Seeking information on ancestor Rev. Magavern, Willam Joseph who was a minister in the Primative Methodist Church in Ireland in the period 1856-1863. Rev. Magavern emigrated to Ontario Canada C1864 and in December 1865 married Leighton, Mary Louise at Orangeville Ontario Canada. Mary Louise was born at Longford in 1838 and came to Ontario with her family in Apr/May 1865. The Magavern's moved to Buffalo N.Y. in 1860's where William became a prominent churchman. Your assistance and or advice very much appreciated. Bill On.Can.

I found this bit of information from "The Town of Goffstown" written by Georgel Hadley Plummer. Can anyone explain what it means? "After the union with the Presbyterian Church, the church was well nigh close communion, as the following will illustrate: May 27, 1802, voted "To admit Widow Sarah Addison to occasional Communion"; voted "To admit Mr. David Morril and wife to occasional Communion, till they have opportunity to remove their relations to this church," Mr. Morril having only three months before been ordained as pastor. August 22, 1802, voted "That the ordinance of the 'Lord's Supper be administered to the church on Sabbath, the 24th of this month,' in the Presbyterian mode, and that the Rev. Mr. Fullerton of Antrim be reques After the union with the Presbyterian Church, the church was well nigh close communion, as the following will illustrate: May 27, 1802, voted "To admit Widow Sarah Addison to occasional Communion"; voted "To admit Mr. David Morril and wife to occasional Communion, till they have opportunity to remove their relations to this church," Mr. Morril having only three months before been ordained as pastor. August 22, 1802, voted "That the ordinance of the 'Lord's Supper be administered to the church on Sabbath, the 24th of this month,' in the Presbyterian mode, and that the Rev. Mr. Fullerton of Antrim be requested to attend and assist in administering the ordinance on condition the pastor of this church assist him when requested." http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nh/county/hillsborough/goffstown/book/chap34.htmlat Thank you Rita Addison-Hawthorne

Joe: I tried to your email address and my message to you bounced-- I'm interested in the names of the four preachers, who were on the 5 ships to Boston, 1718 and where they settled. I'm particularly interested in Rev. Holmes, no first name given. There was a Hugh Holmes whose name appeared on the petition to emigrate to New England. Also, I'm interested in 2 Homes brothers, from Coleraine, who were mentioned in Bolton's Scotch-Irish Pioneers: Thomas HOMES, who died at Dracut, Massachusetts, 1726, this was where Rev. James MacGregor and some followers settled. Thomas' brother was John HOMES, of Boston. It may be he was in Cambridge, Massachusetts as this was where Thomas' probate action took place. Do you have a website? thanks, Charles Joseph2852@aol.com wrote: I caught a reply from a Joyce Hamilton to Charles and it had RE: Rev. Holmes to Bos ............assuming this means Boston and it is THEE REV . Holmes 5 ships to boston gov. shute petition and all that in 1718 .........any questions Charles email at _Joseph2852@aol.com_ (mailto:Joseph2852@aol.com) or you can post on Scotch Irish list .... Proud to be Scotch Irish ..........crazy joe in south jersey

I caught a reply from a Joyce Hamilton to Charles and it had RE: Rev. Holmes to Bos ............assuming this means Boston and it is THEE REV . Holmes 5 ships to boston gov. shute petition and all that in 1718 .........any questions Charles email at _Joseph2852@aol.com_ (mailto:Joseph2852@aol.com) or you can post on Scotch Irish list .... Proud to be Scotch Irish ..........crazy joe in south jersey

Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

Check out this website to give you some additional information about the cantilevered barns found in the mountains of E. TN...there are still a number of them around...and not just in the Great Smokey Mountain National Park. http://www.aca-dla.org/site-templates/logessay.html There was a large group of both Germans and Scotch-Irish that came into Cocke and Sevier Counties of Tennessee (was the State of Franklin) before the Revolutionary War. There are many descendants of those families still living in that area, and back in an area called DelRio (where the TV show and book Christie took place). If you listen to the language patterns of those who still live back in the mountains, you will still hear Elizabethan English in some of their pronounciations and expressions. My husband's family were some of the original settlers into that region, along with Madison and Buncombe Counties in NC and we taught in Cocke and Sevier County. Turns out the other side of his family came from Greene County, TN...and were Irish Quakers... His parents met and married in Texas. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] clues from architecture > One of my volunteer activities is as a reader for Reading for the Blind > and Dyslexic. Yesterday the book chosen for me to read was "Appalachian > Folkways" by John Rehder. The chapter I recorded was concerning the > structure of barns and other outbuildings in a particular region of > Appalachia. The part I thought was pertinent was a discussion by the > author about how migrations within the United States could be traced based > on the style of architecture used. He was discussing primarily barns and > contrasted German vs. Scotch-Irish barn styles. He also discussed how much > of what we consider indigenous to Appalachia is really a continuation or > expansion of European practices. Since this is the area in which many of > us find our ancestors I found it quite interesting (not everything I have > to read for them is). I did a Google search and found this: > http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title_pages/3198.html > >

One of my volunteer activities is as a reader for Reading for the Blind and Dyslexic. Yesterday the book chosen for me to read was "Appalachian Folkways" by John Rehder. The chapter I recorded was concerning the structure of barns and other outbuildings in a particular region of Appalachia. The part I thought was pertinent was a discussion by the author about how migrations within the United States could be traced based on the style of architecture used. He was discussing primarily barns and contrasted German vs. Scotch-Irish barn styles. He also discussed how much of what we consider indigenous to Appalachia is really a continuation or expansion of European practices. Since this is the area in which many of us find our ancestors I found it quite interesting (not everything I have to read for them is). I did a Google search and found this: http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title_pages/3198.html

Another guess for you - he liked the logging industry. In Tioga County in the 1830s, logging white pine (with a little oak thrown in) and floating it down Pine Creek to the Susquehanna for the Chesapeake Bay's shipbuilding industry was very nearly the only thing going on. Leaving for Michigan in the 1840s, around the time that same industry was rolling there, would tend to make me think that even more. Lots of SI names in the lists of loggers and river pilots from those days. FWIW, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Brendan Wehrung [mailto:wehrung@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:18 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff >From: "William H. Magill" <magill@mcgillsociety.org> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0400 > >On 10 Apr, 2006, at 19:20, AGarvin224@aol.com wrote: > >>In a message dated 4/10/06 7:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>wehrung@hotmail.com writes: >> >>>This is a wonderful site! The big question when you have no real >>>information except a location is "why did they settle there?" often >>>answered by "how did they get there?" >>>The roads often answer the second question and these maps give lots >>>of answers. >> >>Don't forget that water played a large part in folks getting around >>those mountains - specifically, the Susquehanna and the Ohio Rivers, >>and Lake Eire, and later, the Eire Canal (my Scots-Irish family came >>to PA that way). An interesting book described how George Washington >>used the Potomac River to get to PA and then to the Ohio River. >>Ann > >But George was headed to Fort Pitt.... > >Coming from the east and Philadelphia, the Conestoga Road was one >primary path. A trail made by the Conestoga (Susquehanna) Indians, >connecting the Schuylkill and Susquehanna Rivers. Later this trail >became the Old Lancaster Road, then the Conestoga Road. > >Later (circa 1717) this name became famous as the "Prairie Schooner" -- >the Conestoga Wagon built and designed by Pennsylvania Germans. >Nominally, what we now call the Pennsylvania Dutch -- Dutch = Deutch >(with an umlat over the u) Deutch being the German word for German! > In my case the road has to lead to Tioga County. Why my Irish ancestor chose it we'll never know, but one of the maps shows roads leading there in the early 1830's (he must have arrived about 1827-30). He repeated the feat in Michigan in 1848, when he left his family in Oakland co. (north of Detroit) and set out along what was then the newly-surveyed route of what became Grand river Rd. to the then wilderness of Montcalm County. Liked wild places with cheap land, it seems. Brendan >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/wagon.htm > >http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/wagons.html > >http://www.gameo.org/index.asp?content=http://www.gameo.org/ >encyclopedia/contents/C6621ME.html >http://www.ushistory.org/philadelphia/street_conestoga.htm > >An interesting set of musings on the path of the "Great Conestoga Road." >http://www.hansherr.org/articles.htm > > >T.T.F.N. >William H. Magill >PM University Lodge 51, GLPA >Pennsylvania Lodge of Research >Philadelphia, PA >magill@mcgillsociety.org >magill@acm.org >magill@mac.com >whmagill@gmail.com > >

>From: "William H. Magill" <magill@mcgillsociety.org> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0400 > >On 10 Apr, 2006, at 19:20, AGarvin224@aol.com wrote: > >>In a message dated 4/10/06 7:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>wehrung@hotmail.com writes: >> >>>This is a wonderful site! The big question when you have no real >>>information except a location is "why did they settle there?" often >>>answered >>>by "how did they get there?" >>>The roads often answer the second question and these maps give lots of >>>answers. >> >>Don't forget that water played a large part in folks getting around those >>mountains - specifically, the Susquehanna and the Ohio Rivers, and Lake >>Eire, and >>later, the Eire Canal (my Scots-Irish family came to PA that way). An >>interesting book described how George Washington used the Potomac River >>to get to PA and then to the Ohio River. >>Ann > >But George was headed to Fort Pitt.... > >Coming from the east and Philadelphia, the Conestoga Road was one primary >path. A trail made by the Conestoga (Susquehanna) Indians, connecting the >Schuylkill and Susquehanna Rivers. Later this trail became the Old >Lancaster Road, then the Conestoga Road. > >Later (circa 1717) this name became famous as the "Prairie Schooner" -- >the Conestoga Wagon built and designed by Pennsylvania Germans. >Nominally, what we now call the Pennsylvania Dutch -- Dutch = Deutch (with >an umlat over the u) Deutch being the German word for German! > In my case the road has to lead to Tioga County. Why my Irish ancestor chose it we'll never know, but one of the maps shows roads leading there in the early 1830's (he must have arrived about 1827-30). He repeated the feat in Michigan in 1848, when he left his family in Oakland co. (north of Detroit) and set out along what was then the newly-surveyed route of what became Grand river Rd. to the then wilderness of Montcalm County. Liked wild places with cheap land, it seems. Brendan >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/wagon.htm > >http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/wagons.html > >http://www.gameo.org/index.asp?content=http://www.gameo.org/ >encyclopedia/contents/C6621ME.html >http://www.ushistory.org/philadelphia/street_conestoga.htm > >An interesting set of musings on the path of the "Great Conestoga Road." >http://www.hansherr.org/articles.htm > > >T.T.F.N. >William H. Magill >PM University Lodge 51, GLPA >Pennsylvania Lodge of Research >Philadelphia, PA >magill@mcgillsociety.org >magill@acm.org >magill@mac.com >whmagill@gmail.com > >

On 10 Apr, 2006, at 19:20, AGarvin224@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/10/06 7:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wehrung@hotmail.com writes: > >> This is a wonderful site! The big question when you have no real >> information except a location is "why did they settle there?" >> often answered >> by "how did they get there?" >> The roads often answer the second question and these maps give >> lots of >> answers. > > Don't forget that water played a large part in folks getting around > those > mountains - specifically, the Susquehanna and the Ohio Rivers, and > Lake Eire, and > later, the Eire Canal (my Scots-Irish family came to PA that way). An > interesting book described how George Washington used the Potomac > River to get to PA and then to the Ohio River. > Ann But George was headed to Fort Pitt.... Coming from the east and Philadelphia, the Conestoga Road was one primary path. A trail made by the Conestoga (Susquehanna) Indians, connecting the Schuylkill and Susquehanna Rivers. Later this trail became the Old Lancaster Road, then the Conestoga Road. Later (circa 1717) this name became famous as the "Prairie Schooner" -- the Conestoga Wagon built and designed by Pennsylvania Germans. Nominally, what we now call the Pennsylvania Dutch -- Dutch = Deutch (with an umlat over the u) Deutch being the German word for German! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/wagon.htm http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/wagons.html http://www.gameo.org/index.asp?content=http://www.gameo.org/ encyclopedia/contents/C6621ME.html http://www.ushistory.org/philadelphia/street_conestoga.htm An interesting set of musings on the path of the "Great Conestoga Road." http://www.hansherr.org/articles.htm T.T.F.N. William H. Magill PM University Lodge 51, GLPA Pennsylvania Lodge of Research Philadelphia, PA magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com

>From: "Ronald Boyd" <ronboyd@qwest.net> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:08:23 -0600 > >Linda, > >There is a plethora of Pennsylvania maps from the 1600s to modern day at: > >http://www.mapsofpa.com/ > >Ron > This is a wonderful site! The big question when you have no real information except a location is "why did they settle there?" often answered by "how did they get there?" The roads often answer the second question and these maps give lots of answers. Brendan >-----Original Message----- >From: lmerle@comcast.net [mailto:lmerle@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:53 PM >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff > >Hi folks, > >Here's a website that has a map of PA in 1760. It shows the location of >various forts used in the French and Indian (Seven Years) War and shows >major migration routes. Scrooollll down! >http://www.mccordfamilyassn.com/pennsylv.htm > ><snip> >Linda Merle > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.384 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 4/7/2006 > >

What you have is the description of how the Sacrament of Holy Communion, the Lord's Supper, the Eucharist or the Mass (depending upon your tradition) was organised in the Church in Gofftown after the Union between the Presbyterians and the Congregationalists in 1801. There are really three attitudes to Communion in the Church. One is that all members (by baptism) are admitted to Communion. In the clearest form this is found in the Churches which practice Adult Baptism. An alternative form is for people who have been baptised and who have undergone a further experience or rite to be admitted to Communion. Both these ideas have people as it were, qualified for admission to Communion for the rest of their lives. This is called open communion. It is found at its clearest in the invitation which runs something like "This is the Table of the Lord, it is not the table of any one Church, We therefore invite any baptised into Christ who love him to join at this his table as conscience and the discipline of their own tradition allow." However those who practice Closed (or Close) Communion, only allow people to come to Communion after they have been catechised by the Elder. Admission to Communion is through the presentation of the Communion token which is given to the person on successful completion of their catechising, and is given up at the barrier which there is around the space where the Communicants sit. What has happened is that Mr. David Morril and wife who have just moved into the area are to be allowed to come to communion but are not being made members until their paperwork comes through from the last place where they were. This paperwork which today is called a disjunction certificate is simply statement of good standing in the Church. This is very much a short direct answer to the question. There is a lot more which could be said about the celebration of the Sacrament in the reformed tradition. Hope that this helps Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Rita Hawthorne [mailto:rhawthorne@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:58 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Addison-Gott I found this bit of information from "The Town of Goffstown" written by Georgel Hadley Plummer. Can anyone explain what it means? "After the union with the Presbyterian Church, the church was well nigh close communion, as the following will illustrate: May 27, 1802, voted "To admit Widow Sarah Addison to occasional Communion"; voted "To admit Mr. David Morril and wife to occasional Communion, till they have opportunity to remove their relations to this church," Mr. Morril having only three months before been ordained as pastor. August 22, 1802, voted "That the ordinance of the 'Lord's Supper be administered to the church on Sabbath, the 24th of this month,' in the Presbyterian mode, and that the Rev. Mr. Fullerton of Antrim be reques After the union with the Presbyterian Church, the church was well nigh close communion, as the following will illustrate: May 27, 1802, voted "To admit Widow Sarah Addison to occasional Communion"; voted "To admit Mr. David Morril and wife to occasional Communion, till they have opportunity to remove their relations to this church," Mr. Morril having only three months before been ordained as pastor. August 22, 1802, voted "That the ordinance of the 'Lord's Supper be administered to the church on Sabbath, the 24th of this month,' in the Presbyterian mode, and that the Rev. Mr. Fullerton of Antrim be requested to attend and assist in administering the ordinance on condition the pastor of this church assist him when requested." http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nh/county/hillsborough/goffstown/book/chap34.htm lat Thank you Rita Addison-Hawthorne

In a message dated 4/10/06 7:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wehrung@hotmail.com writes: > This is a wonderful site! The big question when you have no real > information except a location is "why did they settle there?" often answered > by "how did they get there?" > The roads often answer the second question and these maps give lots of > answers. Don't forget that water played a large part in folks getting around those mountains - specifically, the Susquehanna and the Ohio Rivers, and Lake Eire, and later, the Eire Canal (my Scots-Irish family came to PA that way). An interesting book described how George Washington used the Potomac River to get to PA and then to the Ohio River. Ann

Charles: You might check Hanna's section on early Presbyterian congregations in Ireland, which lists the ministers and their dates of service [The Scotch-Irish, vol. II, Appendix V, page 381.] Look in the index under "Presbyterian ministers in Ireland before 1800" and search for Homes/Holmes etc. That should give you the first name of Rev. Holmes. You might also get hold of "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church". [McConnell, Presbyterian Historical Society, 1951]. It is out of print and hard to find, but it is available on microfilm [LDS film #994,080 item 5]. It has brief biographies of Presbyterian ministers in Ireland from 1613 to 1840. That will probably tell you which of them went to America. There is also a Fasti Ecclesiae Hibernicae, but that covers Church of Ireland ministers. Joyce Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: charles [mailto:jitsu93@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:41 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] RE: Rev. Holmes to Boston, 1718 The given name of Rev. Homes who signed the petition is unknown to me. I'm trying to determine if he did indeed emigrate and where he and his group settled. I'm trying to trace my Holmes ancestry and I feel he is connected to one of the Holmes mentioned in the petition.

Hi Fred, if you type www.google.com and enter manor definition you get plenty to chew on: the mansion of a lord or wealthy person the landed estate of a lord (including the house on it) wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Manorialism or Seigneurialism describes the organization of rural economy and society in medieval western and parts of central Europe, characterised by the vesting of legal and economic power in a lord supported economically from his own direct landholding and from the obligatory contributions of a legally subject part of the peasant population under his jurisdiction. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manor A small holding, typically from 1,200 to 1,800 acres, with its own court and probably its own hall, but not necessarily having a manor house. The manor as a unit of land was generally held by a knight (knight's fee) or managed by a bailiff for some other holder. www.renaissancemagazine.com/glossary/glossaryk-o.html an agricultural estate under the control of a single individual or lord. campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/Glossary/Glossary.index.html manerium, mansio Equivalent to a single holding, with its own court and probably its own hall, but not necessarily a manor house as we think of it. The manor was the basic unit of Domesday. www.domesdaybook.co.uk/glossary.html The granting of land with a demense, peasants and lands considered requisite to sustain a minor noble. The demense was the lord’s personal land, providing for their needs, while the land worked by the peasants provided additional income or food consumed by the lord or his retainers. www.chronique.com/Library/Glossaries/glossary-KCT/gloss_m.htm mansion or main house on an estate, as in: He returned to the ancestral manor every spring. www.business-words.com/dictionary/M.html In medieval England, an estate (unit of land) under the jurisdiction of a lord of the manor. Usually, part of the manor, known as the demesne, was retained by the lord for his own profit, while the remainder was granted to tenants in return either for rent or for services such as cultivating his demesne and attending the manorial court. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citizenship/glossary.htm Estate held by a lord and farmed by tenants who owed him rents and services, and whose relations with him were governed by his manorial court. The unit of territorial lordship, not necessarily coinciding witht eh village or hamlet, often but not invariably containing three elements: demesne, free tenures and customary tenures. home.olemiss.edu/~tjray/medieval/feudal.htm An estate held by a Lord or Lady of the Manor, consisting of demesne land belonging specifically to the Lord and various holdings let out to tenants, the whole being governed by a manorial court according to customs established since time immemorial. The estate did not necessarily form a contiguous geographical area. freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alefounder/ManorialTerms.html A group of lands, not necessarily geographically contiguous, managed as an economic and administrative unit. Typically between 500 and 3000 acres in size, the manor is controlled by a lord who, if not the king, holds the estate by some form of land tenure from another lord. If this lord is not the king, he or she in turn holds from yet another lord, and so on until the second-to-last lord in the chain holds from the king. ... www.aedificium.org/Glossary.html The district over which the court of a Lord of the Manor had authority www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/site/glossary.htm Linda Merle

Hi Fred, Way back in the Middle Ages (and no doubt, before), the way things were done in England (and beyond) was that you had large farms. They were not just farms. There was very little of what we'd call 'central government'. So these farming units also had courts, were responsible for maintaining local roads, provided money and soldiers to the king, etc. They were both units of government and farms. They were headed by a guy who 'owned' it or rather held it from the king (no one owned land in the accepted sense) and he generally prefered to not live in a stinky hut with his pigs and tenants. So since the tenants owed him so many days of work for such privileges as protection from theives, they did what he told him, which included farming the manor land and building a big house, the manor house. The feudal system was brought to Scotland by its kings and onto Ireland by various English kings. When Ulster was finally subdues in the early 1600s a series of manors were also set up in it. This being the end of the feudal era, by the early 1800s, these became largely obsolete along with church parishes as an arm of government (parish poor houses). Some Ulster parish court records are published. For example "On the Shining Bann" has records from the late 1700s and early 1800s. No, I will not do any lookups. There is no index in the book. The published index is printed like the book in 2 point print! I don't gouge out eyes or do lookups from this book...sorry, not perfected the art of martrydom yet <grin>!! Maybe someone else will volunteer??? Pennsylvania was also set up with manors in the 1600s. If you read books on Pennsylvania land records, you will learn about manors too. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: RMcfa45544@aol.com > I have read the first part of Guide Book by Rouston. I find the word > "Manor" I have an > idea what it is but can anyone tell me for sure of a good definition of what > it is and > what it is for ? I have used Websters already, I am wondering if this > might mean a > Manor house ? And if so same questions ? > If I can get this for sure I think I have found more of the family that > stayed in Ireland ? > Not sure yet , but if not I have found them in Penn and other places..... > Thank you for any help that may come my way. Fred > >

I have read the first part of Guide Book by Rouston. I find the word "Manor" I have an idea what it is but can anyone tell me for sure of a good definition of what it is and what it is for ? I have used Websters already, I am wondering if this might mean a Manor house ? And if so same questions ? If I can get this for sure I think I have found more of the family that stayed in Ireland ? Not sure yet , but if not I have found them in Penn and other places..... Thank you for any help that may come my way. Fred

Linda, There is a plethora of Pennsylvania maps from the 1600s to modern day at: http://www.mapsofpa.com/ Ron -----Original Message----- From: lmerle@comcast.net [mailto:lmerle@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:53 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Early PA Map 1760 and some other stuff Hi folks, Here's a website that has a map of PA in 1760. It shows the location of various forts used in the French and Indian (Seven Years) War and shows major migration routes. Scrooollll down! http://www.mccordfamilyassn.com/pennsylv.htm <snip> Linda Merle -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.384 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 4/7/2006

Presbyterianism is above everything else a form of Church Government. The key issue is parity of Presbyters and Hierarchy of Courts. What this means is that in theory all those who have been ordained to the Eldership are equal, and the Government is through some or all of the traditional courts of the Church, Kirk Session, Presbytery Synod and General Assembly. Different bodies, and even Presbyterians organised in different countries may do it slightly different, but that is the framework. In a tradition of Presbyterianism, the elders are divided up into teaching elders and ruling elders. The Ministers are the teaching elders and members of the congregation who have been ordained into the office of the Eldership are the Ruling elders. The exact position of the elders varies from tradition to tradition. In the Church of Scotland the ordination of elders is carried out by the Kirk Session of which they are going to be members, while for example in Ireland the ordination of elders is carried out by the Presbytery. Strictly speaking you do not have "clergy" in the Reformed Tradition (Presbyterianism) you have Ministers of Word and Sacrament. (However the difference between them and clergy is so small that no one ever bothers with the difference.) The people whom you are talking about therefore would have been members of the Congregation called and ordained to the government of the congregation. Very often this office ran in families and there were certain social and economic advantages. Hope that this helps Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Hamilton [mailto:jhamilton4@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 8:10 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] RE: Rev. Holmes to Boston, 1718 Dear Charles: If this is not your line, Bolton also lists "Holmes" settlers, some of whom were Ruling Elders, but do not appear to be clergy: Thomas Holmes from Coleraine settled in Dracut John Holmes, his brother, settled in Boston

... and does anyone know if those from the Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh have been published? and/or are online? Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles" <jitsu93@yahoo.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:46 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Coleraine--Grave Marker Inscriptions >I know the Ulster Historical Foundation had a project of recording grave >marker inscriptions. There were published books. > > Does anyone know whether Coleraine's have been recorded. > > thanks, Charles > > >