Scots OPRs are records of Church of Scotland births, marriages and occasionally deaths. Only rarely do they contain records of Catholic, Episcopalian or other denominations. St Cuthberts is a parish in the centre of Edinburgh. If your data is from the Scots OPRs then these are almost certainly protestant records. Craig Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V06 #68

Would the surname of McFall come over from Scotland. Or would the spelling be Mac Fall if so . There are soo many different spellings i dont really know how my ancesters wrote it . It was Mcfall on the boat over here from Londondery Ire. in 1893. All i have is a dennis an edward McFall thank you margaret

Hi John, they also named their farms in Pennsylvania. The big estates in the UK had names, so I think our ancestors, at long last able to buy land, were emulating the nobility. My John Anderson named his land in Westmoreland County "Anderson's Delight". We often get this idea (maybe from reading Leyburn?? <grin>) that our Irish ancestors were all farming 5 acres off somewheres. Not always true. In Ulster the Scots formed the middle class. Though everyone farmed a bit (the supermarket was too far away and poorly stocked), they often worked a trade (which made them middle class): blacksmithing, stoneworking, etc. Every village needed a few of these but none needed 8 so the children often moved after being apprenticed. There are apprenticeship records but I beleive they are in Salt Lake and London so we of course never find or use them. (I learned about them at a lecture of the British Isles Family History Society USA). Many Protestants were merchants. These often lived near ports. Maybe that's why your ancestors were in Waterford: somehow connected with the trade. Larger tradesmen had links ALL over not only the British Isles but beyond. See the archives for John BLACK, the merchant of Belfast. He imported wine and maintained an office in Spain, if my memory does not fail me. So these guys 'got around'. They also 'got around' in the colonies. Think your man came from Ireland? Maybe he came from the West Indies. Maybe he installed a son in every port on the eastern seaboard to expand his empire. Cromwell completed the dispossession of several types of people in the 1650s. One BIG target for him were the "Old English", people who had settled in Ireland in Elizabeth times and were often Catholics. They were also royalists in the British Civil War and therefor his enemies. Some were Protestant. He also targetted Gaelic Irish landowners, who were often Catholic, as well as the very large and prosperous Irish middle class. Every town in Ireland had them and while in some they were largely of English descent (Sligo, I think), in many they were Irish and Catholic. Many of these dispossessed families went willingly or otherwise to the West Indies where they set up shop again. At the time of the Restoration in the 1670s some came back but many continued making money in the West Indies, relying on their network of friends, often in all the colonies in the Eastern Seaboard. Some were Catholic but many, by 1760 a hundred years out of Ireland, were at least nominally Protestant. Some of them assimilated into "Scotch Irish" in the American South. Cromwell also settled his army, the first standing army in Britain, ever, in Ireland since if he left those boys back into England when he had no money to pay them, they were likely to unseat him. He paid them in Irish acres. Many, some say most, sold those acres and took a boat to the West Indies and other colonies. So some of our folk were only Irish when in the army. But they did leave from Ireland. The ones who stayed had no choice but to marry a cute local Irish girl. Their grandchildren were almost inevitably Catholic and could not speak English. They'd assimilated into the Irish nation. Many a fine Irishman descends from an Englishman (and a huge lot of the English have an Irishman in their tree too!). Just trying to expand our rather simplistic views of our ancestors. I might add that some of our ancestors were shanghaied as youngsters and hauled unwillingly to the West Indies and the colonial mainlands to serve as prostitutes and servants. If you take a wee lad or gal out of his/her home and they spend the rest of their lives surrounded by Established Church people and have no permission let alone ability to attend a non existing Catholic or Presbyterian church, what do you have? You have a conformer whose ancestors were Catholic or Presbyterian (etc). He did what the Scots of New England did: Married the daughters of their enslavers and assimilated into Tidewater Planter or Yankee or Quaker, etc. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Polk" <jfpolk@earthlink.net> > Rob - > > It happened a lot in Maryland because of the happy practice of patentee's > giving names to their land tracts. All of the original tracts surveyed in > Maryland in colonial times, be they 50 or 5000 acres, were given a name by > the person requesting the survey. There are thousands and thousands of > these with an endless variety of names chosen, some humorous (Fat Arse > Quarter, Eunochs Delight, James Triumph over his Adversary, Franklins > Oyster Haven, Bite Me Slyly, Bugs Hole Marsh), some descriptive (Flat Land, > White Oak Swamp, Rattlesnake Ridge, Prickly Pear Island, Between the > Branches), some philosophical (Batchelors Folly, Littleworth, Beginning of > Sorrow (six years after, and next to, Beginning of Content), Laws Last > Chance, Worst is Past, Purgatory). The foregoing all come just from > Somerset County, Maryland, which is my main concentration. > > Among them there was also a good scattering of names that harken back to > the settler's origin in the ould country, be it England, Scotland or Wales. > There are Corks, Dublins, Belfasts and Derrys, and Coleraine and Glasgow, > but many minor townlands as well. I mentioned some Ulter-Scot names in an > earlier note - Ballybugin, Castle Finn, Ballendrait, Dennigal, Clonlett and > Ballyshannon. > > My own family's first tracts were Polks Folly and Forlorne Hope, found in > the area of Damn Quarter, in the lee of Devils Island. These didn't seem to > portend well for their future prospects. Surprisingly - apropos the issue > of Ulsterites heading to the South of Ireland - two of the next generation > Polks chose the names Clonmel and Ballyhack for the first lands that they > patented. These are in the South of Ireland, not Cork, but in nearby > Waterford, and seems to indicate that the family had a sojourn there after > leaving Donegal, but before heading for America. My conjecture is that the > sons were born in those places and chose the names for that reason, but for > now this is just an unanswered question. There was a thriving colony of > Huguenots in Clonmel and there was a natural affinity between the > Presbyterian Ulster Scots and the Huguenots, so it makes sense. > > John Polk > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Rob Hilliard > > To: > > Date: 3/29/2006 7:52:58 AM > > Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio > > > > Linda's note below brings up an interesting situation that can be seen > > repeated all over Pennsylvania (no, not the link between chewing tobacco > > and cancer, although that might be worth looking into too). Her source > > says: > > "[William Cohoun] was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from > > "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny]." > > > > Then: > > "He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > > employment." > > > > Now the rest of the story is that there was a small village called > > Letterkenny, located just outside of Chambersburg, PA. It's now the > > site of the Letterkenny Army Depot. > > > > Clearly this is not a coincidence. There are lots of examples of this > > around the state so apparently it was a somewhat common practice, when a > > group of folks from one particular town relocated together to PA, to > > take the name of the Old Home Town with them and use it here. There are > > dozens of Ulster town names scattered all over PA, but principally in > > the south-central and western part of the state where most of the SI > > first settled. > > > > I mention this because it may be a useful clue when trying to track down > > your ancestors on either side of the pond. I'm curious, do folks see > > this frequently in other states as well? > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:20 PM > > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio > > > > Hi folks, I found this doing other research and hope someone finds this > > in the archives some day. In any case, he was quite a man! The > > archetypal Ulsterman. His siblings did not emigrate so perhaps his > > family survives in Ireland. He was related to several prominant > > families: CLARK and CULBERTSON. > > > > I found it at the free resource > > > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/ > > > > The Old and New Mongehela > > p, 42 contains the life of William Cohoun. A lot of his experiences are > > rather typical. > > > > He was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" > > [Letterkenny] 10 Jun 1796, the son of Andrew who had been born, lived, > > and died in the house. Only William emigrated. > > > > He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > > employment. Since there were no large vessels sailing for Philly for 2 > > or 3 weeks, he took what was available, to Quebec, with 3 others, on a > > schooner. It's rather typical that he would take what was available. > > > > > > --- John Polk > --- Havre de Grace MD > --- jfpolk@earthlink.net > > > >

Hi Linda, Thanks very much for the help very informative and very interesting, you said "Irish genealogy is not for the faint hearted", I agree and I was starting to get discouraged, I have found tracing my Scottish ancestors a relative breeze compared to my Irish ancestors. You are right about there being a large community of Irish Catholics in Govan (still there), my ancestors where Catholics just as I am and still living in Govan. Thanks again Linda for your help, If you have any more info that would help I would be grateful as you seem well informed on the subject matter. Colin -------------- Original message -------------- From "Linda Meryl" Hi Colin, There are plenty of parish records before 1864. That's the data civil registration (not parish records) started. I'm thinking you are in Scotland or England. Ireland's different. For starters, there's various types of parish records. When Protestantism was introduced into Ireland in I think it was the 1530s, the reformed state church took over the old parish system that had existed since, Lordy, who knows!! Before Records! We do have some records of some back into the 900s, I believe, at least. So just as in England and Scotland, the government attempted to use these parishes as part of the goverment for the purposes of poor relief, etc. It didn't work. The problem was that almost no one was Church of Ireland. You had Catholics (off worshipping at the Mass rocks) and the Presbyterians (off listening to very long sermons in fields) as well as the Quakers (doing Quakery things), etc. Then the church became separated from the gov, which set up functional things like poor law unions and civil registration. Those parishes became known as "Civil Parishes". The Church of Ireland records correspond to them. Most all would be older than 1865 but for a fire in 1922 which destroyed up to a third. Not such a big loss as fewer people were in them than you'd think. Then when the Catholic Church reorganized, it formed new parishes. These new parishes are more representative of population density. So sometimes you have one archaic Civil Parish and three Catholic parishes. Presbyterians were not in parishes. They are in parishes only in Scotland. Otherwise they are congregational, meaning they can to go any church they please. If they hate the one close, they go to another. So are you looking for Catholic parish records or Church of Ireland or congregational Presbyterian ones? The Scottish civil registration will tell you that. Check the marriage certificate. Govan was a very very very popular destination for Irish. A huge population of Catholics there in the 1800s. I donno, maybe you'rs were Protestant. If not, you're in the wrong place. You've found your way to the one Irish list on the planet that focuses on Protestants and ignores Catholics. You can probably find soemone on a Monaghan list who has memorized all the Catholic parish records <grin>! Scotch-Irish doesn't mean "sometimes Scots and sometimes Irish". Its the name of an American ethnic group. You know, the Prods to the north! However you check a book by Ryan called "Irish Records". It has the dates for every baptism and marriage record in Monaghan by (alas) parish. It lists the Church of Ireland. Many of them are locally held. Clones survive from 1829. Ardagh is lost. Some are indexed by Monaghan Ancestry, like Ballybay (births in 1831). It has Roman Catholic parishes. Most of the Catholic records are indexed by Monaghan Ancestry. As usual they start in the early 1800s. Here's Drumsnat, from 1836. A few start late, like Kelleevan (1871). Consider contacting Monaghan Ancestry (I'd google them) . When this book was published, they'd indexed over half the Catholic records, a few of the CHurch of Ireland ones, and all griffith's Valuation and the Tithe Applotments. They also got school attendence records and estate records collected since 1952 by the Clogher Historical Society. They'll charge you something to run your names through their database or whatever. It's your best bang for the buck. INSIST on knowing what records exactly are in their database. Then using a copy of Ryan "Irish records", cross those off! they checked them. Then if you need to check the rest, you will have already gotten an idea from the Tithe Applotment and Griffiths -- so you will either need to order some film from LDS or hire someone to go check them. Or try writing a letter. Put in some money....it really helps. Or hire someone. Also pick up a copy of Grenham's "tracing your Irish ancestors" Irish genealogy is not for the faint hearted. You gotta learn a lot of strange things to succeed. Otherwise you just run around asking "What's a townland"? And people say "like a balleboe only different"....sadists!! Linda Merle

Dear BB: Is it possible for you to look for the death record of SAMUEL KALMAN? Wife: Ida. He lived in Roxbury, MA. He died somewhere between 1942-1948. Barb

It's a parish. (I do not have a list of towns in Monaghan....maybe it's a town too, who know?) How could we tell you if the surname GETTY is in the parish records? Some of them are locally held. We'd have to go beg the priest to let us look at the registers. You'd best hire Robert!! (OH,.....see me for a special deal on Tarot readings on Irish church records <grin> I wonder if that would work???!!! I could make a FORTUNE if it did!! I might even be able to find my OWN ancestors!!) Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> > Hi, > > Is Ballibay a town or a parish in County Monaghan? My GETTY family > emigrated from there in 1764 to Washington County, New York. Are there any > parish registers for GETTY in Monaghan? > > Thanks, > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ulster Ancestry [mailto:ulsterancestry@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:58 PM > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Monaghan Parishes > > Hello Colin. > > Which Parish registers in County Monaghan do you need dates for? > > Regards > Robert > > >

Hi Robert, They are Killeevan, Magheross and Aghabog. Thanks. Colin

Hi Colin, There are plenty of parish records before 1864. That's the data civil registration (not parish records) started. I'm thinking you are in Scotland or England. Ireland's different. For starters, there's various types of parish records. When Protestantism was introduced into Ireland in I think it was the 1530s, the reformed state church took over the old parish system that had existed since, Lordy, who knows!! Before Records! We do have some records of some back into the 900s, I believe, at least. So just as in England and Scotland, the government attempted to use these parishes as part of the goverment for the purposes of poor relief, etc. It didn't work. The problem was that almost no one was Church of Ireland. You had Catholics (off worshipping at the Mass rocks) and the Presbyterians (off listening to very long sermons in fields) as well as the Quakers (doing Quakery things), etc. Then the church became separated from the gov, which set up functional things like poor law unions and civil registration. Those parishes became known as "Civil Parishes". The Church of Ireland records correspond to them. Most all would be older than 1865 but for a fire in 1922 which destroyed up to a third. Not such a big loss as fewer people were in them than you'd think. Then when the Catholic Church reorganized, it formed new parishes. These new parishes are more representative of population density. So sometimes you have one archaic Civil Parish and three Catholic parishes. Presbyterians were not in parishes. They are in parishes only in Scotland. Otherwise they are congregational, meaning they can to go any church they please. If they hate the one close, they go to another. So are you looking for Catholic parish records or Church of Ireland or congregational Presbyterian ones? The Scottish civil registration will tell you that. Check the marriage certificate. Govan was a very very very popular destination for Irish. A huge population of Catholics there in the 1800s. I donno, maybe you'rs were Protestant. If not, you're in the wrong place. You've found your way to the one Irish list on the planet that focuses on Protestants and ignores Catholics. You can probably find soemone on a Monaghan list who has memorized all the Catholic parish records <grin>! Scotch-Irish doesn't mean "sometimes Scots and sometimes Irish". Its the name of an American ethnic group. You know, the Prods to the north! However you check a book by Ryan called "Irish Records". It has the dates for every baptism and marriage record in Monaghan by (alas) parish. It lists the Church of Ireland. Many of them are locally held. Clones survive from 1829. Ardagh is lost. Some are indexed by Monaghan Ancestry, like Ballybay (births in 1831). It has Roman Catholic parishes. Most of the Catholic records are indexed by Monaghan Ancestry. As usual they start in the early 1800s. Here's Drumsnat, from 1836. A few start late, like Kelleevan (1871). Consider contacting Monaghan Ancestry (I'd google them) . When this book was published, they'd indexed over half the Catholic records, a few of the CHurch of Ireland ones, and all griffith's Valuation and the Tithe Applotments. They also got school attendence records and estate records collected since 1952 by the Clogher Historical Society. They'll charge you something to run your names through their database or whatever. It's your best bang for the buck. INSIST on knowing what records exactly are in their database. Then using a copy of Ryan "Irish records", cross those off! they checked them. Then if you need to check the rest, you will have already gotten an idea from the Tithe Applotment and Griffiths -- so you will either need to order some film from LDS or hire someone to go check them. Or try writing a letter. Put in some money....it really helps. Or hire someone. Also pick up a copy of Grenham's "tracing your Irish ancestors" Irish genealogy is not for the faint hearted. You gotta learn a lot of strange things to succeed. Otherwise you just run around asking "What's a townland"? And people say "like a balleboe only different"....sadists!! Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Colin Quigley" <colin@quigs.co.uk> > Hi All > I am researching the Quigley family from County Monaghan, Ireland. James Quigley > born 1851 moved here to Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married Ellen Furrey on > 23 Nov 1876 in Govan, Lanarkshire and he had at least 4 siblings: Catherine Ann > 1852 , Edward 1855, Bridget 1858 and John 1861. Their parents where John Quigley > & Ellen Ward. > > I am trying to find which parish in Co. Monaghan they where all born, I went to > Dublin to the Registers Office but as they where all born before 1864 I had no > success in finding them. > > Any help of any kind would be much appreciated. > > Colin >

Hello Colin. Griffith's Valuation records 5 John Quigleys c1858-1860 John Quigley Drumbrean Aghabog John Quigley Rossnaglogh East Aghabog John Quigley Crossreagh Killeevan John Quigley Lisnagore Killeevan John Quigley Drummond Otra Magheross You haven't mentioned a religious denomination so I have listed all. The following are available as public records For Catholic Registers after 1881 you must write directly to the Parish Priest AGHABOG, CO. MONAGHAN C.I. Aghabog (Clogher diocese) [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin] Baptisms, 1877-1979; marriages, 1845-1953; preachers’ book, 1907-27. MIC/1/131; DIO/2/11/4 Burials, 1878-; vestry minutes, 1814-. In local custody C.I. Newbliss [Formed out of Aghabog and Killeevan parishes - see under KILLEEVAN] P. Drumkeen Baptisms, 1856-1981; marriages, 1845-1956. MIC/1P/174 R.C. [Aghabog parish forms part of Killeevan Roman Catholic parish - see under KILLEEVAN] KILLEEVAN, CO. MONAGHAN C.I. Killeevan (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1811-1982; marriages, 1811-1930; burials, 1812-1983; vestry minutes, 1888-1920; district register, 1876-80; general register, 1880-1904; register of vestrymen, 1890-1904. MIC/1/154 C.I. Newbliss (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1841-; marriages, 1880-; burials, 1837-; preachers’ books, 1852-. In local custody P. Newbliss Baptisms, 1856-1984; marriages, 1845-1923. MIC/1P/275 R.C. Killeevan (Newbliss) (Clogher diocese) [Includes also Aghabog parish] Baptisms, 1871-81; marriages, 1871-81. MIC/1D/20 MAGHEROSS, CO. MONAGHAN C.I. Ardragh (St Patrick’s) (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1865-71; marriages, 1869-1942; burials, 1869-1984. MIC/1/172 C.I. Carrickmacross or Magheross (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1796-1984; marriages, 1798-1920; burials, 1798-1983; preachers’ books, 1834-75; accounts, 1825-36; clothing fund book, 1859-82; poor collection and expenditure book, 1852-70; notes on parishioners, 1883-1910. MIC/1/173 Minute book of Carrickmacross Men’s Society, 1910-14, continued as a rector’s visitation book, 1915-42. D/2222/9 P. Corvalley or Carrickmaclin Baptisms, 1832-1955; marriages, 1838-1955; session minutes, 1848-84. MIC/1P/214 R.C. Machaire Rois (Carrickmacross) (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1858-70 and 1878-80; marriages, 1838-44 and 1858-81. MIC/1D/21 Hope this hepls you out regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com >From: "Colin Quigley" <colin@quigs.co.uk> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Sc-Ir] Quigley & Co. Monaghan >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:53:24 +0100 > >Hi All >I am researching the Quigley family from County Monaghan, Ireland. James >Quigley born 1851 moved here to Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married >Ellen Furrey on 23 Nov 1876 in Govan, Lanarkshire and he had at least 4 >siblings: Catherine Ann 1852 , Edward 1855, Bridget 1858 and John 1861. >Their parents where John Quigley & Ellen Ward. > >I am trying to find which parish in Co. Monaghan they where all born, I >went to Dublin to the Registers Office but as they where all born before >1864 I had no success in finding them. > >Any help of any kind would be much appreciated. > >Colin > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

Rob - It happened a lot in Maryland because of the happy practice of patentee's giving names to their land tracts. All of the original tracts surveyed in Maryland in colonial times, be they 50 or 5000 acres, were given a name by the person requesting the survey. There are thousands and thousands of these with an endless variety of names chosen, some humorous (Fat Arse Quarter, Eunochs Delight, James Triumph over his Adversary, Franklins Oyster Haven, Bite Me Slyly, Bugs Hole Marsh), some descriptive (Flat Land, White Oak Swamp, Rattlesnake Ridge, Prickly Pear Island, Between the Branches), some philosophical (Batchelors Folly, Littleworth, Beginning of Sorrow (six years after, and next to, Beginning of Content), Laws Last Chance, Worst is Past, Purgatory). The foregoing all come just from Somerset County, Maryland, which is my main concentration. Among them there was also a good scattering of names that harken back to the settler's origin in the ould country, be it England, Scotland or Wales. There are Corks, Dublins, Belfasts and Derrys, and Coleraine and Glasgow, but many minor townlands as well. I mentioned some Ulter-Scot names in an earlier note - Ballybugin, Castle Finn, Ballendrait, Dennigal, Clonlett and Ballyshannon. My own family's first tracts were Polks Folly and Forlorne Hope, found in the area of Damn Quarter, in the lee of Devils Island. These didn't seem to portend well for their future prospects. Surprisingly - apropos the issue of Ulsterites heading to the South of Ireland - two of the next generation Polks chose the names Clonmel and Ballyhack for the first lands that they patented. These are in the South of Ireland, not Cork, but in nearby Waterford, and seems to indicate that the family had a sojourn there after leaving Donegal, but before heading for America. My conjecture is that the sons were born in those places and chose the names for that reason, but for now this is just an unanswered question. There was a thriving colony of Huguenots in Clonmel and there was a natural affinity between the Presbyterian Ulster Scots and the Huguenots, so it makes sense. John Polk > [Original Message] > From: Rob Hilliard <rhilliard@mackinengineering.com> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/29/2006 7:52:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio > > Linda's note below brings up an interesting situation that can be seen > repeated all over Pennsylvania (no, not the link between chewing tobacco > and cancer, although that might be worth looking into too). Her source > says: > "[William Cohoun] was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from > "Letter-Keeney" [Letterkenny]." > > Then: > "He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > employment." > > Now the rest of the story is that there was a small village called > Letterkenny, located just outside of Chambersburg, PA. It's now the > site of the Letterkenny Army Depot. > > Clearly this is not a coincidence. There are lots of examples of this > around the state so apparently it was a somewhat common practice, when a > group of folks from one particular town relocated together to PA, to > take the name of the Old Home Town with them and use it here. There are > dozens of Ulster town names scattered all over PA, but principally in > the south-central and western part of the state where most of the SI > first settled. > > I mention this because it may be a useful clue when trying to track down > your ancestors on either side of the pond. I'm curious, do folks see > this frequently in other states as well? > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@fea.net] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:20 PM > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Calhoun: Letterkenny, Donegal > PA > Ohio > > Hi folks, I found this doing other research and hope someone finds this > in the archives some day. In any case, he was quite a man! The > archetypal Ulsterman. His siblings did not emigrate so perhaps his > family survives in Ireland. He was related to several prominant > families: CLARK and CULBERTSON. > > I found it at the free resource > > http://digital.library.pitt.edu/ > > The Old and New Mongehela > p, 42 contains the life of William Cohoun. A lot of his experiences are > rather typical. > > He was born in Donegal, Ireland 4 miles from "Letter-Keeney" > [Letterkenny] 10 Jun 1796, the son of Andrew who had been born, lived, > and died in the house. Only William emigrated. > > He left in 1818, sailing from Londonderry on May 7 for Quebec. > His destination was Chambersburg, PA. He had 2 uncles there who had > built and operated a paper mill and a store, where he hoped to find > employment. Since there were no large vessels sailing for Philly for 2 > or 3 weeks, he took what was available, to Quebec, with 3 others, on a > schooner. It's rather typical that he would take what was available. > --- John Polk --- Havre de Grace MD --- jfpolk@earthlink.net

Thanks Rob, no luck at http://www.failteromhat.com/ no entries for Monaghan at all, did however find some Quigley's in the Griffiths Valuation Index, that could be a match, I will now try writing to these parishes in Co. Monaghan maybe they will have records before 1864. Colin

Hello Colin, Go to www.failteromhat.com and look at the Flax List 1796. Put QUIG in the search box and you will get Quigley and alternatives. Also try Griffith's Valuation Index Extracts and you'll get more Quigleys than you expected. Rob Doragh Liverpoool UK Colin Quigley <colin@quigs.co.uk> Subject: Quigley & Co. Monaghan Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 researching Quigley family from Monaghan. James Quigley b1851 moved to Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. m Ellen Furrey 23 Nov 1876 in Govan. he had at least 4 siblings: Catherine Ann 1852 , Edward 1855, Bridget 1858 and John 1861. Their parents were John Quigley & Ellen Ward. trying to find which parish in Monaghan they were born

Hello Colin. Which Parish registers in County Monaghan do you need dates for? Regards Robert >From: "Colin Quigley" <colin@quigs.co.uk> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Sc-Ir] Thanks Rob >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:31:24 +0100 > >Thanks Rob, no luck at http://www.failteromhat.com/ no entries for Monaghan >at all, >did however find some Quigley's in the Griffiths Valuation Index, that >could be a match, I will now try writing to these parishes in Co. Monaghan >maybe they will have records before 1864. > >Colin > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

"My" George & Rebecca (McKee) McComb were also on the "Earl of Hillsborough" Many of families on the "Earl" settled on the Long Cane Creek area of Abbeville SC. Chuck (or anyone) would anything be known about McComb in Ireland. Would appreciate anything!!

Hi All I am researching the Quigley family from County Monaghan, Ireland. James Quigley born 1851 moved here to Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married Ellen Furrey on 23 Nov 1876 in Govan, Lanarkshire and he had at least 4 siblings: Catherine Ann 1852 , Edward 1855, Bridget 1858 and John 1861. Their parents where John Quigley & Ellen Ward. I am trying to find which parish in Co. Monaghan they where all born, I went to Dublin to the Registers Office but as they where all born before 1864 I had no success in finding them. Any help of any kind would be much appreciated. Colin

Hi Walt, please take these questions to a Scottish list. THis one is Irish. Ulster is in Ireland! Scottish research is something different. To do it you join different lists and you take different classes and you read different books and websites. Anyone who wishes to reply, please do so off the list. Unfortunately it's my job to keep us on topic, according to rootsweb. Linda Merle (SI Traffic Cop) -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Walt"Irish"- Cent.NJ Shore via Boston" <WaltIrish1@comcast.net> > Greeting All , > Any input greatly appreciated. I have 5 of the above subj. > items for Daniel > McKenzie which boil down to : > 1) 1732 b. (christening) St, Andrew's-Rc, Aberdeen > Is this a Catholic service ? > > 2) 1702 m. Edinburgh Wife Eupham Miller > Origin & meaning of Eupham name ? Is Miller more > likely Protestant > or Catholic ? > > 3) 1702 b. (christening) St. Cuthbert's*, Edinburgh > Is this likely a Catholic service ? > > 4) Is St. Cuthbert Parish a civil or Cath. or Prot. > entity or both / all > ? > > 5) Is St. Cuthbert Church Catholic or other ? > ----------------------------------- > * Catholic saint. > TIA . . . all the best , > Walt >

Hi, If you know that church records don't exist in the 1840s then you know the parish they came from. That's because by the 1840s LOTS of church records DO exist and weren't destroyed in the 1922 Four Courts Fire. So you search for local records. How do you do that? You get Grenham's "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" or Ryan "Irish Records" and you turn to the right county. You also use LDS to locate records. You also read the above mentioned anyone ever read that thing??) and free. Fianna (use Google) may have most of Ryan on line now. If you mean that you cannot find church records because they are not all nicely indexed in one place, then you need to do research to figure out where they came from in Ireland. You can continue to search for records over here or you can do a standard surname study to try to guess. There's a number of strategies you can use including Griffiths. However you will not find records in Ireland that record emigrants with the exception of a handful. There were a few named in the Ordnance Survey Memoirs in the 1830s in some Antrim parishes, but that's too early for you. To repeat: major records, minor records, in between, don't matter! When your ancestors left Ireland no one recorded they were leaving. There are a few exceptions but unless you know the county at least, they are no use to you. If you don't believe me (I do this professionally, btw), you can read up on the courses at www.genealogy.com/university.html on migration. Or I can recommend a book or two if you prefer to pay for the information. A very readible book is Radford and Betit's "A Genealogist's Guide to Discovering your Irish Ancestors". You can also find a lot of info about secondary sources at www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa . Best of luck! Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Walt"Irish"- Cent.NJ Shore via Boston" <WaltIrish1@comcast.net> > McKENZIE / MILLER ~ O'NEIL ~ SULLIVAN ~ SHEEHAN > Greetings All , > Any input greatly appreciated. Two of my Ire ancestors were > b. in the 1840's and b. & m. civil & church records do not exist. Both > did not m. in Ire and left in 1871 & 1895. Anyone with experience with > lesser known records 1850(64)-95 that might yield place of origin in Ire. > TIA . . . all the best , > Walt > Grandpa "Scot-Ulster-Irish" McKENZIE, Sr. > Central NJ Shore via Boston, MA, USAmerica > WaltIrish1@comcast.net >

Hi Charles, Before the Revolution people were leaving New England for PA and New York and other places with cheaper land, better climate, and better land. New England is not the world's greatest farming land excepting the Champlain Valley, for one. So many people who think their South Carolina ancester came over may find he didn't. He hoofed it down from Maine. Grandpa came over. I wouldn't look for anything Scotch Irish in New England. I'd do standard New England research using town records, etc. To do migration research, you do a standard search: www.genealogy.com/university.html has courses. In the USA very few records are organized by ethnic group. Folks remaining in Worcester assimilated into Yankee. It was like living with the Borg. There's nothing Scotch Irish in Worcester. I lived there for seven years. There's lots of records though. There are huge amounts of New England stuff published and lots of 'how to' manuals out there. None of it is ethnic oriented. Since there were not separate churches, why would there be? There are not separate records for different ethnics till they finally stopped persecuting the Quakers and such, way into the 1700s. There were societies in Boston started by early Scots and Irish -- many of their records are published. Checked there? It's not clear from your email exactly what is your brick wall. If you're trying to locate where they came from, that's migration research. See the URL above. One thing that was drilled into my head was you search ALL the records. We prefer to cherry pick. We dream up this fantasy that somewhere on the planet is a record that has the information we seek, in a readible format, near us, and certainly not on a pay per view website! This is if after 20 or 30 years no cousins surface with that record. The truth is taught in the first course of the website up there: there may well be no record ever of where your ancestor came from in the 1700s. You'll have to 1. conduct a thorough search. 2. Analyze the results for clues, and 3. then maybe do a DNA study. In any case, you are not the same man. You know a huge amount of stuff and you can search much much more intelligently. What I have found personally is that by spending a lot of time reading history as well as learning to execute the standard strategies that professionals would do, I can make progress. I am not as likely to overlook the good clues in front of me. I can make a lot more sense of what I have. I learned to turn to the back of a book and learn from the bibliography. Lots of people have spent their lives studying this stuff. They then write books and articles and even give classes to jump start our work. We can get a lot further, faster, if we use these things. I'm wondering if you've checked yours in Heritage Quest? It has a very good colonial collection. Many libraries have a subscription to it. But for your New England people you need to download the LDS guides to research in those states and then do thorough searches. If you take the colonial immigration class you'll learn there is no single record that will tell you where the ancestor came from. So you have to search everything. Sounds daunting, but if you have a guide like the LDS guides, you can find it. There's also ...what is it? The book on ships from Ulster. "Ulster Emigration to Colonial America" by R J Dickson (Ulster Historical Foundation). It might help you understand the ships. There is also a book...hmmm...where? "Belfast Merchant Families in the Seventeenth Century" by Jean Agnew (Four Courts Press). These books and a couple by Bailyn that I can't find right now will give you an idea of what it was like in the early 1700s. Esp. Agnew explains the situation in Belfast where several merchants would pool funds to outfit a ship. In London (reading British sources helps) one guy would do it. Not in Belfast. It suggests the relative wealth of Belfast to London. It also covers illegal ships that constantly plied the waters and will not appear on various logs. There is a HUGE amount of stuff on ships buried in the corespondence of merchant families, insurance records (Lloyds) and port records. They are not easy for a non professional to access. However if I had an ancestor who was a ship's captain, I'd become the world's expert in that. I'd also check out the correspondence in the Mass state papers. I would follow up on leads back to the old country. BTW the genealogies of the Belfast merchants families are NOT in the index of the book, but they ARE in the archives of this list. I typed them in. Also read Kerby Miller's "Emigrants and Exiles". He is the expert on Irish emigration. You never know what will be said that makes you realize the signifiance of some detail you have and set you off on a course of discovery. Also, if you read Agnew carefully, you will learn what SHE used to do her research and you can use these same sources to do yours. I bet you a...hmm... I donno, something, that the name of your shipmaster is moldering away in a document in PRONI related to the merchants who outfitted the ship. You just have to find it. You also need enough information to know that the man named is YOURS. The name alone does not establish identity. Have you checked "Ulster Scots and the Blandford [Ma] Scouts" by Sumner Gilbert Wood? Blandford was a town started by the SI after they abandoned Worcester. It is heavily built on New England town/parish records (they're the same) and show the itineration of this group from town to town, as revealed in town records. Blandford soldiers during the 7 years War (French and Indian): Noble, Sinnet, Stoddard, Blair, Beard, Crooks, Loughead. It has a huge number of muster rolls. The surnames in the town birthrecords are Baird, Barnes, Bement, Black, Blair, Boies, Brown, Campbell, Car, Carnahan, Clark, Cochrain, Ferguson, Gibbs, Hamelton, Hassard, Hamilton, Henry, KNox, Lawhead, Loughhead, Loyd , McConoughey, Mitchel, Montgomery, Morton, Noble, Osborn, Peas, Provan, Provence, Robeson, Robinson, Scot, Sinnet, Sloper, Stewart, Qheler, Willson, Wilson, Wolson, Word or Ward or Work or Wark, Yong (Young). Best of luck! Linda Merle

Hi Donna , sounds like they may have come over with Rev. Thomas Clark's group. They Arrived about that time period and settle in Salem, NY. Washington county. Best to you , Bob Simpson

Hi, Is Ballibay a town or a parish in County Monaghan? My GETTY family emigrated from there in 1764 to Washington County, New York. Are there any parish registers for GETTY in Monaghan? Thanks, Donna -----Original Message----- From: Ulster Ancestry [mailto:ulsterancestry@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:58 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Monaghan Parishes Hello Colin. Which Parish registers in County Monaghan do you need dates for? Regards Robert