My French is not so good unless I'm ordering filet mignon, so I'll pass on this. But I did want to let everyone know that the Historical Society of Western PA has the daily log from Fort Pitt in its possession as well. Fort Pitt supplanted Fort Duquesne when the British took over in 1758. It became the center of both military and commercial (i.e., trading) activity on the western frontier for decades, so there's a decent chance of finding a reference to your SI ancestors therein. I don't know if it's available online (it wasn't when I viewed it, but that was several years ago). And there are some gaps too. It should cover all the years from 1758 to about 1800 or so (I forget the exact date that it went out of service right now), but I couldn't find 1792 when I was there. Good luck. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:24 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) Hi folks, a few weeks ago we had a history lesson on Pittsburgh. Many of us didn't realize that only Indians and French lived here much before the Revolution. I found a free copy of The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) / translated, with an introductory essay and notes, by Rev. A.A. Lambing. The printed source citation is The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) / translated, with an introductory essay and notes, by Rev. A.A. Lambing. Register of Fort Duquesne 97 p. : ill. ; 32 cm. Pittsburgh, Pa. : Printed by Myers, Shinkle & Co., 1885 http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?idno=00aee8620m; view=toc;c=pitttext These are not Presbyterian baptisms but Catholic of course. Also....the text is in French. This makes searching--- and reading! a bit of a challenge. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi folks, thanks to those who posted kind things yesterday! Also I am changing my email address to lmerle@comcast.net . So if you have my old one saved, you'll need to update it. Thanks, Linda Merle

Hi Charles, There's a zillion things for IRish placenames on line. Fire up www.google.com and type in the placename. That's the fastest. Otherwise the usual websites work. They are on our webpages (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle ) and in the archives. Fianna is a place to start. www.genuki.org is always the place to start for British and Irish genealogy. PRONI is important too. But frankly, why do all this work? WHy not type in www.google.com and find it right away? That usually works. There are several subscription based Irish websites that are very useful. God forbid you have to use a real source. That would be Lewis's gazette. On CD and I think at a couple subscription website. (I donno, I got the CD!). Here's a helpful URL: http://www.domeshadowpress.com/Links.html THis one has Griffiths for free, it says: http://www.myirishancestry.com/ I just found it by searching www.google.com for Irish genealogy. ANyone know what happened to Otherdays.com??? I Used to use Griffith's there.... I'm off to register at the site above! Trust me on this one: Everything in our brains or saved in Favorites is stale. The Internet is very dynamic. Search NOW for yourself -- get the latest. See...I just found a website myself. Several listers have worked very very very hard putting up free info on the web specific to certain locales, like County Down. Check those places. Also www.ulsterancestors.com and the Ulster Historical Society's. I forget it's addy but you can google for it. There are some great website for specific locations like Ballymoney. You can find these through genuki or google. Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: charles Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:41:37 -0800 (PST) >I just discovered a Scotch-Irish ancestor's birthplace in Scotland, ca 1630, and there are a lot of place names in the article. > > Is there anything online for Irish place names? I don't want to inadvertently post anything that pertains to Scotland. > > thanks, Charles > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I just discovered a Scotch-Irish ancestor's birthplace in Scotland, ca 1630, and there are a lot of place names in the article. Is there anything online for Irish place names? I don't want to inadvertently post anything that pertains to Scotland. thanks, Charles

I have added hundreds of names to the Banbridge birth, civil and Quaker list on my website, the births for Banbridge will be finished this week' as a lot of the names were spelt as they were pronounced, it is a good idea to browse through them. and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hi, have you checked our website? I spent a number of weeks putting it together. In five minutes I'm taking a bath. Off the top of my head, all the usual stuff that is mentioned over and over in Irish genealogy courses and here. YOu can find (besides our websites) a lot of useful articles on how to do Irish genealogy at www.ancestry.com and fianna (use google....I'm going off to soak!). Probably better stuff on the website I've forgotten about. Ryan "Irish Records", Grenham's book "Tracing your Irish Ancestors", Falley "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research" and Radford and Betit's "A Genealogist's Guide for Discovering your Irish Ancestors". You can find complete reference info in our archives or by googling or checking www.genealogical.com. These books all identify additional resources. If you want to succeed -- you'll read them all. Most informed and educated instructors of Irish genealogy consider what we are trying to do (trace non-gentry before 1820) impossible. It ain't but you do got to know a lot to succeed! You gotta know what Irish genealogists know -- and more. Or they are right! You cannot bag your man. However you can get a lot of great ideas from any one of them. At least with genealogy you can learn as you go and mistakes can be corrected....unlike brain surgery <grin>. Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: RLSchind58@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:07:51 EST >In addition to this new Guide Book by Roulston, what other research books >that can be purchased do you recommend? I am ordering this book now, but the >shipping on additional books is very cheap. I thought I would at aleast order >another one at this time. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

In addition to this new Guide Book by Roulston, what other research books that can be purchased do you recommend? I am ordering this book now, but the shipping on additional books is very cheap. I thought I would at aleast order another one at this time.

I have a James Mackendree/McEndree/McIndree/Mackindre [and other spellings- abt 1720-1787] in Virginia. Other researchers have tried changing this surname to McHenry, but in all the records I've found on this family, it is a spelling variation of the names I have. Do you know of a family line, other than McHenry, this James could be connected to? Or should I be looking at McHenry research? Alice Sanders.

William J. Roulston, Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800 Belfast: Ulster Historical Foundation, 2005 ISBN 1 903688 53 1 A pedantic note: The author is Roulston. Searching for a book by Rouston might be difficult. Richard

Excellent book, get it from the Ulster Historical Foundation, Armin Gumerman researching McCausland

Linda, I got my copy from the Canadian source for my Shanks before 1767. Still reading on it. Mary Widener ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Merle" <merle@fea.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] New Guide Book by Rouston > > http://www.booksireland.org.uk/ -- also check the > archives for a thread earlier this year . I got mine from > global genealogy in Canada. Cheaper postage! > > Linda Merle > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Bill Hawkins" <thehawk@ptd.net> > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:43:12 -0500 > >>Linda wrote: A new guide just published is "Researching Scots-Irish >>Ancestors" by Rouston. >> >>Where can one purchase this Guide? >> >>Bill Hawkins >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > >

Linda wrote: A new guide just published is "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors" by Rouston. Where can one purchase this Guide? Bill Hawkins

http://www.booksireland.org.uk/ -- also check the archives for a thread earlier this year . I got mine from global genealogy in Canada. Cheaper postage! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bill Hawkins" <thehawk@ptd.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:43:12 -0500 >Linda wrote: A new guide just published is "Researching Scots-Irish >Ancestors" by Rouston. > >Where can one purchase this Guide? > >Bill Hawkins > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Linda Merle, What do you suggest about finding George McClenaghan, b. 1790 in Belfast, migrated to Prescott, Ontario, Canada in about 1817-18, married and had three children, two of whom migrated to SC, and he died in Prescott in 1832. I mean finding his parents in Ireland and so on back in time. Jane Jones

Hi Jane, You asked: >I mean >finding his parents in Ireland and so on back in time. You need to do the same things the rest of us are doing <grin>. There are some directions on our website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com . But basically, you can hire someone in Ireland to find you plenty of records for George McClenahans. The same George? A hundred different Georges? How do you expect to tell? You need some unique information about this guy, don't you? You need to find that in Canada or the USA. The courses at www.genealogy.com/university.html explain how to do migration research. It don't matter if your guy got off a spaceship -- you gotta use the same ol' records here to find out where he came from. because there ain't no records where ever. The Germans and Scandies did keep some -- but of course the port that my Germans left from was bombed and the records destroyed. Your's too! We don't have a lot of luck! I found where they came from by reading three county histories on the same county in PA. The third one had the story! Yahoo! Then we fou nd the town's name when my mother and sister visited a county library we've been haunting for 3 generations. A book fell open in front of them. They looked down. THERE IT WAS!!! THis genealogy was on their neighbors and it happened to mention where our ancestors came from. Very weird but we're not complaining. Beyond that you need to learn how to do Irish genealogy at a time when for the majority of Irish, it's impossible. If you haven't heard this before, it's a sign you need to get busting learning Irish genealogy. It's impossible for Catholics, largely because they are not likely to appear in the types of records we got in Ireland. What types are those? People are always saying "Well, I've been doing genealogy for 40 years and I traced my ancstor back to colonial times..." COOOL, but there is NO GENE for knowing how to do Irish genealogy. We all gotta learn how to do it. The first thing we should learn is it's impossible. THEN we have to learn how to 'sort through' the methodologies to do it. A new guide just published is "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors" by Rouston. He, unfortunately, is in Ulster. So you either move to Belfast to do the work or you spend your life's savings hiring soemone or you learn how to do it from here. Our archives, various websites, the LDS library, etc, ec -- that's how we do it. What religion was he? What occupation did he have? What did he do when he first came? Did he have $$$ Did he bring his wife? Did he come as a young single man? All these things help to build a profile about this man. If he could afford to lug his wife and family over, he wasn't poor. That suggests his social class and the types of records he may be in. So does all the other. You can also do the old Irish "Preliminary Report" whereby you sweep up lots of easy to get records to identify places in Ireland where there were people with your surname. Ulster Foundation will do that for a couple hundred dollars. You'll get and and say WAH! They didn't find "MY" George. Hey, they weren't trying! They absolutely could not because you didnt' give them any information to uniquely ID your George. But you can use this stuff to go deeper into estate records and local history and to read all the county deeds, all kinds of horrible things <grin> (Reading them deeds is grim......). Most people stop though. They don't know how to proceed. ANd they cannot interpret the results, so they go back to needlepoint. Like a cousin of mine. I did my own. Took me a year. At the end, I could do Irish genealogy. I had the same stuff as him, exactly. But mine didn't cost a trivial $200 (a drop in the bucket) and I knew what to do next. I think he's out golfing.... But it's always the same stuff you do. In your case you got an extra country to hope to find him in. I think in some of the Canadian censuses they ask where the person came from and some of the Irish gave the counties. Of course they are not well indexed. But ancestry is indexing the Canadian censuses. You can then use them. Whatever they charge, it'll be a pittance compared to not having any indexes like now! If you check those free courses (lemme know if you'd rather buy a book!), they will tell you they can't tell you what record will give you the clues you need. You search for ALL records. ALL. You search collatoral lines in the hope that one has a family Bible that ids their village or a family history. It's a lot like playing bingo ... maybe for a couple years, the same game....... So if you read the emails on the list you'll hear us say the same things over and over and over and over. Many of those same things are on the website and in various books that are recommended. THe same ones.... So you just have to dive in. The first few dives are never too great but you will learn as you go and it'll get easier and easier. My limited experience with early Ontario has been grim.... If he lived to be old, you are lucky. One client's ancestor died in middle age. He never told his family about himself. Geez! I could track everyone with that surname in Ontario but him. He died too young. However another family with the same surname DID come from Sligo so....maybe him too? We couldn't find a father around, so I think he came as a young man. Otherwise you find the dad on a muster list or tax roll. If he was UEL the family would probably retain that knowledge. Also look for neighbors in Canada who also are in SC -- it's not likely his kids did it alone. DId you read that email yesterday about the man who had cousins everywhere with stores? The USA was one big extended family. Only criminals came alone. That's true for yours too. One old secret : If you can't trace the target, trace the neighbors. Often works. I guess your's didn't like the cold??? Or maybe they couldn't deal with the black flies?? Hmmm.... Alligators or black flies....some choice! Anyway probably Toronto is a better place to research him, but I found a huge amount of record in Boston at NEHGS on Ontario. They have far more on Quebec of course. There are a lot of published newspaper extracts of marriages, deaths, and births, for example. Also histories of counties is as critical as it is in South Carolina. If you get stuck hire a pro in Toronto. If you need one, email me and I can ask on a pro list. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JaneSDJones@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:00:32 EST >Linda Merle, >What do you suggest about finding George McClenaghan, b. 1790 in Belfast, >migrated to Prescott, Ontario, Canada in about 1817-18, married and had three >children, two of whom migrated to SC, and he died in Prescott in 1832. I mean >finding his parents in Ireland and so on back in time. >Jane Jones > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

ditto dannye powell

Linda, Thanks for all the help on my Shanks, just got the new book of Scots-Irish research you told about. A great list to research on!! Mary Shanks Widener

Llinda who is Linda. It is that gal Merle that we owe so much to. fm

Hi, Linda. I would also like to express my appreciation for your HUGE contributions to Scots-Irish genealogy. Your info regarding the path of George Martin in the mid-1700's seems to have been the missing piece of puzzle. The SI link is the most informative and interesting on the internet (at least to me it is!). Once again, thank you. Thomas Martin

Hi Folks, I just recently joined the list and have to agree that Linda is amazing! Paul