To pick up on what Laruen has just said I would like to propose that we form some teams within the Scot DNA study to focus on more specific areas of individual concerns. My Lamont family lore and DNA points to Dalridian background. Withing that group I am focusing on a smaller group called the "Anradan Kindred". "Acording to traditional Irish and Scottish pedigrees, several Scottish families share a common descent with the O'Neills of Ulster: The families in question are the MacSweeneys of Donegal in Ireland and in Scotland, Maclachlans, Lamonts, MacSorleys, McLeas, MacEwens of Otter, and included by some authorities, the MacNeills of Barra. These families have come to be called the Anradan kindred, because their pedigrees are deduced from a common ancestor named Anradan, said to be the son of Aedh Athlaman, the King of Aileach in northern Ireland, who died in 1033 A.D" quote from D. McLaughlin I am seeing some preliminary early DNA lts showing these realtionships to be worthy of closer study, more particpants are needed. Does this make sense to stay part of the larger Scot group yet get more focused groups? thanks George Young

To answer the last question, first...I think it would make sense to stay part of the larger group. We're all Scots and studies such as that would go far in answering the question of who the Scots really are. In the last few weeks, I've embarked on an effort to collect results from other Clans who are said to have descended from Airbertach as the MacMillan's are said to also descend. These clans would include the Clan Duff, MacQuarrie, MacKinnon, MacLennan and possibly Gregor. The MacMillans appear to have 2 main groups who make up 19 of our 37 R1b participants. The modals for the 2 groups have a calculated TMRCA in the area of 1500-1770 (50-75% prob) years bp which is long before Airbertach's time ~1200AD. One of the clans for which I've found results is Clan Duff. They've got a cluster they call Group 1 whose modal has a calculated TMRCA to the MacMillan group 2 of ~810 years bp with a 75% probability. Coincidence? What is also interesting is that Clan Duff's group 1, if you look a bit closer at the participants, seems to be sort of an interim group between the MacMillan group 1 and group 2. This is just a very preliminary look at results. I'm still collecting the data. I'd be very interested in finding data from Clan McKinnon and Clan MacQuarrie if anyone knows where I may find some. Graeme MacKenzie, Clan MacMillan's historian, suggests that they're two that have a more clear cut descent from Airbertach than maybe some others. David McMillan ----- Original Message ----- From: <OLDHIKER50@aol.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Dalridian group > > To pick up on what Laruen has just said I would like to propose that we > form > some teams within the Scot DNA study to focus on more specific areas of > individual concerns. > > My Lamont family lore and DNA points to Dalridian background. Withing > that > group I am focusing on a smaller group called the "Anradan Kindred". > "Acording to traditional Irish and Scottish pedigrees, several Scottish > families > share a common descent with the O'Neills of Ulster: The families in > question are > the MacSweeneys of Donegal in Ireland and in Scotland, Maclachlans, > Lamonts, > MacSorleys, McLeas, MacEwens of Otter, and included by some authorities, > the MacNeills of Barra. These families have come to be called the Anradan > kindred, because their pedigrees are deduced from a common ancestor named > Anradan, > said to be the son of Aedh Athlaman, the King of Aileach in northern > Ireland, who died in 1033 A.D" quote from D. McLaughlin > > I am seeing some preliminary early DNA lts showing these realtionships to > be > worthy of closer study, more particpants are needed. Does this make sense > to > stay part of the larger Scot group yet get more focused groups? > > thanks > George Young > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? > Visit the FAQ page: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Want to join the project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >