Hi Roberta, hey, I have made it to Friday with lookups. Muster Lists 1641/2 (Derry) Thomas Mcffarlan Henry Osborne's Foot Daniel Mcffarlan John Kilner's Foot Defenders of Derry (Young) Zilche According to another surname book (Surnames of Derry, by Brian Mitchell -- he uses the various surname books I mentioned earlier and I'm too tired to check them all, so am cheating....) McFarlands are irish and Scots. The Irish sept was in South Armagh. The Scots descend from the Earls of Lennox and lived on the western shores of Loch Lomond till proscribed and dispossessed in the late 16th century. I add: maybe some came to Ulster with the McDonalds or as Gallowglass?? Donno. According to Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames" McAnulty is Irish and is also fou nd as MacNulty. It means son of the Ulsterman. They were a sept in south Donegal associated with the O'Donnells. There was also a small sept in Cavan. He says in Donegal you had MacDunlevys, a royal family of Ulidia (southeast Ulster) driven out by John de Courcy in the 12th century, who settled in Donegal and assumed, among other names, Mac an Ultaigh -- son of the Ulidian. I wonder if anyone is trying to prove this with DNA? McBride, back to "Book of Ulster Surnames" (banishing MacLysaght as he gets me into trouble <grin>) is most common in Ulster, esp. Donegal and Down and Antrim. It can be Scots or Irish. The Ulster Sept was in Donegal where they were an important ecclesiastical family in the medieval period. Then a branch migrated to Down. They are also a sept of Clan Donald, so you find them in Antrim near the Giant's Causeway. These folks were not defending Derry in 1641/2 because they were in Antrim, probably busy defending their homeland. Perhaps you can find them in the Musterlists other than the ones in Derry. There are a large number of them on a FHL film. They're not indexed or published so you have to read every page. Linda Merle So that would explain why they're not about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberta I. Sharp" <rsharp@csupomona.edu> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Cc: lmerle@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:15:12 PM Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691" McAnulty, McFarland, McBride Linda, if you are still doing lookups, the names I am interested in are McAnulty (or McNulty, Macanulty0, McFarland, McBride. Thanks, Roberta

Hi Patricia, did you find them at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html ?? You'd have browse from there. Sorry, trying to get caught up. Now I know why people don't do lookups very often <grin>. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Kinzie" <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> To: scotch-Irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:36:21 PM Subject: [S-I] Plantation of Ulster Hi Linda, Could you tell me what page the information about the Armstrong's is on? I want to cite it for my Armstrongs. Thanks, Pat California ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn, I do find Milligan in Black "Surnames of Scotland". This is one I'll have to blame on the Irish! (Joke). Ie MacLysaght doesn't mention it. Usually Black is considered 'definitive' for Scottish surnames. MacLysaght is rarely accorded that same high esteem among the Irish, as I have learned on various lists. He has to compete with several earlier documenters of Irish surnames, some quite early. The same lists discuss who is the truest but of course it varies with the poster and I also think who you are trying to research. No doubt McL and his associates are great for those researching the Irish, but unfortunately, especially for those of us researching in Ulster, that may not be the case. Besides these two books I have an "English" surname that also has a lot of Scots, Welsh, and Irish names, which is why I said "English" and not English <grin>. However I don't have the time to look up all this. Often Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames" will give you a summary of what McL, Black, and Reaney and Wilson (my English surname book) say. Bell does say Milligan could be either Scots or Irish. This illustrates one of my main points: always look up the surname. I should add, in the right book <grin>! And I should take my own advice and follow it compulsively to avoid screwing up. Did you find the McCoy, etc? or where to check? Browse from http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html down to Nov. 2011. If I am hallucinating and didn't do them, let us know. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field Hi, Linda.....hey, I got a DNA test, even found an Armstrong cousin in Co. Tyrone although he wasn't interested in swapping ancestor stories. His ancestors are from the same tiny townland...it's only a 25 match, but with the location and all, it seems pretty positive. His cousin sent me photos of the old (wrecked now) farmstead. Milligan is also a Scottish name...they say that she always swore she was Scottish, but then everybody did that. We don't know where Milligan and Field came from for sure, but assume Milligan was Fermanagh as that is pretty close to where my Armstrongs lived in Tyrone. We finally found the Milligan graves in a Boston area cemetery. Of course they were hard to find...one stone was only "Mother" and the other was "Father." It took a Milligan researcher to find the stones among some of the offspring, but we still can't find where they came from. You might remember that I asked about those folks before....they went back to Ireland and then back to the USA through Liverpool to Quebec to Boston. We could never find ships' records in Boston because they didn't come in that way. Sorry I missed the McCoy and Armstrong stuff...Termonmagurk area of Co. Tyrone. You mean the list archives? I am surprised I missed that although this has been a beastly year and I had to let the genealogy stuff mostly slide. Hoping to get back to it. Cheers, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmerle@comcast.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field > Hi Marilyn, McKay and Armstrong are done. Check archives.....amazed! You > aren't reading every single one of these <grin>!!! > > Nada for the other two. Mulligan of course is Irish, a Donegal sept, > though now found in Mayo and Monaghan. Because as MacLysaght says "much > reduced at the time of the Plantation". I think by that he means "mostly > killed. " Field? Was his first name "Green"???? Sorry, bad joke. The Irish > didn't tend to take locative surnames but it is possible his Irish name > sounded like something...Or he was English. McLysaght says... bingo! (Oops > that was me).... could be Fehilly or Maghery. Fehilly is a Connacht sept. > An Mhachaire 'of the field' is one of the few 'cognomina' taken from a > place of residence. It is found in Co Limerick in the 1300s, but ... it > takes the form Field in Armagh. > > Maybe you need a DNA test <grin>. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:47:45 PM > Subject: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field > > Hi, > I just dropped into the list today as I have been involved in a couple of > other projects and have let genealogy slide. > > Now I see McKoy and McKay and now I am interested. I never pass up a > chance > to ask this group questions and now I am wondering a bit what is going on. > Anyway....Armstrong, McCoy (or sometimes McKay), Milligan and Field from > Co. > Tyrone. If anybody sees those names, I'd love to know about it. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie, I got your email Thursday Nov 10, so I am not too far behind. Away over the weekend without much access to the Internet. If anyone is reading this and sent me a request before that date that I haven't responded to, you may want to send it on again as apparently it didn't make it or I lost the post or something. I've been trying to respond in chrono order and deleting the email after replying but my system is far from perfect, I'm now learning. Muster Lists of Derry (1641/2) Thomas Parke Henry Finch's Foot Allen Parker Henry Osborne's Foot Robert Parkes Robert Thornton's Foot Robert Park Tristram Beresford's Foot Defenders of Derry (Young) - 1689, etc. Just Col. Parker Coleraine Deserted to the Jacobite camp on 25 April 1689 I had thought when seeing no Parks -- what happened to the Parks? Then I read about Col. Parker and had to laugh. I know to us now the difference between the two sides seems very clear but apparently it was more confusing to contemporaries as I have read that many did defect back and forth. Not only was this due to increasing religious bifurcations but also due to the difficulty of deciding which side really represented the rightful king. Supporting King WIlliam, an outsider invited in from Europe, meant you had to be able to convince yourself that it was okay to not support the crowned king, no matter how awful you might think he was. And also to believe that the supporters of King William had a chance of winning. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Parks" <jparks1393@aol.com> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:19:38 AM Subject: [S-I] Lookup please Linda: Would you please lookup the surname Park/e/s? Thank you for all you do. Julie Parks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know how to search Irish "Lords". My family's oral history states that we are descendants of Lord Appleby of Ireland. The story goes that his daughter Margaret married John McMullen and so was disinherited by her father, so they emigrated to American (this would probably be in the mid 1700s) Jane Munson

Marilyn and Linda I imagine that the MacLysaght book that Linda is using is The Surnames of Ireland. It was first published in 1985. As she said, Milligan is not listed there. Another of his books is Irish Families Their Names , Arms and Origins that was first published in 1957. Milligan is not one of the names dealt with in the main parts of this book as well. However, among the Appendices to this book there is one listing other Irish surnames rarely found outside particular counties or baronies. Milligan is listed there in connection with Antrim and South Derry but he doesn't say the source of this information. Unfortunately, that's one of the frustrations with MacLysaght. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net Sent: November-14-11 10:19 AM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field Hi Marilyn, I do find Milligan in Black "Surnames of Scotland". This is one I'll have to blame on the Irish! (Joke). Ie MacLysaght doesn't mention it. Usually Black is considered 'definitive' for Scottish surnames. MacLysaght is rarely accorded that same high esteem among the Irish, as I have learned on various lists. He has to compete with several earlier documenters of Irish surnames, some quite early. The same lists discuss who is the truest but of course it varies with the poster and I also think who you are trying to research. No doubt McL and his associates are great for those researching the Irish, but unfortunately, especially for those of us researching in Ulster, that may not be the case. Besides these two books I have an "English" surname that also has a lot of Scots, Welsh, and Irish names, which is why I said "English" and not English <grin>. However I don't have the time to look up all this. Often Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames" will give you a summary of what McL, Black, and Reaney and Wilson (my English surname book) say. Bell does say Milligan could be either Scots or Irish. This illustrates one of my main points: always look up the surname. I should add, in the right book <grin>! And I should take my own advice and follow it compulsively to avoid screwing up. Did you find the McCoy, etc? or where to check? Browse from http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html down to Nov. 2011. If I am hallucinating and didn't do them, let us know. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field Hi, Linda.....hey, I got a DNA test, even found an Armstrong cousin in Co. Tyrone although he wasn't interested in swapping ancestor stories. His ancestors are from the same tiny townland...it's only a 25 match, but with the location and all, it seems pretty positive. His cousin sent me photos of the old (wrecked now) farmstead. Milligan is also a Scottish name...they say that she always swore she was Scottish, but then everybody did that. We don't know where Milligan and Field came from for sure, but assume Milligan was Fermanagh as that is pretty close to where my Armstrongs lived in Tyrone. We finally found the Milligan graves in a Boston area cemetery. Of course they were hard to find...one stone was only "Mother" and the other was "Father." It took a Milligan researcher to find the stones among some of the offspring, but we still can't find where they came from. You might remember that I asked about those folks before....they went back to Ireland and then back to the USA through Liverpool to Quebec to Boston. We could never find ships' records in Boston because they didn't come in that way. Sorry I missed the McCoy and Armstrong stuff...Termonmagurk area of Co. Tyrone. You mean the list archives? I am surprised I missed that although this has been a beastly year and I had to let the genealogy stuff mostly slide. Hoping to get back to it. Cheers, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmerle@comcast.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field > Hi Marilyn, McKay and Armstrong are done. Check archives.....amazed! > You aren't reading every single one of these <grin>!!! > > Nada for the other two. Mulligan of course is Irish, a Donegal sept, > though now found in Mayo and Monaghan. Because as MacLysaght says > "much reduced at the time of the Plantation". I think by that he means > "mostly killed. " Field? Was his first name "Green"???? Sorry, bad > joke. The Irish didn't tend to take locative surnames but it is > possible his Irish name sounded like something...Or he was English. > McLysaght says... bingo! (Oops that was me).... could be Fehilly or Maghery. Fehilly is a Connacht sept. > An Mhachaire 'of the field' is one of the few 'cognomina' taken from a > place of residence. It is found in Co Limerick in the 1300s, but ... > it takes the form Field in Armagh. > > Maybe you need a DNA test <grin>. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:47:45 PM > Subject: [S-I] McCoy, McKay, Armstrong, Milligan, Field > > Hi, > I just dropped into the list today as I have been involved in a couple > of other projects and have let genealogy slide. > > Now I see McKoy and McKay and now I am interested. I never pass up a > chance to ask this group questions and now I am wondering a bit what > is going on. > Anyway....Armstrong, McCoy (or sometimes McKay), Milligan and Field > from Co. > Tyrone. If anybody sees those names, I'd love to know about it. > > Thanks, > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 08:44 AM 11/12/2011, you wrote: >You may recall Cromwell was dead by 1670 so he wasn't around. Well, maybe >parts of him that were dug up were still around, but not functioning. Well Linda, remember that Chuck2 had him hanged after being dug up. Much harder to get around under those circumstances. ...

Mitchell doesn't have a trained "eye". I HAVE seen the originals and the "transcribed" work Mitchell himself is referencing in Londonderry. Yes, the original town records are at PRONI , NOT Londonderry. Mitchell looked at the same stuff I did. And since, NINIAN is also in the St. Columb's Cathedral records for that time, and other records including Walker's book on the Derry seige; then the educated eye would have been looking for the right spelling for a name he was clueless about. Guess Mitchell also forgot to mention, the only original letter written post-1690 that is signed by survivors of the Seige is hanging on the Walls at St. Columbs. Now a trained researcher would have also used that as a primary source, unless he was just making a cheap copy of something already written and didn't want to do any actual work. Being an "author" of a book doesn't make you trained or educated. When the book is a COPY of previous lists, it makes you a copier. People who buy those books should know the difference. I KNOW you wrote it exactly how he wrote it, I corrected HIM cause the copies of the originals are sitting in front of me. That's how an educated, trained researcher does his work. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 11/12/2011 9:15:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: Sorry, but this book says Minian. I did not make a mistake. Due to the shortage of typewriters <grin>, the originals are handwritten and subject to interpretation. You'll have to talk to Mitchell or review the original to determine why it is transcribed in this book by Mitchell. Probably because to his trained eye, it looked like an M. The modern eye would like to read it as Ninian. But most likely we need to 'go' with the educated, trained eye when doing transcriptions. In the case of looking up transcriptions, my case, one does not interpret. One types exactly what is there. If one disagrees, one adds a comment in brackets. Otherwise one gets a bad mark in Research 101 class. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: BrooksGen4@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:04:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders etc. Boyd correction Sorry but need to correct one BOYD name. Given name is NINIAN not Minian from that list. The others are correct. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, but this book says Minian. I did not make a mistake. Due to the shortage of typewriters <grin>, the originals are handwritten and subject to interpretation. You'll have to talk to Mitchell or review the original to determine why it is transcribed in this book by Mitchell. Probably because to his trained eye, it looked like an M. The modern eye would like to read it as Ninian. But most likely we need to 'go' with the educated, trained eye when doing transcriptions. In the case of looking up transcriptions, my case, one does not interpret. One types exactly what is there. If one disagrees, one adds a comment in brackets. Otherwise one gets a bad mark in Research 101 class. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: BrooksGen4@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:04:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders etc. Boyd correction Sorry but need to correct one BOYD name. Given name is NINIAN not Minian from that list. The others are correct. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, The (famous) Siege of Derry took place in 1689. The muster lists that are in Brian Mitchell's book are from 1641. So any information you have about the Siege of Derry does not apply to these muster lists. I know little about the defence of Derry in 1641-2 as my personal interests are in Antrim . Some information may be in "Scottish Covenanters and Irish Confederates" by David Stevenson. There are other books written about the period. A first stop is Bardon's history of Ulster. Moving on to 1689. It was another civil war that involved a struggle for control of three kingdoms and of course the throne in London. And while history has chosen to label the winners the loyalists (and correct, true, etc), that was only done after the war was won. At the time Ireland had endured a period in which Protestants were purged from the army and other positions of power. No doubt it felt a lot like similar times in the past and all knew it would only end in bloodshed. So when the time came to take a side, some choose to side with the government in power, which was dominated by Catholics and Jacobites and some to take a stand against the status quo. The ones who stood against it were the ones who shut the gates and held the city. The ones outside were the ones running the government at the time. You may recall Cromwell was dead by 1670 so he wasn't around. Well, maybe parts of him that were dug up were still around, but not functioning. I think they were also in England, not Ireland. Not even his head has been accused of being in Ireland in 1689. The Covenantors were of the earlier time and didn't play in the Siege. In fact if you read the history of Ulster (See Bardon or Elliott's book), you will learn that the Presbyterian church(es) in Ireland only date from this period. The first Presbytery was set up by men in Monroe's Army, the same that signed the Protestants to the Covanants, as they were, of this time. The term means different things in different times and different places. Cromwell was not Lord Protector in 1641/2 either. He was still off stage practicing his lines. Our Scottish surnames do not figure in the Muster Lists of the troups defending Derry in 1641/2 because of two reasons: 1. Londonderry was an English plantation inhabited by Irish and English plus a handful of Scots. In 1641/2 it was only a few decades since King James ascended the throne of England changing forever the relationship of England and Scotland. Before him, it was illegal and dangerous for a Scotsman to be caught in an English plantation. They were also not welcome in England's American colonies. You can learn about this in Dobson's books. In fact the book on Scottish Covananters has a section on Scots in L'Derry and their attempts to gain lands there. Attempt, note. 2. The Scots were busy in Antrim and Down. If you read this book you will read much about their preparations and fears of the government (in 1641, also dominated by Catholics and Jacobites), that they were arming themselves with aid from Scotland to rebell against the government and go "OUT" in the Rising with the Irish and Anglo Irish Confederates. As we know, they did not, perhaps because it wasn't long before things devolved into a sectarian massacre with them targeted as well as the English. Instead what happened is, in the gap caused by paralysis in London (so no army was raised to defend British interests in Ulster), a Scots army was sent to do the same. The government feared many things that came to be and various English governments have failed to understand the Ulster Scot. Lots of paperwork between officials regarding their concerns of the Ulster Scots joining a possible Rising of Irish Confederates doesn't necessarily mean that a sizable number of the Ulster Scots were actually considering it. They may well have been importing guns to defend themselves against an Irish rising. We don't know and we sure can't trust English government officials to have much of a clue as they were wrong about them again and again. There is no evidence Cromwell slaughtered Scots in Ulster that I've ever seen. Perhaps you should provide a creditable source. There are a huge number of rumors about Cromwell, many untrue. In fact the truth about him is still being uncovered. In many cases the atrocities he has been accused of in Ireland cannot be proven with contemporary evidence. I'm about to go out for the day, but I can give you the name of a book that draws that conclusion. It includes sources so you can examine them yourself and decide if it is correct or not. I suspect that if he had killed every Scot in Ireland that he'd have not had killed as many Irish and ANglo Irish as he is accused of killing. He certainly did kill all the soldiers in all the castles and cities he took. It was the 1600s. You played war by giving these guys one chance to walk out alive. If they chose to not surrender it was a fight to the death. But as I said before, he's been accused of slaughtering women and children in those towns and yet it is not at all clear that he did. Luckily I was not yet born so I have no recall. However no book I've ever read accused him of killing Ulster Scots. Though he did think about relocating them to I think Tipperary. Again, read your Bardon. That's the starting point for all discussion on the topic. And I'm gone off to have a bit of a life now..... Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mitchell" <dm60@mweb.co.za> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com, "DM Dave Mitchell DJM" <dm60@mweb.co.za>, "Seamus Doherty" <derrydoherty@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:17:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster: 1641-91 Hi Linda I think we need a closer look at the events of 1641-42. Besieging Derry (yes, besieging Derry!) were many of the Laggan army (from Inishowen and the Derry vicinity), under Col. Robert Stewart (see e.g. Symington's Survey of 1654). Isn't that why our Scottish Covenanter surnames are not featuring so prominently in the early lookups? I recall reading that Cromwell and his lads killed more Presbyterian Scots in the north-west of Ireland than they did "native" Irish (Catholics and Confederates) - showing these bloody times were more about power struggles and politics than the "irreconcilable" religious differences as so often cited. (Out walking dogs, so can't refer to a suitable source right now.) Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa -----Original Message----- From: lmerle@comcast.net Sender: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:38:45 To: List<scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster: 1641-91 Hi folks, many seem confused as to what this book contains. It contains two lists: 1 --Muster Roll Derry A muster roll of Derry is unlikely to contain people who lived elsewhere and were probably busy defending their homes where they lived. A muster roll of Derry contains men who were mustered locally to defend their home: Derry. Who were they defending it from? The Irish! Those people with the O's in their names. What kind of plantation was Derry? English! So your Scots are not likely to be there either. The dates for this were 1641/2 . P. vi says "These men would have been drawn from estates throughout County Londonderry and neighboring counties...." The more you understand the history of the time and place, the more you will get out of it. Take Tristram Beresford, a landlord from Coleraine and Derry. Why wasn't he out defending his estate? Much was lost in the initial attack. I believe all the settlers in Agadowey were either killed or fled. I did some research at the FHL several years ago on this area. The city of Coleraine was full of refugees who were later evacuated in great desperation as they starved to death. Beresford was off defending Defending, probably the men in his company were largely his tenants. If you study his estate you'll know where those men lived. Though if my mind doesn't fail me, all the settler names were replaced by 1650. This doesn't mean they all died. It just means they didn't want to return there. Henry Osborne was a titulado (1659 census) living in the parish of Templemore (City of Derry) Henry Finch also lived there His son lived on estates at Faughanvale at Longfield Beg and Tullybrisland John Kilner was living in Mull (later renamed Eglinton) in the parish of Faughanvale 2. Defenders of Ireland Is an index to a book, not a muster roll. It documents all those who were named in contemporary sources and accounts as playing an active or supportive role in the Williamite campaign from 1689 to 1691. (p. vii). So it is much broader. So here you will find Scots names. Other warnings: in the muster rolls of 1641/2 spelling is very irregular. I am doing lookups fast. If you are a serious family historian, you will inspect these muster rolls at some point yourself, spending a lot more time perusing them. 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Hi Linda. I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in the late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as reported on the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow Presbyterian Church records. I hired a researcher to examine those records and make some copies of some of the originals. The Peeks turned out to be Pooks and I was disappointed. I now know that an “e” was often written to look like an “o” and that they were probably Peeks and that David and his son John were probably my ancestors. A John Peak of Prince Edward County, VA was my ancestor and he had a brother, Robert, also resident in Prince Edward County and family oral history says that they were Scotch Irish. Now, getting to the point would you look up the name, Peek/Pook/Peak if and when you get a chance. I recognize that David would have been too young to be in the “Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691” but perhaps some of his relatives are listed. Thank you. Ed O’Brien

We found out my husband Ross McClain has a perfect match on all markers , It was a McDonald? ---- marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Linda's words prodded a couple of thoughts to jump into my mind. My husband (now deceased) did DNA testing for me with FTDNA when the entire concept was very new. I became the administrator for the project in order to get the discounted price. So it was obvious that after many years he did not have a match. So I began to actively recruit male participants with last name Moses that I expected to match my husband's results. I found several men with excellent paper trails to a William Moses who had lived in Montgomery County, Va in the early to mid 1800's who my husband's paper trail shows is his direct ancestor. These men all matched each other, but they didn't match my husband. So I am left with the mystery of who my husband's direct ancestor really is.....what name his genes would indicate should be attached to my children's heritage. It is quite clear that his ancestry was Scots or SI! When one looks at y-search, his closest match is McMahon from Cork, Ireland. ! Hi! > s matches seem to include several McMinn's ....Alexanders....a Morrison from County Down....O'Neilles of County Down....Steward in SC....Edwards in Cork....Hoarty in Galway....Weaver in Knoxville, TN....McKinsey/Kinney.....Buchannan....Skains in SC....Coyan in NI....Robertson in Scotland---actually several Robertsons in the USA....McAuley in NI....well you get the idea.... > > Needless to say, I am VERY interested in SI DNA....and usually FTDNA puts some sort of test out in Dec at reduced prices. At this point my husband only has one good match when more than 25 genes are compared...and that is that of my son ....I paid for his test to prove to myself that there was not just some sort of lab error on my husband's results. I would encourage anyone who has a male who is a suitable participant to represent any of the lines that they research to be getting those participants lined up to be ready when a sale on kits comes up. It is a wonderful and fun genealogy tool. marsha in WV > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:32 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > > > ... > > You need a DNA test, in other words! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i see someone asking about Fields.. I was looking for Swans and trying to find out about the use of Swan in this Field name and the use of Field in the Swan name. /'William Swan Field' the eldest son of William Field and Grace Coote.... I have a 'Field Swan' and am interested in finding out if Fields married Swans. W.S.F emigrated with parents in //1834 but I don't have an age or birth date for him but he was the eldest of the siblings when they emigrated...so one has to guesstimate the birth year. / /The combination of 'William Swan Field' and //'Field Swan' certainly seems to merit a little digging. /

Linda's words prodded a couple of thoughts to jump into my mind. My husband (now deceased) did DNA testing for me with FTDNA when the entire concept was very new. I became the administrator for the project in order to get the discounted price. So it was obvious that after many years he did not have a match. So I began to actively recruit male participants with last name Moses that I expected to match my husband's results. I found several men with excellent paper trails to a William Moses who had lived in Montgomery County, Va in the early to mid 1800's who my husband's paper trail shows is his direct ancestor. These men all matched each other, but they didn't match my husband. So I am left with the mystery of who my husband's direct ancestor really is.....what name his genes would indicate should be attached to my children's heritage. It is quite clear that his ancestry was Scots or SI! When one looks at y-search, his closest match is McMahon from Cork, Ireland. Hi! s matches seem to include several McMinn's ....Alexanders....a Morrison from County Down....O'Neilles of County Down....Steward in SC....Edwards in Cork....Hoarty in Galway....Weaver in Knoxville, TN....McKinsey/Kinney.....Buchannan....Skains in SC....Coyan in NI....Robertson in Scotland---actually several Robertsons in the USA....McAuley in NI....well you get the idea.... Needless to say, I am VERY interested in SI DNA....and usually FTDNA puts some sort of test out in Dec at reduced prices. At this point my husband only has one good match when more than 25 genes are compared...and that is that of my son ....I paid for his test to prove to myself that there was not just some sort of lab error on my husband's results. I would encourage anyone who has a male who is a suitable participant to represent any of the lines that they research to be getting those participants lined up to be ready when a sale on kits comes up. It is a wonderful and fun genealogy tool. marsha in WV On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:32 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > ... > You need a DNA test, in other words! >

Apologies Linda, yes I can see how useful it would be to put the Surname in the title to firstly keep people alert as to names already looked up and easier to find in Archive at a future date. I did miss the original message but see it there in Archives. I would be grateful if you could look up the surname Swan(n) please, if you get a chance. Thank you.

Hi folks, if you are new to this list and wondering what we are doing, a couple people are doing lookups. I am looking up in Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster by Brian Mitchell. If you want a lookup post to the list with the names in the subject. Why? Because otherwise you'll have to read every email to find out if I responded to you yet. Could get aggravating. If I've not responded to your post yet, relax. I'm getting there. When I think I've answered them all I'll let you know and if I missed yours, you can resend. I won't look the m up a second time. Check here: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html Browse to November 2011 and check the emails to see if your surname has been done. These are largely English surnames from a small area of Ulster. Most Scots surnames aren't there. Many of us have Irish surnames. There are a few there but not very many. It's a little like looking for Arab names on Israeli muster lists. there are Arabs in the Israeli army, but not a lot. The archives are full of lookups so your surname might be there. See http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/Scotch-Irish.html. Linda Merle

Hi Robert, nothing. Checked O'Hart, Irish Pedigrees? (Free at Google books). Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Missroon" <rsroon@aol.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:19:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691" MISSROON, Linda, Thank you for the generous offer. Do you find and mention of Missroon, Miseroon, Miseron, or Musseroon in the accounts? Robert Missroon -----Original Message----- From: lmerle <lmerle@comcast.net> To: List <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 11:17 am Subject: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691" ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, Muster Roll of the Garrison of Derry 1642-43 Nothing Defenders of Ireland 1689, etc Capt Edmond Rice. It could be Welsh. There was a small lost Welsh colony in the area of Belfast in the late 1500s. The surnames do survive. There were far more Welsh to the south in the Pale. The Marcher lords on the border of England and Wales brought their tenants over in the late Medieval Period. However MacLysaght says the ones in Oriel were O'Maolchraoibhe -- which he finds puzzling as to why they became Rices. Clearly no one could pronounce their name so they had to do something <grin>. The name is often Anglicized as Mulcreevy or Mulgrievy. He refers us to a map of Armagh and Down and says "See Mullgrew" THis is another variant of the Irish found in Tyrone. It is sometimes abreviated to Grew in Armagh. Not to be confused (or rather, totally confused) with the English surname Grew, from Old French griu or crane. You need a DNA test, in other words! Oriel, an old Irish kingdom consisting of Armagh, Monaghan and parts of south Down, Louth and Fermanagh. So if your DNA matches the local boys, your ancestors were Irish. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: boreda@frontiernet.net To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:17:12 PM Subject: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691" Hi, Linda, Could you please look up the surname Rice ? Thanks, Bob Rice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Deborah, Nothing. Callaghan is Irish. No idea about Bloomfield. It isn't in MacLysaght. Check O'hart. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Adles" <dadles@gmail.com> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:06:45 AM Subject: [S-I] Defenders Look up - Callaghan Bloomfield Linda Thank you so much for this generosity of spirit. Please look up Callaghan and Bloomfield Thank you. Deborah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane, Muster Roll of the Garrison of Derry 1642-43 John Boyd Henry Finch's Foot Minian Boyd ditto George Boyde Tristram Berisford's Foot Andrew Boyde Robert Thornton's Foot William Boyde Jasper Hartwell's Foot Defenders of Ireland 1689, etc Rev. Thomas Boyd of Aghadowey, Derry Presbyterian minister of Agahdowey Capt. Francis Boyd Capt James Boyd Shipquay Street, Derry. Killed by bomb falling on his house 5 June 1689. This family settled in Derry and Donegal in the 17th century and possessed the estate of Ballmacool near Letterkenny. Hope this helps! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Graham" <meregra@cableone.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:06:53 AM Subject: [S-I] "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691" Well Linda, I guess I will jump in here too, before you become so overloaded that you want to refuse to do any more. :) I have an interest in the suname BOYD in early Ulster. If you haven't all ready faded to gray.....I would appreciate a look up on them. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message