Great idea!!! Also I am wondering if Google'll do it. The local genealogy society may also be able to assist my friend and her friends. I suggested contacting them. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Marwood" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:54:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] OCRing Journals Yes, try to find a university that is digitizing journals and make arrangements with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [S-I] OCRing Journals > Hi folks, > > Now that I woke you (and myself) up. The Upper Ohio Valley Presbyterian > Historical Society (previously mentioned) wants to put its journals on > line in PDF form with a search engine. This means scanning them and OCRing > them so they are searchable. My question is has anyone been involved in a > society that has done this? Looking for suggestions regarding software to > use, etc. If anyone has can you contact me off line??? I guess this is on > topic since the society is clearly Scotch Irish but it is of limited > interest. > > Thanks in advance..... > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, try to find a university that is digitizing journals and make arrangements with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [S-I] OCRing Journals > Hi folks, > > Now that I woke you (and myself) up. The Upper Ohio Valley Presbyterian > Historical Society (previously mentioned) wants to put its journals on > line in PDF form with a search engine. This means scanning them and OCRing > them so they are searchable. My question is has anyone been involved in a > society that has done this? Looking for suggestions regarding software to > use, etc. If anyone has can you contact me off line??? I guess this is on > topic since the society is clearly Scotch Irish but it is of limited > interest. > > Thanks in advance..... > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Now that I woke you (and myself) up. The Upper Ohio Valley Presbyterian Historical Society (previously mentioned) wants to put its journals on line in PDF form with a search engine. This means scanning them and OCRing them so they are searchable. My question is has anyone been involved in a society that has done this? Looking for suggestions regarding software to use, etc. If anyone has can you contact me off line??? I guess this is on topic since the society is clearly Scotch Irish but it is of limited interest. Thanks in advance..... Linda Merle

Sorry for posting private email to the list. Geez!!!! Maybe this should be added as a new sign of alzheimers in boomers?????? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:05:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] Presbyterian Historical Society Hi Lou, do you want to attend a meeting of the local Presbyterian Historical Society next Saturday at 10 AM in I think Mt Washington in a church. Food prepared by real church ladies? A friend and I are going. She is working on their website. http://www.ohiovalleypresbyterians.org/ See Next Meeting for the details. This group is trying to decide what to do. They have $$$$$ but everyone is very elderly -- largely clergy and their widows. Peter Gilmore is now president and working to modernize. Ie website. They are putting their journals on line. Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, the Presbyterian Historical Society of the Upper Ohio Valley (aka Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and surrounds) is meeting this Saturday. It has many years of fine journals that will be put on their website. It's in the process of modernizing and needs new members with new ideas. Website: http://www.ohiovalleypresbyterians.org/ Details of Saturday's meeting, in a local church. Meal cooked by churchladies....... http://www.ohiovalleypresbyterians.org/schedule.htm I'll be going and maybe I can meet you there. Linda Merle

Hi Lou, do you want to attend a meeting of the local Presbyterian Historical Society next Saturday at 10 AM in I think Mt Washington in a church. Food prepared by real church ladies? A friend and I are going. She is working on their website. http://www.ohiovalleypresbyterians.org/ See Next Meeting for the details. This group is trying to decide what to do. They have $$$$$ but everyone is very elderly -- largely clergy and their widows. Peter Gilmore is now president and working to modernize. Ie website. They are putting their journals on line. Linda

Hi Wendy, oo... 'how a pro would do it". Actually....I'd ask you to bundle up all your stuff and send me copies. I'd spend a few hours or maybe a lot less (depending on contents) inspecting it and studying, and then I'd decide 'a plan of attack'. Based on what you had done and what you wanted to learn -- I'd try to figure out the fastest way from here to there. One time I was in dispair. The su rname was BROWN! The wife was a BROWN too. Trying to find out, of course, where they came from. They claimed Scotland. This was the late 1800s. They were in the USA censuses, claiming to be Scottish, etc, etc. Of course couldn't find them in a ship list in the mid 1800s. However couldn't find the births of any of their children or their marriage in Scotlnad. Something was wrong. Client provided a death certificate for the wife done by the county. Hmmm..... I have collected, back when I had money, lots of reference books, and I have read a lot of articles, etc. One thing I recalled was that you should go check the actual register for these deaths (births, marriages), held by the Pennsylvania county, since the county asked for more information than there were fields in the certificate form. People think a certificate, especially a 'certified' one is an 'original document'. It isn't. It's a twenty first century document that someone filled in. That means it could have typos and it could be missing stuff (this is not true for English and Scottish certificates, filled out at the time). So I drove to the courthouse, well, actually, the county library, wondering if I was wasting the client's money. NO! I found on microflim the actual register and it gave us the COUNTY IN IRELAND where she was born and the names of her parents. The mother was not BROWN (I rejoiced). I drove home. I found the father in the Tithe Applotment index on my CD. He was gone in Griffiths. I looked in the 1851 Scottish census and found the woman who died, unmarried, living in Scotland with her widowed mother. Apparently she returned to Ireland and married and raised her children. They were Protestants and didn't want to be thought to be Irish. This document was possibly the only document that existed that had all the information we needed. Since then I have found other cases like this -- one free transcribed on the Internet. Again gave the names of the parents and county of origin in Ireland. So this pro can't tell you want to 'go for' as she hasn't studied your 'case'. However often the situation is that you have to pursue a methodical genealogical approach. You get the stuff I explained before (or purchase Legacy) and methodically check everything, dotting the I's..... and either you'll find a magic document or you'll accumulate enough clues to put forth a theory which you can then test. One of the things the books I have read tell you to do when stuck (and we all are stuck on one of our lines, if not all), is to review what you have. Often the info you seek is in your records. I have also found that clients sent me the information they wanted me to find. In one case a pro in Salt Lake who makes WAY more money than me, did research and located a marriage record. Sent it on and informed client that it was probably hopeless to try to do Irish research as it is so hard and recommended an expensive friend. The client hired me instead. The marriage record in PA provided the name of the parents and the county of origin in IReland! She was right that she didn't know how to do Irish genealogy. She had found the magic bullet and didn't even realize it. I found the village where they came from in Limerick. But not everyone wins at the slots .... so then you got to do slow, methodical research and dot ALL the I's (ie getting the original, not a nice certificate). So sit down and inspect what you got for clues. Might pay off. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Neuman McGuire" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:29:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] James Reed research Linda – Sorry for the delay in reply. Thank you for presenting the avenues that you would use for further research for the James Reed family. It helped to hear how a pro would approach it. To develop the narrative I used census records (both federal and state), glo records, google and ancestry. I also explored collateral lines through James and Margaret’s children, including Joseph, James, Hannah and Mary Elizabeth. The 1925 Iowa census for Hannah Reed Brock yielded Margaret’s maiden name – Fulton. Thus far no signs of obits or wills though I realize they may be out there. <To find out where they lived in Pennsylvania, check the first deed.> The deeds found in Iowa and the possible land records found in Ohio do not have any information about previous residence in PA. I need to continue to identify the precise James Reed family in Ohio in order to determine the county and town. Local histories may yield mention of the family. I tend not to search family trees since they usually are not sourced. However, good to be reminded and search for clues --and then verify. <Naturalization records may have information but at this early date, probably not.> In most census records of Margaret Fulton’s adult children they refer to their mother's birthplace c. 1806 as “ocean”,“at sea” and Ireland. I’ll look for a 1810 census in PA for Fulton that would have a mark for a female under 10 years old, though we only know that Margaret and James were married in PA. It is not known if she lived there with her family prior to her marriage. If she used the Irish naming pattern for her children, her father's name may be Joseph. There is lots of work to do on this line and you provided great suggestions when I was feeling stimied. Now I need to remember to record where I have been in a systematic way. Have people created organizational check lists to save them from themselves? Searches for the name James Reed usually yield too many possibilities. Thanks! -Wendy Wendy Neuman McGuire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda – Sorry for the delay in reply. Thank you for presenting the avenues that you would use for further research for the James Reed family. It helped to hear how a pro would approach it. To develop the narrative I used census records (both federal and state), glo records, google and ancestry. I also explored collateral lines through James and Margaret’s children, including Joseph, James, Hannah and Mary Elizabeth. The 1925 Iowa census for Hannah Reed Brock yielded Margaret’s maiden name – Fulton. Thus far no signs of obits or wills though I realize they may be out there. <To find out where they lived in Pennsylvania, check the first deed.> The deeds found in Iowa and the possible land records found in Ohio do not have any information about previous residence in PA. I need to continue to identify the precise James Reed family in Ohio in order to determine the county and town. Local histories may yield mention of the family. I tend not to search family trees since they usually are not sourced. However, good to be reminded and search for clues --and then verify. <Naturalization records may have information but at this early date, probably not.> In most census records of Margaret Fulton’s adult children they refer to their mother's birthplace c. 1806 as “ocean”,“at sea” and Ireland. I’ll look for a 1810 census in PA for Fulton that would have a mark for a female under 10 years old, though we only know that Margaret and James were married in PA. It is not known if she lived there with her family prior to her marriage. If she used the Irish naming pattern for her children, her father's name may be Joseph. There is lots of work to do on this line and you provided great suggestions when I was feeling stimied. Now I need to remember to record where I have been in a systematic way. Have people created organizational check lists to save them from themselves? Searches for the name James Reed usually yield too many possibilities. Thanks! -Wendy Wendy Neuman McGuire

Hi Jim, I'm certainly not of Celtic Irish descent. My grandfather was born in Sheffield. Quite English. Regards, Dick Holmes Occidental CA On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: More on DNA (Jim White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:46:39 -0500 > From: "Jim White" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Ruth: > > I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I am > R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I have > assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from > England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in Sligo. > > Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need > much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at > FTDNA). > > Regards > > Jum White > > Naples, Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > > > What else can I say but THANK YOU! What a terrific response. > > I've read it twice and already learned much ? it's so very > interesting, as well as useful, because of your gift of writing so > conversationally. I want to throughly 'digest' that Wikipedia > quotation about I1 that you give and also I'll go looking for Ken > Nordvedt. > > Will re-read what you've written tomorrow when I'm brighter than at > this late hour! This is yet another post of yours that will join my > file called "Great Linda Merle Posts." Thanks. > > Ruth in Ottawa > > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Ruth, >> >> There's some information here about I1: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I1_%28Y-DNA%29 >> >> Most importantly it says: >> "When SNPs are unknown or untested and when short tandem repeat (STR) >> results show eight allele repeats at DNA Y chromosome Segment (DYS) 455, >> haplogroup I1 can be predicted correctly with a very high rate of >> accuracy, 99.3 to 99.8 percent, according to Whit Athey and Vince >> Vizachero. [ 11 ] [ 12 ] This is almost exclusive to and ubiquitous in the >> I1 haplogroup, with very few having seven, nine, or another number. >> Furthermore, DYS 462 divides I1 geographically. Nordtvedt considers 12 >> allele repeats to be more likely Anglo-Saxon and on the southern fringes >> of the I1 map, while 13 signifies more northerly, Nordic origins. >> Nordtvedt has repeatedly argued that, at least for I1, [ 13 ] SNP testing >> is generally not as beneficial as expanded STR results." >> >> Ken Nordtvedt is very active on the genealogy-DNA list and he is the >> specialist in this haplo group. As you can see above you should be able to >> distinguish between two types -- Anglo Saxon and Nordic. Probably there is >> more information in the archives of the genealogy DNA list including the >> logic of those who may dispute his analysis. >>> Linda, could we assume that the Irish of pre-Plantation times would be >> hugely R1b1b2 as Daniel points out "most Celtic Irish [are]" and that >> those brought over from Scotland would not necessarily be? >> >> What is "most Celtic Irish"??? WIthin Ireland there is, to a geneticist, a >> wide variation of percentages of different types of DNA regionally. So >> where are you talking about precisely? in the true north west most men are >> northwest Irish, a specific type of R1 but as you shift locations you get >> different percentages. And then of course what are the others? Various >> things including other types of R1. >> >> Second problem is 'what is Celtic'? Celtic is a CULTURE. It has nothing to >> do with DNA. The scientists still debate over whether it was brought to >> Ireland by actual migrations of people bearing it or taught. If you go now >> to almost anywhere on the planet you will find evidence of Euro-American >> culture (blue jeans, for example), >> but is that the result of a massive invasion of EuroAmericans or cultural >> transference. We know usually its >> cultural transference. But we don't know (or rather I don't know and my >> eyes glaze over listening to the >> arguments) how it came to Ireland. >> >> What seems true from what I have read, though perhaps I am out of date, is >> that most of the IRish population >> was in place a very long time ago, migrating up the coast of Europe over >> land bridges. At the Seine, which >> then emptied south into the Atlantic (flowing through what is now the >> English Channel), some went west >> to Scotland and some took the valley of the SEine and went up it and into >> what is now France. The interior >> of Wales was mountainous. These people eventually crossed over into >> Scotland, probably over a land >> bridge. >> >> However since God never towed either away from one another, they were >> always close, even after the >> ice age ended and the land bridges inundated, clever humans built boats >> and traveled freely among >> Ireland, Scotland, and the Nordic lands. >> >> The Nordic lands were settled in a different fashion. You can view >> these..... But some of these Nordic >> types of DNA were in Ireland for thousands of years. Does that mean they >> aren't "Celtic"? This is hogwash. >> Of course they were as Celtic as the next guy. We don't want to end up >> becoming some >> kind of 21st century 'bigot' who claims some poor smuck with an I1 chromo >> isn't really Irish when in fact he is. And for all we know, some came up >> from the Iberian area. They were >> not 'pure' haplotypes, even then. >> >> On the other hand too the eastern coast of England/Scotland was settled >> from the east, not the south, >> and it has seen waves of migrations, even in prehistoric times. There is >> much greater diversity there. >> >> People don't realize that our ancestors were very mobile. I was just >> reading about the world of Bede, >> an 8th century English historian who sheds much light on the Dark Ages at >> a time when the Anglo >> Saxons were still not very Christian and Christianity was still grappling >> with the neoclassic pagan >> heritage (ie re-writing Latin texbooks using Christian stories and not >> pagan). In the 700s people liked >> to go on pilgrimates to Rome. They'd cross to France and travel south, >> departing by boat from Marseilles. >> Took six months or more to get there. Many died on the way, but it was >> good to die on a pilgrimage. >> One person went on six such trips in his life. Later on, before the >> Vikings destroyed things, the >> Anglo Saxon/Irish Christians had great impact on Continental Europe -- >> many traveled there and >> even settled. We find many English manuscripts in Continental libraries >> from these dark age >> centuries. The DNA mixed a lot. The Irish came to England, the English to >> Ireland, etc, etc,e tc. >> >> The scientists always deal with statistics, so they can tell you 60 >> percent of your type of DNA is >> found here, etc...but you are not interested in the big picture. You want >> to know about one particular >> instance. Maybe you can never know when precisely your ancestor arrived in >> Ireland because his >> DNA will not tell you. Only that it was in Ireland because your ancestor >> was. You have to seek other >> information to even devise theories. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29 - the migration of >> R1 is complicated >> and some do not believe in the Ibernian origin any more. >> >> How can you really separate planters from Irish? Scientists iare of the >> opinion that it is not >> possible. After all, God towed Ireland next to Scotland a very long time >> ago and since then people with >> legs and boats could travel back and forth. If you actually think the DNA >> is different in Scotland from the >> DNA in Ireland, see me about a bridge i'm selling. It is not. It dffers in >> percentages. Many Scots clans, >> we know, are founded by Irishmen. Their DNA doesn't 'change' just because >> they moved to Scotland. >> The scientists see different types of mutations coming from a common >> 'root', ie different branches, >> but also there is the constant patter of new people in both places. >> >> A person's chromosomes do not determine their ethnicity. An Irish ancestor >> living in Ireland could have >> strange DNA -- maybe he comes from Wales, where there were Irish colonies >> and where the Irish raided >> and took slaves. THe Romans imported slaves to work in Welsh copper >> mines -- you find all kinds of >> eastern Mediteranian DNA there. These people are called "Welsh >> coalminers". Their Y chromo is >> irrelevant. When ancestors were captured and lugged to Ireland, their >> descendents were "Irishmen". >> >> So if you want to know about your ancestor, you should study the records >> to see where he lived, >> how he lived, and what his religion and social class was. That will tell >> you who he was -- not his >> Y chromosome. >> >> A Johnston with a I2 Y chromo could culturally have been "Celtic' >> (whatever that means). he isn't >> related to the McShane clan that gave Queen Lizzie and some other O'Neills >> heart burn in the >> 1500s. That's all it says. A more detailed inspection by Ken Nordtvedt (or >> yourself) might suggest >> something about where he was before if you have matches. Or you can >> understand the mutation rates >> so you can tell who matches when the FTDNA software doesn't indicate they >> are matches. Or you >> understand the genomap well enough to ID the significance of 'upstream' >> mutations. I can't do this >> and must rely on others. >> >> What we see in projects like the Cumberland Gap project (descendents of >> people, often 'scotch irish', >> migrating west through the Gap into Kentucky) is a lot of north west >> Irish. What it shows is a lot of >> indiginous Irish assimilating into .... what? "Planter"? Meaning they were >> Protestant in Ireland? "Scotch Irish" >> meaning they assimilated in America? 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Hi folks, in the ISOGG list (for admins of DNA projects) there is a discussion on records relating to Loyalists in the American Revolution at the National Archives in collection AO. You cannot see them on line though there are on line records of two types: free and paid for. This site indexes not only documents and manuscripts in Kews but also in other repositories like PRONI. So it is valuable for a number of things: looking for more recent relatives that you might want to DNA test to see if you match (records relating to awards made to soldiers, etc), looking for where the estate papers where your ancestor lived were deposited, Etc. It is not for beginnings. People attempting to use it need to use the help and the Research Guides here: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/ . See AO, http://tinyurl.com/y4v79fc for the entry on Loyalist records. These are indexed by colony. I do not know if this material is microfilmed and in the Family History Library. Easy to find out though. Here's info on the Ranfurly estate in Tyrone, where a client's ancestor lived: Knox, Thomas (1786-1858) 2nd Earl of Ranfurly 1826-58: corresp, diaries and estate papers D/4370 17th cent-20th cent: deeds, family and estate papers D235, 1932, T871, 3707 1610-1940: solicitor's and estate papers D/4183 Some or all of these ae microfilmed and in LDS. I've checked some of them. I have McGearys: Admiralty: Royal Marines: Attestation Forms ADM 157/333/174 Folios 174-191. William McGeary, born Donegal, Ireland. Attestation papers to serve in the Royal Marines at Plymouth 1876 (when aged 18). Discharged 1883 as an Invalid. . Folios 174-191. William McGeary, born Donegal, Ireland. Attestation papers to serve Date: 1876 - 1883 KEY to working with British military records is knowing the regiment. This provides the regiment! Using it you can look up more information....which you cannot do if you don't know the regiment. Passenger lists!! Passenger list of the COLOMBIE. Departure Port:WES Indies... BT 26/1372/7312 NDIES, Arrival Port:PLYMOUTH.(Selected records only) Date(s): January 1957 SOBERS Cecil W. TROTMAN Ulric McG. THOMPSON Daisy WELCH Ruby M. WILLOUGHBY Norma ASHBY Wylda GARNES Cynthia E. HAREWOOD Sylvia HARRIS Nellie Ismay FORTE Esther T. JACKMAN Una C. JONES Erna LEWIS Waple L. McCLEAN Marva H. McGEARY Wilbert McKENLEY Claudette Old court cases: Deposition. Examination of Michael McGeary of Armagh, Ireland, vagrant, with pass to convey Michael McGeary from Manchester to Ireland QSP/2766/44 1819 23 Dec These documents are held at Lancashire Record Office (Link provided to it; you'd email to see how to get more info) Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents WO 97/1247/10 BERNARD MCGEARY Born LISDUFF, Leitrim Served in Royal Artillery Discharged aged 41 . BERNARD MCGEARY Born LISDUFF, Leitrim Served in Royal Artillery Discharged aged 41 Royal Artillery: McG - McK Date: 1799 - 1818 A soldier in the family is fantastic -- lots of records on these guys, but you'll need to learn how to find them by reading up on British military records. Don't expect to get far if you don't do this. Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents WO 97/1247/11 JAMES MCGEARY Born MOHILL, Leitrim Served in 9th Dragoons; Royal Sappers and Miners Discharged aged 56 . JAMES MCGEARY Born MOHILL, Leitrim Served in 9th Dragoons; Royal Sappers and Miners Discharged aged 56 Royal Artillery: McG - McK Date: 1801 - 1814 I had no idea there were a group of McGearys in Leitrim. Thought it was an "Ulster Surname". Also search for information on places. Last example, I wondered where the Boldon Book was kept. County Durham was not included in the Domesday Book, but was in this book, 1100s. Found "Bishopric of Durham: Complete survey made in the time of Bishop Hatfield, with copy of the Boldon Book." Info on it: http://everything2.com/title/Boldon+Book with more useful information: "It was naturally enough originally written in Latin and survives in the form of four manuscript copies, the earliest of which is the British Library, Stowe MS 930 which dates from the thirteenth century. Since, as noted above, the Domesday Book itself omits any reference to Durham and Northumberland, the Boldon Book is often 'bundled up' with the Domesday in various facsimile and reproductions of that work. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boldon_Book http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/feu.shtml Linda Merle

Wonderful post, Linda. Thank you again for another addition to my bulging "LindaMerle-DATA" file. If only days had more than 24 hours!! A quick comment. A major Fermanagh Crozier family, I first came to know initially *in Leitrim* but soon realized they were NOT a Leitrim family. Crossing paths with the right person at the right moment led to the discovery of this Leitrim line's strong Ulster roots. I'm still on the track of exactly what took them to Leitrim at the end of 1700s/ beginning of 1800s. Ruth Sent from my iPod On 2010-04-15, at 10:30 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi folks, > > in the ISOGG list (for admins of DNA projects) there is a discussion > on records relating to Loyalists in the American Revolution at the > National Archives in collection.............,

Try addding .html at the end. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Dolan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Celtic Ireland Culture > the link doesn't work > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lee K. Ramsey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 12:58:04 PM > Subject: [S-I] Celtic Ireland Culture > > The Arrival of the Celts: > As the Bronze Age in Ireland drew to a close, there appeared in Ireland a > new cultural influence. Developing in the Alps of central Europe, the > Celts > spread their culture across modern-day Germany and France and into the > Balkans as far as Turkey. They arrived in Britain and Ireland around 500BC > and within a few hundred years, Ireland's Bronze Age culture had all but > disappeared, and Celtic culture was in place across the entire island. > > > > http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/iron_age > .html > > > > Lee Ramsey > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5027 (20100414) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5027 (20100414) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi Wendy, You've got a nice narrative below of what you have figured out about the family, but I can't tell what records you have searched and so what else you should check. It's all about the records. To find out where they lived in Pennsylvania, check the first deed. It may indicate where they lived before. The deed may be a grant (which doesn't mean they didn't pay for it -- it means that they bought it from the government. The area they bought in in Ohio is significant. What is an area researched for military? You can usually find this out by using the Internet these days. Military reserves were important in Ohio. The paperwork will tell you much: where they had lived, also info about the claimant. People were claiming bounty land awarded to parents and grandparents, etc, , way into the 1850s. Check obits, if you can find any. Check military records: pensions will indicate where they served. Widows could have filed for pensions. If they were in Pennsylvania during the Revolution they may have served in the militia and have been eligible for a state pension. State bounty land was north of the ALlegheny. They may have sold the warrant. Don't forget the War of 1812. There is a book, now in Ancestry, that supposedly has the names of non-naturalized British males in the USA during the war. They were required to register. Naturalization records may have information but at this early date, probably not. Unfortunately they're hard to find. The first papers are the important ones that could have info. The Allegheny Co ones are on line for members of the Western Pennsylvania genealogical Society. I'd use tax records in Ohio to figure out when they moved to the area. I'm assuming there are some, but you'll have to check with the county. Then in PA use the censuses to get a short list of target families, then go into land records, etc. Look for areas with REED and FULTON in close proximity. The will abstracts for Cumberland Co and a few others are on line. Look for the wife, in particular, in a will. There are several collections of PA church records on CD. I have a set. Check on line family trees for these people as well as compiled genealogies at Ancestry and other places. Download the free PA research guide from the Family History Library. It will contain the major indexes. Actually the FHL has a separate state guide with indexes. Identify your timeframe and check those indexes. It's hard if you haven't spent years studying this to hit all the bases and to do a thorough, standard genealogical search. You can purchase Legacy family tree. It contains research guidance and will identify all the standard sources you should be checking for. As you check these sources off you feel you are making progess -- and you are, even if you haven't found much. With a name like REED your issue isn't going to be not finding information but rather figuring out which REED. Be sure to develop a profile of your man -- his occupation, appoximate age, wife's name, ages of children, military service, etc. You can use this to eliminate men in PA. Once you have a short list of potentials, you can use tax records, etc, to find a man that disappears when yours appears in Ohio. He may have sold property when he moved (many did) so you can then look for deeds and tax records at the county level. They will tell you much. In some areas these records are published but don't neglect to visit. Westmoreland Co, for example, has very detailed tax records from the early years. It is the parent of the other counties. I used them to determine a man arrived in 1821, his occupation was merchant, and he owned 2000 acres. Another tactic you can do is trace collateral lines. You may find that the descendent of one of his other children does know where they lived before, or you may find the information in a county history where they moved, or an obit. etc.etc. This is a lot of work but it is the only reason we have a clue where my mother's paternal parents came from in Ireland -- because another descendent preserved the information. "Stick genealogy" (you at bottom, ancestor at top, no branches) doesn't work. You may find info too in the land grant records in Iowa. As the states where I research do not include federal land grants, I am not so familiar with them, but I do recall reading somewhere that you had to prove you were a citizen, etc, etc, to establish eligibility. May have info. See http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/. Reeds and Fultons here: http://files.usgwarchives.net/pa/washington/vitals/births/washbirths1732-1889.txt Google -- that's how I found these ones. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Neuman McGuire" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:27:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] Reed research suggestions Linda's explanations are so valuable and motivating and this list very engaged! I know you will have some thoughts about where to go next to find the ancestral trail. Here is a family that I am pursuing. No brick walls - yet. Just not enough time to research. Any suggestions are appreciated. James Reed, b. 1800 in Pennsylvania, married Margaret Fulton, b. c. 1805 in Ireland, before 1825. James parents birthplaces were Ireland. Margaret's maiden name was found on the 1925 Iowa census reported by her daughter Hannah Reed Brock. They probably married in PA before 1825, which was the birth of their first child, Joseph. They immigrated to Ohio, where daughter Mary Elizabeth was b. in December 1832 and another daughter Hannah was born c. 1842. Next the James Reed family moved to Iowa where they appear on censuses beginning in 1850 and a land grant in 1849. James dies in June 1860 in Marshall Co., Iowa after being struck by lightening. Any suggestions about how to take the next step and find records for James Reed and Margaret Fulton in PA -- when the county is not known? TIA, Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, especially those who would like to understand their DNA results better, We can discuss this generally and generate interest in testing and explain generally what these studies might mean for our genealogy as well as methodologies for combining them. But when it comes to interpretation of specifics, then join this list: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/DNA-NEWBIE.html The reason is -- DNA is NOT our area of expertise and it is for DNA-Newbie. Others will (and are) becoming bored with this thread here. Second reason is that the details are complicated and sometimes disputed. Only people whose declared expertise is DNA can really steer you correctly through this mess (maybe). Generally speaking again, Haplogroups, specific mutations, the meaning of Celtic culture, etc, are NOT the topics of long, complicated, and argumentative threads here because they have little or no bearing on our immediate ancestors. Finding them through DNA studies is relevant here. People wanting to argue over the meaning of Celtic culture, when certain mutations arrived in Britain, etc, etc, can join http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html where many of the terms that we all think we understand (and are experts on) are disputed and debunked. My evil purpose in starting this thread was to generate interest in testing and to help people understand how their results can help their genealogy. Our genealogy take place in the 1600s through to the twenty first centuries, in most cases. Not thousands of years ago. So if users could restrain themselves to genealogy and take questions regarding the interpretations of their results to another list to avoid irritating those who are not interested, thanks. The genetic genealogist I often work with has said that he tries to avoid making any statements about anything before 12 AD. Why it's because the geneticists come up with new theories constantly, so what you told someone today is shown to be wrong tomorrow. This is different from those of us who have beliefs based on stuff we learned 60 years ago in school, based on nineteen century mythology. That stuff needs to be re-examined as it's out of date and maybe unproven by modern scientific methodologies. It's very difficult to distinguish on these lists between an authorative answer and one that is not. For that reason also you need to take these questions about your specific test results to a place where you can possibly get an authoritative response. Another place to look for authorities who might comment on your DNA (for a fee) is www.isogg.org .. Many of these people are on the Genealogy DNA list (as I said before) and by requesting help there you can sometimes get help free. So we need to return to discussing more general DNA topics relevant to our areas of interest HERE. So I will start redirecting people to another list if the questions/comments (etc) ignore the information in this email. Or would someone like to start a Scotch-irish DNA list??? Best of luck! Linda Merle (functioning as List Admin)

the link doesn't work ________________________________ From: Lee K. Ramsey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 12:58:04 PM Subject: [S-I] Celtic Ireland Culture The Arrival of the Celts: As the Bronze Age in Ireland drew to a close, there appeared in Ireland a new cultural influence. Developing in the Alps of central Europe, the Celts spread their culture across modern-day Germany and France and into the Balkans as far as Turkey. They arrived in Britain and Ireland around 500BC and within a few hundred years, Ireland's Bronze Age culture had all but disappeared, and Celtic culture was in place across the entire island. http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/iron_age .html Lee Ramsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda's explanations are so valuable and motivating and this list very engaged! I know you will have some thoughts about where to go next to find the ancestral trail. Here is a family that I am pursuing. No brick walls - yet. Just not enough time to research. Any suggestions are appreciated. James Reed, b. 1800 in Pennsylvania, married Margaret Fulton, b. c. 1805 in Ireland, before 1825. James parents birthplaces were Ireland. Margaret's maiden name was found on the 1925 Iowa census reported by her daughter Hannah Reed Brock. They probably married in PA before 1825, which was the birth of their first child, Joseph. They immigrated to Ohio, where daughter Mary Elizabeth was b. in December 1832 and another daughter Hannah was born c. 1842. Next the James Reed family moved to Iowa where they appear on censuses beginning in 1850 and a land grant in 1849. James dies in June 1860 in Marshall Co., Iowa after being struck by lightening. Any suggestions about how to take the next step and find records for James Reed and Margaret Fulton in PA -- when the county is not known? TIA, Wendy

Jim, The admin for the L21 Project states that SNP L21+ represents a change of nucleotide at the location on the y chromosome known as rs11799226. We have a G there - whatever that represents. L21/S145 is represented under haplogroup R1b1b2a1b6. Check out http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml On the main page you can also scroll down to several maps. Lee Ramsey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim White Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA Hi Woody: Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. Regards Jim White Naples, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their > site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain > (Cornwall > & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately > Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 > Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought > to > indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially > Norwegians. > All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or > another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of my > families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic > name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the > 5th > to 17th centuries. > > Woody Stephens > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > >> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >> >> Ruth in Ottawa >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ruth: >>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I >>> am >>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>> have >>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>> Sligo. >>> >>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need >>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>> FTDNA). >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jim White >>> Naples, Florida >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim: I don't know offhand. I have to go onto the site and click links until I find it, but it's there. It is a map showing where various halpologues (?) were found to have originated based on participants' info on their earliest known male ancestor. As far as L21 goes, I believe it is a set of specific markers within the genome. Those people in R1b1b2 matching among these markers belong to a subgroup within R1b1b2 and assumed to have an origin within a specific group. I don't understand all I know about DNA, and probably know less than I think I do, so I'm really not the best person to ask. Woody Stephens -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim White" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > Hi Woody: > > Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is > concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? > > I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? > > What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). > > As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. > > Regards > > Jim White > > Naples, Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > > >>I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their >> site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain >> (Cornwall >> & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately >> Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 >> Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought >> to >> indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially >> Norwegians. >> All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or >> another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of >> my >> families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic >> name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the >> 5th >> to 17th centuries. >> >> Woody Stephens >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >> >>> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >>> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >>> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >>> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >>> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >>> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >>> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >>> >>> Ruth in Ottawa >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ruth: >>>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". >>>> I >>>> am >>>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>>> have >>>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>>> Sligo. >>>> >>>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you >>>> need >>>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>>> FTDNA). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Jim White >>>> Naples, Florida >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Woody: Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. Regards Jim White Naples, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their > site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain > (Cornwall > & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately > Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 > Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought > to > indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially > Norwegians. > All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or > another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of my > families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic > name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the > 5th > to 17th centuries. > > Woody Stephens > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > >> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >> >> Ruth in Ottawa >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ruth: >>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I >>> am >>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>> have >>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>> Sligo. >>> >>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need >>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>> FTDNA). >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jim White >>> Naples, Florida >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain (Cornwall & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought to indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially Norwegians. All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of my families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the 5th to 17th centuries. Woody Stephens -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting > when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I > think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And > of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this > morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the > window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting > to see what Linda or Dan say to you. > > Ruth in Ottawa > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Ruth: >> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I >> am >> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >> have >> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in Sligo. >> >> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need >> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >> FTDNA). >> >> Regards >> >> Jim White >> Naples, Florida > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >