Hi Rob, yes, people do name places after their hometowns in other states. There's a Belfast in Maine. A politican I once 'met' on the Internet in Northern Ireland regaled her listeners' with her close brush with death due to laughter. She found a sign in New Hampshire that has "Derry" in one direction and "Londonderry" in the other! I am always finding places in Western PA named after places in Eastern. I also heard of a guy who was making a pilgrimage to all the places in the USA named Dublin. LOTS of Dublins all the way to the Pacific. It's a good clue where your ancestors came from. What does this say about the settlers of the town of Mars, I wonder???? Linda -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rob Hilliard" <rhilliard@mackinengineering.com> > Linda's note below brings up an interesting situation that can be seen > repeated all over Pennsylvania (no, not the link between chewing tobacco > and cancer, although that might be worth looking into too). Her source > says: > "[William Cohoun] was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from > "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny]." > > Then: > "He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > employment." > > Now the rest of the story is that there was a small village called > Letterkenny, located just outside of Chambersburg, PA. It's now the > site of the Letterkenny Army Depot. > > Clearly this is not a coincidence. There are lots of examples of this > around the state so apparently it was a somewhat common practice, when a > group of folks from one particular town relocated together to PA, to > take the name of the Old Home Town with them and use it here. There are > dozens of Ulster town names scattered all over PA, but principally in > the south-central and western part of the state where most of the SI > first settled. > > I mention this because it may be a useful clue when trying to track down > your ancestors on either side of the pond. I'm curious, do folks see > this frequently in other states as well? > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:20 PM > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio > > Hi folks, I found this doing other research and hope someone finds this > in the archives some day. In any case, he was quite a man! The > archetypal Ulsterman. His siblings did not emigrate so perhaps his > family survives in Ireland. He was related to several prominant > families: CLARK and CULBERTSON. > > I found it at the free resource > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/ > > The Old and New Mongehela > p, 42 contains the life of William Cohoun. A lot of his experiences are > rather typical. > > He was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" > [Letterkenny] 10 Jun 1796, the son of Andrew who had been born, lived, > and died in the house. Only William emigrated. > > He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > employment. Since there were no large vessels sailing for Philly for 2 > or 3 weeks, he took what was available, to Quebec, with 3 others, on a > schooner. It's rather typical that he would take what was available. >

Hi Charles, have you read your Leyburn or those other books we mentioned? (Leyburn wrote a social history on the Scotch-irish). You can also look at our webpages (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle where there is an overview of the history of the so called Scotch-Irish and search with google. All of these will tell you the same thing: NO! Of course it's contingent by what you mean by "Scotch Irish". For an analysis of this term, check the above sources. We address it on the front page of our website. If you read it you'll find out that (obviously <grin>!) you asking if there was a large colony of Proddies, largely Presbyterians, living in Cork. A map will tell you that: NO! Scotland is next to Ulster. However Cork is the other end of Ireland. A long trek. It is true that Cromwell considered lugging their butts from Ulster (where he feared they fomented with their cuzzes over the Sheugh) to Tipperary, but he gave that idea up since, well, the Ulster Scots were a breed apart. Cromwell, to them, possessed a critical attribute that won their undivided (well...at least semi undivided) loyality: he was a Prod. Ireland is not Scotland, he learned. If you change your question to "Was there a crowd of Proddies living in Cork?" the answer is YES! There WAS! Not a huge crowd, but a sizable lot. They were not often of Scottish descent. More likely English, Irish, and German. They were also not Presbyterian (largely) but Church of Ireland and most significantly Quaker. Perhaps you slept through your Pennsylvania History class in 5th grade, like me <grin>, where maybe we would have learned that William Penn was himself a Quaker in Cork. He was also a jailbird in Cork, so he probably didn't think of it too fondly. He of course founded a free colony in the new world and gave a home to all those Quakers in Cork as well as anyone else who wanted to come. Many left before the Scotch Irish began to evacuate Ulster. In fact another sizable population of Proddies left Ireland before us: the Germans. They founded the American Methodist church in 1706. Figuring out where they were in Ireland is a little more complicated. I'd have to get a book of the shelf but my dog has crossed legs...... The things that's important to remember are: 1 There were Protestants all over Ireland. 2 They left 3 Over here we have no names for Flemmings who settled near Dublin or German Methodists from Ireland or Church of Ireland Irish, Irish whose gggggranddad was a soldier in Cromwell's army but whose ancestors married lots of Irish gals, younger sons of nobility looking for a cash cow in the new world, etc... but all them types of people, and more, left Ireland, many before the Scotch Irish. Over here, they assimilated into some group. The Irish quakers we call "Quakers"! The ones who settled in the tidewaters of Virginia we call "Virginia Planters". The ones who froze to a rock in Maine, we call "Yankees". And the ones who took the superhighway south of Cumberland, through the valleys to the back country of Virginia and the Carolinas we call "Scotch Irish". One place where the history of the larger groups is discussed as well as where to find records on them is Falley "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research". Devotes a chapter each to the Quakers, the Methodists, of course the Presbyterians, the Church of Irelanders, Baptists, etc etc. Several books have been written on Irish Quakers and a couple are on line at ancestry, so you can rather quickly to a 101, single-brain cell search for your man. However if you want to do a real search, it requires a visit to Swarthmore. My visit there resolved a number of mysteries. It also has film of both an index to and the actual records of Quakers in Ireland. They are terrible to read....Oi!! Share with us your surname. Maybe we can give you an idea about where it might be from. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: charles <jitsu93@yahoo.com> > Was there any large Scotch-Irish emigration from Co. Cork in the 1700s to the > American Colonies? > > There was a Scotch-Irish colony at Cork, (Maine) in the early 1720s that only > lasted about two or three years before being overrun. Any connection to Co. Cork > Ireland? > > thanks, Charles >

Greeting All , Any input greatly appreciated. I have 5 of the above subj. items for Daniel McKenzie which boil down to : 1) 1732 b. (christening) St, Andrew's-Rc, Aberdeen Is this a Catholic service ? 2) 1702 m. Edinburgh Wife Eupham Miller Origin & meaning of Eupham name ? Is Miller more likely Protestant or Catholic ? 3) 1702 b. (christening) St. Cuthbert's*, Edinburgh Is this likely a Catholic service ? 4) Is St. Cuthbert Parish a civil or Cath. or Prot. entity or both / all ? 5) Is St. Cuthbert Church Catholic or other ? ----------------------------------- * Catholic saint. TIA . . . all the best , Walt

Apparently I'm not that good of a reference because it took me a month to look up an answer to your question below. >Question: When did Croghan come on the scene?? According to "Pittsburgh - The Story of a City" (Baldwin, Univ. of Pittsburgh Press, 1938), Croghan already had a "plantation" (like Gist's plantation in what is now Fayette County, this was really just a rudimentary settlement of log houses) and trading post three miles up the Allegheny from the Forks of the Ohio (current Millvale/Etna) by the time George Washington first passed through the area in the fall of 1753. That seems a little odd to me since GW and Christopher Gist ended up falling in the Allegheny while trying to cross it on a makeshift raft during their return trip from Ft. LeBoeuf. If Croghan's post was that close - it was on the same side of the river - why wouldn't they have just walked one more mile and got a canoe? Doesn't make sense. At any rate, this same source says that Croghan's place was burned during Pontiac's Rebellion in 1763. I also recall that he had a rather large landholding called something like Aughwick, which was somewhere up in the Allegheny Mountains - maybe someplace near Ft. Shirley (current Shirleysburg), but I might be wrong about that. A snippet from Conrad Weiser's journal has Croghan with his trading post at Logstown (current Ambridge, PA, 20 miles further downriver) in August 1748. That Irishman apparently got around. It's been years since I read it, but I don't recall the journals from Celeron's 1749 expedition down the Allegheny and Ohio mentioning Croghan being above the Forks at that time. But I could be dead wrong about that (you'll note that I like to toss that in anytime I'm going from memory). Just to confuse the issue further, the following source has him building along the Allegheny in May 1766, which wouldn't have had him there in time for either GW or Pontiac's bonfire party: http://www.famousamericans.net/georgecroghan1782/ Go figure. Here's the Amazon.com link to Croghan's biography. I obviously haven't read it or I would already know all this, but maybe it has some answers: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0404067794/ref=cm_bg_d/103-4256596-2591 014?v=glance&n=283155 That was a long wait for nothing, now wasn't it? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:30 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Subject: History Alert and W PA geography lesson Rob, we're glad you are back and clearly you are an under utilitized resource. Question: When did Croghan come on the scene?? Anyone here descended from Christopher Gist?? There was/is a list devoted to Ulster Scots, run by a guy with a Phd. He said it was probably impossible to tell exactly how the very very Belfast-like Pittsburghese developed because Ulster Scots was influenced by German (Angles lived in Edinburgh and much of the lowlands) just like the Germans live here. I don't think they got 'chipped ham' in Belfast. But when I go there people say "Hmmm I thought WE were the only ones who said that...." a lot. I don't have a problem understanding the English. Ballymena is another problem, though. Durham, England is awful -- I needed a translater. I also met an Ulster cousin who visited Western PA. He rented a car and drove north, apparently to Butler and Beaver, not Pittsburgh...or maybe he was trying to FIND Pittsburgh.... in any case, he said it was so much like home he could not believe it. Only the flag flying on the post offices was different. I think the terraine is most like Tyrone, myself. Pittsburgh is very like Belfast as well (a crusty old industrial town). On the other hand, if you've been to Boston, you've been to Dublin! (except for the donkey carts in the middle of the streets -- my taxi driver almost bagged a donkey on the way to my hotel one trip). Maybe we should start a "Can't afford overseas? Come to Pittsburgh" campaign??? >BTW, not the first time I've heard Arnold described as a pimple - but >the other references weren't to geography. Gee thats surprising as even the drug dealers here are old. We got a Catholic church in Arnold (it was an Italian town). We don't have, within 20 miles a Unitarian church or anything more liberal than a Methodist....well, there is an Episky, but I suspect they are not Vermonters. >I know this is the case because I heard a recent radio ad for the new >store in which they mispronounced 'Tarentum' (TARE-un-tum instead of >Tah-REN-tum). A common mistake for those furriners. I find it hard to believe anyone can mispronounce the name, which shows you that I didn't talk to furriners even when I didn't live here <grin>. Now at least I know how to detect invading VIRginians (no one else ever tries to come here). Well....between no one being able to find the Walmart and their reminding us they are not local and their labor problems, a lot of people refuse to shop at it at all. Maybe Kmart WILL survive. Back to work. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Rob, Any idea who the two uncles were? I have a collateral line ancestor, Agnes THOMSON, b. 1752, Renfrew, Scotland; married to John COLHOUN/COLQUHOUN, b. 1749, Wigtown Scotland, who settled in Chambersburg, PA, and was in the "dry-goods business". A possible connection? Marybeth C. acmbjc@aol.com ============================================================== In a message dated 3/29/06 10:43:02 AM, Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio Linda's note below brings up an interesting situation that can be seen repeated all over Pennsylvania (no, not the link between chewing tobacco and cancer, although that might be worth looking into too). Her source says: "[William Cohoun] was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny]." Then: "He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find employment." --------->snip Rob >>

I have a two-volume set of "Annals of Southwest Virginia 1769-1800" for the counties of Botetourt, Fincastle, Montgomery, Washington, and Wythe. If anyone is researching those areas, I would be happy to do look-ups. There are many references to Bryan McDonald, for instance. The index is full of "Mc..." names, plus my own family lines of Duncan/Dunkin, Sharp, and Price. Alice Brook alice brook brookj40@earthlink.net

Thanks to everyone who responded; I've ordered my copy from Global Genealogy. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hawkins [mailto:thehawk@ptd.net] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:43 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] New Guide Book by Rouston Linda wrote: A new guide just published is "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors" by Rouston. Where can one purchase this Guide? Bill Hawkins

McKENZIE / MILLER ~ O'NEIL ~ SULLIVAN ~ SHEEHAN Greetings All , Any input greatly appreciated. Two of my Ire ancestors were b. in the 1840's and b. & m. civil & church records do not exist. Both did not m. in Ire and left in 1871 & 1895. Anyone with experience with lesser known records 1850(64)-95 that might yield place of origin in Ire. TIA . . . all the best , Walt Grandpa "Scot-Ulster-Irish" McKENZIE, Sr. Central NJ Shore via Boston, MA, USAmerica WaltIrish1@comcast.net

McDonald, Randell b. 1710 Old lancaster County,Pennsylvania d. 1744 Beverly Manor,orange county, va m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=43&rand=60372">Stark, Jane/jennett</A> 1730 <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bscrolltop.gif" WIDTH="205" HEIGHT="11" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="995"> Born 1710-1713.RANDELL,RANDOLPH RANDOL,RANDALL...:-) McDonald died in 1744 in Orange County Virginia which became Botetourt County Virginia in 1745.Bryan McDonald who I believe is his relative moved to Botetourt in 1745 from Newcastle,Deleware.There is a legend on pg 426 of A SEED BED OF THE REPUBLIC..EARLY BOTETOURT regarding one of the first 2 McDonald`s in Botetort being killed by INDIANS while getting water.I believe this was our Randell.Bryan Mcdonald`s genealogy has been traced back to SOM <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/#moreinfo_">...more</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bscrollbase.gif" WIDTH="205" HEIGHT="11" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1001"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=390&rand=95496">McDonald, Jane, daughter of randell</A> m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=391&rand=95496">Quinn, Patrick</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=389&rand=95496">McDonald, Randolph, born abt 1731</A> b. 1731 Beverly Manor,Va d. AugustaCo,Va <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=70&rand=95496">McDonald, Sarah, born 1735</A> b. 1735 Beverly Manor,Virginia m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=72&rand=95496">Skidmore, James</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=18&rand=95496">McDonald, Alexander, born 1736 -died 1811</A> b. 1736 (ORANGE)Botetourt County,Virginia d. Jun 09 1811 h jefferson County,Tennesee m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=36&rand=95496">Harrison, Margaret</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=67&rand=95496">McDonald, MARGARET, Born 1742</A> b. 1742 beverly Manor Virginia m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=68&rand=95496">Fowler, John</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/blid.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="890"> <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=69&rand=95496">McDonald, Mary, born 1744</A> b. 1744 Beverly Manor,Virginia m. <A HREF="http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bigokieguy&view=0&pid=71&rand=95496">Patterson, William</A> <IMG SRC="http://www1.tribalpages.com/images/bbase.gif" WIDTH="177" HEIGHT="6" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="942"> About McDonald, Randell Born 1710-1713.RANDELL,RANDOLPH RANDOL,RANDALL...:-) McDonald died in 1744 in Orange County Virginia which became Botetourt County Virginia in 1745.Bryan McDonald who I believe is his relative moved to Botetourt in 1745 from Newcastle,Deleware.There is a legend on pg 426 of A SEED BED OF THE REPUBLIC..EARLY BOTETOURT regarding one of the first 2 McDonald`s in Botetort being killed by INDIANS while getting water.I believe this was our Randell.Bryan Mcdonald`s genealogy has been traced back to SOMERLED.The McDonald killed(RANDELL) was looking for a homesite for his family members.Bryan McDonald built a famous Botetourt home near (Randell`s) burial place.Randolph (Randell) had 6 children. My family tradition has 3 brotherscoming to America from county Cork to Charleston.This is very curious since my brick wall is Randell McDonald who was from Lancaster county.

Having had occasion to frequent the town of Mars and meet its inhabitants, I think any conclusions you draw will be pretty accurate. On the other hand, Intercourse, PA is where I've always wanted to live. As the local saying goes, you have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise (check a map to get this joke). -----Original Message----- From: lmerle@comcast.net [mailto:lmerle@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:24 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio Hi Rob, yes, people do name places after their hometowns in other states. There's a Belfast in Maine. A politican I once 'met' on the Internet in Northern Ireland regaled her listeners' with her close brush with death due to laughter. She found a sign in New Hampshire that has "Derry" in one direction and "Londonderry" in the other! I am always finding places in Western PA named after places in Eastern. I also heard of a guy who was making a pilgrimage to all the places in the USA named Dublin. LOTS of Dublins all the way to the Pacific. It's a good clue where your ancestors came from. What does this say about the settlers of the town of Mars, I wonder???? Linda

My family came from a town called Ballymoney. so far i have not come across that repeated. but, i sure could one day. jean cihal tomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hilliard" <rhilliard@mackinengineering.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio Having had occasion to frequent the town of Mars and meet its inhabitants, I think any conclusions you draw will be pretty accurate. On the other hand, Intercourse, PA is where I've always wanted to live. As the local saying goes, you have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise (check a map to get this joke). -----Original Message----- From: lmerle@comcast.net [mailto:lmerle@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:24 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio Hi Rob, yes, people do name places after their hometowns in other states. There's a Belfast in Maine. A politican I once 'met' on the Internet in Northern Ireland regaled her listeners' with her close brush with death due to laughter. She found a sign in New Hampshire that has "Derry" in one direction and "Londonderry" in the other! I am always finding places in Western PA named after places in Eastern. I also heard of a guy who was making a pilgrimage to all the places in the USA named Dublin. LOTS of Dublins all the way to the Pacific. It's a good clue where your ancestors came from. What does this say about the settlers of the town of Mars, I wonder???? Linda

Robert, Where did you find the list of passengers on the "Earl of Hillsborough"? Thanks, Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <rsroon@aol.com> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:02 PM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] McBride of County Down and Charleston, SC > > >> I have just found a list of passengers on the "Earl of Hillsborough" >> that departed Belfast on Christmas Eve 1766 and arrived in >> Charleston, SC in 1767. Included in that list was Alexander McBride, >> who was granted 300 acres, his wife Mary age 33 and sons James age 8 >> and Andrew age 3. According to James McBride's tombstone in St. >> Michael's church yard in Charleston he was born in Newry in Ireland >> abt 1759. His wife's name was also Mary. The immigration list >> indicated that they were "poor irish protestants". Anyone with any >> ideas on tracking down the McBrides in the area around County Down >> and Newry would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Robert Missroon >> Rsroon@aol.com >> Savannah, GA >> >> > > > Carol Cole Renfro 5931 West Avenue Lavonia, Georgia (706) 356-1254

Robert, MacBride and/ or McBryde was not terribly common in the Montgomery or Hamilton Plantations, later County Down. However, there is one family of McBydes (Irish) with 7 family members listed in the Census of 1659 for County Down, Barony of Lecale. It does not breakout any Irish by family/ name between the 11 parrishes in this Barony, only certain English and Scots. You could get better information, especially on any Irish, by researching Parrish Registers for Downe, Baltee, Bright, Killmeagan, Rathmullen & Tireleagh, Torelagh, Dunsford, Ards or Ardglass, Killcliff, Inch, and Balycutter Parrishes which make up this Barony. There are also one family each with 5 members of McBride/ McBryd in County Antrim, Barony of Massareene as well as County Antrim/ Belfast, Barony of Dunluce Carry and Kilconrie on the compiled Census of 1659. As I said, the name is not common in the North (Ulster) but very common certain areas of the South - only 3 families appear in all of Down and Antrim in 1659 that I can find on a quick search. Another word of caution, it is not uncommon for persons to be listed against the final Port of Call/ Embarkation when taking the boat over as well. I have cases where family left Antrim boardbing in Larne and Belfast but the manifest showed up on a ship departing Dublin for Philadelphia. The ships made multiple stops per requests of Patrons/ Landowners or to get a complete "load". Not unlike many of our LTL truckers today. However, there was a steady stream of ships direct from Ulster to the Carolinas during the period you mention including groups under Reverands Martin and Boyd to name a couple. Hope this helps. Chuck Shaw ----- Original Message ----- From: <rsroon@aol.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] McBride of County Down and Charleston, SC >I have just found a list of passengers on the "Earl of Hillsborough" that >departed Belfast on Christmas Eve 1766 and arrived in Charleston, SC in >1767. Included in that list was Alexander McBride, who was granted 300 >acres, his wife Mary age 33 and sons James age 8 and Andrew age 3. >According to James McBride's tombstone in St. Michael's church yard in >Charleston he was born in Newry in Ireland abt 1759. His wife's name was >also Mary. The immigration list indicated that they were "poor irish >protestants". Anyone with any ideas on tracking down the McBrides in the >area around County Down and Newry would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert Missroon > Rsroon@aol.com > Savannah, GA >

Hi Linda: I have Falley's book on Irish and Scot-Irish research--that's where I'm getting some of my information. I think I might need the Ulster Scot surname book. I have two ancestral branches who were in Maine in the early 1700s and I've been looking for them for quite awhile. I have seen two instances where Scotch-Irish people went to Maine from Pennsylvania and there may have been more. And there were some that went from New England to Penn. This in the 1700s. On one of your web sites there is a mention of "McCoun" being mentioned from Worcester Co., Massachusetts in the early 1700s. McCoun, is phonetically one of the families I am researching with very little success in Worcester Co, I can't even find anything on the Scotch-Irish in that area. My other brick wall is Hugh Holmes, Scotch-Irish descent from Newcastle, Maine, early to mid 1700s. This family may have been on the 5th ship that went to Maine 1718, OR, his family may have come over with Capt. Robert Temple or Gen. Samuel Waldo. thanks, Charles lmerle@comcast.net wrote: Hi Charles, have you read your Leyburn or those other books we mentioned? (Leyburn wrote a social history on the Scotch-irish). You can also look at our webpages (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle where there is an overview of the history of the so called Scotch-Irish and search with google.

Linda's note below brings up an interesting situation that can be seen repeated all over Pennsylvania (no, not the link between chewing tobacco and cancer, although that might be worth looking into too). Her source says: "[William Cohoun] was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny]." Then: "He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find employment." Now the rest of the story is that there was a small village called Letterkenny, located just outside of Chambersburg, PA. It's now the site of the Letterkenny Army Depot. Clearly this is not a coincidence. There are lots of examples of this around the state so apparently it was a somewhat common practice, when a group of folks from one particular town relocated together to PA, to take the name of the Old Home Town with them and use it here. There are dozens of Ulster town names scattered all over PA, but principally in the south-central and western part of the state where most of the SI first settled. I mention this because it may be a useful clue when trying to track down your ancestors on either side of the pond. I'm curious, do folks see this frequently in other states as well? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:20 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio Hi folks, I found this doing other research and hope someone finds this in the archives some day. In any case, he was quite a man! The archetypal Ulsterman. His siblings did not emigrate so perhaps his family survives in Ireland. He was related to several prominant families: CLARK and CULBERTSON. I found it at the free resource http://digital.library.pitt.edu/ The Old and New Mongehela p, 42 contains the life of William Cohoun. A lot of his experiences are rather typical. He was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny] 10 Jun 1796, the son of Andrew who had been born, lived, and died in the house. Only William emigrated. He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find employment. Since there were no large vessels sailing for Philly for 2 or 3 weeks, he took what was available, to Quebec, with 3 others, on a schooner. It's rather typical that he would take what was available.

Was there any large Scotch-Irish emigration from Co. Cork in the 1700s to the American Colonies? There was a Scotch-Irish colony at Cork, (Maine) in the early 1720s that only lasted about two or three years before being overrun. Any connection to Co. Cork Ireland? thanks, Charles

I have just found a list of passengers on the "Earl of Hillsborough" that departed Belfast on Christmas Eve 1766 and arrived in Charleston, SC in 1767. Included in that list was Alexander McBride, who was granted 300 acres, his wife Mary age 33 and sons James age 8 and Andrew age 3. According to James McBride's tombstone in St. Michael's church yard in Charleston he was born in Newry in Ireland abt 1759. His wife's name was also Mary. The immigration list indicated that they were "poor irish protestants". Anyone with any ideas on tracking down the McBrides in the area around County Down and Newry would be greatly appreciated. Robert Missroon Rsroon@aol.com Savannah, GA

Hi, It was interesting that McBride were from County Down, as my Shanks were also, on that ship on that trip. I know there were Shanks in County Down as well as in Antrim Co. my problem is finding my Shanks source before the trip to Charleston, S. C. Mary Widener ----- Original Message ----- From: <rsroon@aol.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] McBride of County Down and Charleston, SC >I have just found a list of passengers on the "Earl of Hillsborough" that >departed Belfast on Christmas Eve 1766 and arrived in Charleston, SC in >1767. Included in that list was Alexander McBride, who was granted 300 >acres, his wife Mary age 33 and sons James age 8 and Andrew age 3. >According to James McBride's tombstone in St. Michael's church yard in >Charleston he was born in Newry in Ireland abt 1759. His wife's name was >also Mary. The immigration list indicated that they were "poor irish >protestants". Anyone with any ideas on tracking down the McBrides in the >area around County Down and Newry would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert Missroon > Rsroon@aol.com > Savannah, GA > >

Gee Rob, thanks for the lead. It seems to have: Baynton, Wharton and Morgan (Firm : Philadelphia). Baynton, Wharton and Morgan Company daybook and Fort Pitt store records [microfilm] 1765-1772, 1779-1865 1765-1767, 1779-1781 More Book Baynton, Wharton and Morgan (Firm : Philadelphia). Baynton, Wharton and Morgan Company daybook [manuscript] 1765-1772 1765-1767 More Collection Fort Pitt (Pa.) Fort Pitt store records [manuscript] 1779-1865 91779-1781)(1819-1865) More Collection Graham, George K., 1840- I don't see that these are on line. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rob Hilliard" <rhilliard@mackinengineering.com> > My French is not so good unless I'm ordering filet mignon, so I'll pass > on this. But I did want to let everyone know that the Historical > Society of Western PA has the daily log from Fort Pitt in its possession > as well. Fort Pitt supplanted Fort Duquesne when the British took over > in 1758. It became the center of both military and commercial (i.e., > trading) activity on the western frontier for decades, so there's a > decent chance of finding a reference to your SI ancestors therein. > > I don't know if it's available online (it wasn't when I viewed it, but > that was several years ago). And there are some gaps too. It should > cover all the years from 1758 to about 1800 or so (I forget the exact > date that it went out of service right now), but I couldn't find 1792 > when I was there. > > Good luck. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:24 PM > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Sc-Ir] The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, > 1754, to Dec. 1756) > > Hi folks, a few weeks ago we had a history lesson on Pittsburgh. Many of > us didn't realize that only Indians and French lived here much before > the Revolution. > > I found a free copy of The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from > June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) / translated, with an introductory essay and > notes, by Rev. A.A. Lambing. > > The printed source citation is > The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) > / translated, with an introductory essay and notes, by Rev. A.A. > Lambing. > Register of Fort Duquesne > 97 p. : ill. ; 32 cm. > Pittsburgh, Pa. : Printed by Myers, Shinkle & Co., 1885 > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-idx?idno=00aee8620m; > view=toc;c=pitttext > > These are not Presbyterian baptisms but Catholic of course. > Also....the text is in French. This makes searching--- and reading! a > bit of a challenge. > > Linda Merle > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > >

Mas oui. -----Original Message----- From: lmerle@comcast.net [mailto:lmerle@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:52 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] The baptismal register of Fort Duquesne, (from June, 1754, to Dec. 1756) Gee Rob, thanks for the lead. It seems to have: Baynton, Wharton and Morgan (Firm : Philadelphia). Baynton, Wharton and Morgan Company daybook and Fort Pitt store records [microfilm] 1765-1772, 1779-1865 1765-1767, 1779-1781 More Book Baynton, Wharton and Morgan (Firm : Philadelphia). Baynton, Wharton and Morgan Company daybook [manuscript] 1765-1772 1765-1767 More Collection Fort Pitt (Pa.) Fort Pitt store records [manuscript] 1779-1865 91779-1781)(1819-1865) More Collection Graham, George K., 1840- I don't see that these are on line. Linda Merle