What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what district was the land in? Where in Ireland was your POI? I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they would then sell off. Judy wrote: At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >I am trying to prove all of this. -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon

Hi folks, Chelsea Pensioner records are records of UK soldier pensioned out after service. In Ireland many Irish were serviced through Kilmainham. Records for both have long been microfilmed and in LDS. They were not easy to use due to poor and non-existent indexing. They were the subject of advanced lectures at genealogy conferences and due to the difficulty of access, few of us ever used them. However that is changing. Findmypast is indexing the Chelsea pensioner records. I know a project is underway elsewhere to do Kilmainham. See here for search strategy: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bifhsusa/resgeneral.html You may say that your direct line didn't serve, but brothers and cousins DID, and from their records you can learn more about your family, such as the names of the parents and where they were born. So I'm sending on a text only version of the newsletter. If it seems confusing, visit the site. The WO designation is 'War Office' (Unless they changed that too on me <grin>) -- a division of the British archives at Kew Garden (unless they moved it on me). The early stuff is often NOT in the WO archives but scattered through state papers...but that's another email.... Linda Merle ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "findmypast.co.uk" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:44:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: 100,000 more Chelsea Pensioner records plus competition findmypast.co.uk May newsletter Welcome to May's newsletter. This month we've added 97,515 new Chelsea Pensioner records and the Royal Marine Medal Roll 1914-1920 to the site - read more details below. You can also read about our amazing discovery of suffragette Emily Davison hiding in Parliament's crypt in the 1911 census , as well as information about online heritage publication Discover My Past , our new partnership with the British Library , this month's Ask the Expert , your experiences and May's Chelsea Pensioner-themed competition . Chelsea Pensioner British Army Service Records Nearly 100,000 new Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1873–1882 now on the site You can now search 97,515 records of men who were pensioned out of the British Army between 1873 and 1882 at findmypast.co.uk. We're working in association with The National Archives on this ongoing project. Here is a breakdown of the records you can find on the site and which are still to come: Date range Approx no. of records Approx no. of images When available WO97 1873-1882 97,515 540,423 Now WO97 1883-1900 312,909 2,218,606 Now WO97 1855-1872 65,000 400,000 By June 2010 WO97 1760-1854 184,000 1.2 million By July 2010 WO97 1901-1913 303,000 2.1 million By August 2010 WO96 1806-1915 500,000 3.5 million By Sept 2011 Many other military records provide information about officer-class soldiers; however, these records relate to other ranks. This makes it more likely that you will be able to find details about your ancestors. The connection with 'Chelsea Pensioners' is that the pensions were administered through The Royal Hospital at Chelsea. The great majority of pensioned soldiers were out-pensioners and did not reside at the Hospital itself. Remember that these records are free to search , like all the records on findmypast.co.uk. Even if you don't think you have a Chelsea Pensioner ancestor, give searching the records a go - your ancestor may have only served in the army for a short time before they were pensioned out. Read more information about these records on our knowledge base page . Chelsea Pensioner success stories Many of you have let us know how the Chelsea Pensioner records have helped you find your ancestors. We're thrilled that these records have helped so many of you with your family trees. If you've never searched these records before, take a look at how they've helped these people with their family history research: >From Ken Hines in Lincolnshire : 'I write to say what a fantastic new resource is available in the Chelsea Pensioners records that have just been released. As part of one named study I have made a detailed study of 55 sets of these records. There is so much more than pure military history.' >From Brian Sarsfield in County Wexford, Ireland : 'I got your newsletter telling me that Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records were now available. Having sought for years, without success, a maternal g.g.father missing from the 1881 census, I had finally found a clue on a birth cert that said he was a soldier in 1877. That was over 8 years ago and I hadn't been able to find his service record. A friend even did a search at Kew for me without success. Until today! I used findmypast's new Chelsea Pensioners database and after a fruitless search with his real age, widened the age span and bingo! There he was, with all of 11 (!) pages of his life from 1876 to 1988.' >From Rosemary Shardlow in Paraparaumu, New Zealand : 'My father, born in London in 1900, was sent to the Duke of York's RM School at Dover when he was 11 years old, never to return home to live. At 17 he was transferred as a regular soldier into the Royal Artillery at Woolwich Arsenal. Several years later he transferred into the Royal Corps of Signals, serving in India among many other places, and was mentioned in despatches during his term in Italy. My father had known that his own father was in the Black Watch Regiment and was wounded at Magersfontein. What he must surely not have known is that his father, William Henry Inglis, first enlisted into the Royal Berkshire Regiment at the age of 18 but after two years and 74 days purchased his discharge. It was in 1890 that he re-enlisted into the Highland Light Infantry/Black Watch, also serving in India before becoming involved in the Boer War. This is such a valuable piece of family history to pass down to my descendants. Without the help of the new Chelsea Pensioners listing, we would never have known this. My thanks go to all those involved with this project at findmypast.' We'd love to hear more of your success stories for Chelsea Pensioners and our other records. Post your story on our Facebook page or email it to [email protected] . Start searching for your Chelsea Pensioner ancestors now. Look out for Chelsea Pensioners records for 1855-1872 coming soon to findmypast.co.uk. The Royal Marine Medal Roll 1914-1920 is now on findmypast.co.uk You can now find the complete World War I Campaign Medal Rolls for the Royal Marines on findmypast.co.uk. The database contains the names of over 75,000 Royal Marine Officers, NCOs and other ranks, and provides a complete listing of all Royal Marines who served in WW1. Added to the transcripts of these records are service details for a large number of men, particularly those killed in action or died of wounds during WW1 and in many cases post-war deaths and WW2 deaths are noted. The medals covered by the rolls are: the 1914 Star, the Clasp to the 1914 Star, the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. Our Royal Marine Medal Roll knowledge base page provides fascinating, detailed information about these records. Astonishing 1911 census find - Emily Davison in Parliament's crypt After months of searching we've finally found an astonishing historical document in the 1911 census . Emily Davison , the suffragette who was to die in 1913 after throwing herself in front of the King's horse at the Epsom derby, is famously said to have secreted herself in the House of Commons at the time of the 1911 census to have herself enumerated within Westminster. We have now uncovered the actual historical documents that prove this is the case and will perhaps throw some more light on this key moment in parliamentary history. The event is considered to be such a landmark event in British politics that a plaque was secretly installed in Parliament in honour of her rebellious act by Tony Benn, with the aid of Helena Kennedy QC and Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn. We had already found Emily Davison on the census listed at her boarding house, but had wanted for some time to discover how much truth there was in the parliament story. Thinking laterally, we realised that there was a possibility that she had been incorrectly recorded by the enumerator, and decided to try searching for her using the " variants " search on the findmypast.co.uk 1911 census search . This search not only looks at exact names searched for, but also looks for common variants of names. Sure enough, when we repeated the search with the surname variants search on and allowing a few more years flexibility than her actual age at the time of the census, she immediately appeared listed as Emily Wilding Davidson (note the extra D in her surname). Most astonishingly, her address was listed on the census transcript as "Found Hiding in Crypt of Westminster Hall Westminster". Emily Davison on the findmypast.co.uk 1911 census (Click on image to enlarge) Intrigued, we decided to look at the original documents. First of all, we looked at the RG14 Household page - this has been signed by the Clerk of Works at the House of Commons, a Mr Percy Ridge (for a bit of fun, you can also find him in the 1911 census , living in South London). 1911 census Household form filled in by the Clerk of Works (Click on image to enlarge) We can see that Ridge’s handwriting only records Emily’s name (spelt wrongly), age (3 or 4 years off her actual age) and marital status. Somebody else (likely to be the enumerator – the handwriting looks very similar) has filled in her occupation and place of birth. It is notable that both of these pieces of information are wrong too – Davison had given up full-time teaching in 1909 to concentrate on her work for the Women’s Social and Political Union and her birth was registered in Greenwich, not Northumberland (Davison’s mother, however, had been born in Morpeth, Northumberland). So now on to the back of the household form, to see where this extraordinary address from the transcription had come from. Address panel from the household form (Click on image to enlarge) Sure enough, Ridge has put her address as “found hiding in the crypt of Westminster Hall since Saturday” There’s also a note at the top which says “apply Cannon Row police station for more information”. So finally, a quick look at the Enumerator's Summary to see whether she succeeded in her aim of being enumerated at Westminster. The enumerator's summary listing Emily Davison as sole occupant of the crypt (Click on image to enlarge) Sure enough, she has been enumerated as the sole occupant of the Crypt in the "Houses of Parliament". A few interesting lessons for family historians in this discovery : 1. Think laterally when searching for names and dates of birth and allow for wide margins of error even if you think you have the exact information 2. Use the "variants" search on findmypast.co.uk - it really is a powerful piece of technology. If any of our readers can shed any further light on this astonishing find, we'd be delighted to hear from you. Visit our blog to comment on this amazing piece of history. British Library partnership to digitise up to 40 million pages of historic newspapers We're pleased to announce a new partnership with the British Library to digitise millions of newspaper pages. This is a 10 year agreement which will deliver the most significant mass digitisation of newspapers ever in the UK. Up to 40 million historic pages from the national newspaper collection will be digitised, making large parts of this incomparable resource available online for the first time. The partnership will help to safeguard the future of the world's greatest newspaper archive. The digitised material will include local, regional and national press across 350 years. It will focus on specific geographic areas, as well as periods such as the census years between 1841 and 1911 . Additional categories will be developed which look at key events and themes such as the Crimean War, the Boer War and the suffragette movement. We're really excited about this opportunity to preserve such important pieces of history. We will let you know further details of this project in due course. Ask the Expert Many thanks to all of you who sent us your questions. Stephen Rigden, findmypast's resident expertOur resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured right, is back on the case of trying to solve your family history mysteries. Unfortunately Steve only has time to answer a couple of your queries each month - if yours isn't featured this time then don't worry, it could appear in the next newsletter. Read on for May's selection: >From Ray Derricott : 'My late father-in-law was born on 5 August 1907 in Islington. His mother was a domestic servant serving in a house in Islington. The father is not named on the birth certificate. His mother Florence Grace Edwin does not appear on the 1911 census and neither does my father-in law, Reginald Frederick Edwin. I have tried to find out about his early life but to no avail. I know he sailed to Canada in 1929 and returned in 1931. I have his TA military record and his marriage and death certificates. But what happened to him between 1907 and 1929? I would appreciate your help.' Read Steve's answer on our blog . >From Graham Nowell in Abingdon, Oxfordshire : 'I have some items that belonged to an ancestor who was a Customs and Excise Officer in the South West of England sometime in the 1800s. I know nothing about him except his and my surname, Nowell, not a very common name. Are there any records available for searching that might give me more clues?' Read Steve's answer on our blog . Think you can baffle our expert? Email your family history questions to [email protected] with ‘Ask the Expert’ in the subject line and yours could be featured in our next newsletter. Your experiences In our previous newsletters we asked you to send us your experiences of researching your family tree. As usual we've received some fascinating stories so thanks to all of you who sent them in. We've selected the following two stories to publish this month - visit our blog to read the full versions. Trevor Bailey in South Australia: 'My 84 year old mother had long suspected that her father (who was accidentally killed in 1934 when she was still a child) had a previous marriage with children, but it was never talked about by her own mother. As an only child, my mother longed to know if she had any half brothers or sisters. As my grandfather had a rather common name, and lived in London, checking for any previous marriages on the General Register Office registers produced too many possibilities to easily investigate...' Read the rest of Trevor's story on our blog . Vivienne Whiddett-Hare: 'I was evacuated from Battersea, London to South Derbyshire in 1944 aged 6 weeks. My mother, who I found to be unmarried with a lot of children, (I have found 10 but my sister, who I met before she died, told me there were 14) asked the couple who I was placed with in south Derbyshire to adopt me, which they did...' Read the rest of Vivienne's story on our blog . We love reading your experiences so keep sending them to us. Post your story on our Facebook page or email it to [email protected] . If you'd like to comment on either of these experiences you can do so by visiting our blog . Great-great grandparents winners Once you register with findmypast.co.uk we send you a series of emails to help with your research. One of them involves finding your great-great grandparents and we are happy to announce this round of winners. The following people have been awarded a 12 month Full subscription: February 2010 - Phil Roberts March 2010 - Rosamond Chamberlain April 2010 - Janet Taylor Congratulations to all of you and thanks to everybody for entering. Keep emailing us your great-great grandparents and the next winner could be you. This is a quarterly competition so the next round of winners will be announced in August. Discover My Past England Discover Discover My Past England May issueMy Past England is a monthly online magazine dedicated to England's heritage and English family history. Each issue provides an insight into the way our ancestors used to live plus advice on how to trace them. The May issue includes features on Victorians and Edwardians at work, tracing your postal worker ancestors and you can read an exclusive interview with findmypast's marketing manager, Debra Chatfield. To see a preview or to buy a subscription please visit Discover My Past's website . Competition – win a military history book This month's competition has a military theme to celebrate the release of our latest batch of Chelsea Pensioner records. My Ancestor Was In The British ArmyWe would like you to answer the following question: How many William Shakespeares do we have in our Chelsea Pensioners records collection? Search our Chelsea Pensioner records to find out the answer - remember these records are free to search, like all the records on our site. To be in with a chance of winning, send your answers to [email protected] with 'May competition' in the subject line. The winner will receive a copy of My Ancestor Was In The British Army by Michael J Watts and Christopher T Watts. This book is a practical guide for anyone who would like to research their ancestors who served in the British Army since 1660. Good luck! Thanks to all of you who entered April's competition . The winner is Barbara Renshaw from Haslemere, Surrey who correctly answered that Florence Nightingale's address and occupation as stated on the 1901 census were: 10, South Street, St George Hanover Square, London, Living on own means. Congratulations Barbara and we hope you enjoy your prize, a 6 month subscription to Your Family History magazine. We hope you enjoyed this month's newsletter. The findmypast.co.uk team Recently added records We have recently added many new parish records, including Wiltshire, Manchester and Dorset records, Lincolnshire parish records, East End London baptisms and burials, London and Kent probate records, Middlesex baptisms and burials and the extension of records for the Halifax District. Try searching them now!

Hi Karen, it's like everything else. The best choice is determined by your needs. So what are you trying to find? If you are working on the paternal paternal line, Y testing. Traditionally the largest firm (you need other people to match on ) is family tree dna (www.familytreedna.com). If the mother's line , they do that too. If you want medical information, www.23andme.com has a great package. I got it and it is good. You can combine it with their autosomal DNA -- that's what is confusing us now. it tests ALL y our DNA strands. It'll give you also your mitochondrial DNA (mother's lin) and if you are male and/or have a Y chromosome, that, if you purchase both types of tests. So maybe that's the cheapest way to go if you want it 'all' 'now'. FTDNA now offers autosomal testing but we're trying to figure that out too. Avoid the autosomal unless you like being confused or are rich untill you're ready for the deep end of the pool. If you want to get your toes wet with it, I'd go with Y chromosome testing. Most people are interested in the paternal line. Because you have the surname, it's a little easier to use and understand. Plus we've been doing it longer and people have figured out how to use it effectively. FamilyTreeDNA has a network of projects with administrators set up. ID your father's surname, track down a male descendent -- a brother or uncle -- and get him tested. I did that and so far got no matches so far, but I haven't done anything but 'fish' (stick pole in pond and wait). With one client, we actively searched for a man to test who descended from people with the surname in specific areas of Ulster. He matched the second guy perfectlly. Another client had his DNA tested but didn't know how to 'work the ropes'. Ie he hadn't joined the right DNA project -- www.ulsterheritage.com. Free! When he did join at my instigation the admin immediately realized he was a royal O'Neill -- a missing Mc! Shane. Interestingly the Royal O'Neills are a similar haplo to my dad but we aren't one. The Royals are not related to the rest of Niall's descendents due to a NPE, maybe in the 900's...but then they don't update me with new info any more than I get word of when they reshuffle the genome changing Thomas Jefferson's haplotype! So....but it seems a long time ago, before the Blacksmith's Son event in the late 1500s. (Wife of blacksmith claimed the O'Neill fathered her son and he acknowledged the kid who later became the head of the O'Neills). To keep it simple, "try the Y" (my new Tshirt......). Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:42:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Anyone had success with the autosomal DNA thang? ..... and, in general, which group is best to use? Is there a website for them? Looking for Co. Armagh and maybe Co. Cavan ancestors -- but mostly wondering how they got there. Karen Hart Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: [S-I] Anyone had success with the autosomal DNA thang? > Hi folks, me again, and depressed......I get emails from these potential > cousins with slugs of matching DNA (no doubt all inserted in the same > petri dish on the mother ship). However when we try to compare surnames, > ...he says he has a White [changed to reduce incoming hate email] in > Scotland before 1700...oh, well, that really helps now, don't it? Of > course I got all the usual Scottish surnames too, useless as they are. > Mine married a Thompson....What, no Smiths available? So this isn't > getting me anywhere fast. > > Plus we're all 'stuck' in VA circa 1700 and Kentucky, circa 1800. Well, I > know he's Scotch Irish, that's fer sure. > > So has anyone had any success with the autosomal DNA testing (not Y or > mtchondrial). > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan, Thanks for the 'heads up'. It is good to know it does sometimes work. I would think the adoptees might do better to stick with Y or mitochondrial -- otherwise it seems a lot like 'needle in a haystack'. You can't tell if the matching segs are from the lost parents or some much further on back relative. You could be hoping to find dad in Kentucky and you are looking at relatives back in Scotland..... >My biggest problem with matching based upon autosomal DNA is that most of >the people tested up to the present with 23andme don't know as much about >their lineage through traditional research as I do. Yep, this I noticed too......AND some of these people think it is all about vacuuming up trees from Ancestry and trying to get the biggest number of people "I got 10,000 people in my tree!" Oh, wow, but 99,980 of them ain't related to you at all due to a mistake you haven't found yet. >One really great aspect of finding cousins (at least for me being female) >is that I've obtained the Y Haplogroup of some of my male ancestors by >finding cousins who are straight male descendants of those lines. This is really important information for those whose lines 'daughtered out'. >I suspect that now that 23andme has split the testing into genealogical and > medical that more genealogists with a better paper trail will be tested >there and those results will be easier to trace. The two 'offerings' seem very different. I suspect for genealogy the Family Tree DNA stuff will be more feature rich simply because that is their focus. I have one member of the FTDNA group that I admin who is awaiting test results so we shall soon see what it is like. Apparently everyone is finding it very confusing. The DNA genealogy list is full of people trying to sort out how to do this -- and these are the experts. FTDNA sent admins a free tshirt to those who recruited someone to pay for a pre-release (beta) autosomnal test. Mine came. It's unwearable... I threw it on fast and ran out to tai chi class. There I was in a tshirt ---the front and back said "SEX doesn't matter any more www.family tree DNA." SEX was about 6 inches high. Everyone was looking at me. They really laughed hard when I explained. I had to cancel my shopping...... I will wash it and send it to the Goodwill....Unless someone here wants it <grin>. So it's best to carefully inspect free tshirts carefully. It's not like the one they give you at work. I could not imagine walking into a Kmart into it <grin>. Lin da Merle

Hi folks, me again, and depressed......I get emails from these potential cousins with slugs of matching DNA (no doubt all inserted in the same petri dish on the mother ship). However when we try to compare surnames, ...he says he has a White [changed to reduce incoming hate email] in Scotland before 1700...oh, well, that really helps now, don't it? Of course I got all the usual Scottish surnames too, useless as they are. Mine married a Thompson....What, no Smiths available? So this isn't getting me anywhere fast. Plus we're all 'stuck' in VA circa 1700 and Kentucky, circa 1800. Well, I know he's Scotch Irish, that's fer sure. So has anyone had any success with the autosomal DNA testing (not Y or mtchondrial). Linda Merle

..... and, in general, which group is best to use? Is there a website for them? Looking for Co. Armagh and maybe Co. Cavan ancestors -- but mostly wondering how they got there. Karen Hart Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: [S-I] Anyone had success with the autosomal DNA thang? > Hi folks, me again, and depressed......I get emails from these potential > cousins with slugs of matching DNA (no doubt all inserted in the same > petri dish on the mother ship). However when we try to compare surnames, > ...he says he has a White [changed to reduce incoming hate email] in > Scotland before 1700...oh, well, that really helps now, don't it? Of > course I got all the usual Scottish surnames too, useless as they are. > Mine married a Thompson....What, no Smiths available? So this isn't > getting me anywhere fast. > > Plus we're all 'stuck' in VA circa 1700 and Kentucky, circa 1800. Well, I > know he's Scotch Irish, that's fer sure. > > So has anyone had any success with the autosomal DNA testing (not Y or > mtchondrial). > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I've had matching autosomal segments with cousins I knew were my cousins prior to either of us being tested and had one really great match with a previously not known to me cousin via our X chromosomes (his mother's father's line and my father's mother's line--a line we'd NEVER have match with traditional mtDNA or Y-DNA testing. I've also run into a couple of adoptees trying to match to learn about their biological roots--but, of course, they have no paper trail to compare. When we find matching segments in autosomal DNA we KNOW there is a relationship but it can be hundreds or years in the past when neither of us has a paper trail to prove exactly WHO the matching ancestor might be. One adoptee knew (or thought he did) that his biological heritage was Swedish and my only Swedes came to America in the mid 1600s but I DO have Swedish ancestry. Since we only had 1 small segment that match it may help this person to know that his hint of Swedish ancestry is accurate--because our matching strip COULD be 300 years in the past. My biggest problem with matching based upon autosomal DNA is that most of the people tested up to the present with 23andme don't know as much about their lineage through traditional research as I do. One really great aspect of finding cousins (at least for me being female) is that I've obtained the Y Haplogroup of some of my male ancestors by finding cousins who are straight male descendants of those lines. I suspect that now that 23andme has split the testing into genealogical and medical that more genealogists with a better paper trail will be tested there and those results will be easier to trace. Joan In a message dated 5/27/2010 3:23:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi folks, me again, and depressed......I get emails from these potential cousins with slugs of matching DNA (no doubt all inserted in the same petri dish on the mother ship). However when we try to compare surnames, ...he says he has a White [changed to reduce incoming hate email] in Scotland before 1700...oh, well, that really helps now, don't it? Of course I got all the usual Scottish surnames too, useless as they are. Mine married a Thompson....What, no Smiths available? So this isn't getting me anywhere fast. Plus we're all 'stuck' in VA circa 1700 and Kentucky, circa 1800. Well, I know he's Scotch Irish, that's fer sure. So has anyone had any success with the autosomal DNA testing (not Y or mtchondrial). Linda Merle

Well Virginia you can't say you haven't tried. But...maybe I can help you out..maybe? I have been on the YORK e-list a long time and through it met a Bruce Edward YORK....who has a published history of the YORKS and is very well done.... I have a copy. Maybe that would be of help to you. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Beck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA >I dearly wish I had such a file, but I've reached a brick wall on my > mother's lines on both sides, and the York line is a total mystery. I was > told her name, birth date, and that she married my grandfather in England. > She was my mother's maternal grandmother, Hester York, b. 14 Aug 1826, who > married a Norwegian farmer, William Johnson, b. 1827. Their daughter > Hester > married my maternal grandfather, Julius Otto, on Dec 5, 1881 in > Pittsville, > Wood County, Wisconsin. In 1902, when my mother was eight, these > grandparents moved with their nine girls from Wisconsin to Washington > state. > By 1920 when I was born all of the grand- & great-grand-parents had died, > so > I never knew any of them. My mother said they had never had any family > records, memorabilia, or photos other than their parents wedding picture > and > those of the girls themselves. My mom's older sisters gave us the meagre > information they had written down or could remember, but some of that has > proven to be inaccurate. > > I did intensive research on these surnames in Nekoosa WI and the > surrounding > area, but found almost nothing. One librarian nearly rolled on the floor > when I told him I was looking for information about my Grandfather William > Johnson. (As the old comic song goes, "My name is Yon Yonson, I come from > Visconsin, I vork in a lumber mill there") . . . Well, my grandpa was > William, not John, and (if my mother's sisters were right on this) he was > Norwegian instead of Swedish, but you get the idea. Genealogy sites have > yielded little, though I did learn from a census record that William was > born in New York, not Norway as we had been told, and a cousin I contacted > through a Rootsweb surname list told me correctly that he died May 10, > 1864 > in the Civil War Battle of Laurel Hill near, and just prior to the Battle > of > Spotsylvania Courthouse, Virginia. I sent for his service file, which > confirmed his NY birth & revealed that he and Hester were really married > in > Wisconsin, and gave the place and date. I also learned that it took Hester > nearly 3 years get approval for the widow's pension due to her and their > five children. Their marriage record was lost in a courthouse fire, so she > had to get sworn affidavits from friends and relatives to prove that: a) > she > was William's wife and b) the children were his. Then, in a supreme ironic > twist, two years later her record was somehow linked with a different > William Johnson who had served in the same company as her husband but > survived. Her hard-won pension was suspended until she could prove that > THAT > William was not her husband! It took letters from a number of her > husband's > and the other William's superior officers plus another two years to > straighten that one out. All these affidavits are in the file. Losing her > husband must have been a terrible blow, then the added struggle to get a > pension and the mixup that followed must have made the whole thing seem > like > a never-ending nightmare. I have no idea how she provided for her children > during those bleak years. > > Well, I've told you all there is to know about my York, but absolutely > nothing about yours. > > So sorry I couldn't be of help. > Virginia > > > -----Original ,Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA > > Wow Virginia, You have quite a history..... > One name interest me as my husbands mother was YORK.........have not found > where in England they came from.....Were with other families in the > Eastern > USA. Do you have the linege in a file that you can look up names??? > let me hear if you do. TThanks, > Sarah > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I dearly wish I had such a file, but I've reached a brick wall on my mother's lines on both sides, and the York line is a total mystery. I was told her name, birth date, and that she married my grandfather in England. She was my mother's maternal grandmother, Hester York, b. 14 Aug 1826, who married a Norwegian farmer, William Johnson, b. 1827. Their daughter Hester married my maternal grandfather, Julius Otto, on Dec 5, 1881 in Pittsville, Wood County, Wisconsin. In 1902, when my mother was eight, these grandparents moved with their nine girls from Wisconsin to Washington state. By 1920 when I was born all of the grand- & great-grand-parents had died, so I never knew any of them. My mother said they had never had any family records, memorabilia, or photos other than their parents wedding picture and those of the girls themselves. My mom's older sisters gave us the meagre information they had written down or could remember, but some of that has proven to be inaccurate. I did intensive research on these surnames in Nekoosa WI and the surrounding area, but found almost nothing. One librarian nearly rolled on the floor when I told him I was looking for information about my Grandfather William Johnson. (As the old comic song goes, "My name is Yon Yonson, I come from Visconsin, I vork in a lumber mill there") . . . Well, my grandpa was William, not John, and (if my mother's sisters were right on this) he was Norwegian instead of Swedish, but you get the idea. Genealogy sites have yielded little, though I did learn from a census record that William was born in New York, not Norway as we had been told, and a cousin I contacted through a Rootsweb surname list told me correctly that he died May 10, 1864 in the Civil War Battle of Laurel Hill near, and just prior to the Battle of Spotsylvania Courthouse, Virginia. I sent for his service file, which confirmed his NY birth & revealed that he and Hester were really married in Wisconsin, and gave the place and date. I also learned that it took Hester nearly 3 years get approval for the widow's pension due to her and their five children. Their marriage record was lost in a courthouse fire, so she had to get sworn affidavits from friends and relatives to prove that: a) she was William's wife and b) the children were his. Then, in a supreme ironic twist, two years later her record was somehow linked with a different William Johnson who had served in the same company as her husband but survived. Her hard-won pension was suspended until she could prove that THAT William was not her husband! It took letters from a number of her husband's and the other William's superior officers plus another two years to straighten that one out. All these affidavits are in the file. Losing her husband must have been a terrible blow, then the added struggle to get a pension and the mixup that followed must have made the whole thing seem like a never-ending nightmare. I have no idea how she provided for her children during those bleak years. Well, I've told you all there is to know about my York, but absolutely nothing about yours. So sorry I couldn't be of help. Virginia -----Original ,Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Wow Virginia, You have quite a history..... One name interest me as my husbands mother was YORK.........have not found where in England they came from.....Were with other families in the Eastern USA. Do you have the linege in a file that you can look up names??? let me hear if you do. TThanks, Sarah

Wow Virginia, You have quite a history..... One name interest me as my husbands mother was YORK.........have not found where in England they came from.....Were with other families in the Eastern USA. Do you have the linege in a file that you can look up names??? let me hear if you do. TThanks, Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Beck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA >I wish these tests had been around a little earlier when there was still > someone in my parent's generation to test, and someone in my generation > other than myself. > > My daughter has Crohn's. It affected her lower intestine, which had to be > removed over ten years ago. She is one of the lucky few to have been a > good > candidate for a Koch pouch, not usually possible for Crohn's patients. No > one on either side of our family in any known generation has had this > auto-immune disease. My husband died of multiple myeloma, which hasn't so > far been identified as either autoimmune or hereditary. > > My dad's mother was SI (Warnock) with a dollop of English (Milner); his > father was English (Wilmoth, Sargent) with a smidgen of Dutch (Walraven). > My > dad had a congenital heart defect, and his doctor, way back in 1902 when > he > was 20, gave him about 10 years to live and recommended a low-fat diet. > Dad > was a chef and prepared nearly all of our meals, so we were on his low-fat > regimen for years before that idea was widely accepted. He died of a heart > attack at 80. My mom, active and healthy all her life, died of a massive > cerebral hemorrhage at 79. Her mother was Norwegian (Johnson) & English > (York); her dad was German (Otto & Rowe). Both my parents were mentally > sharp until their deaths. > > On my husband's side, his dad was German (Beck), English (Neil) & > French-speaking Swiss (Kaufman); his mom was Scot (Stevenson) & English > (Haskit). They each died after a series of strokes (due, perhaps, to their > high-fat diet) at ages 73 and 75. "Pop" developed senile dementia about 8 > years before his death. "Mom" remained mentally alert all her life. > > I did fairly well in the gene pool. At 90, my main problem is > osteo-arthritis. I had knee replacements ten years ago, which helped a > lot, > but spinal involvement limits my ability to walk any distance and my sense > of balance is a bit unreliable. On a trip to Greece & Crete a couple of > years ago I used a three-wheel walker for sightseeing and, with a little > help, managed the climb at the Parthenon and Delphi. A couple of years ago > my kidney function started to sag off, requiring a low phosphorus diet, > and > last year I had a fleeting TIA episode, which prompted my doctor to put me > on daily baby aspirin, cholesterol & blood pressure meds. I still garden, > cook and have a busy social agenda with family & friends. I'm looking > forward in June & July to a month in the high Sierras with my daughter & > son-in-law. We'll be "camping" in an RV, so that's not exactly roughing > it. > And although I can no longer wade the creeks with a fly-rod or sit for > long > in a boat, I can still cast a line for trout from the banks of those > beautiful lakes. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:03 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA > > Hi Mary, > > I will let the list know. I think the announcement came on the ISOGG > list.... There's a number of Crohn's genes -- see the pages at > www.23andme.com ....I just learned this myself today! Maybe even more > involved...they seem to update dynamically, so I had new stuff posted even > today. > > Linda Merle > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Virginia, It sounds like you are living life in a way that should be a model for the rest of us. Enjoy the High Sierras. Most of the rest of us "old" 65-year-olds will probably be at home griping about our age while you're making the most of each breath you take. We should take the hint. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Virginia Beck Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA I wish these tests had been around a little earlier when there was still someone in my parent's generation to test, and someone in my generation other than myself. My daughter has Crohn's. It affected her lower intestine, which had to be removed over ten years ago. She is one of the lucky few to have been a good candidate for a Koch pouch, not usually possible for Crohn's patients. No one on either side of our family in any known generation has had this auto-immune disease. My husband died of multiple myeloma, which hasn't so far been identified as either autoimmune or hereditary. My dad's mother was SI (Warnock) with a dollop of English (Milner); his father was English (Wilmoth, Sargent) with a smidgen of Dutch (Walraven). My dad had a congenital heart defect, and his doctor, way back in 1902 when he was 20, gave him about 10 years to live and recommended a low-fat diet. Dad was a chef and prepared nearly all of our meals, so we were on his low-fat regimen for years before that idea was widely accepted. He died of a heart attack at 80. My mom, active and healthy all her life, died of a massive cerebral hemorrhage at 79. Her mother was Norwegian (Johnson) & English (York); her dad was German (Otto & Rowe). Both my parents were mentally sharp until their deaths. On my husband's side, his dad was German (Beck), English (Neil) & French-speaking Swiss (Kaufman); his mom was Scot (Stevenson) & English (Haskit). They each died after a series of strokes (due, perhaps, to their high-fat diet) at ages 73 and 75. "Pop" developed senile dementia about 8 years before his death. "Mom" remained mentally alert all her life. I did fairly well in the gene pool. At 90, my main problem is osteo-arthritis. I had knee replacements ten years ago, which helped a lot, but spinal involvement limits my ability to walk any distance and my sense of balance is a bit unreliable. On a trip to Greece & Crete a couple of years ago I used a three-wheel walker for sightseeing and, with a little help, managed the climb at the Parthenon and Delphi. A couple of years ago my kidney function started to sag off, requiring a low phosphorus diet, and last year I had a fleeting TIA episode, which prompted my doctor to put me on daily baby aspirin, cholesterol & blood pressure meds. I still garden, cook and have a busy social agenda with family & friends. I'm looking forward in June & July to a month in the high Sierras with my daughter & son-in-law. We'll be "camping" in an RV, so that's not exactly roughing it. And although I can no longer wade the creeks with a fly-rod or sit for long in a boat, I can still cast a line for trout from the banks of those beautiful lakes. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Hi Mary, I will let the list know. I think the announcement came on the ISOGG list.... There's a number of Crohn's genes -- see the pages at www.23andme.com ....I just learned this myself today! Maybe even more involved...they seem to update dynamically, so I had new stuff posted even today. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wish these tests had been around a little earlier when there was still someone in my parent's generation to test, and someone in my generation other than myself. My daughter has Crohn's. It affected her lower intestine, which had to be removed over ten years ago. She is one of the lucky few to have been a good candidate for a Koch pouch, not usually possible for Crohn's patients. No one on either side of our family in any known generation has had this auto-immune disease. My husband died of multiple myeloma, which hasn't so far been identified as either autoimmune or hereditary. My dad's mother was SI (Warnock) with a dollop of English (Milner); his father was English (Wilmoth, Sargent) with a smidgen of Dutch (Walraven). My dad had a congenital heart defect, and his doctor, way back in 1902 when he was 20, gave him about 10 years to live and recommended a low-fat diet. Dad was a chef and prepared nearly all of our meals, so we were on his low-fat regimen for years before that idea was widely accepted. He died of a heart attack at 80. My mom, active and healthy all her life, died of a massive cerebral hemorrhage at 79. Her mother was Norwegian (Johnson) & English (York); her dad was German (Otto & Rowe). Both my parents were mentally sharp until their deaths. On my husband's side, his dad was German (Beck), English (Neil) & French-speaking Swiss (Kaufman); his mom was Scot (Stevenson) & English (Haskit). They each died after a series of strokes (due, perhaps, to their high-fat diet) at ages 73 and 75. "Pop" developed senile dementia about 8 years before his death. "Mom" remained mentally alert all her life. I did fairly well in the gene pool. At 90, my main problem is osteo-arthritis. I had knee replacements ten years ago, which helped a lot, but spinal involvement limits my ability to walk any distance and my sense of balance is a bit unreliable. On a trip to Greece & Crete a couple of years ago I used a three-wheel walker for sightseeing and, with a little help, managed the climb at the Parthenon and Delphi. A couple of years ago my kidney function started to sag off, requiring a low phosphorus diet, and last year I had a fleeting TIA episode, which prompted my doctor to put me on daily baby aspirin, cholesterol & blood pressure meds. I still garden, cook and have a busy social agenda with family & friends. I'm looking forward in June & July to a month in the high Sierras with my daughter & son-in-law. We'll be "camping" in an RV, so that's not exactly roughing it. And although I can no longer wade the creeks with a fly-rod or sit for long in a boat, I can still cast a line for trout from the banks of those beautiful lakes. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Hi Mary, I will let the list know. I think the announcement came on the ISOGG list.... There's a number of Crohn's genes -- see the pages at www.23andme.com ....I just learned this myself today! Maybe even more involved...they seem to update dynamically, so I had new stuff posted even today. Linda Merle

Hi Jim, thanks for your insights. Starting one of these 'rogue threads' is one way to flush out some informed people, like yourself. Can you tell us about your Brown and Knox DNA studies and what insights they have produced, esp. in Ulster? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Roman DNA In a message dated Tue, 25 May 2010 22:58:37 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] writes: >> The answer is probably "The Romans". They lugged all kinds of strange DNA to the Isles. Among them probably the ancestors of Thomas Jefferson. Not only did he **** his slaves but his Y chromo was K -- an African type. Supposedly another Roman transportee. We can safely blame all our DNA anomalies on them << Hello Linda and all! I don't mean to be picky, because your explanation is probably correct for most cases. But there might be more to the story, because the "Mediterranean" DNA haplogroups found in the British Isles (e.g., E, J and T on the Y-chromosome side, or David Gough's U5 on the mtDNA side) may in some instances have come from Jewish or Turkish traders who settled there during the Middle Ages. Or some of this mystery DNA may even have come from the Phoenicians, who are known to have visited the British Isles even before the Romans. All very intriguing! Also, just for the record, the Jefferson DNA is no longer denominated as the K haplogroup, because a couple of years ago the "authorities" magically rechristened the whole haplogroup as T -- for reasons that will probably forever remain unknown to us lay folk. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Administrator, Brown DNA Study Administrator, Knox DNA Project ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"The most unbelievable factoid along this line I have ever heard is that one out of every six people is related to Genghis Khan" -- You might want to watch the below documentary. It's been awhile since I watched it, but I thought there was some mention of Genghis Khan. JOURNEY OF MAN tells the remarkable story of the human journey out of Africa and into the rest of the world, tracing history through evidence uncovered in the Y-chromosome of man's DNA. Traversing six continents, the film takes viewers on a fascinating journey into the hidden world of their ancestry and offers a modern look at our ancestor's lives. http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Man-Dr-Spencer-Wells/dp/B0000AYL48/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274890940&sr=8-2 A short article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html I had relatives participate in Spencer Wells's National Geographic Human Genome Project and I can confirm that they got the migration routes correct for my family members (at least to the point where I knew they came from, but they took it all the way to Africa). I guess we are all Ethiopians. :) https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

In a message dated Tue, 25 May 2010 22:58:37 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] writes: >> The answer is probably "The Romans". They lugged all kinds of strange DNA to the Isles. Among them probably the ancestors of Thomas Jefferson. Not only did he **** his slaves but his Y chromo was K -- an African type. Supposedly another Roman transportee. We can safely blame all our DNA anomalies on them << Hello Linda and all! I don't mean to be picky, because your explanation is probably correct for most cases. But there might be more to the story, because the "Mediterranean" DNA haplogroups found in the British Isles (e.g., E, J and T on the Y-chromosome side, or David Gough's U5 on the mtDNA side) may in some instances have come from Jewish or Turkish traders who settled there during the Middle Ages. Or some of this mystery DNA may even have come from the Phoenicians, who are known to have visited the British Isles even before the Romans. All very intriguing! Also, just for the record, the Jefferson DNA is no longer denominated as the K haplogroup, because a couple of years ago the "authorities" magically rechristened the whole haplogroup as T -- for reasons that will probably forever remain unknown to us lay folk. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Administrator, Brown DNA Study Administrator, Knox DNA Project

Hi Karen, You can try several firms. The largest for doing Y and mitochondrial DNA is www.familytreedna.com . It has the largest database to match to. This is only good for genealogy. It also has just announced autosomal testing -- which tests all your genes. That's called Family Finder: http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx . It is focused on finding relatives. The firm I tested with for autosomal testing is www.23andme.com . It does a lot of medical related testing. The finding relatives part is more of an add-on. Family tree DNA has a strong network of projects that are run by an admin, who is a volunteer. Often they know a lot and can help you out. It is my first day at 23andme -- I don't see any projects. So if you want medical information, etc, it would seem 23andme is where to go. If you are focused on family history, consider FamilyTreeDNA. If you want to test for the father's line, that's Y chromosome testing. If maternal, that's mitochondrial. It's confusing <grin>! This segment comparing is very confusing. They are trying to figure it out on the genealogy DNA list. The software at 23andme seems very user friendly, which is key to getting non-technical people like us involved. Otherwise you test and can't understand the results. This doesn't inspire you to do more testing. Ancestry now offers DNA testing, focused of course on family history, not medical history: http://dna.ancestry.com/welcome.aspx Has anyone tested at other firms and can tell us how they compare?? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:00:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Linda - please remind us all again about how to get a DNA test. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Widener" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA\ Linda, If you ever see that sale again, please let the list know immediately, certain there are several of us who would jump at the chance of the test. When you mentioned it telling of the Crohns gene, really hit home for me, as I have had the problem since 1971, took several years to learn there was a gene for it. I haven't found anyone on my father's Shanks side who has had it, that is my Scotch Irish, they came from Belfast in 1767 to Charleston, S. Carolina for a land offering. My husband has had his DNA done with the Family Tree dna with his Widener list, but only told of his paternal lines. What you spoke of told so much more than we have received from them. Thanks for all of your help!! Mary Widener ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, I will let the list know. I think the announcement came on the ISOGG list.... There's a number of Crohn's genes -- see the pages at www.23andme.com ....I just learned this myself today! Maybe even more involved...they seem to update dynamically, so I had new stuff posted even today. I would have to say that even at $500 the testing is worth it. Besides all mentioned here, you also find out how you react to various medications. See here: https://www.23andme.com/health/drugs/ This is information that your doctor can use TODAY to ensure you get better medical treatment. I learned I am at increased risk for adverse reactions to anesthesia -- and some people posted comments who also have the gene and said it was totally true for them. I can warn my doctor. I have an increased risk of developing neuropathy if taking certain statins. Again, I can avoid these or watch more carefully. I would tolerate a normal dosage of wafarin -- but some people take as little as a 4th a normal dose. You can bleed to death if you are overdosed. I was astounded at what I learned. The studies that established these results are duly noted, should my doctor wish to study the information. Additional studies might show the initial ones were wrong, of course. The medical information was far more interesting than the genealogy -- and frankly, well worth $500, if you have it. This information could save my life someday and gives me peace of mind today. I am not likely to die of breast cancer (no genes increasing my risk above the average) but type 2 diabetes? Yup. So I better get more serious about dieting. Now, or I'll end up like my dad, who has it. Very motivating......I could have spent much more at the doctors and learned far less about my health risks. You also learn if you carry certain diseases. Not me, so far. I seem to have pretty good genes, except for the gut and liver genes, which are not good. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Widener" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:13:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] DNA Linda, If you ever see that sale again, please let the list know immediately, certain there are several of us who would jump at the chance of the test. When you mentioned it telling of the Crohns gene, really hit home for me, as I have had the problem since 1971, took several years to learn there was a gene for it. I haven't found anyone on my father's Shanks side who has had it, that is my Scotch Irish, they came from Belfast in 1767 to Charleston, S. Carolina for a land offering. My husband has had his DNA done with the Family Tree dna with his Widener list, but only told of his paternal lines. What you spoke of told so much more than we have received from them. Thanks for all of your help!! Mary Widener ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy, No specific connection that we're aware of between Crohns and the Scotch Irish or Irish. But of course the kind of test results I just got were probably impossible 2 years ago so this research is in its infancy. If you want to help get answers -- test. Then the scientists can get answers faster. 23andme has information on various diseases that it tests for on the public webpage (www.23andme.com). Here's the Crohns: www.23andme.com/health/Crohns-Disease/ It says About 100-150 out of 100,000 people of European ancestry have it. Jewish people have a higher rate too. HUGE amount of info on it and links. Then here: https://www.23andme.com/health/Crohns-Disease/ it says: This gene encodes a protein that regulates the process of programmed cell death known as apoptosis . Its function is to recognize bacterial components that get inside of a special type of immune cell, triggering a signal to the rest of the immune system. The three SNPs in CARD15/NOD2 were the first to be found associated with Crohn's disease. Each occurs in or near a part of the protein that binds to sugars found only on the surfaces of bacteria. Scientists don’t know for sure, but they think that the riskier alleles of CARD15/NOD2 make proteins that fail to bind bacterial sugars. This failure may cause changes in chemical signaling in the immune system, leading to inflammation. It’s also possible that the riskier versions of the SNPs cause CARD15/NOD2 to bind to new kinds of bacterial sugars. Encountering these new sugars could be the environmental trigger that sets off CD. The study whose data we report as applicable to those of "European" ancestry confirmed the association in samples primarily from France. The higher-risk versions of this SNP are so rare in Asian populations that studies conducted so far have not been able to find a significant association. No significantly large studies have been performed to investigate this association in samples of African ancestry. So! it seems associated with us, there's a number of genes involved and it has to do with bacteria. One page I saw suggested it might be that refridgeration results in different bacteria in our intestines. Donno! My brother, who developed it in his late teens and went out to look like someone who didn't survive the holocaust. He had a foot and a half of intestine removed. It didn't come back, but he maintains a 'clean' diet and went on to develop the liver problems associated with crohns. He was on the transplant list but found Kombuchu basically was healing his liver so he declined a liver. Which was good as we seem to have an increased risk of rejecting transplanted organs..... My sister has a milder case. Me, I'm into IBS. My father specializes in colitis. Our great great granddad died young in Scotland of intestinal inflamation. We blame it all on him. My father's mother and sister died of intestinal difficulties, both at advanced ages. Probably be called ischemic colitis -- as your cardio vascular system collapses, your guts don't get enough blood and they start to infect and inflame. Eventually they bleed and you bleed out. My dad has that now but it's a race to see what'll get him. He'll turn 87 next month and has a lot of issues. He was given ten years to live when he was in his 50s and had a heart attack, so he's doing pretty good but is in very delicate health now, living in assisted living, which he loves. He really likes having women wait on him! I'm not joking. My mother was a nurse, so having 24 hour nursing care is normal for him <grin>. >NOW my big question if I did this DNA test would it provide clues of my mothers family? Yes. DNA recombines in long strands, so you inherit long strands that are like other people's. Software can be used to compare lengths of your DNA with others. Software can then predict degrees of relatedness. However you can't tell what you inherited from your mother or your father -- with two exceptions. The Y chromo doesn't recombine but is passed in toto to sons except for some mutations. Females do not have a Y chromosome, but the mitochondria is passed on to all a woman's children. The daughters pass theirs on. The sons are 'dead ends' as their children will inherit from the mother, but the female line is an unbroken chain, like the Y chromosome. So you bear your mother's mitochondral DNA, BUT she does not have her father's. She has an unknown amount of his DNA. You coud figure out what YOU got from your mother versus from your father by having your father tested. The DNA that you have that matches his you got from him. What you didn't get from him came from one other source: your mum. If he's passed on, you could test your brothers or sisters. None has 100% of his DNA, so you'd want to test several, I would think, speaking as a novice who lurks on the genealogy DNA list. Due to not winning the lottery yet, I do like everyone else here: sit around waiting for matches at FamilyTreeDNA and now 23andme. However my one client, who apparently did win the lottery....he wanted to know where his ancestors came from. He employed me to locate pods of the surname in the UK. That research revealed that the surname was only found early on (pre 19th century) in Ireland in two counties: Down and Tyrone. I then tracked down people descending from these two groups. My client didn't match the group in Down. It took a long time, but we connected with the help of several Aussies with a man descended from a fellow living in Tyrone in the early 1800s who migrated to Australia. He was a 67 marker match (Y Chromosome). So we knew where the Virginia brothers came from. Also this family comes from the line of the chiefs of the O'Doherties or O'Cahan clans, though largely Protestant. As a result we got lots of assistence from Irish geneticists trying to work out the genealogies of the clans. My client paid for many of these men to test as well as a few cousins in the USA to make sure we were sampling the DNA of the three brothers (dropped off by the UFO in Virginia circa 1770) and not some NPE (non Paternity Event; ie the Indian in the woodpile syndrome). So it was not cheap, but it was quicker than passively waiting for a match. So if you could afford it, you would test various relatives to get a good idea what her DNA is and using clues you have identified via standard genealogy, narrow the field down (ie to people surnamed Shine, maybe) and pay to test them. Not a lot of people want to pay $300 to find out if they are related to you <grin>. You can find consultants at www.isogg.org if you want to hire someone to organize this kind of project -- if you won the lottery. I consider myself lucky to have been able to be involved in a pro active project. I was not the DNA expert on it -- we hired someone since I am not a DNA genealogy expert. A little too mathmatical for me....I see I have a gene for non-verbal intelligence but no math gene. I don't know what 'non-verbal intelligence' is either <grin>!! Doesn't sound very useful, though, does it? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Anderson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:30:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] Linda's Test Hello, I am quite interested in this test myself. Is there something connected to Scotch-Irish and the Crohn's gene? I ask this question as I have a sister who has crohn's and my mother was adopted. Quite by accident we found out the name of her biological which was Shine. I have done quite a bit of studying of this name and believe it to be Irish. NOW my big question if I did this DNA test would it provide clues of my mothers family? Thnaks Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am quite interested in this test myself.  Is there something connected to Scotch-Irish and the Crohn's gene?  I ask this question as I have a sister who has crohn's and my mother was adopted.  Quite by accident we found out the name of her biological which was Shine.  I have done quite a bit of studying of this name and believe it to be Irish. NOW my big question if I did this DNA test would it provide clues of my mothers family? Thnaks Judy

Linda - please remind us all again about how to get a DNA test. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Widener" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA\ Linda, If you ever see that sale again, please let the list know immediately, certain there are several of us who would jump at the chance of the test. When you mentioned it telling of the Crohns gene, really hit home for me, as I have had the problem since 1971, took several years to learn there was a gene for it. I haven't found anyone on my father's Shanks side who has had it, that is my Scotch Irish, they came from Belfast in 1767 to Charleston, S. Carolina for a land offering. My husband has had his DNA done with the Family Tree dna with his Widener list, but only told of his paternal lines. What you spoke of told so much more than we have received from them. Thanks for all of your help!! Mary Widener ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message