Hi Joan, We knew already my mtDNA was J1c, due to free testing at Smurf, but now it is J1c3a, which so far has not told me much. My maternal maternal line is German (everyone in Pennsylvania has some German), and it apparently goes back to the mideast, where it entered Europe in neolithic times. 25% of Arab women have it. I'm a "Lost Tribe". Actually the DNA type originated long before Abraham so both Jews and Arabs have it (I have read). My dad is English. Frisian (northern german), maybe in Durham, England long before the Romans. For only another $89 I can know for sure...... I will have to check my Kel group to see what it is....Nope, K+k-. Do you want to run the list instead? Maybe it is more appropriate since my Kel is wrong <grin>. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:02:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] If you are reading this, you are on the Scotch Irish list Linda- I was tested more than a year ago with 23andme. My mtDNA subclade/Haplogroup is: H3a and I know that my straight maternal line came from Northern Ireland and identified as being Scotch-Irish. If you just got your results your data may not be in the Relative Finder yet--check back later if it isn't. I found that tool fun and have found provable cousins using the Relative Finder (including a 2nd cousin!). As for the medical data I came out at very high risk for Celiac (which can fit with my heritage). As for your comment about no Indians in the woodpile--23andme has a disclaimer on their Native American finder that beyond the 3rd great-grandparents the test is not likely to show any NA blood even it is there. I'm not saying it IS there, just that any genetic link to that heritage is probably too watered down to prove beyond the 3rd greats. One thing I did learn in my medical info was a very rare (for Northern Eupopeans--and for anyone really) non-ABO blood antigen. In the Kel group 92% of Europeans, 98% of Africans and an equally high percentage of all groups except for Arabs where the percentage is 75%, -- are K-/k+. I'm K+/k+. On the 23andme forums I put out a query to find others who are KEL K+/k+ AND who are 100% Northern European. All of the people who responded have Scotch-Irish heritage which is our single common denominator. Obviously MOST Scotch-Irish are not K+/k+ but the only other Northern Europeans are ARE K+/k+ that I could find (admittedly unscientific) DO have Scotch-Irish heritage. My understanding is that this implies that, although the mutation occurred among the Arabic population (in the Middle East) many years ago, someone (also a long time ago) spread this SNP to Scotland and eventually Northern Ireland where it is preserved in a small percentage of the population. Interesting stuff. Joan In a message dated 5/25/2010 12:54:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I got more details on my mitochondrial DNA. I am 100% European, largely northern. No Indians in the woodpile. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda,   If you ever see that sale again, please let the list know immediately, certain there are several of us who would jump at the chance of the test. When you mentioned it telling of the Crohns gene, really hit home for me, as I have had the problem since 1971, took several years to learn there was a gene for it.  I haven't found anyone on my father's Shanks side who has had it, that is my Scotch Irish, they came from Belfast in 1767 to Charleston, S. Carolina for a land offering. My husband has had his DNA done with the Family Tree dna with his Widener list, but only told of his paternal lines.  What you spoke of told so much more than we have received from them. Thanks for all of your help!! Mary Widener -------------------------------

Hi folks, it is the summer dulldrims when everyone goes off to the beach to pick up tar balls and stops doing genealogy. However you are still on the list if you can read this. I will try to think of something relevant to post on. However today I got my results for my DNA testing. In late April www.23andme.com offered a sale for one day: their $500 package for $100. I jumped at it, being poor and priced out of the autosomal market. Today the results came in. WOW!!! This is a great toy, if nothing else. I will be chewing on this bone for months. I have two siblings who have crohns disease and sure enough, I have a couple genes that cause it. Apparently at least 5 or 6 have been found (I forget).... The webpages are so well designed. It presents the info simply, but you can 'drill down' to review the exact information on each gene and get the names of the studies. Apparently you can link to info on the studies or maybe the studies .....will take me a while to get there. I learned a lot about my disease risks and that I carry no genes for things like cystic fibrosis. Of course at my age I would probably know this already. I got a fat gene, no surprise there either. I got more details on my mitochondrial DNA. I am 100% European, largely northern. No Indians in the woodpile. They accurately predicted my ABO blood type (And I learned my mum passed me an O gene: my dad is AB so he gave me the B, and my mum, a B must have been BO...) and my eye color, the kind of ear wax I got , and a number of other things. I got matches with a number of cousins who I emailed and now I'm waiting to see how that works. I had hoped for more insight on alzheimers risks, but apparently they are still working on that. It's complicated, they say. My mother's line has a lot of it. AND I learned why my dad and his mother have dry eyes and mouths: an autoimmune condition I got a gene for too....and I know who to blame for it <grin>. This is probably not as important as knowing my reactions to warfarin (average) and a few other drugs they test for. that could be important, so I guess I'll print it out and carry it with me. Yes, this will keep me occupied and out of trouble at least through the summer --- and maybe get me some new Scotch Irish cousins as well. We live in an astonishing time. Linda Merle

LOL! Linda...actually YOU are in the majority here...even for Scotch-Irish. I'm the one in the tiny minority of Scotch-Irish who have this K+ (the k+ is also common but you and I both have that one). There is even a rare genetic disease associated with this K+ antigen IF it is accompanied by other variant recessive genes on the X chromosome -- it occurs mostly in men since men only have a single copy of the X and if that one is defective along with the K+ antigen being present they can be affected. It is called McLeod's syndrome (see WikiPedia for more info is interested). From the name McLeod's it sounds as if this first occurred in a Scottish or Irish man perhaps? Anyway, in my search for others with the K+ who were Northern European I ran into one man who actually has this syndrome (which is where I learned about it) and he's of Scotch-Irish descent. Joan In a message dated 5/25/2010 3:23:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Joan, We knew already my mtDNA was J1c, due to free testing at Smurf, but now it is J1c3a, which so far has not told me much. My maternal maternal line is German (everyone in Pennsylvania has some German), and it apparently goes back to the mideast, where it entered Europe in neolithic times. 25% of Arab women have it. I'm a "Lost Tribe". Actually the DNA type originated long before Abraham so both Jews and Arabs have it (I have read). My dad is English. Frisian (northern german), maybe in Durham, England long before the Romans. For only another $89 I can know for sure...... I will have to check my Kel group to see what it is....Nope, K+k-. Do you want to run the list instead? Maybe it is more appropriate since my Kel is wrong <grin>. Linda Merle

Linda- I was tested more than a year ago with 23andme. My mtDNA subclade/Haplogroup is: H3a and I know that my straight maternal line came from Northern Ireland and identified as being Scotch-Irish. If you just got your results your data may not be in the Relative Finder yet--check back later if it isn't. I found that tool fun and have found provable cousins using the Relative Finder (including a 2nd cousin!). As for the medical data I came out at very high risk for Celiac (which can fit with my heritage). As for your comment about no Indians in the woodpile--23andme has a disclaimer on their Native American finder that beyond the 3rd great-grandparents the test is not likely to show any NA blood even it is there. I'm not saying it IS there, just that any genetic link to that heritage is probably too watered down to prove beyond the 3rd greats. One thing I did learn in my medical info was a very rare (for Northern Eupopeans--and for anyone really) non-ABO blood antigen. In the Kel group 92% of Europeans, 98% of Africans and an equally high percentage of all groups except for Arabs where the percentage is 75%, -- are K-/k+. I'm K+/k+. On the 23andme forums I put out a query to find others who are KEL K+/k+ AND who are 100% Northern European. All of the people who responded have Scotch-Irish heritage which is our single common denominator. Obviously MOST Scotch-Irish are not K+/k+ but the only other Northern Europeans are ARE K+/k+ that I could find (admittedly unscientific) DO have Scotch-Irish heritage. My understanding is that this implies that, although the mutation occurred among the Arabic population (in the Middle East) many years ago, someone (also a long time ago) spread this SNP to Scotland and eventually Northern Ireland where it is preserved in a small percentage of the population. Interesting stuff. Joan In a message dated 5/25/2010 12:54:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I got more details on my mitochondrial DNA. I am 100% European, largely northern. No Indians in the woodpile.

this sounds like a really interesting DNA test, as well as being valuable. If you ever see this test at that bargain price again, could you post it to the list? Thank you so much Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: [S-I] If you are reading this, you are on the Scotch Irish list > Hi folks, it is the summer dulldrims when everyone goes off to the beach > to pick up tar balls and stops doing genealogy. However you are still on > the list if you can read this. I will try to think of something relevant > to post on. > > However today I got my results for my DNA testing. In late April > www.23andme.com offered a sale for one day: their $500 package for $100. I > jumped at it, being poor and priced out of the autosomal market. Today the > results came in. WOW!!! This is a great toy, if nothing else. I will be > chewing on this bone for months. > > I have two siblings who have crohns disease and sure enough, I have a > couple genes that cause it. Apparently at least 5 or 6 have been found (I > forget).... The webpages are so well designed. It presents the info > simply, but you can 'drill down' to review the exact information on each > gene and get the names of the studies. Apparently you can link to info on > the studies or maybe the studies .....will take me a while to get there. I > learned a lot about my disease risks and that I carry no genes for things > like cystic fibrosis. Of course at my age I would probably know this > already. I got a fat gene, no surprise there either. > > I got more details on my mitochondrial DNA. I am 100% European, largely > northern. No Indians in the woodpile. They accurately predicted my ABO > blood type (And I learned my mum passed me an O gene: my dad is AB so he > gave me the B, and my mum, a B must have been BO...) and my eye color, the > kind of ear wax I got , and a number of other things. > > I got matches with a number of cousins who I emailed and now I'm waiting > to see how that works. I had hoped for more insight on alzheimers risks, > but apparently they are still working on that. It's complicated, they say. > My mother's line has a lot of it. AND I learned why my dad and his mother > have dry eyes and mouths: an autoimmune condition I got a gene for > too....and I know who to blame for it <grin>. This is probably not as > important as knowing my reactions to warfarin (average) and a few other > drugs they test for. that could be important, so I guess I'll print it out > and carry it with me. > > Yes, this will keep me occupied and out of trouble at least through the > summer --- and maybe get me some new Scotch Irish cousins as well. We live > in an astonishing time. > > Linda Merle > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, more records on line. Searching the index is free but you pay to view the details. Considering before you hired someone in Ireland to search these records for you at a greater cost, this is a good deal. Linda Merle ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Irish Family History Foundation" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:07:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Additional Donegal and Derry records added to the IFHF online database North East Donegal (Inishowen) records added to Online Record Search The Irish Family History Foundation is pleased to announce the availability of circa 60,000 baptism, marriage and death records from north east Co. Donegal covering the parishes of the Inishowen peninsula along with the parishes of Doneyloop, Killygordon, Lifford and St Johnston . Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login details. http://donegal.rootsireland.ie Derry Gravestone Inscriptions added to Online Record Search Derry Genealogy Centre has computerised 66,000 headstone inscriptions from 117 graveyards plus the pre-1930 registers of Derry City Cemetery. This database will normally return the name of the graveyard, date of death, name of deceased, age and townland together with a comment recording relationships, where provided, to other people recorded on the same headstone. These records can be accessed on the Derry site at derry.brsgenealogy.com Remember that you can purchase and spend your credit at any of the IFHF online centres. Please check out our interactive map of the Online Research Centres to see which county genealogy centres have data available online. If you have any questions please check our FAQ , the list of SOURCES available online for each county and the SAMPLES of the type of records available; if this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us. Please note that all queries will be answered in rotation. Yours sincerely Irish Family History Foundation www.RootsIreland.ie Irish Family History Foundation, Main St. Newbridge, Co. Kildare., Email: [email protected]

There are three kinds of camera. There are the security cameras, they are just about everywhere, the UK is a surveillance society. The vary from a very obvious TV Camera to a small black dome in shops. They are for security. You also get them as traffic cameras on major roads and motorways as a way of keeping an eye on traffic flow and the like Some of them are accessible on http://www.trafficwatchni.com/site/default.asp for NI (which is very good for drivers generally. Then there are the speed cameras. You will see road signs with a picture of a camera on them, thy are generally bluff. What you worry about are striped boxes on a gray poll about 10 ft high. On the road are a series of parallel lines. If you go past these cameras above the speed limit they will flash. Depending where you are and what speed you are going they will flash again. That means that they have taken two photos of you and they can tell the speed you are going by counting the number of lines which you have covered. They were old film technology and not all of them had film in them so you might get away with it, however they are seemingly now fitting electronic cameras in. Usually there is at least a 10% error allowed, and often 20% However the general rule in not to risk it If you see the locals slowing down there is one ahead. I don't know if they have arrived in Ulster, but there are also zone speeding cameras a very bad place or them is between Kilmarnock and about Ballantrae on the A77 the road you are on for the Irish Ferries. If you average speed between cameras is faster than the limit (and it is often 50 rather than the notional national 60) then you are booked. You lose 3 points on your licence for each speed infringement. 12 points and you are banned (though I don't know what the position is on foreigners. You have sometimes similar to catch people jumping red lights. Finally there are recognition cameras in vans. They are simply taking your number plate to check that your car is licensed and insured. They check with a date base, but are mostly harmless. Hope that this helps Edward Andrews > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sharzy16 > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > Hi Sarah, > How astute of him to sneakily get the replacement side mirror > and then tell you! lol. > As you say if it had been you he would still be casting it up!! > > There are a LOT more security cameras around now, both on the > motorways and main roads through towns. They are not always > on high poles though, some are tucked away and are like a yellow box. > If you happen to have a GPS it will beep like mad when > approaching one of these cameras to warn you to slow down.. > Not that I am advocating speeding in between cameras you > understand :-o > > The best solution is for us women to do the driving as we are > much safer drivers... :-> grin... > > All the best > Sharon > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > > A question for Sharon in Belfast > I just remembered that we found out that the M-1 and maybe > all the HWYs have > cameras on the tall light poles to record the > speeders.........they film you > and your lisc number and send you a ticket in the mail. > My husband was unnerved by this knowledge and was tryig to > get his seatbelt > on as he left the rental car lot and turned tooo short and > clipped off the > side mirror. on a bus.....LOL then didnt menton the > incident until we were > on down the road and saw a FORD dealer???? He says we have to > go in here??My > question why went unanswered. > Then he came out with a side mirror and told me.......I had > not noticed the > missing mirror.......NOW if I had done that.....we would > still be hearing of > my reckless driving. > Drive careful John they are watching you. > Sarah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > > >I agree Linda, the roundabouts are ridiculously common over > here..not to > > mention 'mini' roundabouts which you will find on side > roads at the end of > > many streets! > > Rule of thumb is always give way to traffic approaching > from the right on > > any roundabout and don't worry if there's honking of horns > behind you from > > impatient people. Take your time, gather your thoughts and > off you go...to > > the next one!! lol.. Better to be 10 minutes late in this life than > > 30years > > too early in the next! > > > > Hope you have a great time and as I said in a previous email if you > > require > > any help or information don't hesitate to contact me. > > > > All the best > > Sharon > > Belfast born and bred :-)) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > > > > > Regarding money, I just kept two 'piles', one in each > currency. You don't > > need a lot of cash. Plastic works and unless you are in a > rural area, > > there > > are ATMs. > > > > The advice about roundabouts was very good. I had forgotten > about these. > > We > > have them in New England, but not in Pennsylvania, where I > was raised. > > Neither I nor my husband knew what they were till one day we were > > barrelling > > up Route 2, exploring New England, when we saw the sign. > "What's that?" he > > asked. "I don't know," said I. Round and round we went and ended up > > heading > > back up the way we came. > > > > They are more confusing in Ireland since you are on the > wrong side and > > going > > the wrong way. > > > > Why are we trying to make cellphoning while driving illegal and not > > roundabouts??? > > > > Linda Merle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release > Date: 05/06/10 > > 07:26:00 > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 2773 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2858 - Release > Date: 05/06/10 > 19:26:00 > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2792 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sarah, How astute of him to sneakily get the replacement side mirror and then tell you! lol. As you say if it had been you he would still be casting it up!! There are a LOT more security cameras around now, both on the motorways and main roads through towns. They are not always on high poles though, some are tucked away and are like a yellow box. If you happen to have a GPS it will beep like mad when approaching one of these cameras to warn you to slow down.. Not that I am advocating speeding in between cameras you understand :-o The best solution is for us women to do the driving as we are much safer drivers... :-> grin... All the best Sharon ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip A question for Sharon in Belfast I just remembered that we found out that the M-1 and maybe all the HWYs have cameras on the tall light poles to record the speeders.........they film you and your lisc number and send you a ticket in the mail. My husband was unnerved by this knowledge and was tryig to get his seatbelt on as he left the rental car lot and turned tooo short and clipped off the side mirror. on a bus.....LOL then didnt menton the incident until we were on down the road and saw a FORD dealer???? He says we have to go in here??My question why went unanswered. Then he came out with a side mirror and told me.......I had not noticed the missing mirror.......NOW if I had done that.....we would still be hearing of my reckless driving. Drive careful John they are watching you. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip >I agree Linda, the roundabouts are ridiculously common over here..not to > mention 'mini' roundabouts which you will find on side roads at the end of > many streets! > Rule of thumb is always give way to traffic approaching from the right on > any roundabout and don't worry if there's honking of horns behind you from > impatient people. Take your time, gather your thoughts and off you go...to > the next one!! lol.. Better to be 10 minutes late in this life than > 30years > too early in the next! > > Hope you have a great time and as I said in a previous email if you > require > any help or information don't hesitate to contact me. > > All the best > Sharon > Belfast born and bred :-)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > > Regarding money, I just kept two 'piles', one in each currency. You don't > need a lot of cash. Plastic works and unless you are in a rural area, > there > are ATMs. > > The advice about roundabouts was very good. I had forgotten about these. > We > have them in New England, but not in Pennsylvania, where I was raised. > Neither I nor my husband knew what they were till one day we were > barrelling > up Route 2, exploring New England, when we saw the sign. "What's that?" he > asked. "I don't know," said I. Round and round we went and ended up > heading > back up the way we came. > > They are more confusing in Ireland since you are on the wrong side and > going > the wrong way. > > Why are we trying to make cellphoning while driving illegal and not > roundabouts??? > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release Date: 05/06/10 > 07:26:00 > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2773 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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In Ulster the roads are generally good. It is only in Scotland (mainly in the Highlands) that you get a lot of single track roads. Until the last couple of years the A road to Mallaig from Fort William was single track for about 20 miles. At the Weekend I was on the Ardmaurchan Peninsula where the roads are all single track. If you are going to drive in the UK it is as well to have read the Highway Code http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/travelandtransport/highwaycode/index.htm Enjoy Edward Andrews > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5,Issue > 140--Traveling in Ireland > > But in England at least the drivers are more polite. > > I ran into a couple strange things (to me) while driving in > England...one was the Box Junction "Do not enter until your > exit is clear." I'd never seen this before but it is sort of > like a 4 way stop sign in that everyone stops at the > intersection and no one enters until the intersection is > clear and they can get through it. > > The other weird thing I saw was in Scotland on a B road (at > the time I was there -- don't know if it has changed since or > not). The B roads are the smallest and usually in rural areas > and don't get much traffic. the road was a SINGLE lane and I > don't mean one lane going in each direction--I mean literally > ONE lane and every half mile or so there was an area where > you could pull over so any oncoming vehicle could pass by. > > I also saw on that same B road a sign that said FORD AHEAD. > This was literally a place where you had to ford a small > stream--there was no bridge. > > It was lovely and quaint...great experience and I lived to > tell about it. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 5/7/2010 9:35:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, [email protected] writes: > > Those on heavily trafficked roads, in > England or Jersey, are scary. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 5/7/2010 12:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I saw was in Scotland on a B road (at the time I was > there -- don't know if it has changed since or not). The B roads are the > smallest and usually in rural areas and don't get much traffic. the road > was > a SINGLE lane and I don't mean one lane going in each direction--I mean > literally ONE lane and every half mile or so there was an area where you > could > pull over so any oncoming vehicle could pass by. > Not just in Scotland but in England also. I have not run into any in Ireland but probably just because I haven't been to the right places. Yes-I have had to back up to let someone pass. You are right though. They are "most civilized about it"<grin> Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL

I am also very jealous. Just talked to my Keean family from Scotland, going on the ferry to Ireland. If you run in to any Keenan's tell them I say hello from Iowa. Sharon Stewart New Liberty Iowa

That is exactly where the single lane B road was located. I was driving north to Inverness. Joan In a message dated 5/7/2010 12:47:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In Ulster the roads are generally good. It is only in Scotland (mainly in the Highlands) that you get a lot of single track roads.

It's not the traffic circles, it's the drivers. Woody Stephens -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:17 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 140--Traveling in Ireland > No one who complains about "roundabouts" has ever driven in New Jersey > with > our circles. I must say the Irish and English are much more polite and > always give the right of way to the person already IN the > roundabout--unlike > Jersey where we just barge on in. That took some getting used to and I > got > honked at a couple times before I caught on that they actually followed a > code of courtesy over there. :) > > Joan > PS: Jersey phased out of is phasing out most of our really "white knuckle" > circles these days but Jersey drivers are pros when it comes to navigating > circles and figuring out which drivers are going to yield the right of way > and which ones are not. > > > In a message dated 5/7/2010 8:51:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Come on folks--Roundabouts are better than intersections. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A question for Sharon in Belfast I just remembered that we found out that the M-1 and maybe all the HWYs have cameras on the tall light poles to record the speeders.........they film you and your lisc number and send you a ticket in the mail. My husband was unnerved by this knowledge and was tryig to get his seatbelt on as he left the rental car lot and turned tooo short and clipped off the side mirror. on a bus.....LOL then didnt menton the incident until we were on down the road and saw a FORD dealer???? He says we have to go in here??My question why went unanswered. Then he came out with a side mirror and told me.......I had not noticed the missing mirror.......NOW if I had done that.....we would still be hearing of my reckless driving. Drive careful John they are watching you. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharzy16" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip >I agree Linda, the roundabouts are ridiculously common over here..not to > mention 'mini' roundabouts which you will find on side roads at the end of > many streets! > Rule of thumb is always give way to traffic approaching from the right on > any roundabout and don't worry if there's honking of horns behind you from > impatient people. Take your time, gather your thoughts and off you go...to > the next one!! lol.. Better to be 10 minutes late in this life than > 30years > too early in the next! > > Hope you have a great time and as I said in a previous email if you > require > any help or information don't hesitate to contact me. > > All the best > Sharon > Belfast born and bred :-)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip > > > Regarding money, I just kept two 'piles', one in each currency. You don't > need a lot of cash. Plastic works and unless you are in a rural area, > there > are ATMs. > > The advice about roundabouts was very good. I had forgotten about these. > We > have them in New England, but not in Pennsylvania, where I was raised. > Neither I nor my husband knew what they were till one day we were > barrelling > up Route 2, exploring New England, when we saw the sign. "What's that?" he > asked. "I don't know," said I. Round and round we went and ended up > heading > back up the way we came. > > They are more confusing in Ireland since you are on the wrong side and > going > the wrong way. > > Why are we trying to make cellphoning while driving illegal and not > roundabouts??? > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release Date: 05/06/10 > 07:26:00 > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2773 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

But in England at least the drivers are more polite. I ran into a couple strange things (to me) while driving in England...one was the Box Junction "Do not enter until your exit is clear." I'd never seen this before but it is sort of like a 4 way stop sign in that everyone stops at the intersection and no one enters until the intersection is clear and they can get through it. The other weird thing I saw was in Scotland on a B road (at the time I was there -- don't know if it has changed since or not). The B roads are the smallest and usually in rural areas and don't get much traffic. the road was a SINGLE lane and I don't mean one lane going in each direction--I mean literally ONE lane and every half mile or so there was an area where you could pull over so any oncoming vehicle could pass by. I also saw on that same B road a sign that said FORD AHEAD. This was literally a place where you had to ford a small stream--there was no bridge. It was lovely and quaint...great experience and I lived to tell about it. Joan In a message dated 5/7/2010 9:35:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Those on heavily trafficked roads, in England or Jersey, are scary.

I agree Linda, the roundabouts are ridiculously common over here..not to mention 'mini' roundabouts which you will find on side roads at the end of many streets! Rule of thumb is always give way to traffic approaching from the right on any roundabout and don't worry if there's honking of horns behind you from impatient people. Take your time, gather your thoughts and off you go...to the next one!! lol.. Better to be 10 minutes late in this life than 30years too early in the next! Hope you have a great time and as I said in a previous email if you require any help or information don't hesitate to contact me. All the best Sharon Belfast born and bred :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] John's Irish Trip Regarding money, I just kept two 'piles', one in each currency. You don't need a lot of cash. Plastic works and unless you are in a rural area, there are ATMs. The advice about roundabouts was very good. I had forgotten about these. We have them in New England, but not in Pennsylvania, where I was raised. Neither I nor my husband knew what they were till one day we were barrelling up Route 2, exploring New England, when we saw the sign. "What's that?" he asked. "I don't know," said I. Round and round we went and ended up heading back up the way we came. They are more confusing in Ireland since you are on the wrong side and going the wrong way. Why are we trying to make cellphoning while driving illegal and not roundabouts??? Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release Date: 05/06/10 07:26:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2773 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

The weather is quite pleasant in Belfast at the moment... Sun is shining, light winds but no sign of rain - hurrah!! lol I would advise bringing a coat or a couple of heavy jumpers as it is still a bit nippy this time of the year. If you want up to date weather forecasts don't hesitate to email me.. Cheers Sharon the Belfast/Norn Iron (Belfast speak for Northern Ireland) weather watcher.. :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:02 PM Subject: [S-I] John's Irish Trip Forgot to mention the weather. Tonight the temp is 48 degrees. I would advise you to check the weather before you go, but bring warm clothes cause it can still be quite cold in May - we have had snow in June in Manchester so beware. A good weather site to check is www.metcheck.com Also a good site is www.bbc.co.uk Also Northern Ireland is now on British Summer Time which is +1 GMT. As far as money goes, NI uses pounds (sterling) and Ireland uses Euros. Petrol prices are outrageous compared to USA prices - a couple of weeks ago we set a record at £1.20 per liter!! This article is from 2 years ago but you will understand http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2007-04-19-world-gas_N.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release Date: 05/06/10 07:26:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2773 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

No one who complains about "roundabouts" has ever driven in New Jersey with our circles. I must say the Irish and English are much more polite and always give the right of way to the person already IN the roundabout--unlike Jersey where we just barge on in. That took some getting used to and I got honked at a couple times before I caught on that they actually followed a code of courtesy over there. :) Joan PS: Jersey phased out of is phasing out most of our really "white knuckle" circles these days but Jersey drivers are pros when it comes to navigating circles and figuring out which drivers are going to yield the right of way and which ones are not. In a message dated 5/7/2010 8:51:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Come on folks--Roundabouts are better than intersections.

In a message dated 5/7/2010 3:25:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > The advice about roundabouts was very good. I had forgotten about these. > We have them in New England, but not in Pennsylvania, where I was raised. > Neither I nor my husband knew what they were till one day we were barrelling > up Route 2, exploring New England, when we saw the sign. "What's that?" he > asked. "I don't know," said I. Round and round we went and ended up > heading back up the way we came. > > They are more confusing in Ireland since you are on the wrong side and > going the wrong way. > > Why are we trying to make cellphoning while driving illegal and not > roundabouts??? > > Linda Merle > > Come on folks--Roundabouts are better than intersections. I have been traveling on business to UK for over 30 years and it is a great place to drive--London excluded. If we are going to drive in a foreign country don't we read up on laws and expectations just like planning for a research trip? Sure did when I was in Spain and found out about the emergencey kits you are required to have in your car, three types of police etc. Just because we speak the same language, sort of, doesn't mean we do things the same way. I also suggest you get a good mapbook, yes I have a navigator and it is great but..., because it explains many of the "drive on left rules". Just remember like at home keep the driver in the center of the road. The rest follows naturally. Douglas Burnett Who can't give blood in the US because he spent to much time in UK.