Hi Nelda, Yes, I belong to four other DNA mailing lists. I know more about Y than mtDNA, but find it all fascinating. Thanks for your offer to share your collateral Finley's with me. Not necessary but I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I would like to help the guy whose looking for his Thomas FINDLEY b.c. 1795 N.C. father of Andrew Jackson Findley b. 1830. I'm sure he will connect to my long line of Finley's eventually. We have a genetic distance of 2 steps. I think that's great that your Gilpin ySearch P333U has DYS464 as 15,15,16,17. Helps to set you apart from the crowd. Good luck to you in finding the origin of your Gilpin surname. I hope you'll let me know if ever you learn they went back to Alpin father of Kenneth McAlpin I. also called KENNETH MACALPIN (d. c. 858, Forteviot, Scot.). King of Albany 841-849 united Albany (Scotland)(Picts & Scots) into one kingdom. ............ Warmly, Linda