Greetings all Just to let you know, that I have added extracts from the Edinburgh Tolbooth registers that refer to Scots transported to the colonies ( America and west Indies). Also pages of signatories to the Covenant of 1638 in the parishes of Borgue and Minigaff, Galloway. Many of these people ended up in Ireland and went on to become SIs. Go to the Covenanters Index at www.thereformation.info Hope they are of interest and even help in the unending quest. Brian

Just FYI.....~malinda owner-bmr-l@brynmawr.edu wrote: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-bmr-l@brynmawr.edu Subject: BMR: O'Sullivan, Hospitality in Medieval Ireland (Waters) (from TMR 06.05.03) O'Sullivan, Catherine Marie, Hospitality in Medieval Ireland, 900-1500. Dublin, Four Courts Press, 2004. Pp. 272. 45 GBP [$55 USD]. ISBN 1851827455 (hb). Reviewed by Keith Waters Durham University keith.waters@dur.ac.uk As the author herself points out, the social and cultural history of medieval Ireland is a much neglected topic. Recent scholarship has begun to redress this imbalance and this monograph is another step towards balance. This work provides both an excellent introduction to the medieval Irish customs of hospitality and a thorough discussion of a number of facets of this custom. This work also offers important insights and considerable context for topics which have long been discussed by political historians. Hospitality in medieval Ireland was more than just the courteous treatment of guests (as the modern usage suggests). It covered a variety of situations from the unknown traveller seeking shelter for the night to a lord's right to billet troops on his vassals or to, himself, stay with them while making a circuit of his lands. Nor was hospitality only a matter of custom: strict guidelines concerning the duties of a host towards guests (depending on their rank and profession) were laid out in Irish law along with harsh penalties for failure to abide by them. This volume sets out to address hospitality from a number of angles. The author addresses the classes of travellers who were entitled to hospitality and discusses what each grade could expect in terms of food, lodging and treatment as well as discussing who was required to supply hospitality and the particular demands placed on certain groups such as religious institutions, professional guesthouse keepers and the learned classes. She also addresses the demands hospitality placed on households and institutions of varying means. Additionally, she explores the reasons this rigid system of hospitality was in place as well as the advantages which the hospitable host could accrue through his actions. These issues are considered over a wide chronological span which actually extends beyond the time frame indicated in the title. The author draws on seventh- and eighth-century law texts as well as a variety of sixteenth century evidence, particularly firsthand accounts of Irish hospitality. Overall, the author handles her expansive time frame well. She keeps the reader informed regarding what portion of this chronological range is under discussion and usually makes clear the dating of the evidence she is utilising but there are points, particularly in Chapter 2, when the time frame under discussion is less defined. In the introduction, the author explains the layout of the work and makes reference to the scant secondary literature on this topic. She also includes a brief discussion of the scholarly work and methodologies which informed her own research methods. The first chapter examines the categories of source material used by the author. She provides information on the origins and content of these categories, with particular reference to what each type of source offers to the discussion of hospitality. However, there is no discussion of the limitations and problems associated with each class of document. While these issues are addressed later, their inclusion in this chapter could have made it an even more useful resource for students of hospitality. The second chapter serves as a brief introduction to hospitality as it was practised in Ireland and discusses the "recipients of medieval Ireland's hospitality". (31) This chapter introduces the reader to the breadth of customs that come under the mantle of 'hospitality'. It is worth noting that one aspect of Irish hospitality which has received considerable attention from political historians (often without an understanding for the context) comes under discussion here: a form of obligatory hospitality adopted by the Anglo-Irish under the name 'coigne and livery'. In the third chapter, the author makes good use of the limited source material to briefly discuss hospitality as it affected the 'ordinary householders'. Chapter four deals with hospitality and the nobility. This chapter offers considerable insight into the role of hospitality in Irish politics with particular attention given to what nobles could hope to achieve or gain through hospitality, though discussion of the latter point does prove repetitive in places. The role of noble women in hospitality is also discussed. The fifth chapter deals with guesthouse-keepers. The author divides these individuals into three groups: "Hospitallers, Churchmen and Professional Learned Men". (120) The chapter is sharply divided into three sections and each of these groups is discussed individually. The author notes in this chapter that there seems to be a decline in hospitallers following the Anglo-Norman invasion but gives no conjecture on the reason. Unfortunately this is the only comment on the changes (or lack thereof?) wrought by the Anglo-Norman invasion on the custom of hospitality in Ireland. The sixth and final chapter primarily addresses the church's philosophy and teaching on hospitality but there is some overlap with the previous chapter as it also moves into the application of this philosophy. Unfortunately, the volume does not end strongly. There are no concluding remarks and the volume ends with an appendix which contains eleven entries on specific aspects of hospitality including topics such as reception, food and drink, sleeping arrangements and accommodation of guests which might have been integrated into the main text. Nevertheless, this volume constitutes a considerable contribution to the historiography of medieval Ireland and provides a launching point for continued research into hospitality in medieval Ireland. It also contributes to our understanding of the behaviour of Irish magnates (and Anglo-Irish magnates in the later period) and their relationship with their clients/tenants as well as to a wider understanding of the culture and society of medieval Ireland.

I have updated the Rathfriland section of my website. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

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I have started putting information on the Rathfriland section of my website, this section will be under construction for the next few weeks, anyone wanting information concerning their ancestors to put on my website please email it to me, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6075 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

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Greetings List, I found the following listing in the PRONI Registered Freeholders site: Barony of Lower Orier, Co. Armagh Freeholders name Abode Landlord # 69 HAMILTON, James Demore Maxwell CLOSE, Esq. Name of Lives or other Tenure Place and Date of Register John HAMILTON Pointspass July 14, 1823 Letitia WILLIAMSON Jas. HAMILTON # 81 HAMILTON, James Demore Maxwell CLOSE John, Letitia, and do. Dec. 10, 1823 James HAMILTON #1 I was unable to locate Demore and Pointspass (MapQuest) #2 Did Letitia marry John or James between July 14th and Dec. 10th? My G-Grandparents named children: #1 William, #2 James, #3 John and #4 Latitia.( James could be either side) They married in Wisconsin, USA in 1858 I would appreciate any help in Identifying locales in #1. Where to look for a marriage for Letitia in Ireland. Ron

Hello! I am searching for information about the ancestors of Hugh St.Clair (born in County Tyrone, Ireland about 1765) and his wife Rebecca Beatty. They came to the United States around 1802. I have quite a bit of information on them after they arrived in the US, but nothing about their parents, siblings, etc. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Pam in CO

Hi Knut, there's a huge amount of information as well as maps. Some you can find on the Internet. One way is to go through www.usgenweb.com to the county. There is huge amount of information also on Pennsylvania land acquisition. As a general rule, they didn't build forts illegally. However the term 'fort' is used ambigiously in the 1700s. There were forts built by our government to protect us from the French and the Indians. There were also small places of shelter constantly built by settlers for protection. Often these were quite small and often they were 'manned' by settlers. They could quite possibly be illegal. If you spend some time googling you will find a lot. There's a website that identifies every known French and Indian War fort and gives a history of it. I googled for Fort Bingham and found this: http://www.geocities.com/naforts/panorcentral.html#bingham as well as countless others. Also check our archives as we've discussed PA land acquisition several times. No time to regurgitate it again! You can also check the free guide to PA research at LDS (www.familysearch.org). The definitive work is "Pennsylavani Land Records" by Munger -- if you google for it you'll find plenty of references. Not only details land acquisition but also the records and how to find them in Harrisburg (and LDS as many are in LDS). Best of luck! Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Knut W. Barde" <kbarde@ocsnet.net> > Are there any maps that show when particular portions of land within the > British grant to Penn were ceded (sic) by the legal representatives of the > native American owners to the colonial government by purchase and treaty? > > For example, in 1756, was Fort Bingham on land recognized by the colonial > government as Indian territory or on land rightfully (sic) purchased by the > government through a treaty with the legal representatives of native > Americans? > > Knut > >

Are there any maps that show when particular portions of land within the British grant to Penn were ceded (sic) by the legal representatives of the native American owners to the colonial government by purchase and treaty? For example, in 1756, was Fort Bingham on land recognized by the colonial government as Indian territory or on land rightfully (sic) purchased by the government through a treaty with the legal representatives of native Americans? Knut

Well, whilst this Beattie mania is going on may I mention mine. James Beatty. Born about 1810 in Feney, Magheralin, Co. Down. Father to my great-great-grandmother Elizabeth Beattie. Elizabeth was married in Lurgan Methodist church in 1876 to one Richardson Hewitt. One of the witnesses at the wedding was one William Beattie. And that I am afraid is about all I know. David

Linda, I'm pretty sure this could be regarded as off-topic, but I just finished a great read, one that gave me a "feel" for what it was like to be Irish and among the "outs" in 17th, 18th and 19th century Ireland. It's the follow up to Rutherford's novel "Princes of Ireland" called "Rebels of Ireland." My only disappointment was that it had much too little to say about the Presbyterians of Ulster, although they did sort of follow a trio of brothers in the linen trade, one of whom stayed in Ulster, one who went to Dublin to expand the business (and became Catholic, which split that family) and the other who went to America. The part of the 860-page tome that dealt with the Famine, in my personal opinion, came near the standards of Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath." Even though a novel, it hits the gut with enough historical facts and characters to satisfy. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.

Hi Forrest, > I wonder would there be a tithe > applotmant book around the time of my 8X g-grandfather Francis HOBSON and of > Valentine HOLLINGSWORTH, in the early 17th c? The short answer is no. If you do some reading on Tithe Applotments you'll quickly learn that what we call "Tithe Applotments" was an all Ireland project. That's why it's so valuable. Excepting for the ones we don't have (only a few) we have these records for all of Ireland. Thus it is a very good census substitute. You can read about it here: http://www.shrule.com/_shrule/_display.php?fid=18&pid=186 I found this page by typing www.google.com into my brower and then Tithe Applotments. There are 592 other documents on the INternet on it. Some will actually be transcriptions. You have more of a chance of finding something interesting in these pages than going to Vegas or Atlantic City today and tossing away pennies in slot machines. But I gotta go out so you gotta do the looking. There's a massive amount of stuff to know about these things and if you don't learn you will miss all kinds of clues. This we cannot afford when we got so few clues to start with <grin>! Before that there were tithes collected in the parishes and sometimes records of those survive as well as other types of parish documentation like vestry books. Over in Engerland where the parish system functioned, unlike Ireland, where it, like everything else, didn't, you have 'parish chests' (that were really a huge chest!) full of all kinda goodies. I think they boiled them for broth in IReland during the Famine...but some parish records do survive. You'd check the LDS catalog (spending an hour or two trying out different searches) and the usual sources like Ryan "Irish Records" for it, and if really serious there's always Hayes and Smiths Inventories. (www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa ). Of course for any of this to be useful you gotta know the parish and many times we don't. s you know, Francis was tried > convicted and jailed for not paying tithe and Valentine had his crops > regularly raided by the King's tax collectors. I am always looking for > additional details about the death of my 8X g-grandfather. His death isn't likely to be in the tithes. Once you croak you don't have to pay tithes on Planet Earth any more <grin>. Try wills, both parish and prorogative....or rather the indexes and secondary collections that survive the Four Courts Fire. Deeds too. You might also embark on a search of court records (that survive) to see if he was a big enough non payer of tithes to make it into court records, on up to parlimentary records. For example possibly a list of non payers was submitted to Parliament. Next question is which Parliament? That depends on when your ancestor wasn't paying taxes. As a consequence of the United Irish Rebellion, the Irish Parliament was disolved and Ireland was ruled directly from London. Most likely a nice list was found by a real scholar already and published, so maybe checking Hayes is a better use of time....Donno!! Usually we on this list can't find no Irish records. Actually there's a huge amount but we don't know how to find them or use them. The cure is education. To do that you can start on line but you gotta do some reading and course taking, alas. Sometimes we hire someone in Dublin or Belfast. They go to PRONI or NAI and can't find anything. We think that's it. There's nothing. No. There's nothing in those two places that are easy to find given what we know. There's possibly a lot of stuff or at least a clue or two elsewhere or in the same places. I have here a huge fat book with long lists of Irish things in English repositories. You gotta learn to use Hayes and Smiths Inventories and such to find stuff. Salt Lake aggregates stuff from all over the British Isles. It's a better place to look for ancestors than in Dublin or Belfast unless you know you want a specific rcord that is only in one of thoes places. I once listened to fascinating record on Irish records in London. Ame! ricans never 'go there' to do Irish genealogy because they don't understand what's there to be had there. All kinds of things like apprenticeship records from the early 1700s (filmed in LDS too so you don't even need to cross the ocean to see them). If your brick wall is that you run out of records to hunt through, that's a sign that you need to get more education and do more research. You might need to pause and re evaluate what you do have to find more clues. However we should have a long list of things we want to check in Dublin, PRONI, Salt Lake, DC, etc, etc. If you think you know what's in Salt Lake, you are deluding yourself. I once heard a talk from a director and HE was always finding stuff he didn't know he had and struggling to understand the catalog constantly. But I do recall the day when I thought I had "done" Salt Lake very clearly myself. Nope, and I still haven't viewed those 70 film from PRONI that's there, only a few. Or the huge collection of Irish genealogy from the SOG (Society of Genealogists) in London. Linda Merle

And Dear Brian, do you have any HART surnames mentioned? I hesitate asking this, as I believe you are going to be hounded with requests, but it was too good a possibility for me to bypass it! Karen Hart Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene V. Barnes" <evbarnes@earthlink.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Re: JOHN BETTY/BEATY/ BEATTIE kING CHARLES`ARMY. > Brian: does your book have any mention of the surname Alexander ? > > Gene Barnes > Costa Mesa, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Orr" <brian@orrnamestudy.com> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:39 AM > Subject: JOHN BETTY/BEATY/ BEATTIE kING CHARLES`ARMY. > > >>I just happen to have the "Irish Army Lists of King Charles II 1661 - >>1685. Ed Charles Dalton, Pub by De Burca (2000) reprint of first edition >>1907. ISBN 0-946130-33-7. >> >> John Betty/Beaty/ certainly served - there are 9 entries as he appears >> in assorted Musters between May 1661 and 10 July 1680. He was a >> commissioned officer - as a Quartermaster, the most important job of the >> lot - never mind the killing. >> >> The entries are: >> May 1661 QM of Earl of Montrath`s Regiment. >> May 1662, QM of the Late Earl of Montrath`s regt. >> Juky 1662, Commissioned at Dublin 28 July 1662. >> Nov 1664 Qm at Catherlogh. >> 17 April 1672 QM of Sir Arthur Forbes Regy of Horse >> 22 March 1674/5 QM - as above- >> 22 August 1677 Commissioned QM in The Horse in Ireland >> 25 December 1678 Muster, QM, North east Military Circuit, at Killishandra >> 10 July 1689 - as above -. >> >> Enjoy ! >> >> Brian >> > > >

Hi Brian, Just checked that is a different John Beatty from mine. Do you have records for the Battle of the Boyne? That is the only Battle / Time frame that John and James Beatty were supposed to be in the English Army... How would I research this?? Nelda Nelda and everyone, Actually, the John Beatty/Betty listed as the Quartermaster between 1661 and 1680 is part of Lineage 8 and is identified as such by Philip Crossle. He is well documented in the Crossle notes. This John lived at Corr, Killeshandra, County Cavan, and was the eldest son and executor of John Beatye or Beatty, who left a will at Killeshandra in 1681. He served at Keelagh Castle, Killeshandra, under Sir Francis Hamilton, where there are a number of references to his service. I believe he had retired from the service by the 1690s, the time of the Williamite wars. He was married twice, first to Margaret Layng and second to Mary Young. He left a prerogative will dated 1729 and had descendants. John A member of a different list... I'm still looking for my John and James in the Battle of the Boyne 1690... Thanks Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Re: JOHN BETTY/BEATY/ BEATTIE kING CHARLES`ARMY. Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:27:45 -0700 Hello Brian, How kind of you.. Is there any way to lock in this John Betty/Beatty as being born in Aryshire, Scotland? and Could you also give me the info on his brother James Beatty. You are a real dear heart! thank you Best Regards Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member

Hi Forrest, You are right that it is not unusual to find Methodist and CofE both listed. Those who have read the chapter in Falley "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research" will understand it much better. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Forrest Plumstead" <fplum1@gmail.com> > Hi Mardi! > > My 2X g-grandfather James Plumstead III, moved from England to Canada in mid > 19th c. In the Canadian census and he was listed as CoE, and Weslyan Meth. > His death cert listed CoE. So it may not be unusual for both to be listed. > His grandfather James I was a Congretaional Minister in > Yorkshire/Lincolnshire England. There were ties between that church and the > Methodists. > > Any way that is my two cents, which by todays inflation may be worthless. > > Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com > Researching the following Surnames: > Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, > Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt > Plumstead and Associated Families: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ > Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ > Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mardi Carlson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] New to List (researching Beatty) > > > > Linda > > I did leave out religion shame on me. They were Anglican (Church of > > England) in Canada. In one census in Canada one of the family members was > > listed as Methodist. > > > > Do you have a good or even great online site to learn about Irish > > Genealogy? > > I understand very little, but have picked up on a few things from > > listening on the lists. > > > > Mardi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] New to List (researching Beatty) > > > > > >> Hi Mardi and welcome to the list! > >> > >> You have traced your ancestors back to a specific place in Ireland and > >> apparently you are wanting to know what to do next??? > >> > >> Probably two things. One is to continue gathering info about them in > >> Canada in order to develop a good profile. Just like on TV when looking > >> for a killer the more you know the more likely you are to bag your man. > >> > >> The second thing to do is learn how to do Irish genealogy. That's really > >> critical because Ireland's records are very different from other > >> countries. > >> > >> You might also grab a book or so to learn how to leverage your Scottish > >> connection too. Scotland does have good records and by using the censuses > >> and civil registration (as well as OPRs) you can locate other family > >> members who might have additional info on the family in Ireland. > >> > >> I have two lines of Beatties, one on each side. My father's were Scottish > >> border Beatties who headed up the east coast of Scotland in the early > >> 1600s and eventually settled in Polmont in the 1830s. My mother's side > >> entered the Irish army in the mid 1600s from Ayrshire and settled in > >> Ireland due to the Williamite settlement. There were two brothers who > >> were officers in King WIlliam's army. The one is well documented in > >> Egle's PA genealogies. He settled in County Down where he had 15 > >> children, populating the planet with Beatties. Mine was in Antrim. We > >> left in 1729, settling in New York area where there were Ulster Scots. > >> > >> However if you check "The Scots-Irish" you'll see that native Beatties > >> were given small estates in Cavan (I think it was) at the start of the > >> public plantation. They lost these by the Williamite Settlement. These > >> ones were Catholic. Religion is key here and one of the things you've not > >> shared. > >> > >> You can get a fair amount of local history in Fermanagh, depending on > >> where they were, that might give you an idea where yours originated: as > >> native Irish or Scots settlers. > >> > >> You can locate Irish county resources in various books like Ryan's "Irish > >> Records", but a check of the Tithe Applotment index on CD will give you a > >> free two second idea of where in Fermanagh that Beatties lived and also > >> give you an idea of how common or uncommon the name "James Beattie" was. > >> > >> Linda Merle > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: "Mardi Carlson" > >> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> I am new to list. I am looking for any info on these people or how to > >>> find > >>> the info on theses People. Any help appreciated. > >>> > >>> James Beatty b. c. 1786 Co. Fermanagh never married in Ireland, He was a > >>> school teacher in Ireland before he immigrated to New Brunswick Canada > >>> in > >>> 1818 and married in 1820's. > >>> > >>> Brothers: > >>> William Beatty married Lucy they immigrated to New Brunswick Canada in > >>> 1816. > >>> > >>> John Beatty had a son named Benjamin. Location unknown. > >>> > >>> Benjamin Beatty possible he died near Portpatrick Scotland before 1852. > >>> > >>> Sisters: > >>> Esther Beatty married a Mayne and living in Portpatrick in 1852. > >>> > >>> Esther Beatty married a Brown and was living near Brooksborough, Co. > >>> Fermanagh in 1852. > >>> > >>> My gggrandfather William would be a son of one of James brothers, as he > >>> was his nephew. William b. c.1803 in Ireland married Margaret and had 4 > >>> kids namely Robert, James, Thomas and John before emigrating from > >>> Ireland to > >>> New Brunswick, Canada in 1836. > >>> > >>> In 1836 two other Beatty's immigrated to New Brunswick a Catherine > >>> Beatty > >>> and a Thomas Jasper Beatty. Thomas Jasper and William settled in the > >>> same > >>> area Kings County, NB and both attended the same church. I am under the > >>> assumption that they must of been relatives. Thomas Jasper was b. 1803 > >>> in > >>> Ireland. I do not know if they were brothers or cousins, or if it was > >>> just > >>> a big coincedence. But hightly doubt the later. > >>> > >>> Any Suggestions on what to try next??? > >>> Mardi > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > >

Hello Brian, How kind of you.. Is there any way to lock in this John Betty/Beatty as being born in Aryshire, Scotland? and Could you also give me the info on his brother James Beatty. You are a real dear heart! thank you Best Regards Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member

Brian: does your book have any mention of the surname Alexander ? Gene Barnes Costa Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Orr" <brian@orrnamestudy.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:39 AM Subject: JOHN BETTY/BEATY/ BEATTIE kING CHARLES`ARMY. >I just happen to have the "Irish Army Lists of King Charles II 1661 - >1685. Ed Charles Dalton, Pub by De Burca (2000) reprint of first edition >1907. ISBN 0-946130-33-7. > > John Betty/Beaty/ certainly served - there are 9 entries as he appears in > assorted Musters between May 1661 and 10 July 1680. He was a commissioned > officer - as a Quartermaster, the most important job of the lot - never > mind the killing. > > The entries are: > May 1661 QM of Earl of Montrath`s Regiment. > May 1662, QM of the Late Earl of Montrath`s regt. > Juky 1662, Commissioned at Dublin 28 July 1662. > Nov 1664 Qm at Catherlogh. > 17 April 1672 QM of Sir Arthur Forbes Regy of Horse > 22 March 1674/5 QM - as above- > 22 August 1677 Commissioned QM in The Horse in Ireland > 25 December 1678 Muster, QM, North east Military Circuit, at Killishandra > 10 July 1689 - as above -. > > Enjoy ! > > Brian >

I just happen to have the "Irish Army Lists of King Charles II 1661 - 1685. Ed Charles Dalton, Pub by De Burca (2000) reprint of first edition 1907. ISBN 0-946130-33-7. John Betty/Beaty/ certainly served - there are 9 entries as he appears in assorted Musters between May 1661 and 10 July 1680. He was a commissioned officer - as a Quartermaster, the most important job of the lot - never mind the killing. The entries are: May 1661 QM of Earl of Montrath`s Regiment. May 1662, QM of the Late Earl of Montrath`s regt. Juky 1662, Commissioned at Dublin 28 July 1662. Nov 1664 Qm at Catherlogh. 17 April 1672 QM of Sir Arthur Forbes Regy of Horse 22 March 1674/5 QM - as above- 22 August 1677 Commissioned QM in The Horse in Ireland 25 December 1678 Muster, QM, North east Military Circuit, at Killishandra 10 July 1689 - as above -. Enjoy ! Brian

Hi folks, Here's some family history from the papers of DeWitt Clinton: http://www.history.rochester.edu/canal/bib/campbell/Chap01.html Additional stuff on parent page: http://www.history.rochester.edu/canal/bib/campbell/Contents.html Linda Merle...