"Oops! I'm new this business of a mailing list and, after reading Neil's post, I wanted to send a message to Ruth related to the 1718 research the two of us are doing—but I sent it to all of you instead! Oh chagrin. I've learned my lesson. My apologies. Nancy

I keep cut-and-paste collections like this myself, Neil, and have been consistently amazed, after letting a few weeks or months go by and re-scouring the web, how many new chunks there are to be found and added! You have surely proven that again by adding some great new ones below for me!! Thanks for all of them. And, Isn't Linda Merle one consistently *amazing* source on any topic Scotch-Irish, that anyone can think of—and even some you can't? ;-) Now back to reading in even more detail the ones you've added to my 1718 collection! Ruth P.S. Another good source for 1718 is doing repeated searches within Mailing Lists and Message Boards Archives for surnames of both people and places involved in the 1718 emigration; and the results of simply googling "1718 emigration" every few weeks is quite terrific. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, macbd1 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Genealogy researchers shouldn't neglect roadside markers and local history > blogs in the Londonderry, NH area:  <grin> > > http://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/1700s/ > (Read them all.  Maybe amateurish but have interesting seemingly factual > info about the Londonderry settlement including its acreage and map outline, > and a church cemetery to check out -- among other things of interest.) > > http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrishAmerica/VII-3.php > (On-line history book, scroll down this link to Chapter VII to learn about > emigration from the Londonderry NH settlement. > I didn't check other chapters.)...................................................................

Hi Ruth, I took your advice and signed up for this.  Some, like this one, are very interesting!  I am hoping to study it closely soon. [ I was at a presentation this evening by Mark Jodoin, an Ottawa author, who wrote a book about VT and NY loyalists.]  Have sent some things to Larry and hope to hear from him soon.  Need more genealogy time!  Looks like the other TN Smith cousin is testing: 177165 John C. Smith, b c1812 Carter and Sullivan counties, TN; m Jincy Taylor. Expected to match with Group 26. 67 marker kit ordered 03/30. Did your Smith contact go ahead with testing also? n --- On Mon, 4/5/10, Ruth McLaughlin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ruth McLaughlin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] 1718-1719 S-I Emigration To: [email protected] Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:19 PM I keep cut-and-paste collections like this myself, Neil, and have been consistently amazed, after letting a few weeks or months go by and re-scouring the web, how many new chunks there are to be found and added! You have surely proven that again by adding some great new ones below for me!! Thanks for all of them. And, Isn't Linda Merle one consistently *amazing* source on any topic Scotch-Irish, that anyone can think of—and even some you can't? ;-) Now back to reading in even more detail the ones you've added to my 1718 collection! Ruth P.S. Another good source for 1718 is doing repeated searches within Mailing Lists and Message Boards Archives for surnames of both people and places involved in the 1718 emigration; and the results of simply googling "1718 emigration" every few weeks is quite terrific. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, macbd1 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Genealogy researchers shouldn't neglect roadside markers and local history > blogs in the Londonderry, NH area:  <grin> > > http://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/1700s/ > (Read them all.  Maybe amateurish but have interesting seemingly factual > info about the Londonderry settlement including its acreage and map outline, > and a church cemetery to check out -- among other things of interest.) > > http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrishAmerica/VII-3.php > (On-line history book, scroll down this link to Chapter VII to learn about > emigration from the Londonderry NH settlement. > I didn't check other chapters.)................................................................... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So sorry, the first line is an error. I was sending off to another person some information on Bede's World: http://www.bedesworld.co.uk/ as I had re-read Bragg's "Credo" <splat> http://www.amazon.com/Credo-Melvyn-Bragg/dp/0340667052 and gone on to re-read "World of Bede" www.amazon.com/World-Bede-Peter-Hunter-Blair/dp/0521398193 because my paternal ancestors are from Durham. Exposed as a secret Anglo-Saxon. Hopefully they'll bring the meds around soon and I'll return to the real world, though I have enjoyed this trip to the seventh century when the Irish saved civilization (as the truism goes) .... by converting the Anglo Saxons. I'd remain but there's probably another round of plague about due so where's the time machine, quick! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C Abernathy" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 5, 2010 10:41:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] News from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Linda, The first link has an extra "http://en" and "wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceolfrith" and does not work, should be http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/ancestry-magazine-now -available-online-free.html Other than that, thanks for the heads up [evilgrin] Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 6:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [S-I] News from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Hi Folks, Dick Eastman has passed on the word that the back issues of the now-defunct Ancestry Magazine are free on line. "Ancestry_magAncestry Magazine may be history, but you can read all the past issues online, free of charge. You can find articles by Lou Szucs, Laura Prescott, Jana Sloan Broglin, Leslie Albrecht Huber, Suzanne Russo Adams, George G. Morgan, Kory Meyerink, Myra Vanderpool Gormley, Colleen Fitzpatrick, Esther Yu Summer, Christine Rose, onn Devince, Paula Sturat-Warren, Megan Smolenyak, Sherry Irvine, Amy Johnson Crow, Beau Sharbrough, Maureen Taylor, Elizabeth Kerstens, and many more of today's leading... See http://en.http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/ancestry-ma gazine-now-available-online-free.htmlwikipedia.org/wiki/Ceolfrith http://books.google.com/books/serial/FTgEAAAAMBAJ?rview=1&lr=&sa=N&start=0 These mags contain a lifetime's worth of information on how to do genealogy better than your Aunt Bertha. That info will help you overcome yours (and her) brick walls. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It often gets quiet over holidays when people are busy with other things. The summers are quiet too when everyone is on vacation. Good times for some more casual conversation! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 5, 2010 10:20:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Activity Apparently so. You're right, though. There hasn't been much activity lately. Jill Jeanne Swick wrote: > Uncharacteristically, I have not seen any S-I List email for some time. Am I still in your world? > > > > :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2792 - Release Date: 04/05/10 02:32:00 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Genealogy researchers shouldn't neglect roadside markers and local history blogs in the Londonderry, NH area: <grin> http://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/1700s/ (Read them all. Maybe amateurish but have interesting seemingly factual info about the Londonderry settlement including its acreage and map outline, and a church cemetery to check out -- among other things of interest.) http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrishAmerica/VII-3.php (On-line history book, scroll down this link to Chapter VII to learn about emigration from the Londonderry NH settlement. I didn't check other chapters.) http://www.maciain.org/histories/immigration.php (Includes more about the Londonderry, NH cemetery and S-I immigration in general.) http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/History/SI-NE.htm (From Linda's own gatherings.) http://www.lifestylesover50.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=72 (One Scotch-Irish settlement in Northhampton Co. PA, but directly from Ulster.) However, some Scotch-Irish 'must' have migrated from New England to PA during the early 1700's -- didn't they? If they emigrated the Londonderry NH area, and had sufficient funds for ship passage from Boston to Philadelphia, they would, in my estimation, have boated/rafted down the Merrimac River to the present Lowell area, then overland a relatively short distance to Boston. If funds were limited they could have subsequently walked the entire way from Boston to Philadelphia along a 'roadway' or rather a path in 1720-1730, or utilized waterways to a degree: (See map showing this 'road' at next link.) http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?strucID=254124 Click on the 'zoom' button to desired degree, then the 'pan' buttons to move around. The portion of this road from Boston to NYC was the Shoreline Road or one route of the Boston Post Road -- this map doesn't show the middle and upper alternate routes of Boston Post Road. See the three routes in the next link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boston_Post_Road_map.png (Use your browser's 'zoom' ability. People utilizing the Merrimac River south from Londonderry would have likely selected the 'north route' of Boston Post Road to minimize river/creek crossings, then boated down the Connecticut River or walked its Boston Post path to New Haven, then on to present NYC area. An alternate route that I suspect would have been considered was to continue westward where Boston Post Road turned south toward New Haven, across the Hudson and then boated-rafted the Delaware River to Philadelphia. However, risk of warrior attack was likely another consideration.) The 'roads' above were not much in the early 1700's with 'mail-coaches' not routinely used until the mid-1700's, and these were initially light-weight, open-sided, canvas-covered, 4-wheeled boxes pulled by two horses. Roads in some areas were along a prior warrior's path where individuals had walked or trotted in single file through 'wilderness' portions of the terrain. (A buffalo trace also made a good path.) Postal delivery was via horseback with fairly small saddle-bags strapped across relatively small horses built for speed and agility -- not requiring much more than 30 inches additional cleared space beyond that for a walking man. But a path used for single-file strings of pack-horses, these larger animals strapped with large side-packs for carrying 600 to 700 pounds of goods (no rider) required even more cleared width for a path. However, settlers still walked to great extent, leading their goods-laden horse(s) if they were fortunate to have even one. They may have alternatively pulled a wheelbarrow-like affair or a 2-wheeled single axle cart to haul their personal items -- or used their horse to awkwardly pull a larger 2-wheeled cart. Yes, people of limited means (the majority by far) walked wherever they wished to go, and lacking a horse allowed flexibility to build a canoe or flatboat to use available waterways for a distance (like down the Merrimac or Connecticut) or to cross rivers and streams such as found along the Shoreline Road west of New Haven and throughout the present NYC area, as can be seen on the map. Various Google sources explain this in more detail especially for migration from PA to VA, the Carolinas, Georgia and other points to the south during the 1700's -- people walked hundreds of miles for a fresh start in a new locale. I agree that walking this long and challenging Boston to Philadelphia 'road' was not an inviting choice. But for those of limited funds remaining from immigration passage, and a need to buy land and goods in PA (unless planning to 'squat') no other choice than taking 'Boston Post Road' and 'The King's Highway' westward and south from NYC seems to have been available. While ships' agents scoured Ulster for trading indentured-servant commitments for passage to America, I'm not aware of any such arrangements once in America for local portal transportation -- these ships were limited to commerce from what I gather. Also, people who had survived terrible misery during their ship's passage to America may well have foregone another ship-boarding even if gratis. An after-thought: Maybe there is good reason for not finding info about groups of Scotch-Irish migrating from New England to Philadelphia during the early 1700's -- people walking south were common to see but unidentifiable. Or maybe they stayed in New England until after 1750 when roads were being widened and upgraded for travel by wagon: (See link below) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gentutor/King.pdf Roads and paths were then opening into the 'new' frontier of Southwestern PA and subsequently KY among others far northward and deep south. Then there were the likes of the founders of Nashville, TN who boated the Cumberland River from VA, and those who flatboated the Allegheny, Monongahela and Ohio Rivers from Ft. Pitt(sburgh) to KY and into Northwest Territory, for examples. Additional info: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/rakeman/1823.htm (First macadamized road in America early 1800's.) Hope this helps a little, my apologies for lateness, I've been a lazy lurker far too long while foregoing genealogy research. Neil McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] 1718-1719 S-I Emigration In mentioning the MACCALLUM, Lee, you have in fact named one of *the* five famous ships who arrived in the Boston harbor with nearly 700 Ulster Presbyterians, along with their ministers; this began a further emigration of 2,600 more in the following two years and up to another 250,000 in the next half century. These were those who would become known as the Scotch-Irish. The MACCALLUM was well used! You will see the names of all five ships (which, given their passengers' impact on a nation, should in my estimation share at least some fame with the Mayflower) at <http://www.1718migration.org.uk/s_theirArrival.asp>. For those researching their Scotch-Irish families who arrived in 1718, or in the following years, will find this whole website great reading. It's a site hard to leave alone once begun. Thanks for your info about that Boston Post Road. One does wonder about details like what roads there would have been by the early 18th c—so you've provide one answer. What about to the Philly area? Did people travel inland or was it more by sea? Records often refer to the Casco Bay people (at least the men) walking out of Maine in the spring. Supposedly there were well-established Indian trails that would make that possible to get them to Haverhill and from there to the site of Nutfield. This is the point at which it was said, in that quotation that began this thread, that many of the Casco group decided not to stay any longer in the north and headed to PA. As Linda puts it, she doesn't understand why they didn't all didn't head to PA! :-) Ruth

Hi Folks, Dick Eastman has passed on the word that the back issues of the now-defunct Ancestry Magazine are free on line. "Ancestry_magAncestry Magazine may be history, but you can read all the past issues online, free of charge. You can find articles by Lou Szucs, Laura Prescott, Jana Sloan Broglin, Leslie Albrecht Huber, Suzanne Russo Adams, George G. Morgan, Kory Meyerink, Myra Vanderpool Gormley, Colleen Fitzpatrick, Esther Yu Summer, Christine Rose, onn Devince, Paula Sturat-Warren, Megan Smolenyak, Sherry Irvine, Amy Johnson Crow, Beau Sharbrough, Maureen Taylor, Elizabeth Kerstens, and many more of today's leading... See http://en.http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/ancestry-magazine-now-available-online-free.htmlwikipedia.org/wiki/Ceolfrith http://books.google.com/books/serial/FTgEAAAAMBAJ?rview=1&lr=&sa=N&start=0 These mags contain a lifetime's worth of information on how to do genealogy better than your Aunt Bertha. That info will help you overcome yours (and her) brick walls. Linda Merle

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Linda, The first link has an extra "http://en" and "wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceolfrith" and does not work, should be http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/ancestry-magazine-now -available-online-free.html Other than that, thanks for the heads up [evilgrin] Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 6:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [S-I] News from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Hi Folks, Dick Eastman has passed on the word that the back issues of the now-defunct Ancestry Magazine are free on line. "Ancestry_magAncestry Magazine may be history, but you can read all the past issues online, free of charge. You can find articles by Lou Szucs, Laura Prescott, Jana Sloan Broglin, Leslie Albrecht Huber, Suzanne Russo Adams, George G. Morgan, Kory Meyerink, Myra Vanderpool Gormley, Colleen Fitzpatrick, Esther Yu Summer, Christine Rose, onn Devince, Paula Sturat-Warren, Megan Smolenyak, Sherry Irvine, Amy Johnson Crow, Beau Sharbrough, Maureen Taylor, Elizabeth Kerstens, and many more of today's leading... See http://en.http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/04/ancestry-ma gazine-now-available-online-free.htmlwikipedia.org/wiki/Ceolfrith http://books.google.com/books/serial/FTgEAAAAMBAJ?rview=1&lr=&sa=N&start=0 These mags contain a lifetime's worth of information on how to do genealogy better than your Aunt Bertha. That info will help you overcome yours (and her) brick walls. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To the folks on the Mid-Antrim list and the scotch-irish-culture list, and especially to our friend Linda Merle, please note that for anyone who lives in the Pittsburgh area, the next meeting of the P.H.S.U.O.V. will be on May 1 at the Grandview Presbyterian Church. Please see the web site for details and directions: http://www.ohiovalleypresbyterians.org Please check back from time to time. We will be adding content as appropriate, especially back issues of the newsletter which have lots of valuable information on the Ulster Presbyterians who made Pennsylvania what it is and we hope to have Dr. Stewart's books available at some time in the future. Deb Logan

Hi Karen, most people use www.familytreedna.com . So they have the largest database to compare with. The others I don't know, I haven't used any of them. Best of luck, Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 2, 2010 6:16:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Morrison from Donegal Linda, what is a good website, or even "the best" if you could choose one or two, to help us get started on getting DNA evidence. I need something simple, if possible. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Morrison from Donegal > Hi Marsha, people can and do change religion and ethnicity all the time, > so don't get too attached to a label. "Scotch Irish" is an American > ethnicity, just meaning they were from a certain area of the USA. Morrison > can be English, Scots, or Irish in origin (Bell "Book of Ulster > Surnames"). There was a very learned sept in Donegal named O'Muirgheasain > (from 'sea valor') who were erenaghs (hereditary keepers) of Conmany in > Inishowen. Not only did some anglicize the name to O'Morison, Morison, > Morrison, but also Bryson (esp. in Derry). In Donegal Bryson, Brice, and > Bryce were also used for Breslin. > > A branch of this sept moved to Lewis and Harris in the Scottish Isles at > an unknown date, where they became bards to the MacLeods of Dunvegan. Etc, > etc..... Of couse the English ones were 'son of Maurice' or Morris. Also > two septs of Clan Buchanan were called MacMaurice and eventually Morrison. > > You should order a DNA test immediately. Since you're looking at Donegal, > the odds are the DNA is northwest Irish. If it's Scots then it gets more > complicated. But most likely they were among the many Donegalese who left > their homeland in the 1700s. See Kirby Miller's book on Irish emigration. > Projects like the Cumberland Gap DNA project show immense amounts of north > west Irish DNA, supporting his opinion that Donegal lost much of its Irish > population in the 1700s. > > Other than the DNA test, you just slog through the records. There are lot > on line now, but keep careful records of what you check, including what > you check but don't find nothing in. That's to avoid re-searching that > source 20 times! Esp. irritating when you've hired someone to research and > y ou don't give them a list of what you searched and what you found. So > they, being thorough, execute the standard search and search these things > again. Yes, maybe they can find something you haven't but I suspect you'd > prefer they search somewhere you hadn't <grin>. So it's important to do. I > of course didn't do this the first 10 years or so of my research either > but I do it of course with clients and durn.....it really helps. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:46:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [S-I] Morrison from Donegal > > I have just added a possible 5-gr-grandfather and 6-gr-grandfather to > my ancestors. Because this is a VERY new possibility, I am just > starting my research on this line. The younger man's name is Patrick > Henry Morrison and his father's name is James Morrison. The family > history books in my area that have articles submitted by researchers > (and I realize are thus suspect) say that James and Rachel Morrison > moved to Pittsylvania County, Virginia in the mid to late 1700's from > Donegal. Now I realize that Donegal is part of Ulster Province, but > NOT part of Northern Ireland---being instead a part of the Republic of > Ireland. > > So the question here is do I suspect SI or do I suspect Irish for the > surname Morrison coming out of Donegal? Please, I am not asking > anyone to do my research for me, just looking for a small boost if > anyone has this answer off the top of their heads.....I am mostly just > curious at this very early part of my looking around. marsha in WV > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers See http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0402/1641rebellion.html for RTE News. The link takes you to http://1641.eneclann.ie/about-the-1641-depositions.php Have fun. Remember to scroll through to read all pages of anything you select. Regards Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa ------------------------------------------------ 1641 Rebellion testemonies digitised Friday, 2 April 2010 17:13 They have been locked away and rarely seen for centuries but now for the first time the public is to have access to a set of unique and controversial historic documents. Trinity College, in conjunction with two uk universities, has digitised written witness testimonies of the outbreak of the 1641 rebellion. Now the first batch from Ulster can be accessed online here

John, thanks for these notes, esp. the Homer who was indentured for two years in Maryland. The 'big picture' of the migration from Ulster is that most who came arrived at the Middle Atlantic seaports. Some of the popular ports many of us never heard of, like Perth Amboy, New Jersey. Many could not pay their own passage so they came as indentured servants. They would have usually been indentured before leaving Ireland or very soon after arriving since once they got off the ship they tended to disappear. When free, they would have headed for a congenial place to live. If the ancestor manifests with a large family, it would appear that he was better off in Ulster. Ie he probably sold his lease and improvements to raise cash to transport his family. THIS IS A KEY CLUE. If he could raise such cash, he was a larger farmer or merchant. He would show up in records in Ulster. The allusion to the Ulster Custom, above, is important too. In most of Ireland a tenant could be evicted at will and he was not compensated for improvement he made. He could not sell those to another man. In Ulster he could. This is one thing that produced a greater degree of prosperity for the Ulster farmer. Those improvements they sold to raise cash to leave. One reason tenants in the rest of Ireland often didn't leave is they had no cash to leave. If there is a long lease for a larger hunk of land, possibly it is recorded so you have a greater chance of finding information on a family that comes from Ulster in 1770 (or whenver) versus a single man who appears and is indentured. That man probalby left no records in Ireland. He was not the eldest son (or he'd have stayed and inherited) or his family had no land to pass on, even a leasehold. In this case you really want to do your utmost to get some DNA. Also North America was the dumping ground for criminals. Even after the Revolution (when one of the issues was dumping of criminals) the British gov tried to foist a shipload of criminals off on the now free United States. Oddly, no one is descended from them <grin>! The criminals hid their pasts as best they could due to hostility from the locals. Grandpa didn't tell his great grandchildren he was a criminal. So we find that no one has any stories about the immigrants. There is deafening silence. Because someone was holding onto a secret. While many of the London and Bristol transportees are documented and published ("Immigrants in Chains", etc), those from many other places are not. You got two choices: channel the dead or find some DNA matches. Most if not all the published collections of indentures and criminals are indexed in "Filby" and on line now at Ancestry. So you can check them all in about 2 minutes. The cost of a membership that makes this possible is very very low. You can spend a lifetime looking for these sources or pay and do it in a few minutes. Because so often the migrants we know about are Presbyterian farmers with large families, we may not realize this is not the whole story. Our ancestor may have come by himself, possibly as a guest of the Crown, possibly indenturing himself to pay for passage. Most indentured servants were young people and many were young women. The young women were preyed upon by their 'owners' and their sons, so you had out of wedlock children. Unless there was a court case, it can be hard to find these women. When dealing with a young man in a place where there are no families in the tax records about with his surname, consider it is his mother's surname. Especially if it is a place like Maryland and the surname is Irish. I was searching for such a man's roots once. He had ties -- he was later living in Chambersburg where he appears to have been taught the newspaper trade. He married a girl with newspaper family ties, but he never shows up as anyone's heir and he never said a word to anyone about his father. He later moved to Virginia and died young, leaving sons who were apprenticed in the Newspaper industry and who later founded newspaper dynasties out west. But no one knows a thing about this man's father. I suspect the surname is the mother's and she was a servant in a household associated with the newspaper trade in Maryland (where he said he was born). They took care of their own but didn't really want the association known. And in his older life, he didn't pass on their names. DNA might determine the surname of the father. If you end up with a singleton -- DNA might be the best chance you have to discovering who he was and where he came from. The best documentation of early life in the Middle Atlantic colonies and their ports is Dobson's books. Like "Scottish Emigration to Colonial America, 1607-1785". He focuses of course on Scottish migration but he gives good histories of the colony and the ports of arrival as well as alternative places that they could have come from -- like the West Indies. One reason for reduced migration to New England is that few indentured servants were used there. The market was to the south. One exception he notes on p. 83: John SHand who left Aberdeen in 1725 as a servant to Robert Cumming, a Boston merchant, himself probably from Aberdeen. After completing his term, he sailed to Jamaica. Boston had strong trading ties with Jamaica. He worked as a plantation overseer, returning to Boston. There he died in 1738. Dobson says "Intercolony mobility, probably by sea, was a striking feature of the colonial era, a fact which makes many emigrants difficult to track down." YUP! He records another example: Hugh Ross, an Edinburgh lawyer employed as chief clerk by the Scottish Indian and African Coumpany at its colony in Darien. After that colony collapsed he went to New England. Darien was one of several failed Scots colonies in the New World, in this case Panama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_Americas . Dobson discusses these in his books. There was also a large Scots colony in New Jersy. If you think your ancestor was Irish but he was Scots you'll have a very hard time find ing him in Ireland. There were far more Irish migrants than Scottish in the colonies but it is good know where the Scots were and who they are. There were even Scots in New England -- the descendents of Covenantors sold into slavery by Cromwell in the mid 1600s and sent to work on New England factories. They assimilated rapidly into Yankee culture so by the time the Scotch Irish began to arrive in 1718, they were Yankees. Linda Merle

Linda, what is a good website, or even "the best" if you could choose one or two, to help us get started on getting DNA evidence. I need something simple, if possible. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Morrison from Donegal > Hi Marsha, people can and do change religion and ethnicity all the time, > so don't get too attached to a label. "Scotch Irish" is an American > ethnicity, just meaning they were from a certain area of the USA. Morrison > can be English, Scots, or Irish in origin (Bell "Book of Ulster > Surnames"). There was a very learned sept in Donegal named O'Muirgheasain > (from 'sea valor') who were erenaghs (hereditary keepers) of Conmany in > Inishowen. Not only did some anglicize the name to O'Morison, Morison, > Morrison, but also Bryson (esp. in Derry). In Donegal Bryson, Brice, and > Bryce were also used for Breslin. > > A branch of this sept moved to Lewis and Harris in the Scottish Isles at > an unknown date, where they became bards to the MacLeods of Dunvegan. Etc, > etc..... Of couse the English ones were 'son of Maurice' or Morris. Also > two septs of Clan Buchanan were called MacMaurice and eventually Morrison. > > You should order a DNA test immediately. Since you're looking at Donegal, > the odds are the DNA is northwest Irish. If it's Scots then it gets more > complicated. But most likely they were among the many Donegalese who left > their homeland in the 1700s. See Kirby Miller's book on Irish emigration. > Projects like the Cumberland Gap DNA project show immense amounts of north > west Irish DNA, supporting his opinion that Donegal lost much of its Irish > population in the 1700s. > > Other than the DNA test, you just slog through the records. There are lot > on line now, but keep careful records of what you check, including what > you check but don't find nothing in. That's to avoid re-searching that > source 20 times! Esp. irritating when you've hired someone to research and > y ou don't give them a list of what you searched and what you found. So > they, being thorough, execute the standard search and search these things > again. Yes, maybe they can find something you haven't but I suspect you'd > prefer they search somewhere you hadn't <grin>. So it's important to do. I > of course didn't do this the first 10 years or so of my research either > but I do it of course with clients and durn.....it really helps. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:46:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [S-I] Morrison from Donegal > > I have just added a possible 5-gr-grandfather and 6-gr-grandfather to > my ancestors. Because this is a VERY new possibility, I am just > starting my research on this line. The younger man's name is Patrick > Henry Morrison and his father's name is James Morrison. The family > history books in my area that have articles submitted by researchers > (and I realize are thus suspect) say that James and Rachel Morrison > moved to Pittsylvania County, Virginia in the mid to late 1700's from > Donegal. Now I realize that Donegal is part of Ulster Province, but > NOT part of Northern Ireland---being instead a part of the Republic of > Ireland. > > So the question here is do I suspect SI or do I suspect Irish for the > surname Morrison coming out of Donegal? Please, I am not asking > anyone to do my research for me, just looking for a small boost if > anyone has this answer off the top of their heads.....I am mostly just > curious at this very early part of my looking around. marsha in WV > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Better you than me !! Stan B. > > Linda Merle (Stuck forever as List Admin) >

There was also a sizable number (several hundred) of Scotch-Irish, mostly from the Lifford area, who emigrated to Maryland in the 1680's. Specific ships and arrival dates are hard to come by, but I have one reference which documents an individual named Homer Granahan who arrived to Maryland in 1685 on the Mountjoy, a ship later famous for its role in relieving the siege of Londonderry. Granahan was indentured for two years to John Wallis/Wallace of Somerset County MD who died in 1685, and mentioned Granahan in his will as an arrival on the Mountjoy. (Maryland Wills, Volume 4, p.169.) John Polk Maryland USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee K. Ramsey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 19:56 Subject: [S-I] 1718-1719 S-I Emigration > For those pursuing the 1718-1719 Scotch-Irish emigration to Boston or > Philadelphia from Ireland, I have one ship which has two documented > voyages > from Londonderry, Ireland. > > The MACCALLUM arrived at Boston from Londonderry with 100 passengers 2 > Sept > 1718, (Capt. James Law). > > The MACCALLUM arrived at Philadelphia from Londonderry with passengers and > servants 15 Oct 1719, (Capt. Linn). > > The large contingency aboard the Maccallum to Boston was led by James > Woodside, Presbyterian minister. These settlers went directly to Casco > Bay > (Maine). > > Sources thus far are not able to address the problematic migration problem > from New England to Pennsylvania. Hopefully, someone on this list will be > able to make a breakthrough with a positive I.D. showing their ancestor's > move to the Penn Colony. > > I am not familiar with any overland migrations during the period in > question, but there was "The Boston Post Road" which ran from New York to > Boston starting in 1673. This was a two week trip by horseback and had 3 > routes and was constantly used for mail. > > There is a lot of local history publications for Pennshylvania counties > and > townships on Google Books. > > Lee Ramsey

Sarah - There is a mention of the Rennick family and their origin from Inniskillen (County Fermanagh) in an action by James Logan in Pennsylvania, transcribed in Egle's Notes and Queries, Annual Volume, 1899, p.83, as follows: "Whereas George Rennick, late of Inniskillen, having about eleven years since arrived in this province with the first settlers of Donegal, yet has never obtained leave to settle on any of the proprietor's lands, without which leave he would never presume to attempt it, and being now desirous that himself and three sons, William, Thomas and Robert, and his son-in-law Robert Polke, might be allowed to settle down on some tract together in one neighborhood, I therefore think it advisable that persuant to his request he and his said sons and son-in-law be suffered to enter on the quantity of one thousand acres, near Susquehanna, betwen Sohatroe and Pextan, and that the same may be marked out to him and his said sons in a regular tract by the surveyor of Lancaster county or his order at the said George's charge, upon this express condition, that he and his said sons and son-in-law shall comply with such terms as shall be proposed by the proprietors or their agents, when lands in those parts shall be granted, or other wise shall quietly quitt the same. Dated at Stenton, the 25th day of January, 1730-1. JAMES LOGAN Lett him begin on Susquehanna at least two miles above Sohatroe, running a proper distance back, and he may take in any settlement that is only begun and not actually inhabited. J. L." This would place his arrival in the area at 1719-20. Is this the Robert Rennick that married Mary Boyd Walker as mentioned your note? Do you know when and where he died? John Polk Havre de Grace MD USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 22:07 Subject: Re: [S-I] Migration of 1718 group from Casco Bay to Northampton Co.,PA > My Boyds were earlier but the family was still there. Mary Boyd Walker m. > Robert Renick then their daughter Mary Walker Renick m. my Elijah > Fleming..........all in early (1720-50) PA and then down to SC. All > fighting > for REV from NC. lot of interesting families in early PA. > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Graham" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Migration of 1718 group from Casco Bay to Northampton > Co.,PA > > >> >> On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Sarah wrote: >>> I also had "Boyds" in this area at this time. They were related to the >>> Walkers, Renicks, >>> and Flemings in PA. >> ================= >>> My Boyd ancestor, Mary Boyd b. 1776 Pa. m. John Donnel whose mother >>> was supposedly Mary Fleming. >> >> Diane >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan You mention the surname TRIPP and the Revolutionary War. My gr gr grandmother's name was TRIPP and her father fought in the Rev War and came to Canada. I would suspect they were related. I must admit I haven't done much research on this name but I do know they are United Empire Loyalists who settled in Prince Edward Co, Ontario, Canada. Where can I view your information on Tripp family please? Susan This information was obtained from this source, I do know that the TRIPP family in this source arrived in America in 1720 and settled in Epsom, NH. Sorry, that's all I have on them as this is not my line. Cherryl Ball Frisco, TX The McCutcheon Cutcheon Family Records > Author: Florence McCutcheon McKee > Call Number: R929.2 M133 > Genealogy of the McCutcheon family records, including allied families of > McClary, Tripp, Brown and Critchett. > Bibliographic Information: McKee, Florence M. The McCutcheon (Cutcheon) > Family Records. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Commonwealth Printing Company, 1931. > > Page 51 Page 131 > > THE MCCLARY AND TRIPP FAMILY

Ok, I get it, thanks... I was in high school 39 years ago, They didn't cover a whole lot on Chromosomes. All I remember learning is chromosomes in male pattern baldness...LOL, Ok, well there are no more McCleary males that I know of in our line. Last one died last year... . Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:37 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Hi Ellie, we learned about the Y chromosome in high school. Maybe talk to > son if you forgot. He would only have the Y chromosome of his McCleary > ancestors if he descends on his MALE LINE from them. That means his > surname is McCleary, his father's surname was McCleary, his grandfather's > was, etc. This is the male line. Or try a google. > Knowing how to google is a basic skill for doing genealogy these days. > Teaching about Y chromosomes is not the purpose of this list but you can > find plenty of instructions out thar on the Internet -- and far better > than what we'd attempt here to do. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 2:54:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from > NH toPA in 1719 > > Hi Linda, I guess what I was asking is, my son Seth has the McCleary genes > through his grandmother's, father Jordan McCleary... Does it get too > muddled > that far away from the McCleary surname??? I looked at the site and am > more > confused than before...LOL, I am artistic, not scientific, so my brains > goes...Duh..... sorry, Ellie > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:10 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from > NH toPA in 1719 > >> Hi Ellie, it has to be a male relative with the right surname because he >> would have a Y chromosome inherited from the male ancestor with the >> surname. See www.familytreedna.com for more information. >> >> Good luck with the husband. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:55:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration >> from >> NH toPA in 1719 >> >> Hi Linda, Oh I would love to go the DNA route!!!! And maybe someday I >> will >> be able to ... It is on my wish list ... Why does it have to be a male >> relative with the surname??? Why can't it just be a male with the >> McCleary >> genes in him??? Keeping in mind that my husband is Scotch-Irish, maybe it >> doesn't always fit, but talking my husband into the desire to pay for DNA >> testing will be a real adventure..... LOL, Thanks Ellie >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:14 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration >> from >> NH toPA in 1719 >> >>> Hi Ellen, >>> >>> The burnt courthouse scenario is an all too familiar one. It is the >>> subject of endless lectures, articles, and even books. You need to stop >>> using it as an excuse (like the rest of us <grin>) and get past it using >>> good genealogical methodologies. Such an event can be overcome. You just >>> need to know how. >>> >>> The first thing to do is google. In this case for things like burnt >>> courthouse genealogy. I did that and came up with several things >>> including >>> http://inman.surnameweb.org/documents/looking.htm . >>> >>> The bottom line with burnt courthouses is that sooner or later some >>> government comes along and wants to collect taxes. Unless they can >>> figure >>> out who is responsible for paying the taxes, many are likely to avoid >>> it. >>> So reconstruction of land records occurs rather fast. Assisting are >>> families who want to inherit or continue with their high place in the >>> social order as well as those whose enemies see the chaos as a chance to >>> dispossess those families of their property. >>> >>> There was NOT a law in place (that I am aware of) requiring that >>> property >>> sales (deeds) be registered at the courthouse. I am not a North Carolina >>> expert; I may be wrong, but I doubt it seriously. You COULD register the >>> deed but you didn't have to. Eventually due to the difficulties of >>> collecting taxes, etc, the states applied much pressure to get the court >>> house used. But that's later on. The way you proved you owned property >>> is >>> you produced the deed. The real deed. The deed was copied into the >>> courthouse records -- maybe. The real deed is the one your ancestor had. >>> To prove he owned it after the fire, he showed up at the courthouse and >>> had it recorded again. >>> >>> If he didn't have the deed (house burnt too, goat ate it, Uncle Bob used >>> it for TP (toilet paper)), then you got some witnesses who swore an oath >>> and testified. There are a zillion of these kinda cases all over the USA >>> in court records. If the courthouse burnt up, it started again. >>> >>> There are also grants -- made by the colony. NC grants are a huge huge >>> topic. I once encountered them in a project in Tennessee....They're not >>> kept at the courthouse. Maybe it had some copies but those are state >>> records and I do know they survive. Ditto for Virginia, PA, Maryland and >>> all the places to the north where you should be looking. There are all >>> kinds of records that are not kept at the county courthouse you can use >>> and lots of articles and books that explain what they are and how to >>> find >>> them. >>> >>> However this is a heck of a lot of work. If you want fast results, then >>> it's simple. Catch a male relative with the surname and test his Y >>> chromosome. He has to have the Y chromosome of the early family, so make >>> sure he descends on the male line. Don't have one, you say? Hogwash. Do >>> some genealogy and FIND one! That's what we do <grin>. Genealogy! It >>> costs >>> $300 unless you hit on a sale. Test at www.familytreedna.com (largest >>> database). You can join free as many projects as you want. Maybe the >>> Ireland one. When the results arrive, the admins can usually figure out >>> what quad of Ireland they're from. If Ulster, you are shuffled off to >>> the >>> Ulster Heritage project. Then you look for matches in that project, in >>> NC >>> projects, in family projects, etc. >>> >>> When you find matches, you can then look for the paper trail from A to >>> B. >>> Eliminates a lot of vacuuming up of records in places your ancestors >>> never >>> were. >>> >>> You can spend 20 years vacuuming records and copying them at 25 cents or >>> more per page and not get anywhere, so you hire someone for the minimum >>> amount -- which now is about $300 and they may or may not find something >>> (toss the dice). Or you can do DNA testing NOW. You spend $300. You save >>> money photocopying every piece of paper in the original colonies, and >>> eventually, maybe in six weeks, maybe in a year, you will have a match >>> and >>> can start figuring out how they got from A to B. Even if you never get a >>> match in the USA, you know your ancestor didn't match those guys. He's >>> not >>> a McCleary. But you'll know what he was and can work with those people >>> to >>> figure out who the Indian in the wood pile was. THAT you'll never learn >>> any other way. >>> >>> Because the truth is even if all the courthouses hadn't burnt down, >>> there >>> could have never been a record made of where your ancestors came from, >>> so >>> sifting through records, will not solve this problem. Most colonial >>> immigrations are NOT documented. They were not documented in 1719 when >>> they hopped off the boat nor any other time unless by chance in oral or >>> county histories, obits of pioneers, etc. >>> >>> So forget the courthouse and go track down a cousin. In six weeks, when >>> your DNA results come in, you could know which family groups you match >>> and >>> which you don't, assuming others with the surname have tested. Check for >>> a >>> family project at www.familytreedna.com and find out. >>> >>> DNA is the only way to get results for certain, and it's fast and cheap >>> too. If you have colonial migrants, then you need to do this. You can >>> read >>> through several courses on migration genealogy at >>> www.genealogical.com/university.html and eventually you'll figure out >>> there is no sure way to find their origins doing genealogy. There is >>> using >>> DNA -- so bag a cousin and then read the courses while the DNA is being >>> tested. It'll give you something to do <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message