Hi Donna, My great-great-grandfather was named Charles Wellington RICE when he was born in Lubec, ME, in 1850. When he came down to Winchester, MA, and married Adelaide Crosby HUTCHINSON, they named their first child, Louise Wellington RICE. When Louise was up in Lubec visiting her relatives in the late 1890's, she met G. Sanford KIDDER and married him. They came back down to Winchester to live. They named their 3rd child / 2nd son, Clinton Wellington KIDDER, and, in turn, there is a Clinton Wellington KIDDER, Jr. My sister who had taken the CROSBY and HUTCHINSON names to research thought that Wellington for a middle name was somehow connected to the WELLINGTON families who lived in Medford, MA, early on. ("Wellington Circle" in Medford) But, I poked around a little on-line and found out that "many" children were given Wellington as a first name or middle name if they were born around the 1850's -- after the Duke of WELLINGTON ! (I think he died in 1852.) All of the above surnames can be traced back to the 1600's MA Bay Colony, and I think they all came from England ! (Don't know about the WELLINGTON family, though !) That's my father's side of the family. It's my mother's side of the family which has the ancestors with the Scottish names but coming from Ireland ! Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: given name Wellington > Hi all. Does anyone know if the first name "Wellington" has Scotch-Irish > background or is it only Irish or where it comes from? I just wondered if > this could give me any clues. > > > > Donna > > - Just fishin' without a fish pole. > > ______________________________

>A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507 I put the ISBN into Campusi < http://www.campusi.com/ > and got this as a result: Dictionary of First Names - Patrick Hanks - Paperback ISBN: 0192800507 Author: Patrick Hanks Publisher: Oxford University Press Date published: November 1990 Format: Paperback Number of pages: 480 Book Review: Here is the ultimate first name handbook, a delightfully informative, comprehensive survey of over 4,500 European and American names (with two appendices covering the most common Arabicand Indian names). The real charm and value of this reference lies in the wealth of fascinating additional information the authors provide. Under the entry for "Audrey," for example, we learn of the sixth century saint of that name--whodied from a neck tumor, divine punishment for her youthful delight in fine necklaces--from whom the word "tawdry" derives: it referred originally to the cheap jewelry sold at fairs in her honor (St. Audrey eventually being compressed into"tawdry"). The authors reveal that the name "Colleen," a very popular name among Irish Americans, is in fact never given as a first name in Ireland; that the name "Wendy" didn't exist until J.M. Barrie invented it for Peter Pan; that"Algernon" originally meant "moustached" and was a nickname among the predominantly clean-shaven Norman French; and that the "th" in our spelling of "Anthony" comes from an erroneous confusion with the Greek word for flower,anthos. Perhaps more important, this dictionary is an authoritative reference. Indeed, no other handbook provides a fraction of the information found here. Typical entries provide the linguistic and ethnic root of a name. "Jennifer,"for instance, is a Cornish form of "Guinevere," which in turn is the French version of a Welsh name combining gwen, white, fair, smooth, and hwyfar, smooth, soft. Most entries also include the non-English form or cognate of a name. Thename "Geronimo" is an Italian 0ognate of Jerome, whose Dutch cognate, "Jeroen," the authors point out, was the mostpopular male name in Holland in 1981. In addition, entries include diminutives and pet forms. A companion to the authors'A Dictionary of Surnames, this informative reference offers a goldmine of curious facts to delight browsers of every age as well as a wealth of inspiration for prospective parents. It is an ideal baby shower gift. This is Reaney & Wilson's info. They had several editions. ISBN: 0198631464 Author: Percy H. Reaney R. M. Wilson Date published: August 1995 Format: Paperback 3rd ed. with corrections and additions Donna

The first Duke of Wellington was, of course, the victor over Napoleon. I imagine that in the years after 1815, a lot of boys were named Wellington after the great hero -- and it may have started earlier. Same thing happened over here in the 1820's when the Rev. War hero Lafayette made a grand tour of the country. Lots of boys were named Marcus after the hero Marquis. As for an Irish connection, Wellington's brother was Marques (I think that was it) of Welleslely, and that was an Irish title. Wellesley was the family name. Howard V. Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmerle@comcast.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] given name Wellington > Ancestry has both > Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN > 0-19-508137-4 and > First Name: > > A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507 > > Appears that the source is Reany and Wilson since this it was it says: > English: habitational name from any of the three places named Wellington, > in Herefordshire, Shropshire, and Somerset. All are most probably named > with an unattested Old English personal name Wçola + -ing- (implying > association with) + tûn 'settlement'. > http://www.ancestry.com/search/SurnamePage.aspx?html=b&ln=Wellington&sourcecode=13304 > Very typical of early German settlements, named after the founder: Wella's > settlement. > All early occurances are in the south of England. The Pedigree Resource > instance in "Carlisle, Cumberland, Scotland" was added by someone who > didn't even know that Carlisle is in England, as is the county of > Cumberland. This is not a person to believe anything they say. I hope none > of you bought a bridge from this person. If he/she didn't bother to check > the country of Carlisle, what else didn't he/she check? Very embarrassing > for that person. Maybe they asked on an internet list and someone who > didn't know told them Carlisle was in Cumberland County, Scotland. And > they didn't bother to check. How very very foolish. > Linda Merle >

Thanks Linda, as always. I hope no one hurt themselves falling off their chairs. <g> I didn't give you a date because I have seen this name at various times for various people, usually as a middle name. I'll check the IGI. The family claims to be Scotch-Irish, but with this info, probably not. Which brings up the subject of people misunderstanding records. If someone says they are from Ireland, it doesn't mean they're Irish. We Americans should all understand that one. <g> Thanks again. Donna

Hi all. Does anyone know if the first name "Wellington" has Scotch-Irish background or is it only Irish or where it comes from? I just wondered if this could give me any clues. Donna - Just fishin' without a fish pole.

I don't recall if I have posted this to list or not. My ancestors names are Addison and Gott. His is Addison and hers is Gott. To my understanding, they are Scotch-Irish, who came from Scotland? or Ireland? They immigrated to Londonderry, New Hampshire in 1751 and then on to Goffstown, New Hampshire. I have found their grave stones and have a photo. He was a constable there. The lived southern side of the Piscataqua River. In the Goffstown History books, I understand that almost all of the residents south of the river were Scotch-Irish. How can I find this out for sure? I only have their year of birth, but have the exact date of death. Any help will be appreciated. I really need more information. Thanks, Rita

Some of my Irish ancestors had Wellington as a middle name. It does appear in the Tithe Aplotment in Dublin, among other places (Donnybrook?). There was a Duke of Wellington and that may be how it was acquired. Charles lmerle@comcast.net wrote: Hi Donna, You don't provide a date and place, which is unfortunate. Up to a point our ancestors tended to adhere to a European naming pattern, often associated by us Brits with the Scots,

Hi folks, I was asked to forward this news. Please note I have no further information. Do not contact me regarding any of this information. If it is later than April 4, 2006 I have forgotten that I forwarded it. It's best on all genealogy lists to ask the administrator if it is okay to post announcements, so if you have any, see me. Linda Merle SI Admin -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "LK Ramsey" <lkramsey@comcast.net> To: "Linda Merle" <lmerle@comcast.net> Subject: Genealogy in the News Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 02:19:13 +0000 Linda, please post these noteworthy announcements for the interest and benefit of the S-I list…Lee From the Atlanta Constitution Genealogy column by Kenneth H. Thomas, Jr. The popular “Ancestors” TV show returns Monday night on Georgia Public Broadcasting. This third in a series returns at 7 p.m. on Mondays through June 26. This series was put together by Brigham Young University (see www.byubroadcasting.org/ancestors) The site includes other sources for research. The Sons of the American Revolution want to locate descendants of Revolutionary War soldiers and sailors who participated in the Frederica naval action on April 19, 1778, when three galleys of the Georgia Navy captured three armed British ships in the Frederica River at St. Simons Island. A ceremony to honor the patriots will be conducted at 10 a.m. April 19 at the Fort Frederica National Monument on St. Simons Island. Descendants have not been located for the following: Commodore Oliver Bowen, John Bacon, James Carpenter, Alexander Daniel Cuthbert, Joseph Day, Hull Doty, Belcher Fuller, Matthew Gibson, John Hartley, Archibald Hatcher, Michael Mahoney, George Melvin, John and William Myers, Bernard Petty, Job Pray and George Young. Any descendants should contact Bill Ramsaur, 116 Florence Street, Saint Simons Island, GA 31522.

I have completed the births, Civil and Quaker and Christenings for Banbridge on my website, please remember the spelling of names, many were spelt as the names were pronounced, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4793 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

No, you join the group and have the email sent to any email. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sybil Chapman" <sybilchapman@cebridge.net> > Do you have to check Yahoo for email if you do this? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Merle" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:15 PM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Unidentified subject! > > > > Hi folks, > > > > And even further north than Maine is Canada. > > > > I sub to surnamesearchdaily" , a yahoo group: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SurnameSearchDaily/ > > > > Today's link to: > > http://www.abcgenealogy.com/New/24-Mar-2006.html > > > > Has > > "CAN-CHALEUR-BAY-IRISH Mailing List - Topic: A mailing list for anyone > > with a genealogical interest in the Irish Protestants from southwest Cork > > who settled in the Bay Chaleur area of New Brunswick and Quebec, Canada in > > the early 1800s." > > > > Ireland once had a much larger minority of Protestants > > spread throughout. Most were not Presbyterians or had > > fantasies about their ancestors being Scottish (their > > ancestors were English and Irish). Anyhow, many emigrated > > to Canada. Largely Ontario but hey, here's some that > > settled in Quebec. > > > > First time I ever heard of them too! Or...the Bay Chaleur > > either ! > > > > Linda Merle > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Do you have to check Yahoo for email if you do this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Merle" <merle@fea.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Unidentified subject! > Hi folks, > > And even further north than Maine is Canada. > > I sub to surnamesearchdaily" , a yahoo group: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SurnameSearchDaily/ > > Today's link to: > http://www.abcgenealogy.com/New/24-Mar-2006.html > > Has > "CAN-CHALEUR-BAY-IRISH Mailing List - Topic: A mailing list for anyone > with a genealogical interest in the Irish Protestants from southwest Cork > who settled in the Bay Chaleur area of New Brunswick and Quebec, Canada in > the early 1800s." > > Ireland once had a much larger minority of Protestants > spread throughout. Most were not Presbyterians or had > fantasies about their ancestors being Scottish (their > ancestors were English and Irish). Anyhow, many emigrated > to Canada. Largely Ontario but hey, here's some that > settled in Quebec. > > First time I ever heard of them too! Or...the Bay Chaleur > either <grin>! > > Linda Merle > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > >

Hi Carol, they were mercinaries, believed to be from the Scottish western isles (surnames confirm this), who were brought to Ireland in the later middle ages in huge numbers. They were largely employed by the Irish chieftains though there is plenty of evidence that the English used them as well. The Irish soldier was a small, light, lightly armed fella. These guys were huge, brawly, heavily armed. The sherman tank of their day. In one dynastic marriage 10,000 came with the bride. A number of Irish clans were started by soldiers who settled and married, esp. the McSweenies. The term is Irish for foreign soldier. You can learn more by searching our archives and by reading "Scots Mercenary Forces in Ireland (1565 - 1603) by Hayes-McCoy (first published 1937, reprinted by Edmund Berk in Dublin in 1996). Book includes several genealogies including McSweeney and Clan Donald and the O'Neills of Tir Eoghain. (Needless to say these were Catholics as were all our ancestors (excepting your Jewish and wiccan ones) who spoke Gaelic and assimilated into the Irish Nation before the lowland Scots arrived in Antrim and Down with the Montgomeries and Hamiltons and Randal McDonald.) Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: Carol Renfro <crenfro@alltel.net> > What are gallowglass soldiers? > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/296 - Release Date: 3/29/2006 > > > > > > -- > Carol Cole Renfro > 5931 West Avenue > Lavonia, Georgia > > (706) 356-1254 > >

Allegedley died 1919 ages app 92 y, son John Seaton [15/3/1857] sailed to > Australia 1880 meant to go to America to join brother George. To the best of > my knowledge parents Mary and George remained in Mulnagore, Carland, Dungannon > Co Tyrone until their deaths in 1919. Is anyone researching this family? ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

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Yes, we know of people who migrated from Florence, OH to establish the town of Florence, MT. I know of other places where this happened too. Bettijane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Hi Cynthia and thanks for the plug. One of the definitive works on British surnames is "A Dictionary of English Surnames" by Reaney and Wilson, that's available in paperback. It has an extensive introduction that provides a massive amount of information. Often funny. Under Patronymics on p. xix it says (under "Names in -son") "In Old English, patronymics were formed by adding -ing to the stem or -sunu to the genitive of the personal name: Dudding 'son of Dudd" and Eadricessumu 'son of Eadric' The later type was used as a patronymic adjunct: Hering Hussan sunu (603 ASC), a type found also in the eighth and ninth centuries and not uncommon in the names of the festermen of Peterborough (963-92)." Okay, what's a festerman? And who would believe there were people in England named Hussan in 600 AD? The really depressing thing is Jones is a variant on John. So now you know where there are a lot of them. It is a Welsh variant. The Welsh were forced to take surnames, finally, and they of course took surnames that were of the patronymic variety, which is how they all ended up named Jones. Apparently John was a popular first name. If you read up on the Normans who came to Ireland in the middle ages, you'll find out they were largely "Marcher Lords" -- men attempting to subdue and squeeze a profit out of the lands bordering Wales. Some in Wales and some nearby. When they settled in Ireland they brought with them tenants. Many of them of course Welsh. Little trace remains but maybe DNA. However in the late 1500s there was an English colony in the Belfast area that was 'lost' -- but the surnames remain in Belfast (See Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames". In addition several large servitors like Chichester were from the area of England bordering Wales. They brought over more surnames among their tenants. So there's plenty of Welsh in Ulster. Further south you'd have lots of Welsh brought to Ireland by marrauders and at least on Irish colony in Dark Age Wales. Probably more. It's close, after all. So kissing cousins, again. > was told was more likely to be welsh in origin...just a general question about > not being able to find a birth/christening record where the parish records seem > fairly good...thinking the best explanation is either it was just not > recorded...ministers day off?...illegitmacy..or a family who was not given > correct information as to grandparents...informant on a death certific! > ate..son..did not know grandmothers name...any ideas...thanks What kind of 'parish record' were you looking at? If you were viewing an index, even experts have a ten percent error rate. If you are viewing a transcription, well, even expert transcribers have a ten percent error rate. Much higher as you go back in time. Have you seen the handwriting?? OI! If you were viewing film of actual records, well, can you interpret the handwriting? Was a page ommited in the transcription? If you got a letter from a minister, minsters are not experts usually and often rarely are interested. There are no "How to read old parish records to help the genealogists free" classes in seminaries. You do encounter the occasional priest or minister who is very interested. Hire a professional. Occassionally in Ireland access to parish records is restricted and you have to be interviewed and have premission from the archbishop. A story told to me by a professional genealogist of her interview by nuns terrified me! Terrified her too! She had been prepared for! it by Catholic school, thank heavens, she said. People recording any record are human and make errors and experience lapses in consciousness (speaking personally). Also check a long time afterwards. You don't specify the religion or time, but there may not have been a local minister or priest. So all the kids got baptized at once 14 years later. Nothing in Irish records is straight forward. You need to study to learn what finding a record or not finding it might mean. Its possible the children were baptized elsewhere, in another denomination including Catholic. Few of those records exist before the 1820s though there are some Presbyterian. Best of luck! Linda Merle

Hi Cynthia You mention Presbyterian Mitchell's that came to St John, New Brunswick, from Ireland in the mid 1800's. Would you have more details? I have a kinsman, Capt Rufus F Mitchell (born 1822) (a ship's captain) who moved to St John -- one of his sons was the founder of Mitchell McConnell Ltd, insurance brokers in St John. His father was an Irish doctor who moved to Cumberland County, Nova Scotia, from co. Londonderry, Ireland. I would be most interested in comparing notes. Sincerely David Mitchell Cape Town South Africa -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "CYNTHIA MOURO" <aquamarina6@msn.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: mitchell..jones... > hi list......after doing some fairly painless searching for family that > came from scotland to boston in the late 1880's ..I think I have been > spoiled by the scottish records but am now ready to jump into the murky > pool of ireland to find two familes that came to st john new brunswick in > the mid 1800's from ireland...the presbyterian mitchells and the church of > england jones family..have just recently joined the list but am really > enjoying the hints from that treasure named linda merle...found the > comments about names spreading to different areas of the isles to be > interesting as the jones name for example I was told was more likely to be > welsh in origin...just a general question about not being able to find a > birth/christening record where the parish records seem fairly > good...thinking the best explanation is either it was just not > recorded...ministers day off?...illegitmacy..or a family who was not given > correct information as to grandparents...informant on a death certific! > ate..son..did not know grandmothers name...any ideas...thanks >

hi list......after doing some fairly painless searching for family that came from scotland to boston in the late 1880's ..I think I have been spoiled by the scottish records but am now ready to jump into the murky pool of ireland to find two familes that came to st john new brunswick in the mid 1800's from ireland...the presbyterian mitchells and the church of england jones family..have just recently joined the list but am really enjoying the hints from that treasure named linda merle...found the comments about names spreading to different areas of the isles to be interesting as the jones name for example I was told was more likely to be welsh in origin...just a general question about not being able to find a birth/christening record where the parish records seem fairly good...thinking the best explanation is either it was just not recorded...ministers day off?...illegitmacy..or a family who was not given correct information as to grandparents...informant on a death certific! ate..son..did not know grandmothers name...any ideas...thanks

Hi Margaret, about 500 AD some people left Antrim and colonized Scotland. They spoke Gaelic. The folk in most of Scotland spoke Pictish. Over time the German tribes settled on the east coast, Edinburgh and south, and the Gaelic speaking Irish spread out over the western part. So Pictish became extinct. It's believe the Picts were short dark people, but we donno anything really about Picts. They disappeared. They are the subject of fantasy and a zillion websites. Around 1700 AD the dialect of Irish spoken in Scotland was different enough to be recognized as a different dialect -- Scots Gaelic. Think of Irland and Scotland as two sides of the Missippi River. People went to Scotland in a rowboat for church. I personally think they were out of their FRIGGING MINDS doing such a thing....but they did. Beside them speaking the same language, people went back and forth all the time. All the time. so any surname in Ireland is in Scotland. And any surname in Scotland is in Ireland. There was not gate at either side with a nasty official saying "If you are coming in here you GOTTA change the spelling of your name to not confuse people into thinking you actaully belong here." NO! People's surnames also assimilated into where ever they were. If you are studying a surname in Uslter, use Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames". He has a lot of local info. McFall is an Ulster surname. You don't find out outside of Ulster in Ireland. It has 3 distinct Scottish origins but it has also been used by the Irish named Mulfoyle. This was an north Connacht group O Maolfabhail, meaning 'descendent of the devotee of (St) Fabhail'. It was more commonly anglicized to Lavelle. In Donegal it became Fall, McFall, Paul, and McPaul. These McFalls were in Carrickbraghy on Inishowen. In Ulster the Norman name Melville was also an anglicization of O...dang, no way I'm spelling it again. So Irish or Scots? I bet DNA won't sort it out. Why would it? Seriously, a lot of the Highland clans descend from Irish clans. A lot, and I do mean a lot, of Scots islanders went to Ireland as gallowglass soldiers in the 14 and 1500s bringing their surnames. The DNA is the same. We're one big happy family on both sides of the Sheugh. The situation with McFall is very typical. The same surname on both sides of the Sheugh. You can guess who your ancestors were by where they were living in Ireland but the surname will rarely help you figure out alone if they were ultimately Irish or Scots or Catholic or Jewish...okay, I made that up. Your ancestors DIDN'T write it. They were illiterate. Even if they did, English spelling wasn't standardized. There was no right or wrong. Clerks spelled surnames like they sounded, phonetically. To their hearing. About every 10 miles there was a new accent -- no TV to standardize pronounciation. The single most common reason that amateurs do not bag their man is that they think spelling matters. The single most common reason. So, do a little reading on this if you think I'm full of poop, but I'm not.... God bless you, you know where yous at least got on the boat! By 1893 you should find US emigration records useful at locating them. Go to www.genealogy.com/university.html and take the courses on immigration. They'll tell you what you need to know, probably. Oh, there's a LOT of McFalls about in Ulster. The surname is most common in ANtrim and Derry, with the Derry ones more likely Irish in origin, like many of us. Even those with Scots surnames had a slew of Irish grannies. Those good looking women were impossible to pass up, esp, when you often had nothing else but a sheep to make googly eyes at. Innishowen is beautiful -- if you go there you might be adopted immediately. I got so many Irish grannies we even got a banshee, and my grandmother was the local Irish fey here in Western PA. No one messed with us. My granny's curses could kill ya. My mother once cursed a guy with 4 flat tires and he had them all on the way home that day. My grannie could teach the witches of Ireland a thing or two. I like my Irish DNA a lot! My sister once drove off a group of young men who were going to abduct her with a string of curses. They're probably all dead now too. I've done the same thing but we are no match for our mother and grandmother. Hate to meet anyone of the ancestors....actually, a couple have threatened my sister in dreams as she was about to uncover their nasty deeds. When the men died off as fast as ours did you had to learn to defend youself. A hord of hostile fairies works fine! Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mmmvk1@aol.com > > > Would the surname of McFall come over from Scotland. Or would the > spelling be Mac Fall if so . There are soo many different spellings i > dont really know how my ancesters wrote it . It was Mcfall on the boat > over here from Londondery Ire. in 1893. All i have is a dennis an > edward > McFall thank you margaret > > >

I couldnt resist these extracts from the Edinburgh Tolbooth records 1663. There is a serious aspect though, as it demonstrates that religious intolerance was applied across the board and shows why Quakers as well as Presbyterians, went to Ireland and then to the Colonies. March 7th 1663 Edr 24 febury 1663 the Lords of his matties privy counsel! being Anthony informed that y0 Earle of hoome as shereff of Berwieke and his deputtes have caused apprehend the perssones of Anthony Hoge and Andro Robsone two trifficking quackers: and caused imprissone theme wtin . the tolbuith of Dunce we doe thinke ffitt to returne thanks to yt sd Earle for his good service and doe grantt warrand to ye said Earle or his deputtes to transpoirt the saids perssones from Dunce to the tolbuith of Edr and requires the majestrattes of Edr to secure yT perssones in sure ffirmance while farder order - Sic Sub Glencairne Can11 AprylI 22 1663 I desyr thes demented bodies the qwakers be set at libertie and certifie them that if they be fownd my mor trobling this p!ace wth meiting vpon the lords day, the nixt prisson shalbe the corectioun hous Sic Sub Sir Androw ramsay for rot murray gud Provest man of the to!buth Enjoy :)) Brian