Hello Jim, I've already written to Nelda off-list, but thought I would share the following: I descend from Erc down to Macbeth’s mother Donada/Dovada, this through my maiden name FINLEY. ERC MacEochaid, Ruled in Dalriada Ireland 430 A.D. father of 1 Fergus Mor McErc, Ruled from 498 to 501 . father of 2 Domangart .. father of 3 Gabhran (King of Scots) ... 4 Aidan or Aedan MACGABRAN (King of Scots) (d. 608) .... during the reign of King Aedan mac Gabhrain. Aedan, the great grandson of Fergus, was crowned overking of Dalriada in 573, by no less a person than St Columba - a huge PR triumph for Aedan, giving his reign an extra symbolism that no pretender could hope to match, and also perhaps, sending out a signal to the neighbouring kingdoms that he had God, and certainly the head of the Celtic Church, on his side. 5 Eochaid Buide (King of Scots) ..... 6 Domnall or Donald BRECC (King of Scots) ...... 7 Domangart II (King of Scots) ....... 8 Eochaidh II (d. 696) (King of Scots) ........ 9 Eochaidh III (King of Scots) ........ 10 Aed Find (King of Scots) ......... 11 Eochaid (d. 781)(King of Scots) .......... 12 Alpin (King of Scots) ........... 13 Kenneth I McALPIN (b. 810; d. 860) - King of Albany 841-849 united Albany (Scotland)(Picts & Scots) into one kingdom. ............ 14 Constantine I, King of Albany 862 - 877 killed 877 ............. 15 Domhnull II (DONALD II), King of Albany 889 - 900 killed 900 .............. 16 MALCOLM I MacDonald, King of Albany b. abt. 880 killed 954 ............... 17 DUBHE (DUFF), King of Albany killed 967 ................ 18 KENNETH III King of Albany killed, Chief of Clan Duff, Killed 1005 ................. 19 BODHE, Chief of Clan Duff .................. 20 Gruoch (Lady MACBETH (Macbeth's wife)), She was a descendant of King Kenneth III (ruled 997-1005). Macbeth was killed in battle by Malcolm III, son of Duncan, with assistance from the English. Gruoch was Heiress of Clan Duff, granter of lands in Fife (with her husband Macbeth) .... she md. (1) +Gillacomgain ..................... 21 LULACH the Fool .................... She md. (2)+Macbeth Fionnladh ..................... (son of Findlaech McRuaidhri (FINLEY)) 21 First son ..................... 21 Macbeatha MCFINLAY (b. 1060 in Cromarty ; d. 1093) ............... Findlaech McRuaidhri FINLEY (d. 1020) Earl of Moray Ruled over western Scotland, was slain in 1020 to make MALCOLM II the sole king. ..................... same as McRuaidhri (Findlaech) Fionnladh (or McRuaidhri Finlegh or Finley Clan Fionnladh) b.c. 980 Scotland; d. 1020; McRuaidhri Finley Earl Moray, Chief the Clan Fionnladh, Ruled over western Scotland, was murdered in 1020 to make MALCOLM II the sole king. md. c. 1005 Donada Elmer CROCKETT, states the following: "In the year 1009, Momaar FINLEIGH or FINLEY of Moray, father of MACBETH, was the overlord of the tributary of the Manor of Morey or Moray." Donada/Dovada’s lineage goes back to Kenneth MacAlpin aka Kenneth I, King of Alba. It was his daughter Mael Muire who married Aed Findliath macNeill Caille, who was the 10th great grandson of Naill of the Nine Hostages. Findlaech McRuaidhri (FINLEY)) md. Donada/Dovada c. 1005 and were the parents of Macbeth Fionnladh b.c. 1005 Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland, who md. Gruoch (as her second husband). Warmly, Linda Finley Rogers-Fefferman Cathedral City, Calif. FLFeff@aol.com I'm an Organ Donor, are You? Member of _The FAIR Foundation_ (http://www.fairfoundation.org/Board/board.htm) _http://www.fairfoundation.org_ (http://www.fairfoundation.org/) For the Fair allocation of funds for disease research Co-owner/Group Moderator of _HeartTransplant@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:HeartTransplant@yahoogroups.com) Need a lung transplant Assistant manager: _HeartTransplantOrganDonationAwareness@groups.msn.com_ (mailto:HeartTransplantOrganDonationAwareness@groups.msn.com) http://groups.msn.com/HeartTransplantOrganDonationAwareness/_whatsnew.msnw Member: Presumed Consent Foundation - _http://www.presumedconsent.org/_ (http://www.presumedconsent.org/) Y-DNA Haplogroup I1b2* (of the A type, or I1b2*-A) (DYS455=10, 454=12) DYS448=19 subcluster ySearch.org ID# JYWUE Ybase.org ID# KLWG8 Relative Genetics ID# Z087384 FamilyTreeDNA ID# 52850 (DNA of my father Edward A. FINLEY) Finley Surname Project: _http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/findley/pats.html_ (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/findley/pats.html) Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree 2006 per International Organization of Genetic Genealogists Archaeological "A(dam)" A - M91 to BR - SRY10831.1 (SRY1532), M42, M94, M139, M299 (55,000 years ago N.E. Africa) CR - M168 (50,000 years ago), M294, P9 (common Ancestor of all people who migrated out of Africa, mutation occurred 31-55,000 ago) F- M89 (45,000 years ago), P14, M213) to IJ - S2, S22 (second wave out of Africa to Middle East 45,000 years ago) I - M170 (22,000 years ago) M258, P19 (DYS 388 = 13) I1 - P38 (DYS 426 = 11) I1b - S31 to I1b2 - S23, S30, S32, S33 to I1b2* - S23+, M223-, S24- (old I1b2* x cluster / I1x ) ( * =DYS 455 = 10*, DYS 454 = 12*) Genealogist since 1978: Tracing over 300 surnames including: Abbott,Ambrasius,Arndale,Barrier,Barringer,Bruen,Buchanan,Burchfield,Burr, Campbell,Canaday,Chambers,Chapman,Craigie,Creath,Cuthbert,D'Allain..... In a message dated 5/28/2006 2:11:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jimgordo1@aol.com writes: According to "The Clans, Septs & Regiments of the Scottish Highlands" by Frank Adam, the MacAlpin(e) name has only one variant - Alpin. It also states that not only are they now landless; but that the family of their chief has been lost sight of." It is conceivable that Gipin could be a corruption of MacAlpin; but it would be a very long stertch of the imagination to come up with that equation. Cheers, Jim Hi, I am trying to find a McAlpin, McAlpine/ MacAlpine Mac Alpin to compare some Gilpins to. Do you actually have any in your project and if so are they listed with y-search? I have been in contact with the Clan MacAlpine and they suggested that some Gilpins may in actuallity be name changes from MacAlpine.. Thanks Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member