulster or where I could find info? MARTIN If info true were Highland Scots but other origin possible. Any info on Martins in NI appreciated. Others being searched, with unk country of origin: COLE, FLOWERS (prob German), WOOD, JONES, REED, NEWMAN, ELLIS, SELF, SEABOLT, LAY, LANDRUM, JOHNSON, GARLAND, PATTERSON, PHILLIPS. Carol Cole Renfro, 5931 West Avenue, Lavonia, Georgia (706) 356-1254

William DUNLAP, b. 1806 in Antrim, prob. Ballynagashel near Ballymoney m. Jane ADAMS b. 1809, same area. Letter of reference from Rev. Robert Park, Presbyterian Church Ballynagashel (was also minister in Presbyterian Church Ballymoney, County Antrim). Emmigrated in 1833. Settled in California twp., Branch County, Michigan. Jane's brother James Adams stayed in County Antrim (have letter from him). Alexander VANCE, b.Nov 28, 1831, in County Donegal, m. Mary BARNHILL, b.Jan 1830, County Donegal. The middle name of their oldest daughter was HAMILTON. Alexander VANCE'S parents were Robert VANCE, b.abt1790, and Mary Ramsey. Robert VANCE's parents were John VANCE and Mary ALLISON. We believe the Vances came to Ireland in 1600's and lived in Raphoe and Momeen townlands, County Donegal. They were Presbyterian. Alexander and Mary married Nov 1851, and emmigrated soon after. They settled first in Brooklyn, NY, then Fallston, Harford County, Maryland, and finally California township, Branch County, Michigan

Ann How far back are you on documenting your Vance ancestors? I have a Barnett that married a Vance in Londonderry. The Barnetts came to Derry about 1630 from Scotland. I will give you more info--names and dates next week as it is almost 1 AM here in California. Carolyn Mills Hughes > [Original Message] > From: <AnnBrdx@aol.com> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/18/2006 10:16:01 PM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] DUNLAP, ADAMS, VANCE, BARNHILL, RAMSAY, ALLISON > > William DUNLAP, b. 1806 in Antrim, prob. Ballynagashel near Ballymoney m. > Jane ADAMS b. 1809, same area. Letter of reference from Rev. Robert Park, > Presbyterian Church Ballynagashel (was also minister in Presbyterian Church > Ballymoney, County Antrim). Emmigrated in 1833. Settled in California twp., > Branch County, Michigan. Jane's brother James Adams stayed in County Antrim > (have letter from him). > > Alexander VANCE, b.Nov 28, 1831, in County Donegal, m. Mary BARNHILL, b.Jan > 1830, County Donegal. The middle name of their oldest daughter was HAMILTON. > Alexander VANCE'S parents were Robert VANCE, b.abt1790, and Mary Ramsey. > Robert VANCE's parents were John VANCE and Mary ALLISON. > We believe the Vances came to Ireland in 1600's and lived in Raphoe and > Momeen townlands, County Donegal. They were Presbyterian. > > Alexander and Mary married Nov 1851, and emmigrated soon after. They > settled first in Brooklyn, NY, then Fallston, Harford County, Maryland, and > finally California township, Branch County, Michigan

Hello, I am looking for information on these two families from Antrim Ireland. Cargills from Mallendober and Ballyhemlin. Andersons from Bushmills per haps Clougher Anderson. Could have connections with the old Bushmills Distillery and I believe there is Joseph from the Connors whose will was probated in 1770. The names of interest are: Robert, Hugh, Joseph, Sarah, Margaret, Elizabeth, Charles and Ann. 4th gr grandfather came to N America with a companion named David Cargill about 1788. Judy Anderson Washington USA

Linda, Thought I'd say Hi again. I just received a small packet from the Allegheny County Prothonotary's Office. I asked for and, for $2, received the naturalization papers for my g-g-g-grandfather, William McKinney. They couldn't find the papers for his son, even though I gave them similar information. They suggested other places that might have John's records. Anyway, I was thrilled to again see William's signature. It appears very similar, but with less flourish at the end, to the signature on his will. Unfortunately, the papers -- initial petition in 1833 and final in 1836 -- identify him only as a native of Ireland. Nothing about his county or his family or his port of entry (which we believe was Baltimore in 1822). I really thought there'd be more in there to identify him. In those days, was it only necessary to enter a petition in court and have the proper witnesses? In William's case, I had already traced the deed to his land back to previous owners, just for fun (and because the land was situated on Braddock's Field). One of his witnesses, a John Frichman, happened to have been a previous owner of the land William bought. A fun fact. Next step is to find what's available at the Allegheny County Cemetery office. I'm virtually positive William and his clan were Presbyterians, but I'm hoping the cemetery records have something to confirm that -- inasmuch as the whole lot of them, along with a few inlaws, were buried there. I'm hoping, now that I'm retired (going on three weeks now) that I can get down there for a day to look around. I'd been searching for their burial ground when I was put in touch with a lady from Arizona whose husband's ancestors are an offshoot of mine. We're sharing info, of course. Like me, she'd searched unsuccessfully for the place of burial for her husband's Curry family. Then, she happened upon a PBS TV show about Allegheny Cemetery, where all the "movers and shakers" were laid to rest. She contacted them and hit gold. Amazing how genealogy links are discovered. I'm hoping to get a specific church out of all of this, so I can try for information via that avenue -- knowing ahead of time that dealing with most churches can try anyone's patience. Anyway, thought you'd like a success story of sorts. Take care and good hunting. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.