Linda, I've enjoyed reading your educational emails to the list. My Criswell & Kilgore & Gill ancestors came to Pennsylvania and/or Maryland in the early 1700s. What advise can you offer to me for finding their link to Ulster or Scotland? I'm planning on enrolling in the Irish Research course on www.myfamily.com that starts in a couple of weeks with Sherry Irvine who I understand is terrific. Am not sure if her course covers both Northern Ireland and Ireland. Any advise you can offer for reading, courses, websites, etc would be appreciated. Bill Hawkins

Hi folks, Today's free rootsweb review (sign up at www.rootsweb.com) announced a new magazine called "Internet Genealogy", soon to appear in your local magazine rack. There's a free downloadable copy of a preview issues: http://internet-genealogy.com/IG_subsRW.htm It has a couple useful articles. LInda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Charles, These people are 90% likely to be Scotch Irish. Check out the history of Scots in New England? There are colonial Scots there but they are few, and they had a very unique history. Largely they assimilated into the English Yankee culture by marrying the daughters of the men they were first enslaved to (Cromwell shipped them off as slaves in the 1650s). Do you know the history of the relationship of England and Scotland? Or do you think that the way things are (the "United Kingdom") is how it was in Chaucer's day and every day since? It wasn't. You need to understand the times when Scottish ships and Scottish merchants were foreigners and NOT welcomed in the English colonies. This is not to say a few were not here -- but there were few Scots in NE except for those in the pubs on the waterfront of Boston, Providence, oh and Ptown (etc). There were also Scots colonies in like New Jersey and Maryland, but you need to be aware of the dates when they were established. I gave a lecture on Scots and SI in NE in Cape Cod a couple years ago and had to read up on it to deliver without being bashed by rotten tomatoes <grin>. Three books to read. It really helps you make sense of things: David Dobson "Scots in New England", David Dobson "Scottish Emigration to Colonial America" and Michael O'Brien "Pioneer Irish in New England". O Brien will steer you towards addition records in NE. Dobson is in Scotland. He cannot much help you to do colonial research, but then, that's why you are a member of NEHGS, right?!!! The way that they kept records is by town up thar in NE. Your ancestors are named in the town records whether they are Scots, IRish, aliens from Mars, etc. When you have gathered as much info as you can, you profile them and then you learn to do migration research. Theer's some great free courses on the INternet: www.genealogy.com/university.html . I do genealogy professionally and I still return frequently because....I missed things the first 34 times. Then you must learn to do Irish genealogy in the 18th century. If you take any courses on it y ou will learn it is impossible to trace 'average' people before 1820 in Ireland! if you don't know this, you do need to do a little reading. The good news is this is not true, esp for Protestants. They are far more likely to be named in the weird, strange records that they did manage to keep in Ireland before church records. BUT you gotta learn about how to find and use those records. YOu gotta have some info on your ancestor already. No matter how many Scotch Irish genes you got, you gotta learn this. And it's a lot like hiking to Pittsburgh in 1746: Only a couple people have done it. There's no "Scotch IRish genelaogy for Idiots" that's been written yet. I wish.... That's why we have this list -- to learn from one another so we can someday write "Scotch Irish Genealogy for Idiots". I'm just trying to make sure you understand it ain't easy. I hope you weren't expecting that it was! It's dang interesting though. Unfortunately New England based SI genealogy seems the most neglected of all....a few are interested, but most aren't. NEHGS is not. The Irish up there exclude us from their organizations and we've not created any of our own. So it's a lot like living in Worcester in 1740 <grin>! In fact I just left and moved to Pittsburgh, where it's much more friendly. Worcester, where I lived for a number of years in the 1970s and then the last 5 years, is where the first potatoes were eaten in the New World, introduced by a Gaelic Irish family named YOUNG (unproven, source is Hanna). The Youngs I think are still there but most ditched Worcester when the local English rioted and tore down the Presbyterian meeting house. The local Yankees are still proud to show you where they tore it down. A lot of VT, NH and western MA are Scotch Irish homelands -- but we left or assimilated into Yankees. As fer the surname analysis, you really cannot base a respectable genealogical study on it. People in the UK moved about freely. British genealogical conferences often include a lecture on the turnover of surnames in the most traceable parishes -- in England. They turned over about every 100 years. Yet people still think that surnames only originated in one place, like some kind of mutant plant, and spread out from there. Not so, esp. with Mc names (if you think there was one 'son of John' in all of Scotland and Ireland, see me about a great deal on a bridge!!). It's not tooo likely your ancestor was in Canada 'for a quite a while' unless he was an Indian or French. Before the mid 1700s it was part of Canada. Then there was a war. We call it the French and Indian War in the USA. It resulted in a very nasty atrocity perpetrated by ourselves on the French. However there were a number of people taken captive in New England by the Indians/French -- a study of the history reveals some surnames. The thing about ship captains is that they got around -- A LOT. Your man may have had a lady in every port in colonial USA. Where he was from you may be able to discover through some detailed work, if it's not been learned already. Just don't neglect checking PERSI in case someone published his entire history. A lot of people think surfing the web is all that's needed., NO! IT'll disclose a lot of bull (pardon!) and nonsense believed by the naive (about 95 % of us <grin>), but the smart cousins publish their work the old fashioned way: in periodicals and books. These cousins know more than the other 95% percent, I might add. (you can get PERSI on the Internet <GRIN>). Unfortunately, when we get to the early 1700s, unless we learn how to do research in that time period, we will either not go anywhere (and take up needlepoint instead as a hobby) or we fall prey to a fool -- well intended or otherwise. I'm very fond of some foolishness of my own but I do know it's fool stuff that is not proven but is SO romantic. I just don't believe it....quite!!! Your surnames strike me as fairly common for that area. The thing is they didn't come over one by one. They all lived near each other in Ulster. So...finda place with the same surname mix. The early migrants that I am aware of often came from near Derry. Also as even the Irish American historians know, Donegal lost its people, Catholic and Prod, very eary because the soil was too poor to support it. See "Inventing Irish America" by Timothy J. Meagher. From my studies, it's true. For example there was a group of people of various religions who left Donegal around 1790 on the good ship Elisa. Many eventually settled in what would be Butler CO, PA. Also check the list archives (www.rootsweb.com). A list member discovered in Irish estate records where some early NE SI came from. He published an article, I beleive, and also gave us some info. THis stuff is not in Hanna or Bolton. It shows that by learning how to use Irish records, you can break new ground and shed immense light on the wilderness that is Ulster and Ulster American genealogy. Linda ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: charles <jitsu93@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) >Linda: > I have quite a few early 1700s settlers in what is now Lincoln Co., Maine. Most have Scot surnames and they most probably are Scotch-Irish. > > I have Cargill, Nickles, Holmes and McKown in that area. > > Today I did a "google" search for Scotch-Irish settlements in New England and there is a mention of a McCoun that fits my time frame and location. McCoun is phonetically McKown which appears on a family grave marker. Our family also has a McGown marriage in the mid 1700s. The McGowns were from Dresden, Maine. > > Back to McKown--my ancestor was Capt. Robert McKown, master mariner and son-in-law of Alexander Nickles, the last commander at Fort Frederick, Maine. I inserted Nickles here because there is an old article in a New Brunswick newspaper that relates to them. They were both early fishermen in the Passamaquoddy area of Maine and the story goes on that the Mckown family was at Sheepscot and McKowns father was killed and robert was taken prisoner to Canada. He may have been in Canada for quite awhile. > > I think that McKowns may have been in Temple's group. Alexander Nickles was also my ancestor. > > I can put McKown in Maine ca 1720 and I feel they may have entered the country with Temple . > > thanks, Charles > > P.S. I also have a Hugh Holmes I haven't had any luck with. Maybe Hugh was descended from Thomas or John Homes from Coleraine, NI. Thomas and John are mentioned in Bolton's book. > >Linda Merle <merle@fea.net> wrote: > Hi Charles, > >Don't know where you 'are' with this: starting out or ready to write the definitive work on it. Most of us here are waiting >for the person who had done all the work to join the list >and to post their life work free to us. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Correction: NEHGS is still selling their "Circulating Library Catalog, but will not accept Circulating Library orders after April 24, 2006. Their rationale for selling the catalogs is that they "continue to be a useful resource." Frankly, I think that the Society should include a note at their "store" before filling catalog orders. According to a note enclosed with the catalog order, they will provide assistance in helping members locate copies of books previously available on loan. Grace

Linda: I have quite a few early 1700s settlers in what is now Lincoln Co., Maine. Most have Scot surnames and they most probably are Scotch-Irish. I have Cargill, Nickles, Holmes and McKown in that area. Today I did a "google" search for Scotch-Irish settlements in New England and there is a mention of a McCoun that fits my time frame and location. McCoun is phonetically McKown which appears on a family grave marker. Our family also has a McGown marriage in the mid 1700s. The McGowns were from Dresden, Maine. Back to McKown--my ancestor was Capt. Robert McKown, master mariner and son-in-law of Alexander Nickles, the last commander at Fort Frederick, Maine. I inserted Nickles here because there is an old article in a New Brunswick newspaper that relates to them. They were both early fishermen in the Passamaquoddy area of Maine and the story goes on that the Mckown family was at Sheepscot and McKowns father was killed and robert was taken prisoner to Canada. He may have been in Canada for quite awhile. I think that McKowns may have been in Temple's group. Alexander Nickles was also my ancestor. I can put McKown in Maine ca 1720 and I feel they may have entered the country with Temple . thanks, Charles P.S. I also have a Hugh Holmes I haven't had any luck with. Maybe Hugh was descended from Thomas or John Homes from Coleraine, NI. Thomas and John are mentioned in Bolton's book. Linda Merle <merle@fea.net> wrote: Hi Charles, Don't know where you 'are' with this: starting out or ready to write the definitive work on it. Most of us here are waiting for the person who had done all the work to join the list and to post their life work free to us.

Stupid me! I forgot to also add Hanna "The Scotch Irish". He largely did not write much on the New England SI since Bolton had 'done' them, but..... I did check "Filby' in Ancestry. It has <SPLAT> Robert Temple Year: 1717 Place: New England Source Publication Code: 2896.3 Primary Immigrant: Temple, Robert Annotation: Date and port of arrival. Source Bibliography: HANNA, CHARLES A. The Scotch-Irish. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1995. Volume II. Page: 24 Also Name: Robert Temple Year: 1717 Place: Boston Source Publication Code: 4628.40 Primary Immigrant: Temple, Robert Annotation: Date and port of arrival or date and place of first mention in the New World. The monograph on The Irish Scots and the "Scotch-Irish" originally appeared in the The Granite Monthly, (January-March, 1888), of Concord, New Hampshire. Extensive genealogical Source Bibliography: LINEHAN, JOHN C. The Irish Scots and the "Scotch- Irish," An Historical and Ethnological Monograph, with Some Reference to Scotia Major and Scotia Minor, To Which is Added a Chapter on "How the Irish Came as Builders of the Nation." Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1997. 138p. Robert Temple Year: 1717 Place: Boston Family Members: family Source Publication Code: 648.10 Primary Immigrant: Temple, Robert Annotation: Date and port of arrival, date and place of settlement, or date of request for emigration with intended destination; a few are date and place of mention of residence in New World. In appendices, pages 317-377, indexer assumed all names listed had immigrat Source Bibliography: BOLTON, CHARLES KNOWLES. Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America. Boston: Bacon and Brown, 1910. Reprint. Heritage Books, Bowie, MD, 1989. 398p. Page: 218 Here;s a good one: Name: Robert Temple Year: 1718 Place: Boston Source Publication Code: 3453.35 Primary Immigrant: Temple, Robert Annotation: Date and port of arrival or date and place of other mention in the New World. Extensive historical information is also provided. Source Bibliography: THE IRISH IN NEW ENGLAND, IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH TO NEW ENGLAND, SOURCES OF IRISH-AMERICAN GENEALOGY, AND THE KENNEDYS OF MASSACHUSETTS. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1985. 44p. Extensive! There are also several marriages for a Robert Temple: Boston, Massachusetts Marriages, 1700-1809 You searched for Robert Temple from 1680 - 1750 Refine your search All ResultsViewing 1-3 of 3 View Record Spouse1 Spouse2 Married By Date View Record Robert Temple Dorcas Courtney Rev. Mr. Benj. Wadsworth Presbytn 05 Jan 1715 View Record Robert Temple Dorcas Codner 03 Jan 1715 View Record Robert Temple Mehitabel Nelson Mr. Sam. Myles Presn. 11 Aug 1721 ---- These are interesting because apparently Temple was not a common name in NE at that time and the one is Presbyterian. His settlers may also been married in Boston, in what became NH or VT, in the northern counties of Mass, in Worcester. They probably itinerated through Worcester or Hopkinton or the western towns that were largely Scotch Irish towns in the 1740s and later. These people moved about a lot, often seeking a place devoid of English. If they settled into an English town, they were required to worship at the town church meeting. If they formed their own town, ditto -- but if everyone was also SI, then they could hire in a churchman who was more of their own liking. So after brief stays and fights they tended to move west. Hence its useful to look for them in large repositories of town records. You can 'pick up' brief stays by the baptisms of children they had along the way as well as the warnings out, etc, that occured when they conflicted with the local English. The NEHGS has a lot of NE town records on line. VERY useful. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Charles, Don't know where you 'are' with this: starting out or ready to write the definitive work on it. Most of us here are waiting for the person who had done all the work to join the list and to post their life work free to us. I'm hopeful, myself! So far though all my rellies think I know more than them. Hah!! I can't even talk to the fairies let along find our ancestors. If you are starting out, check Bolton. DOn't know him? You ARE starting out <grin> . That's "Scotch-Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America". In the back he'll have a bibliography of sources. Check there. He's in paperback and on CD. Check your local library. Also check Maine resources. This is Maine history. There's more likely to be more people up to date on Robert Temple on a Maine list than here. We're from all over, not from Maine, largely. Since Bolton wsa written over 100 years ago, to catch up, you would check: www.familysearch.org -- their catalog may identify any historical work on Temple. Also check the NEHGS website and their catalog. Maine was 'owned' by Mass, so ultimately, many early Maine records are in MASS and part of Mass history. It's a pain! If you check PERSI you can find articles written on Temple and the town. PERSI can be got at your local LDS family history center and on line at a couple places like ancestry. As you know, the idea of writing down the names of everyone who got off some ship is an idea first invented by the US COngress in 1820. In that year it passed a law requiring that all ships entering the USA document who was on the ship. Before that date, we got no such lists. We got some things, like lists made of non British immigrants due to a law requiring that non British subjects take an oath on arrival. However most of our ancestors here are British. THey are not documented. THere are also diaries and lists made for various reasons. These may document one or two % of who came. We don't know who came or how many so we can't even be sure how many names we don't have. We are arguing over how many came and from where. Also why they came. The scholars are not in agreement. Hwoever anything that does survive that documents colonial immigration has been published and indexed in Filby. You can check the internet and/or our archives for info on Filby. Filby is now in www.ancestry.com. So you can try to find your man there in under a minute. If you strike out, you can then move on to something else. You can also use Cyndi's list (www.cyndislist.com ) to spend lots of evenings inspecting lists of immigrants posted by busy beavers to the Internet. Or become one. All this is 1 or 2 or 5% of all the records, but it's more useful than watching TV. Usually you will find that at your dates, little is known. They kept very bad records in the early 1700s. Bolton is your first stop. After him, it's the standard genealogical methodologies. For info on them see www.genealogy.com/university.html . Three courses on immigration! They are good. Also a deep study of Topsham history paying particular attention to where early documents were deposited is in order. Possibly there is some info buried in early state papers of Massachusetts, undiscovered. You can find it and publish an article. We'll find you in PERSI unless you tell us about it. You might also join NEGHS and ask their experts who may have worked over this material. They are the ones most likely to know off the top of their heads. One thing to pay attention to is farms that are tax exempt. A number of Siege of Derry vets came to New England in the early days. Their farms were tax exempt for life, or, until the American Revolution (which came first !). So it's a clue to where they were. If you understand the history of the Williamite Wars, you'll know there are just a couple places the vet was fighting: Derry and Enniskillen being top of the list. If you do find a list....post them here and we'll love you forever. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: charles <jitsu93@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0800 (PST) >Capt. Robert Temple brought at least 5 shiploads of Scotch-Irish to the area around Topsham, Maine ca 1719-20. > > Were there any lists of Temple's settlers who emigrated with Temple in that time frame? > > > thanks > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Capt. Robert Temple brought at least 5 shiploads of Scotch-Irish to the area around Topsham, Maine ca 1719-20. Were there any lists of Temple's settlers who emigrated with Temple in that time frame? thanks

I recognized the RANKIN surname which may be very common in Scotland. I looked in my database and found a David RANKIN, b. 1666 in Scotland, m. Unknown. He emigrated from Scotland to Aghadowey, Balleymoney, Antrim, Ireland in 1686 where he died in 1650. His dau. Isabella RANKIN, b. 1683 in probably Aghadowey, m. Robert BLAIR of Aghadowey. It appears that they emigrated abt. 1718 to Worcester, Massachusetts. Interesting similarity in dates of these two RANKINs. Wonder if they were related in any way. Carol Reed Kennedy In a message dated 3/16/2006 10:01:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Subject: RANKIN: SCT>IRE>PA> TN Hi folks, In John Boddie, Bennett "Historical Southern Families", Vol. XIX, "Rankin of Virginia and Tennessee" (Redwood City, Calif.: Pacific Coast Publishers, 1957- ) on Family Archive CD 7191 (and NEHGS library) reference is made to this family. P. 119: William Rankin was b. in Scotland ca 1663, son of Alexander Rankin, b. Ayrshire. Two brothers were killed during the 'religious persecution' (apparently the 1680s) but William and his father escaped to Londonderry, Ireland. Alexander Rankin signed the petition of thanks to God and William of Orange for raising the Siege of Derry in August, 1689. William married wife unknown in Scotland and had 3 sons, all b. in Derry: Adam b. 1688, John b. 1690, and Hugh b. 1692 as well as a dau Jane. The three sons migrated to America in 1720, landed in Philadelphia and settled in Chester Co, PA. Adam and his brother Hugh were killed in an accident at their mill in 1747. Adam m. in Ireland Elizabeth MAY who d. after landing in PHilly. He married Mary STEELE.He left 3 sons, probably by the first wife: James b. 1710, William b 1713, and Jeremiah. James m. and had six children (Mary, Robert, David, Ann, Elizabeth, Jane). David (James, William, Alexander) b, 1742 in CHester Co., PA, d. in Greene Co, TN ca 1802. He moved from Chester in 1784. He M. Ann Campbell and had: James, Mary, William, Robert, Ann, Elizabeth, and Jane. Etc, etc! I am not researching these people -- just wanted the info in the archives because someday someone will. And if they inherited any brains from these fellas, they'll check the archives! (Www.roots.web.com, go to Mail lists, click on interactive search, type in Scotch-Irish ). Oh, I got no further info. If it is later than St. Patricks Day, 2006, I forgot making this post ! Linda Merle

I have updated the Banbridge births on my website, more will be added this week, as there is a variation in the spelling of the names, its a good idea to go to the last page of the Banbridge births and browse through the latest names put on just now. , and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3996 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

NEHGS will continue with its circulating library. While the books on loan are not part of the new on-line catalog, a current two-volume catalog of the books available for loan is available from NEHGS for $5.00 plus S&H. I am an NEHGS member and just purchased the circulating library catalog from the "store" at NEHGS.org. Grace

Greetings all Ive warned about this before - but neither of these "documents" - they are actually books, not "manuscripts" as such, Do NOT contain a magic list of settlers. There are names of course, but mainly relatives of the families concerned..The reference to 10,000 settlers doesnt mean that they are all named !. There are no known lists of the common settlers, farmers and the like. Brian Orr

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You can get these manuscripts on CD-ROM for £10 from the Ulster-Scots Agency The U.S.A has a website for the Hamilton / Montgomery at:- http://www.hamiltonmontgomery1606.com/ Ulster-Scots Manuscript Gets Makeover http://www.newsletter.co.uk/story/26139 By Johnny Caldwell Tuesday 14th February 2006 Ancient documents detailing how thousands of Scots came to Ulster in the 17th century have been given a thoroughly modern makeover. An eBook of manuscripts from Hamilton/Montgomery Plantation, which predates the Ulster Plantation and the Flight of the Earls, was launched in Carrickfergus yesterday. Ayrshire Scots James Hamilton and Hugh Montgomery pioneered a massive settlement from the Lowlands of Scotland to Counties Antrim and Down. Starting in May 1606, over 10,000 thousand, mainly Presbyterian, made the short voyage across the North Channel, and in the process helped transform barren Ulster into an industrial powerhouse. Mark Thompson, Ulster-Scots Agency chairman, said: "What today is all about is ensuring that Ulster-Scots is taken seriously in the world of local historians and to this end we've invited representatives from a variety of organisations ,including the Ulster Historical Foundation, the Ulster History Circle and the Federation for Ulster Local Studies. "Believe it or not, there are some people that would say Ulster-Scots and the surrounding history and culture was only invented 10 years ago, however, here we have manuscripts dating from the later part of the 17th century which tell of two Scottish families' key role in the first large-scale migration into Ulster." j.caldwell@newsletter.co.uk <mailto:j.caldwell@newsletter.co.uk> eBook reveals Ulster-Scots background Mon 12th Feb BY STEVEN MOORE s.moore@newsletter.co.uk <mailto:s.moore@newsletter.co.uk> DOCUMENTS that tell the story behind how 10,000 Scots came to settle in counties Down and Antrim 400 years ago have been developed into a cutting edge historical research tool. The family manuscripts from Scots gentry James Hamilton and Hugh Montgomery, who ended up each getting a third of Ulster chieftain Con O'Neill's land after an intriguing rescue plot, are now available in an eBook CD rom format from the Ulster-Scots Agency. The cross-border agency, which responsible for the promotion of the Ulster-Scots language, culture and heritage, today launched the eBook at Carrickfergus Castle to an audience of historians and local government representatives. Ayrshire Scots Hamilton and Montgomery, after arranging the escape of O'Neill from Warrick, began the the first large-scale migration of Scots into Ulster. Agency chairman Mark Thompson said he 1,000 copies of the CD rom was the first ime that historical Ulster-Scots research iocuments had been produced in such a format. "We have produced facsimile, searchable eBook CD rom editions of the two authoritative records of the Settlement," he said. "The advantage with this digital format is that the user will view a facsimile onscreen which, thanks to leading-edge technology, can now be text-searched. "The opportunities for research work are limitless. These will undoubtedly appeal to historians and genealogists alike, and provide a scholarly yet innovative starting point in telling the story of The Dawn of the Ulster-Scots." Mr Thompson, who personally supplied a copy of the Montgomery manuscripts, said the agency had the support of the current Hamilton and Montgomery families in marking the 400th anniversary. The Hamilton Manuscripts and the Montgomery Manuscripts were written by the family historians of the era and were initially published in the early 1700s. The most recent printings of the documents are from around 1860 and are considered valuable collectors items. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0611-2, 17/03/2006 Tested on: 17/03/2006 17:53:23 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

MEMBERSHIP IN NEGHS READ THE FINE AND LARGE PRINT. If you were counting on the book borrowing privileges many members have mentioned in earlier emails, you are out of luck. In the future, to use those books, you will need to visit the library in Boston. Book borrowing from the NEGHS will end as a membership benefit in April. Be aware of this if you plan on joining. Mike

Hi folks, In John Boddie, Bennett "Historical Southern Families", Vol. XIX, "Rankin of Virginia and Tennessee" (Redwood City, Calif.: Pacific Coast Publishers, 1957- ) on Family Archive CD 7191 (and NEHGS library) reference is made to this family. P. 119: William Rankin was b. in Scotland ca 1663, son of Alexander Rankin, b. Ayrshire. Two brothers were killed during the 'religious persecution' (apparently the 1680s) but William and his father escaped to Londonderry, Ireland. Alexander Rankin signed the petition of thanks to God and William of Orange for raising the Siege of Derry in August, 1689. William married wife unknown in Scotland and had 3 sons, all b. in Derry: Adam b. 1688, John b. 1690, and Hugh b. 1692 as well as a dau Jane. The three sons migrated to America in 1720, landed in Philadelphia and settled in Chester Co, PA. Adam and his brother Hugh were killed in an accident at their mill in 1747. Adam m. in Ireland Elizabeth MAY who d. after landing in PHilly. He married Mary STEELE.He left 3 sons, probably by the first wife: James b. 1710, William b 1713, and Jeremiah. James m. and had six children (Mary, Robert, David, Ann, Elizabeth, Jane). David (James, William, Alexander) b, 1742 in CHester Co., PA, d. in Greene Co, TN ca 1802. He moved from Chester in 1784. He M. Ann Campbell and had: James, Mary, William, Robert, Ann, Elizabeth, and Jane. Etc, etc! I am not researching these people -- just wanted the info in the archives because someday someone will. And if they inherited any brains from these fellas, they'll check the archives! (Www.roots.web.com, go to Mail lists, click on interactive search, type in Scotch-Irish ). Oh, I got no further info. If it is later than St. Patricks Day, 2006, I forgot making this post ! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

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Hello Sybil: Take a look at Canada 411 on-line directory (free of charge) at: http://1canada411.sympatico.msn.ca/ There are 10 households listed in Canada under the name GILZEAN. There are also 4 households using the surname GILLEAN. You might want to contact them in writing or by phone. Good searching. Allan Wands Toronto -----Original Message----- From: Sybil Chapman [mailto:sybilchapman@cebridge.net] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:08 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Gilezeans in Canada, Gilleans in US. I am interested in finding people researching Gillzeans or Gilleans who migrated from Scotland to Canada and then to US, state of Georgia. My ancestor is John Gillean born 5 May 1813 in Georgia, died 2 Feb 1852 in Arkansas. A book in Cooper, Delta County, Texas said that these Gilleans were Scotch-Irish who came from Scotland to Canada, then to Georgia and to Arkansas. Can anybody recommend a web site or a bookseller where I might verify this? I have recently been told that they were called Gilzeans when they came to Canada. Recently someone in the family came across an old parchment sheet that said a John Gillean born in 1774 married a Fannie. Have not been able to find a record of this anywhere. Thank you.

Does anyone have any information on this family? I hit a brick wall when I found they had come from Ireland Name: WEIR , James (possibly also known as John) Address: Village of Cairn(886) Parish: Inch Relationship: son of Robert Weir Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 1 Born: Inch Wgt Household No: 2/37 Name: WEIR , Jane Address: Village of Cairn(886) Parish: Inch Relationship: daughter of Robert W Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 6 Born: Inch Wgt Household No: 2/37 Name: WEIR , Robert Address: Village of Cairn(886) Parish: Inch Relationship: son of Robert Weir Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 4 Born: Inch Wgt Household No: 2/37 Name: WEIR , Robert Address: Village of Cairn(886) Parish: Inch Relationship: head of household Marital Status: married Occupation: LABOURER agricultural Age: 27 Born: Ireland Household No: 2/37 Name: WEIR , Sarah Address: Village of Cairn(886) Parish: Inch Relationship: wife of Robert Weir Marital Status: married Occupation: Age: 30 Born: Ireland With thanks, Kaaron Mitchell

Linda, <Check also the FHL free guide to PA records for more stuff than I recall. There are wills but better than them are administrations and records for intestates because more had to be documented and discovered to process those estates.> This is something I did not know. I have wills for both my ggg-gradfather McKinney, born 1776 and was the first in my line to cross from Derry (eventually settled near Pittsburgh in 1822), and for my gg-grandfather. I do not have a will for my g-grandfather. I thought that ended everything for him and didn't look further. He died young, and his wife and kids (one of whom was my grandfather) moved from Wilkins Township to New Castle, Pa. I also found no will for her. Would the prothonotary's office or the recorder of wills office in Allegheny County be the appropriate place to look, and what would I be looking for? Tip for other searchers: Don't be afraid of the criminal courts records. Most are public. And sometimes what you find there answers more than one question. It also gives your ancestry collection tons more human color. Believe me, I know! One gg-grandfather on father's side (not a McKinney, though) was charged with bastardy and forced by a judge to marry my gg-grandma. Guess it worked. They went on to have 10 kids. Bill McKinney