I don't have a Roy Wesley McCaw in my tree - sorry about that. My 3rd cousins tree does have a Roy and Wesley hence I thought maybe there could be a link. Anything is worth a try, Susan

This post doesn't seem to have made it through so I will send it again. I apologize to the listers for not knowing what would happen to the information I sent. Ann In a message dated 3/14/2010 10:36:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am sorry, Linda. I didn't realize that forwarding that newsletter from the Ulster Amercian Society would come through that way. It was a big mess and seems to have shown the parts I wasn't interested in and skipped the good stuff. I see now that I should have forwarded it to you and let you pick out the useful parts, if you wanted to. Or I should have just posted the interesting pieces about where Ulster Heritage Foundation's spring genealogy tour would be taking them. That part doesn't seem to have come through at all and I think it is of general interest to people on this list. I attended it last year when they came to Seattle and it was well worth my time and that of our Irish genealogy group members who also attended. Irish and Scots-Irish genealogy lecture tour The Ulster Historical Foundation announced their Irish and Scots Irish genealogy lecture tour for March 2010: * Philadelphia, PA -- Saturday, March 13th * Lancaster, PA -- Sunday, March 14th * Raleigh, NC -- Monday, March 15th * Naples (Ave Maria University), FL -- Tuesday, March 16th * Lincoln, NE -- Wednesday, March 17th * Bethpage (Long Island), NY -- Saturday March 20th * * Information at: _http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?id=1027&backPID=1008&tt_news=61_ (http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?id=1027&backPID=1008&tt_news=61) I also enjoyed watching those "A Dander with Drennan" videos that were linked in the newsletter, especially when he talked to people about the Ulster Scots dialect and about how closely linked the Ulster people were with the Galloway folks just a short boat ride across the water. Although maybe that belongs on a "culture" list. I apologize, and promised to not make THAT mistake again. Ann

Dang, Marlene, that's two things we are alike on! I used to make all kinds of breads, using all kinds of grains..and I was taught by my grandmother..and it came down her side of the family..my Steele's from Londonderry. And NONE of us are dainty little things. My kids grew up learning how to bake all kinds of bread and loved doing it. I was in an Amish area and could get a lot of freshly ground wheat. Donna

We have Amish living in our county, they've traveled to Ohio and Indiana to find large enough farms. My daughter loves to cook and someone gave her a recipe for Amish Bread...She had to quit making it as it called for doing things to it and at work, that was a little hard for her to do. The bread is very good. I could help her out now as I retired, but she says she doesn't want to mess with it. [She's just getting old] >grin> I was born just before WWII and so we had to do without a lot. Sliced bread came about after the war. Lord, I think my grandchildren wouldn't believe me on that one. I was only about 6. So it meant nothing to me, just Mom. I think I'll buy some whole wheat flour and make some bread. That sound so good and I can smell it already! Marlene On Mar 14, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Donna Nichols wrote: > Dang, Marlene, that's two things we are alike on! > I used to make all kinds of breads, using all kinds of grains..and I > was taught by my grandmother..and it came down her side of the > family..my Steele's from Londonderry. And NONE of us are dainty > little things. My kids grew up learning how to bake all kinds of > bread and loved doing it. I was in an Amish area and could get a lot > of freshly ground wheat. > > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well the protestants over there are a bit bloody, eh? Marlene On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, EDWARD ANDREWS wrote: > A cultural question. >  William of Orange, Son in Law of King James II and IIV, husband of > Princess Mary James' Daughter by Anne Hyde, who invaded the UK in > 1688, and was appointed King of the United Kingdom and Ireland when > his Father in Law was seen as threatening the Protestant interest in > England. >  In the course of the subsequent fighting in Scotland and Ireland King > William led the anti French forces, who were supporting James at the > Battle of the Boyne. 1 July (old Style) 1690, now celebrated on 12 > July. >  Seen as a Protestant Hero, (though he was probably gay). >  Linda with her tongue in her cheek picked him as the symbol of the > Scotch Irish who's future would have been at risk had William not been > secured on his throne. Also known as King Billy, the Orange Order > (Google) takes his name from the Prince of Orange. > >  A protestant toast goes > To the > glorious, pious and immortal memory of King William III, who > saved us from rogues and roguery, slaves and slavery, knaves > and > knavery, > from brass money and wooden shoes: and whoever denies this > toast > may he > be slammed, crammed and jammed into the muzzle of the great gun > of Athlone, > and the gun fired into the Pope's belly, and the Pope into the > devil's > belly, and the devil into hell, and the door locked, and the > key > forever > in an Orangeman's pocket. > Edward Andrews > > --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Karen <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Karen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 13:58 > > Ok, I give up.  Who is King Billy? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. >> >> Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >>> Ulster >>> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >>> doesn't >>> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >>> least) or >>> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >>> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, >>> they had >>> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >>> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made >>> unlawful. Our >>> lowland Scots ancestors would >>> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >>> caught walking around in Washington >>> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >>> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >>> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >>> about the truth. >>> >>> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a >>> lot of >>> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >>> full of >>> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >>> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern >>> breakfast is >>> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >>> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her >>> ancesters >>> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of >>> different >>> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >>> >>> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >>> more room for the food. >>> >>> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >>> challenge >>> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >>> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >>> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the >>> ancestor >>> brought it from Scotland: >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >>> >>> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >>> our >>> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >>> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >>> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >>> an >>> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >>> Irish, >>> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >>> christianized the >>> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >>> proud! >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >>> >>> Maybe something here? >>> >>> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>>> planet, >>>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>>> >>>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>>> is >>>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>>> >>>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>>> got >>>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>>> Irish >>>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>>> little >>>> bitmap? >>>> >>>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>>> Scots, >>>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>>> network >>>> for your heritage?) >>>> >>>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>>> phone >>>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hummmm Marlene On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:58 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > A wee hannelin. Is that good or bad? > > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston > Sent: 08 March 2010 14:47 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > Ach, then one gets into the argument about which whisky label to > use... ;-) > SNIP > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Edward: You have a sound idea and I am not sure what I could add, but I sure would be questioning. I have books on the Scots-Irish and that is part of my ancestor line. I wish you the best. My McClures came over here as grown men [6] with their father before 1690. Marlene On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Edward Andrews wrote: > Some time ago after a discussion on the Scotch-Irish list I decided > that I > would start a cultural list. Over the past few years the Scotch-Irish > list > has developed in genealogical terms and in no longer the place where > there > use to be cosy discussions about the more esoteric features of > Scotch-Irish > Culture and History. I have also discovered the Irish Scots list which > while > it is not directly connected to the Scotch-Irish saga, does point the > Ulster > Scots to that part of the common experience of Irishness which is > shared by > people from all parts of Ireland, that of being a paddy in Britain. > > I however believe that it is important to affirm the experience of the > Scotch Irish tribe before they left for America, acknowledging that > there is > still a substantial remnant in Ireland, which while it may or may not > have > a strong political basis depending who you are talking to. > > I will be posting definitely on Scotch - Irish, and I hope on > Irish-Scots to > encourage people, not withstanding the name to come here for discussion > about the Scots Irish. What I will be saying will be based on what I > have > written here, and is simply going to be an invitation for people to > come and > post. > Edward Andrews > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:08 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> What is the culture list? >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a couple of questions that may seem ignorant to most of you. Is the orange/white/green flag of Northern Ireland or the other counties...Yes, I forget the name. What are the flag colors of the other part? About 50-55 years ago when I was in high school [grades 9-12] I had Catholic friends, but there was always a strain of some sort. I have a couple of Catholic friends now, and our friendship is closer and we have fun. But back then friendships were a bit odd. The Catholic people had an attitude which made you back off Marlene. On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Edward Andrews wrote: > Really this is something which we should be discussing in the Culture > list - > > > As an Ulster Scot now living in Scotland I am very aware that I am not > Scottish. I have some different attitudes, and in some cases different > values from the Scots around me. > > As far as the Church is concerned, the PCI and the Kirk are quite > different. Part of this is that early Irish Presbyterianism was > influenced > by English Congregationalism, and there were quite strong tensions > between > the Irish refugees who took refuge in, I think, Irvine during the time > of > the Black Oaths, and even the Covenanted Kirk. > > What had happened by 1912 was that the Protestants who were also > Unionists > were working hard on affirming a UK identity. I was very much brought > up as > being a Scot in exile. The Irish nationalists, right until the Belfast > (Good > Friday) Agreement where it was decided that all the cultures of > Northern > Ireland were to be equally affirmed, very much tied in being Irish with > Gaelic speaking Roman Catholicism. One of the funniest things about > this is > that the only area of Britain which is largely comfortable with the > Theology > of Ian Paisley. The irony is that the general language and in many > places > the language of preference for worship is Gaelic. > > The idea of the Ulster Scot / Scotch Irish was an affirmation of this > separated state. The Scotch Irish in America were to distinguish them > from > the famine refugees in the 1840s and thereafter. I wish someone would > check > this one up, perhaps at the time of your Rebellion it was also used to > distinguish us from the Scots who in large numbers were supporters of > the > Status Quo that the idea of Ulster Scots was perhaps developed. > > Come over to Culture where we can argue this one. > Edward > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnalangbank >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> But my husbands Presbyterian relatives who moved from donegal >> to Scotland in 1912 used to say they were Scottish as being >> Irish was not seen as a good thing!!! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:32, Penny Bonnar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. >>> >>> Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >>>> Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. >>>> There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the >>>> Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see >> immediately was >>>> an improvement. On the negative side the natives were >> unfriendly but >>>> on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The fake >>>> highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore them, >>>> before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots >> ancestors would as >>>> soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >>>> caught walking around in Washington DC in a loincloth with >> tomahawk! >>>> Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders as Andy was of Indians, >>>> too. >>>> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so >> who cares >>>> about the truth. >>>> >>>> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we >> grew a lot >>>> of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the >> bakeries are >>>> full of all kinds of breads you will find no where else in >> Ireland -- >>>> or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous >> southern >>>> breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not >> called the >>>> Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, >>>> though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 years before, was still >>>> enjoying a lot of different breads -- that's a sign that >> she was an >>>> Ulster girl. >>>> >>>> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so >> you will have >>>> more room for the food. >>>> >>>> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >>>> challenge for us Americans to come up with something not >> Scottish and >>>> not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my >> grandfather's favorite >>>> goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, >> but I know >>>> the ancestor brought it from Scotland: >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >>>> >>>> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now >> because if >>>> our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. >>>> If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a >> sign they were >>>> either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. >>>> Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. >>>> If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but >> an Irish >>>> colony? Your ancestors christianized the heathenish Scotti >> (ex Irish, >>>> themselves) and the Picts of Alba. >>>> Feel proud! >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >>>> >>>> Maybe something here? >>>> >>>> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I >> did try a >>>>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and >> didn't work. >>>>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>>>> planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll >> work (that >>>>> is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>>>> >>>>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what >> has America >>>>> got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently >> too Scotch >>>>> Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>>>> little bitmap? >>>>> >>>>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>>>> Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking >> green beer >>>>> to network for your heritage?) >>>>> >>>>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>>>> phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now >> we know how >>>>> the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>>>> >>>>> Linda Merle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If I remember, Bushnells is whiskey? Not beer., Guinness is beer. two ounces Bushnells and 6 oz water....It would put me under. Marlene On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:25 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll drink to that! > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marilyn > Otterson > Sent: 07 March 2010 21:24 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > How about a bottle of Bushmill's? > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >> doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >> least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they >> had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- > >> only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland >> Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders > >> as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about > >> the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot >> of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >> full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast >> is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast > >> for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had >> left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more > >> room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even > >> use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >> an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >> Irish, be > >> happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap > >>> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>> planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>> is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>> got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>> Irish to > >>> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>> network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little > >>> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good grief! No wonder I am over weight, and mom too. My daughter, we love breads, different types, My daughter is making American-type scones. Love them too, but I have a feeling that in that auld country, they would taste differently. Gee just happened to remember, my two granddaughters absolutely get wide-eyed when bread is made and nearly makes piggies out of themselves. Marlene On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Marilyn Otterson wrote: > How about a bottle of Bushmill's? > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >> doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >> least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they >> had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- >> only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland >> Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders >> as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about >> the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot >> of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >> full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast >> is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast >> for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had >> left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more >> room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even >> use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >> an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >> Irish, be >> happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap >>> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>> planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>> is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>> got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>> Irish to >>> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>> network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little >>> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

An orange lily can be found in flower catalogs. M On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Penny Bonnar wrote: > Maybe something here? > > http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >> planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >> >> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >> is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >> >> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >> got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >> Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >> >> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >> little bitmap? >> >> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >> network for your heritage?) >> >> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: I saw a clip of this the other day, in a museum in either: Belfast, Dublin or Londonderry.. Marlene On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Dave Mitchell wrote: > Dear listers > > Just to add a touch of Irish humour or a fascination of history to our > list > discussion. > > There is an interesting memento of "King Billy" (William of Orange) in > Dublin to this day. > > This is the gold chain of office worn by the Mayor of Dublin, which > includes > a large medallion of King Billy. > > Reason being, in 1689, the Jacobite mayoral guys ducked in a frenzy > and in > due course the Dublin city fathers asked the new monarch for a new > chain of > office > > Have a great St Patrick's week! > > > Dave Mitchell > Cape Town > South Africa > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear listers Just to add a touch of Irish humour or a fascination of history to our list discussion. There is an interesting memento of "King Billy" (William of Orange) in Dublin to this day. This is the gold chain of office worn by the Mayor of Dublin, which includes a large medallion of King Billy. Reason being, in 1689, the Jacobite mayoral guys ducked in a frenzy and in due course the Dublin city fathers asked the new monarch for a new chain of office Have a great St Patrick's week! Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa

A cultural question.  William of Orange, Son in Law of King James II and IIV, husband of Princess Mary James' Daughter by Anne Hyde, who invaded the UK in 1688, and was appointed King of the United Kingdom and Ireland when his Father in Law was seen as threatening the Protestant interest in England.  In the course of the subsequent fighting in Scotland and Ireland King William led the anti French forces, who were supporting James at the Battle of the Boyne. 1 July (old Style) 1690, now celebrated on 12 July.  Seen as a Protestant Hero, (though he was probably gay).  Linda with her tongue in her cheek picked him as the symbol of the Scotch Irish who's future would have been at risk had William not been secured on his throne. Also known as King Billy, the Orange Order (Google) takes his name from the Prince of Orange.  A protestant toast goes To the glorious, pious and immortal memory of King William III, who saved us from rogues and roguery, slaves and slavery, knaves and knavery, from brass money and wooden shoes: and whoever denies this toast may he be slammed, crammed and jammed into the muzzle of the great gun of Athlone, and the gun fired into the Pope's belly, and the Pope into the devil's belly, and the devil into hell, and the door locked, and the key forever in an Orangeman's pocket. Edward Andrews --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Karen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Karen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 13:58 Ok, I give up.  Who is King Billy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, >> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish >>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, please do NOT post emails from strange organizations to this list without asking the admin first. This is a common 'rule' on these lists. Some of you have permission. Some I post myself. I did NOT choose to forward notice of this organization as I do not know these people and after examining them thought perhaps they had some kind of political agenda that they were attempting to use genealogy to promote. Until I am more sure what agenda is, please do not forward information about it to this list. I also don't like people getting my email address from an unknown source and spamming me (as they did) so they are already on my 'maybe not okay' list. This list, like all on Rootsweb, is apolitical and also is not supposed to be involved in collecting funds. Admins have been removed by Rootsweb for promoting political views and supporting terrorist causes. Over the past few years any number of organizations have been formed, some spewing forth regurgitated mythology, often with a political agenda, in the USA or Northern Ireland. Whether they support my views or not, this is not the venue to distribute propaganda or possible propaganda. I also do not promote mythology - promoting as none of it has helped me with my genealogy. We need to move beyond it to something called the truth, which often debunks or at least excavates the mythological. Also please do not post on this topic as it is an administrative issue and therefore not appropriate as well. If you want to have a private conversation, email me privately. DO NOT POST ON THIS LIST. I used to think our situation, due to the recent history in Northern Ireland, made us unique, but then a friend (hispanic American) told me of her experiences. WAY back a few hundred years, she has a Converso ancestor, a Jewish person who converted to Christianity in Spain and migrated to Central America. She joined a Jewish genealogy list to continue research. The majority of the people on that list did not practice Judaism, so it and topics related to it were definitely off limits, yet the list endured constant spam attacks from various Jewish groups who viewed them as easy targets for all kinds of political and religious purposes. Far worse than what we (or at least I) have endured here. I was humbled. Just don't post this kinda stuff without seeking an okay. This will definitely keep you from getting your tail feathers burnt off on a number of other lists as well, so it is good general advice. Your admin Linda Merle

Thank you for sharing this. I am going to attend the one in Naples on Tuesday. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > What a way to start Saint Patrick's Week. I attended the UGHG presentation > at Valley Forge yesterday which was hosted by some very nice folks from > the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania. The presenters were Fintan > (finton) > Mullen and Bryan Trainer. Fintan suggested that if we had a problem with > his brogue to get used to it if we expected to understand our ancestors > when > we meet them. > > OnceyougotusedtoFintan'srapidstyleofspeech and a few of his pronunciations > (his Tehrone/my TYrone or the his peur laws/my poor laws) the > presentations were superb. His first admonishment was to exhaust all of the > American > sources before trying to find an ancestor by going to Irish documents. > However once you decide to visit the Emerald Isle there are a million > original > documents to look at. Fintan said that the digital listing of names and > places > are great, but a real joy comes from looking at the document or a copy > which an individual had handwritten at a given moment in time. > > When I opened their web site _http://www.ancestryireland.com/_ > (http://www.ancestryireland.com/) and the documents here > _http://www.ulsterancestry.com/_ (http://www.ulsterancestry.com/) I was > familiar with the terms which > both Fintan and Bryan had explained. There are several more presentations > this week and if you get a chance attend one. > _Ulster Historical Foundation - Irish Genealogy Research Ireland, Ulster, > Antrim, Down, Belfast: News_ > (http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?id=1027&backPID=1008&tt_news=61) > > Fintan also suggested we should come to Ulster whether we have Irish > ancestors or not just for the fun of it. So feel free to invite your > Germanic > spouse!! > > John A. O'Neal, Pomeranian American > Other than slavery, nazism, fascism and George III, war has never solved > any problems. > > GO GREEN!! RECYCLE CONGRESS !!! NOTHING CHANGES IF NOTHING CHANGES > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can you access this site -http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/learning/william/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Sent: 14 March 2010 13:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! Ok, I give up. Who is King Billy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, >> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish >>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... 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What a way to start Saint Patrick's Week. I attended the UGHG presentation at Valley Forge yesterday which was hosted by some very nice folks from the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania. The presenters were Fintan (finton) Mullen and Bryan Trainer. Fintan suggested that if we had a problem with his brogue to get used to it if we expected to understand our ancestors when we meet them. OnceyougotusedtoFintan'srapidstyleofspeech and a few of his pronunciations (his Tehrone/my TYrone or the his peur laws/my poor laws) the presentations were superb. His first admonishment was to exhaust all of the American sources before trying to find an ancestor by going to Irish documents. However once you decide to visit the Emerald Isle there are a million original documents to look at. Fintan said that the digital listing of names and places are great, but a real joy comes from looking at the document or a copy which an individual had handwritten at a given moment in time. When I opened their web site _http://www.ancestryireland.com/_ (http://www.ancestryireland.com/) and the documents here _http://www.ulsterancestry.com/_ (http://www.ulsterancestry.com/) I was familiar with the terms which both Fintan and Bryan had explained. There are several more presentations this week and if you get a chance attend one. _Ulster Historical Foundation - Irish Genealogy Research Ireland, Ulster, Antrim, Down, Belfast: News_ (http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?id=1027&backPID=1008&tt_news=61) Fintan also suggested we should come to Ulster whether we have Irish ancestors or not just for the fun of it. So feel free to invite your Germanic spouse!! John A. O'Neal, Pomeranian American Other than slavery, nazism, fascism and George III, war has never solved any problems. GO GREEN!! RECYCLE CONGRESS !!! NOTHING CHANGES IF NOTHING CHANGES

Thank you so much. This is a genealogy list and not a political one. Could not agree more! -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:02 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] Latest News for March 12, 2010 -- From Admin > Hi folks, please do NOT post emails from strange organizations to this > list without asking the admin first. > > This is a common 'rule' on these lists. Some of you have permission. Some > I post myself. I did NOT choose to forward notice of this organization as > I do not know these people and after examining them thought perhaps they > had some kind of political agenda that they were attempting to use > genealogy to promote. Until I am more sure what agenda is, please do not > forward information about it to this list. > > I also don't like people getting my email address from an unknown source > and spamming me (as they did) > so they are already on my 'maybe not okay' list. > > This list, like all on Rootsweb, is apolitical and also is not supposed to > be involved in collecting funds. Admins > have been removed by Rootsweb for promoting political views and supporting > terrorist causes. > > Over the past few years any number of organizations have been formed, some > spewing forth regurgitated > mythology, often with a political agenda, in the USA or Northern Ireland. > Whether they support my views > or not, this is not the venue to distribute propaganda or possible > propaganda. I also do not promote > mythology - promoting as none of it has helped me with my genealogy. We > need to move beyond it to > something called the truth, which often debunks or at least excavates the > mythological. > > Also please do not post on this topic as it is an administrative issue and > therefore not appropriate as well. > > If you want to have a private conversation, email me privately. DO NOT > POST ON THIS LIST. > > I used to think our situation, due to the recent history in Northern > Ireland, made us unique, but > then a friend (hispanic American) told me of her experiences. WAY back a > few hundred years, > she has a Converso ancestor, a Jewish person who converted to Christianity > in Spain and > migrated to Central America. She joined a Jewish genealogy list to > continue research. The > majority of the people on that list did not practice Judaism, so it and > topics related to it were > definitely off limits, yet the list endured constant spam attacks from > various Jewish groups who > viewed them as easy targets for all kinds of political and religious > purposes. Far worse than > what we (or at least I) have endured here. I was humbled. > > Just don't post this kinda stuff without seeking an okay. This will > definitely keep you > from getting your tail feathers burnt off on a number of other lists as > well, so it is good > general advice. > > Your admin > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ok, I give up. Who is King Billy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, >> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish >>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message