For those pursuing the 1718-1719 Scotch-Irish emigration to Boston or Philadelphia from Ireland, I have one ship which has two documented voyages from Londonderry, Ireland. The MACCALLUM arrived at Boston from Londonderry with 100 passengers 2 Sept 1718, (Capt. James Law). The MACCALLUM arrived at Philadelphia from Londonderry with passengers and servants 15 Oct 1719, (Capt. Linn). The large contingency aboard the Maccallum to Boston was led by James Woodside, Presbyterian minister. These settlers went directly to Casco Bay (Maine). Sources thus far are not able to address the problematic migration problem from New England to Pennsylvania. Hopefully, someone on this list will be able to make a breakthrough with a positive I.D. showing their ancestor's move to the Penn Colony. I am not familiar with any overland migrations during the period in question, but there was "The Boston Post Road" which ran from New York to Boston starting in 1673. This was a two week trip by horseback and had 3 routes and was constantly used for mail. There is a lot of local history publications for Pennshylvania counties and townships on Google Books. Lee Ramsey

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I have a mention in an 1847 will of a "Thomas BRADFORD of Drumrule in the Co Monaghan & now of Philadelphia". I suspect that since there is no townland called "Drumrule" that it may be Drumroosk, Parish of Tullycorbet, Co. Monaghan - although other townlands may be near enough in pronounciation to qualify. The will is posted on my web site at: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/1847_will_AC_Bradford.htm Does this ring bells for anyone? Suggestions? Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Some Become Flowers: http://www.harbourpublishing.com/title/SomeBecomeFlowers Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

For what it is worth to you and others interested in Boyds, below are the Scotch-Irish Boyds in New Hampshire, exactly where they lived in NH and when, based on NH official records. Some of these might have moved to PA. This comes from the Librarian of the New Hampshire Historical Society in an article he wrote in "Historical New Hampshire," Vol. 50, Nos. 374 Fall/Winter 1995, pp. 213-228. BOYD James Boyd & Margaret, Portsmouth 1723 (from Probate Records of the Province of New Hampshire (State Papers Series), Volumes 32-39, Concord. 1907-1941.) John Boyd, Chester, NH 1746  (from a deed) Nathaniel Boyd & Margaret, Chester, NH 1741 (from a deed) Robert Boyd, Chester 1726 (Probate Records of the Province of New Hampshire (State Papers Series), Volumes 32-39, Concord. 1907-1941.)    … son Samuel Boyd & Margaret, Londonderry, NH 1739 (from a deed) Thomas Boyd, Chester, NH 1728 (from a deed) William Boyd & Alice (Hunter), Londonderry, NH 1740 (from a deed) The canny Scotch-Irish, from my knowledge of them, Diane, were not averse to settling where Germans already were and, by the same token, visa versa! Ruth On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: > > Colin and others. (we have communicated with you before Colin) > > There have been a cluster of us working on our  Boyd family, who "may" > have come out of Armagh in  1732/34"  to this country. > (Thomas Boyd and his brother William plus a couple of sisters)  Thomas > said in his will that he was of "Alin " township. > > It has always bothered me that Thomas's son James  (my ancestor) was > said in many old DAR applications to have been born at Bethlehem Pa. > The reason that it has never felt right is because my understanding > of  Bethlehem is that it was a German settlement. > > The Boyd family were supposedly Scots/Irish. > > Do you have any opinions about this? > > Diane

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:24 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: Just a real quick note. Nobody was "forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans"- Scotch-Irish were already active in the merchant society of Boston and very familiar to the Church leaders of Boston. They weren't prepared so it was a real concern of "where do you put 500 people??" NOBODY walked (overland) from Maine to Pennsylvania in 1718. That's just crazy. These people used ships like we use bus's. Nobody had Conestoga wagons etc to make long treks. That came much later. Think about this. Londonderry, NH was 100% WILDERNESS. It is 44.5 miles from Boston. If 45 miles is wilderness, then I dare say walking 400 miles would be insane. Especially when you're lugging a family around and got some 70-80 year old people traveling with you. These folks walked all over but 400 miles through wilderness most of it uncharted. NO . It took over 100 more years before Davey Crockett figured out how to do that. Now, taking small leaps ie Maine to Boston; Boston to CT or NY city: NY to NJ; NJ to PA. That could take 6-8 years.There is some anecdotal evidence Hunter came out of CT, NY or NJ. Main reason is the Penn authorities didn't know he was there (unlike Boyd and Craig in the Irish or Allen Township settlement). So ship to Boston or Voluntown, CT or New York City and then....??? Colin Brooks The 1718 Project > > *A simplistic statement like the one about "intolerant Puritans" make me think the context was a fast-written overly simplified Message Board post. * * * *There were many reasons beyond "intolerant Puritans" for why many of the 1718 folk didn't stay in Boston, that's for sure. Not least, but often not mentioned, was the desire to be out and a w a y from 'under the thumbs' of Governors & councils and the damned Church of England they'd finally given up fighting in Ulster, after a century of aggravation and worse. ;-) * *For whatever reason—I assume, probably because the ship owner of the Casco Bay ship headed home very fast at first open water, leaving them shipless—there is constant reference to some "walking" out of Maine into the NH area. This is something we have talked about and are inclined to accept, even though not everybody (not the old or the too young). Nancy has an examples of Smiths walking from New Boston to Maine and back — one a woman to help a child. So feet may well be what got them (the men anyway) to Haverhill, to Nutfield, to Chester... even to Boston! There were well-worn Indian trails, mapped and used by fur traders for close to 75 years by 1718. * *Like you, I'd like to think the PA trek **surely** HAD to involve ships!! But then, did you read Dr. McMaster's parallel trek, as he called it, all the way cross country from Schoharie, NY to PA.* *Just like today. The generation that 'does it' thinks "nobody would ever be interested in THAT"!! If only someone had left a diary... just too busy surviving!!* * * *Ruth*

I thought I saw in our recent discussion that someone had said that Allen Township no longer existed as of 1800. Not true. Allen Township is alive and well in Northampton Co., PA. A blurb on Wikipedia claims the population of Allen Township was 2,630 at the 2000 census. For more, go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Township,_Northampton_County,_Pennsylvania Dan Wilson

Yippeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm excited,! I really didn't figure that there would be to many Jefferson McCleary's. I had guessed it was a Proud to be an American thing... I am very excited to have you confirm McCleary families in Ulster. Thank you for clearing up the history of the 1718 migration. I guess I am a late bloomer in things relating to history, but I stayed up all night looking at court records of Augusta, Virginia, just fascinated by the story of the lives of those people, gleaned from the court records. I got so into it, it didn't matter that most of it wasn't about any McClearys. So many orphans, a lady who had small pox who came to the community only to be escorted out of town so she couldn't spread the disease. Harsh decisions, made by the court for the survival of the community. I could sit for hours and read this stuff. Thank you for sharing it with us all. Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:15 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] McClary/McCleary of NIR > Ellie, > The Ordanance Surveys of 1830s Ulster has McClearys all over County > Antrim and Londonderry. What ever "Irish free site" you went too, they > clearly > are ignorant about the basic info. Sorry for the pun couldn't resist. > Anyway, just more proof your belief about a Scotch-Irish connection is > correct. > Let us know if you find your connection. BTW- you do recall a certain > "famous" Thomas Jefferson in america, right?? :) I wouldn't waste time > looking for a generational naming pattern. Someone wanted their son to be > proud > of his name. sorry but the 1800's had a real explosion in such naming > patterns. Doesn't help with the genealogy search, but at least they > appreciated > being American. > > Colin Brooks > The 1718 Project > > > In a message dated 3/30/2010 3:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I went to an Irish free site that had lots of records, but I didn't find > one McCleary. Scotland had McClearys listed under the covering of clan > Cameron. Wish I had a better memory at this > stage of the game. I am still trying to get a handle on the timings of > the Scotts Irish upheavals. They seemed to come in waves to America, in > the > 1700's and early 1800's . I have been cramming so much in this 56 year > old > brain so fast, not all of it is staying. or staying in the right order. > At > least I'm exercising my brain. Thanks a bunch, . Ellie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellie, The Ordanance Surveys of 1830s Ulster has McClearys all over County Antrim and Londonderry. What ever "Irish free site" you went too, they clearly are ignorant about the basic info. Sorry for the pun couldn't resist. Anyway, just more proof your belief about a Scotch-Irish connection is correct. Let us know if you find your connection. BTW- you do recall a certain "famous" Thomas Jefferson in america, right?? :) I wouldn't waste time looking for a generational naming pattern. Someone wanted their son to be proud of his name. sorry but the 1800's had a real explosion in such naming patterns. Doesn't help with the genealogy search, but at least they appreciated being American. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 3/30/2010 3:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I went to an Irish free site that had lots of records, but I didn't find one McCleary. Scotland had McClearys listed under the covering of clan Cameron. Wish I had a better memory at this stage of the game. I am still trying to get a handle on the timings of the Scotts Irish upheavals. They seemed to come in waves to America, in the 1700's and early 1800's . I have been cramming so much in this 56 year old brain so fast, not all of it is staying. or staying in the right order. At least I'm exercising my brain. Thanks a bunch, . Ellie

Hi Ellie, it has to be a male relative with the right surname because he would have a Y chromosome inherited from the male ancestor with the surname. See www.familytreedna.com for more information. Good luck with the husband. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:55:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 Hi Linda, Oh I would love to go the DNA route!!!! And maybe someday I will be able to ... It is on my wish list ... Why does it have to be a male relative with the surname??? Why can't it just be a male with the McCleary genes in him??? Keeping in mind that my husband is Scotch-Irish, maybe it doesn't always fit, but talking my husband into the desire to pay for DNA testing will be a real adventure..... LOL, Thanks Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:14 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Hi Ellen, > > The burnt courthouse scenario is an all too familiar one. It is the > subject of endless lectures, articles, and even books. You need to stop > using it as an excuse (like the rest of us <grin>) and get past it using > good genealogical methodologies. Such an event can be overcome. You just > need to know how. > > The first thing to do is google. In this case for things like burnt > courthouse genealogy. I did that and came up with several things including > http://inman.surnameweb.org/documents/looking.htm . > > The bottom line with burnt courthouses is that sooner or later some > government comes along and wants to collect taxes. Unless they can figure > out who is responsible for paying the taxes, many are likely to avoid it. > So reconstruction of land records occurs rather fast. Assisting are > families who want to inherit or continue with their high place in the > social order as well as those whose enemies see the chaos as a chance to > dispossess those families of their property. > > There was NOT a law in place (that I am aware of) requiring that property > sales (deeds) be registered at the courthouse. I am not a North Carolina > expert; I may be wrong, but I doubt it seriously. You COULD register the > deed but you didn't have to. Eventually due to the difficulties of > collecting taxes, etc, the states applied much pressure to get the court > house used. But that's later on. The way you proved you owned property is > you produced the deed. The real deed. The deed was copied into the > courthouse records -- maybe. The real deed is the one your ancestor had. > To prove he owned it after the fire, he showed up at the courthouse and > had it recorded again. > > If he didn't have the deed (house burnt too, goat ate it, Uncle Bob used > it for TP (toilet paper)), then you got some witnesses who swore an oath > and testified. There are a zillion of these kinda cases all over the USA > in court records. If the courthouse burnt up, it started again. > > There are also grants -- made by the colony. NC grants are a huge huge > topic. I once encountered them in a project in Tennessee....They're not > kept at the courthouse. Maybe it had some copies but those are state > records and I do know they survive. Ditto for Virginia, PA, Maryland and > all the places to the north where you should be looking. There are all > kinds of records that are not kept at the county courthouse you can use > and lots of articles and books that explain what they are and how to find > them. > > However this is a heck of a lot of work. If you want fast results, then > it's simple. Catch a male relative with the surname and test his Y > chromosome. He has to have the Y chromosome of the early family, so make > sure he descends on the male line. Don't have one, you say? Hogwash. Do > some genealogy and FIND one! That's what we do <grin>. Genealogy! It costs > $300 unless you hit on a sale. Test at www.familytreedna.com (largest > database). You can join free as many projects as you want. Maybe the > Ireland one. When the results arrive, the admins can usually figure out > what quad of Ireland they're from. If Ulster, you are shuffled off to the > Ulster Heritage project. Then you look for matches in that project, in NC > projects, in family projects, etc. > > When you find matches, you can then look for the paper trail from A to B. > Eliminates a lot of vacuuming up of records in places your ancestors never > were. > > You can spend 20 years vacuuming records and copying them at 25 cents or > more per page and not get anywhere, so you hire someone for the minimum > amount -- which now is about $300 and they may or may not find something > (toss the dice). Or you can do DNA testing NOW. You spend $300. You save > money photocopying every piece of paper in the original colonies, and > eventually, maybe in six weeks, maybe in a year, you will have a match and > can start figuring out how they got from A to B. Even if you never get a > match in the USA, you know your ancestor didn't match those guys. He's not > a McCleary. But you'll know what he was and can work with those people to > figure out who the Indian in the wood pile was. THAT you'll never learn > any other way. > > Because the truth is even if all the courthouses hadn't burnt down, there > could have never been a record made of where your ancestors came from, so > sifting through records, will not solve this problem. Most colonial > immigrations are NOT documented. They were not documented in 1719 when > they hopped off the boat nor any other time unless by chance in oral or > county histories, obits of pioneers, etc. > > So forget the courthouse and go track down a cousin. In six weeks, when > your DNA results come in, you could know which family groups you match and > which you don't, assuming others with the surname have tested. Check for a > family project at www.familytreedna.com and find out. > > DNA is the only way to get results for certain, and it's fast and cheap > too. If you have colonial migrants, then you need to do this. You can read > through several courses on migration genealogy at > www.genealogical.com/university.html and eventually you'll figure out > there is no sure way to find their origins doing genealogy. There is using > DNA -- so bag a cousin and then read the courses while the DNA is being > tested. It'll give you something to do <grin>. > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Richard for the info (and back-up). Note the 1741 date. This is 13 years after the first S-I are noted in Lehigh Valley circa 1728. William Allen was the Penn proprietor who sold most of the valley. It's a weird story because he sells the land that is already settled to the settlers :) Nice arraignment for both parties in a way. Colin Brooks In a message dated 3/31/2010 12:17:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On April 2, 1741, William Allen deeded 500 acres at the junction of the Monocacy Creek and Lehigh River to the Moravian Church

On April 2, 1741, William Allen deeded 500 acres at the junction of the Monocacy Creek and Lehigh River to the Moravian Church. The setting was ideal. It had fertile soil, ample lumber, and a plentiful water supply. Continued Moravian immigration and careful planning of the community is evidenced in the rapid growth of the settlement. By 1761 the settlements inhabitants erected over 50 buildings, maintained nearly 50 industries, and cleared over 2000 acres of Bethlehem-Nazareth land. Much credit for this early success can be attributed to the communal system in which these early settlers lived. The disciplined, communal life of the settlers served a dual purpose. They were able to survive and thrive in a back woods location, as well as maintain a high standard of moral behavior by associating closely with those of the same spiritual convictions. A regimen of worship and work sustained early development in their new and sometimes hostile environment. The first years, 1741-1762, were based on a communal economy where all individual labors were directed toward the betterment of the community and support of its growing itinerancy and missionary efforts. You will note, as Colin said, that the Moravian community expanded by purchase of 1,500 additional acres, presumably from earlier Scotch-Irish settlers, by 1761. The Moravian settlement functioned as a refugee center for settlers driven back from the frontier in 1755-57 and 1763. In a message dated 3/31/2010 12:05:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: yes. Bethlehem is a town and a township. In 1730 it was a little spit of land and the Irish settlement was HUGE in comparison. The original Irish settlement includes almost all of Bethlehem city and Bethlehem Township in today's maps. The Moravians who created what we now know as Bethlehem city did this after the S-I had sold them their lands and moved in 17755 from the Indian uprisings. They had built a "fort" and church but little else before 1750. The S-I "built" the farm land the Moravians needed to enable their survival. There are two Boyd families in the Irish settlement. John the original lived in the curve of the Lehigh River where it turns north. That is now Allentown City but was part of Northampton county and Bethlehem. The second is William who lived north of Bethlehem city near to East Allen Township in the Catasauqua are of today. if you want to take Thomas at face value it would point to him being part of Williams family in Catasauqua. HOWEVER, you can never be specific with these "general locations". They changed numerous times. BY his death in 1790's. "Alin Township" didn't even exist AND wasn't part of Northampton County :) So "Bethlehem" is right and wrong and ditto to "Alin" Township. If it was easy it wouldn't be so much fun :) BTW- YOUR BOYD family is and always has been Scotch-Irish! Get rid of that "supposedly" tag line- you know better! Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 3/31/2010 10:56:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Colin and others. (we have communicated with you before Colin) There have been a cluster of us working on our Boyd family, who "may" have come out of Armagh in 1732/34" to this country. (Thomas Boyd and his brother William plus a couple of sisters) Thomas said in his will that he was of "Alin " township. It has always bothered me that Thomas's son James (my ancestor) was said in many old DAR applications to have been born at Bethlehem Pa. The reason that it has never felt right is because my understanding of Bethlehem is that it was a German settlement. The Boyd family were supposedly Scots/Irish. Do you have any opinions about this? Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes. Bethlehem is a town and a township. In 1730 it was a little spit of land and the Irish settlement was HUGE in comparison. The original Irish settlement includes almost all of Bethlehem city and Bethlehem Township in today's maps. The Moravians who created what we now know as Bethlehem city did this after the S-I had sold them their lands and moved in 17755 from the Indian uprisings. They had built a "fort" and church but little else before 1750. The S-I "built" the farm land the Moravians needed to enable their survival. There are two Boyd families in the Irish settlement. John the original lived in the curve of the Lehigh River where it turns north. That is now Allentown City but was part of Northampton county and Bethlehem. The second is William who lived north of Bethlehem city near to East Allen Township in the Catasauqua are of today. if you want to take Thomas at face value it would point to him being part of Williams family in Catasauqua. HOWEVER, you can never be specific with these "general locations". They changed numerous times. BY his death in 1790's. "Alin Township" didn't even exist AND wasn't part of Northampton County :) So "Bethlehem" is right and wrong and ditto to "Alin" Township. If it was easy it wouldn't be so much fun :) BTW- YOUR BOYD family is and always has been Scotch-Irish! Get rid of that "supposedly" tag line- you know better! Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 3/31/2010 10:56:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Colin and others. (we have communicated with you before Colin) There have been a cluster of us working on our Boyd family, who "may" have come out of Armagh in 1732/34" to this country. (Thomas Boyd and his brother William plus a couple of sisters) Thomas said in his will that he was of "Alin " township. It has always bothered me that Thomas's son James (my ancestor) was said in many old DAR applications to have been born at Bethlehem Pa. The reason that it has never felt right is because my understanding of Bethlehem is that it was a German settlement. The Boyd family were supposedly Scots/Irish. Do you have any opinions about this? Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Colin and others. (we have communicated with you before Colin) There have been a cluster of us working on our Boyd family, who "may" have come out of Armagh in 1732/34" to this country. (Thomas Boyd and his brother William plus a couple of sisters) Thomas said in his will that he was of "Alin " township. It has always bothered me that Thomas's son James (my ancestor) was said in many old DAR applications to have been born at Bethlehem Pa. The reason that it has never felt right is because my understanding of Bethlehem is that it was a German settlement. The Boyd family were supposedly Scots/Irish. Do you have any opinions about this? Diane

Sarah, thanks for the advice. I looked at some of the census records, and the pages before and after . People in the same vicinity... Have a couple of possibilities. Amanda the daughter of Jefferson worked in a couple of homes, since she was unmarried. As far as I know she remained unmarried. I have been hunting for possible brothers for Jefferson, thinking maybe they may have a way to trace the family back further. since Amanda's son was named Jordan Winfield McCleary , I hunted for men with those names. What I found was a Jordan creek and Winfield, I think was a county. Did find a Jordan Sims close by but nothing to really get excited about. Plan to hunt some more. Thanks again, Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:42 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] McClary/McCleary of NIR and early 1700's America > ya know Ellie one thing not mentioned yet in helping your search would be > to > look at the cencus at the time of his birth or before of the soundex > for the surname JEFFERSON.......the father could have been a neighbor like > you thought who she worked for.....she could have given the boy that name > as > first name..if it isnt in any other record for the McClearys family line > it > could be the father???? Just an idea. Many families used the surnames of > mothers and grandmothers for given names....Just an idea. > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] McClary/McCleary of NIR and early 1700's America > > >> LOL!!! I loved the line about being an expert on McCleary's in America! >> I had just about figured out I was going to have to look at every >> McCleary >> and then make the best guess as to what family Jefferson came out >> of...Thanks for the advice.. I have looked at some of the McCleary names. >> I >> actually looked at some of them before I found Jefferson, but how do you >> connect them when you are missing a generation of records. All I could >> think to do is try to see if some first names ran generationally. Then I >> could make a fair guess that they were of the same line.. but that really >> doesn't prove anything. I never tried to Google any names yet. I'll >> give >> it a try. It would be the most wonderful gift to give my mother -in-law >> if >> I could find her ancestors. I went to an Irish free site that had lots >> of >> records, but I didn't find one McCleary. Scotland had McClearys listed >> under the covering of clan Cameron. Wish I had a better memory at this >> stage of the game. I am still trying to get a handle on the timings of >> the >> Scotts Irish upheavals. They seemed to come in waves to America, in the >> 1700's and early 1800's . I have been cramming so much in this 56 year >> old >> brain so fast, not all of it is staying. or staying in the right order. >> At >> least I'm exercising my brain. Thanks a bunch, . Ellie >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:34 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] McClary/McCleary of NIR and early 1700's America >> >>> Ellie, >>> Linda is right in regards to your research needs and area of focus. I >>> wanted to just let you know you that your Scotch-Irish focus may not be >>> too >>> far of the beaten path. >>> There are 4 documented McClary families in early 1700's in New England >>> 1718- Thomas McClary (b.1706) from Londonderry, NIR to Windham, New >>> Hampshire brother of >>> 1718- Daniel McCleary (b. 1708 in Maghera, Londonderry, Ireland) of >>> Methuen, Mass. died same 1788. >>> 1727- Andrew McClary from Londonderry, NIR to Nottingham, NH >>> 1751- David McClary from Ireland, living Boston, Mass. died Bedford, >>> NH >>> A John McCleary and Alexander MaClery are in Boston, Mass 1730 to 1739 >>> >>> There are online Pennsylvania records that may give you access to >>> McClary >>> family info. Google is also a major FREE source. try McClary and >>> Lancaster >>> and you'll find the easy ones quickly. >>> DON'T spend a lot of time reading every hit. Just get enough to find >>> proof the family was in the right place and see if you get lucky and >>> someone >>> mentions a specific family going south to VA and NC. I have the exact >>> same >>> problem in VT in 1804. Bastard or abandoned son living with Mom but who >>> has >>> no father. I did the same surname searching. So... I can state his >>> grandfather with about 95% proof, but can't connect to the five sons. I >>> may never >>> find it but I know it's there :) A miracle DNA match may be my only >>> hope. >>> So you got the right ethnic group on face value. Follow Linda's ideas >>> and some general searching like above and you may hit paydirt. If not >>> you'll >>> be an expert on early McClary's in America :) >>> >>> Colin Brooks >>> The 1718 Project >>> >>> In a message dated 3/30/2010 12:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> Hi Linda, thanks for taking so much time to answer my, I don't know >>> what >>> to >>> do comment. I should have let you know why I have a snag in the >>> McCleary >>> family search. I have traced them back to North Carolina during the >>> civil >>> war and even one tax list after, and then other census from then till >>> now, >>> but my snag is I can't figure out how to go further back to tie the >>> McCleary >>> family elsewhere to the one in North Carolina. The North Carolina >>> county >>> courthouse where the McCleary family lived was bombed during the civil >>> war >>> and burnt down. all records lost, and then it burnt 3 more times... I >>> can >>> not seem to find who the father of Jefferson McCleary, also spelled >>> McClorry, and MCClary on different census papers. Not doing such a hot >>> job >>> of figuring out who his wife is either. she must have been dead by the >>> time >>> the records that have survived were taken. I did read a bit of a >>> history >>> book online that said a lot of Scotts that came to North Carolina >>> actually >>> came inland through Tennessee, but Jefferson lists he was born in North >>> Carolina. I have found records in other counties of McCleary or some >>> derivative thereof, but no one claims Jefferson on their family . I'm >>> stumped. I figured I would just suearch out every MCCleary etc I can >>> find >>> from Pennsylvania to North Carolina and I might get lucky and find >>> something. Right now it is guesswork. >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> If I could only find that connection in the McCleary family from >>> Jefferson >>> on back. I found a Thomas Jefferson McCleary age 26 on an 1830 >>> Maryland >>> census... but my Jefferson was born in 1814, as per the 1860 census >>> that >>> lists him as age 46. It calls him McClorry on that one, but it's him. >>> The >>> batches of first names in the family tie together the various census >>> misspellings of the last name. I even found people that may have been >>> his >>> brothers or cousins, but haven't found them back further either, yet. >>> I >>> was hoping if I couldn't follow his trail, I could hit on it with >>> extended >>> family from the same area and census. The area I found them in was >>> Cool >>> Springs, Washington County, NorthCarolina, Post office Mackeys Ferry, >>> and >>> also Harrington County Div.2. dist. 1 N.C., and the northern district >>> 1850 >>> Census Rockeartto, County, N.C. or something like that, can't read it >>> very >>> good. If you have any idea how to look back farther I'm all ears....or >>> in >>> this case eyes since we are writing, not talking. LOL. >>> >>> There are some colonial ancestors on my husbands side as well, but none >>> on >>> mine.. the hardest part of waiting so long to start hunting is I forget >>> what >>> I've found and where I found it so quickly... I am trying to document >>> it >>> all >>> as I go along... but I have gone so many directions in such a short >>> time >>> I >>> have well nigh driven myself crazy!!!! In your business do you only >>> hunt >>> Scotch Irish, or do you hunt other countries too??? 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Couple points on Lee's message: This is the 1718 to 1722 to 1728 problem There is NO S-I settlement in 1718/1719 in the Philadelphia region. HOWEVER, I found proof of Irish emigrants in 1719 in Abington (on Philly's northern border). They are in the church records of the Dutch Reformed church. These same families then became the founders of the Neshaminy Presbyterian Church in 1722 BUT they had always been living there! White, Pickens, Anderson, Reed, Eyre, Foster, Logan, Gillespie, Bell can be added to those listed below. These families did what many similar S-I families did in and around Boston. They stepped off the ship from Ireland, and headed to the outskirts of the established "city" and settled. Being close enough to "civilization" and church worship they didn't need to cluster together like the settlers of Londonderry, Casco, Worcester, and Donegal, PA. There is a record of at least one ship that arrived in late 1718 in Philly's ports from Ireland. Allen Township in Lehigh Valley is the Irish Settlement. It is 10 miles from Easton almost due west, and directly north of current day Bethlehem. There is no Warwick Township in this area. It is assumed by many that the people of the Irish or Craig settlement came from the Neshaminy Church and Warwick Township and sorrounding areas. The Log College and Neshaminy Church are in current day- Warwick Township, Bucks County. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 3/30/2010 5:45:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The migration in 1719 to Pennsylvania would seem to be directed to the Scotch-Irish settlement "at the forks of the Neshaminy" in what was then the center of Bucks Co., PA, as Northampton Co, PA was not formed until 1752. The land to this settlement had no ownership until it was purchased by Chief-Justice Allen in 1735, and who sold title of land to the individual settlers, bringing stability to this early community. Thus, no land deed records until 1735. The Neshaminy Presbyterian Church was established about 1726 with William Tennent as its first pastor. Some of the early families are identified as Jamison, Ramsey, Archibald, McCullough, McMicken, Henderson and Wallace. Some of the settlers at the forks of the Neshaminy settlers most likely were part of the settlement at the forks of the Delaware (Easton) in East Allen Township, in 1737, which became known as the "Craig Settlement" with Warwick as its center. Warwick Township had been formed 1733 by residents of Middleburg Township. Some of these early families are identified as Craig, Jamison, Baird, Stewart, Hair, Long, Weir, Armstrong, Gray, Graham and Wallace. Lee Ramsey

Marsha, Morrison is one of the leading Scotch-Irish families in Londonderry, NH from the 1718 emigration. Actually, the only true genealogist from this group, and to whom we owe much gratitude, is Leonard Morrison. Almost all his book are free at Google books. He actually made the trip to Ireland we wish all our ancestors had done, and documented his findings. He has extensive info on the Morrison family in ireland. Yes Donegal is NOW part of the Republic, but back in 1718 that wasn't the case from an ethnic standpoint. Many of the 1718 Worcestor, Mass. settlers were from Donegal and said as much on their tombstone's. Donegal was a major region for fighting from 1640's to the Irish rebellion in the 1790's. Folks coming out of there were mainly S-I. Get the free books first and Leonard may have mentioned a Donegal family. Colin Brooks The 1718 project In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:46:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have just added a possible 5-gr-grandfather and 6-gr-grandfather to my ancestors. Because this is a VERY new possibility, I am just starting my research on this line. The younger man's name is Patrick Henry Morrison and his father's name is James Morrison. The family history books in my area that have articles submitted by researchers (and I realize are thus suspect) say that James and Rachel Morrison moved to Pittsylvania County, Virginia in the mid to late 1700's from Donegal. Now I realize that Donegal is part of Ulster Province, but NOT part of Northern Ireland---being instead a part of the Republic of Ireland. So the question here is do I suspect SI or do I suspect Irish for the surname Morrison coming out of Donegal? Please, I am not asking anyone to do my research for me, just looking for a small boost if anyone has this answer off the top of their heads.....I am mostly just curious at this very early part of my looking around. marsha in WV ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a real quick note. Nobody was "forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans"- Scotch-Irish were already active in the merchant society of Boston and very familiar to the Church leaders of Boston. They weren't prepared so it was a real concern of "where do you put 500 people??" NOBODY walked (overland) from Maine to Pennsylvania in 1718. That's just crazy. These people used ships like we use bus's. Nobody had Conestoga wagons etc to make long treks. That came much later. Think about this. Londonderry, NH was 100% WILDERNESS. It is 44.5 miles from Boston. If 45 miles is wilderness, then I dare say walking 400 miles would be insane. Especially when you're lugging a family around and got some 70-80 year old people traveling with you. These folks walked all over but 400 miles through wilderness most of it uncharted. NO . It took over 100 more years before Davey Crockett figured out how to do that. Now, taking small leaps ie Maine to Boston; Boston to CT or NY city: NY to NJ; NJ to PA. That could take 6-8 years.There is some anecdotal evidence Hunter came out of CT, NY or NJ. Main reason is the Penn authorities didn't know he was there (unlike Boyd and Craig in the Irish or Allen Township settlement). So ship to Boston or Voluntown, CT or New York City and then....??? Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 3/28/2010 9:53:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much appreciated. Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ruth and others, been busy on an ambulance, and finally got on the computer to find this explosion of 1718 stuff. Ruth and I have met and talked about this migration so I'll address some specific points in the emails. If you care less about 1718 just skip my "Subject line" that will have 1718. In order to confirm info in history books we have to find the original source. Much of history in this group is based on what someone else has already published. SOooo. In 1910 Charles K Bolton wrote about the 1718 migration. He mentions that the "Merrymeeting Bay" settlers are the ones who moved to new Hampshire and PA after the unexpected/ untimely harsh winter. A few names he lists shows up in the first Londonderry, NH records ie Rankin, Caldwell, Steele etc. He provides no source. He does mention Egle's histories of PA in his notes in other chapters. In 1902 Charles A. Hanna writes the excerpts quoted almost exactly complete by Elemer R Collier in his Weir book. Hanna provides no source. Hanna claims ALLEN TOWNSHIP of Northampton, Pa is established by families of the 1718 Londonderry, NH settlers. In 1831, 1849 and again in 1865 William Willis writes three books about early Maine (primarily around Portland, ME) history. 1831 and 1865 are the same "History of Portland etc." but much larger on the 2nd edition. 1849 is the book on Rev. Thomas Smith's Journal (1st minister in Portland region- NOT S-I Presbyterian). In all three books, Willis provides the reference for his claim which was repeated and has been repeated for ages without a source. Willis states (vol 2 1865) from the Massachusetts Records "Robert Temple [CB-planter of Maine settlements 1718-1725] in a letter dated Charlestown [Cb-Mass.] April 17, 1753 in reply of the Pejepscot Pro. to the remarks of the Pro. of Brunswick, states and his family came to Mass in Sept 1717. He looked for land in CT then ME and preferred the Maine region. He contracted with two ships that year [1717] and three more the next [1718 not 1719 as Bolton states] to bring families from Ireland. Several hundred [emigrants] landed at Kennebec. Some are still there to this day, but the greatest part removed to Pennsylvania, and a considerable number to Londonderry for fear of Indians." In the 1849 book Willis adds a footnote stating" The McKean and Armstrong families of Pennsylvania were of this immigration". OK- So that solves the mystery source (unless you find a later one, and an actual emigrant). Temple was an eyewitness and largely responsible for these folks coming to America. Other then the actual emigrant, who could be a better source? We have suitable proof that some of the 1718 emigrants landed in Maine and left for PA. HOWEVER, focus on the words and you see the cause "fear of Indians". All the historians agree and an eye-witness (their minister- The Rev. James Woodside (Garvagh, Bann Valley near Aghadowey, County Londonderry) state the Indian troubles occurred on July 1722. This creates two questions: Did ANY 1718 emigrants land in Philadelphia late 1718 or early 1719?? Who and how and what happened from 1722 to 1728 to get S-I from Maine to Northampton County, PA? More on that later. Gotta print this so I don't forget next time :) In a message dated 3/28/2010 9:53:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much appreciated. Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, if you are beginning, here's a couple books to ease in. Billy Kennedy has written a series of books on the Scotch-Irish. One is "Faith and Freedom" and another "Scots-Irish in Pennsylvania and Kentucky". You can find them at Amazon. Another on Carolina is "Carolina Cradle: Settlement of the Northwest Carolina Frontier 1747-1762" by Robert W. Ramsey. This book transcribes many early records. One example is p 128: John Smith, who may have emigrated from Nottingham Township, Chester County, who died before 1763. p. 127: the tombstone of William Niblock in the Third Creek cemetery is inscribed to indicate he was a native of Scotland who migrated to Rowan Co in 1750 and died in 1761. In 1754 he bought 350 acres on Withrow's Creek. The name doesn't appear in the records of Maryland and the middle colonies, so Ramsey assumes he came 'direct'. A John Knox appears who m ay have migrated from Somerset Co, Maryland or Colerain, Ireland to Pennslyvaina. A footnote provides records from the Maryland calendar of wills and various militia records, a book on the Knox family, etc, etc.... P. 50 describes 4 Alexander families who settled in New Munster, on the east side of the Elk River in Cecil Co, Maryland before 1715 and identifies a number of their sons who contributed to the migrations. James Alexander migrated from there to Lancaster Co, PA before 1737 (from Lancaster common pleas dockets) and he and his son were in the Shenandoah Valley in 1747 and in Carolina three years later. Book is FULL of info on migrations of families. "The Peopling of British North America" by Bernard Bailyn is a good introduction to migration. Linda Merle