Not so much by halplotype as that is a waste of time, but genetic markers at 25, 37 and beyond. I have discovered a Roberts of Welsh descent who matches a Williams. Thomas, Powell etc at 36/37 markers. That's because the tradition in Wales was that you took the first name of the father as last name of the son and this continued right up to C19 in some areas. The surname became fixed at different times in different branches with only a generation or two between them. Try and establish a non - paternal event in that situation! Then in Scotland you have clans of various septs that are meant to be related, and in some cases a segments of the clan does appear to share an ancestor. I was playing around with John Laird's King Colla Uais study <http://lairdgenealogy.com/KingCollaUaisDNA.html> and what it meant for a chunk Clan Donnachaidh participants. it was also a useful exercise in another way, since it clearly showed that I have a mutation at 448; Robertson at 464a and the Reid does not appear to have mutated at all. The rest is obvious. The only caution I would give is that Yserach is open to everyone and I have noticed that mistakes in entering the markers are sometimes made. Howard Wayne Roberts John Carr wrote: > Ysearch is a public database maintained by FTDNA that allows people > with YSTR DNA results to see who matches them by haplotype or by > surname. There are many people who have no matches, perhaps around 30 > to 50% of those tested, I am not sure of the statistics. Many > discussions have taken place about name adoption, Non-Paternal events > and such, so finding out that we do not match others in a surname > group we expect to is entirely possible. Searching for a connection > with those of other surnames but who match your haplotype is > discouraged, but there is always that small possibility of learning > something. I recall one individual who remarked to an aunt how his > DNA did match with others of his surname and she responded that > Grandpa was born with another surname, one his YDNA did match. Other > similar stories have come up as well. That is why I feel an open mind > is always a good idea. A haplotype match does not indicate > relatedness any more than a common surname. It is all in the family > history documentation. > > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > Ybase is another public YDNA database. > > http://www.ybase.org/ > > John Carr > > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:17 PM, William Vincent wrote: > >> John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is as >> it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know what >> the 12 markers are. Bill >> >> Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> >> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c >> >> >>> You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: >>> >>>> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >>>> Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >>>> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >>>> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >>>> auspices >>>> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >>>> identification. Am wondering >>>> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how >>>> to find >>>> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank >>>> you. Bill >>>> in Baltimore, MD, USA >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >>> John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will >>> provide a private answer. >>> Want to join the Project? Visit: >>> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >> of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >> in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >> for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >> necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >> submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. 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I forgot to include the link to my experiment <http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/colla>. Howard Wayne Roberts wrote: > Not so much by halplotype as that is a waste of time, but genetic > markers at 25, 37 and beyond. I have discovered a Roberts of Welsh > descent who matches a Williams. Thomas, Powell etc at 36/37 markers. > That's because the tradition in Wales was that you took the first name > of the father as last name of the son and this continued right up to > C19 in some areas. The surname became fixed at different times in > different branches with only a generation or two between them. Try and > establish a non - paternal event in that situation! > > Then in Scotland you have clans of various septs that are meant to be > related, and in some cases a segments of the clan does appear to share > an ancestor. I was playing around with John Laird's King Colla Uais > study <http://lairdgenealogy.com/KingCollaUaisDNA.html> and what it > meant for a chunk Clan Donnachaidh participants. it was also a useful > exercise in another way, since it clearly showed that I have a > mutation at 448; Robertson at 464a and the Reid does not appear to > have mutated at all. The rest is obvious. > > The only caution I would give is that Yserach is open to everyone and > I have noticed that mistakes in entering the markers are sometimes made. > > Howard Wayne Roberts > > > John Carr wrote: >> Ysearch is a public database maintained by FTDNA that allows people >> with YSTR DNA results to see who matches them by haplotype or by >> surname. There are many people who have no matches, perhaps around >> 30 to 50% of those tested, I am not sure of the statistics. Many >> discussions have taken place about name adoption, Non-Paternal events >> and such, so finding out that we do not match others in a surname >> group we expect to is entirely possible. Searching for a connection >> with those of other surnames but who match your haplotype is >> discouraged, but there is always that small possibility of learning >> something. I recall one individual who remarked to an aunt how his >> DNA did match with others of his surname and she responded that >> Grandpa was born with another surname, one his YDNA did match. Other >> similar stories have come up as well. That is why I feel an open >> mind is always a good idea. A haplotype match does not indicate >> relatedness any more than a common surname. It is all in the family >> history documentation. >> >> http://www.ysearch.org/ >> >> Ybase is another public YDNA database. >> >> http://www.ybase.org/ >> >> John Carr >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:17 PM, William Vincent wrote: >> >>> John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is >>> as it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know >>> what the 12 markers are. Bill >>> >>> Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> >>> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c >>> >>> >>>> You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: >>>> >>>>> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >>>>> Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >>>>> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >>>>> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >>>>> auspices >>>>> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >>>>> identification. Am wondering >>>>> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me >>>>> how to find >>>>> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank >>>>> you. Bill >>>>> in Baltimore, MD, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>> Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >>>> John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will >>>> provide a private answer. >>>> Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>> of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>> in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>> for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>> necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>> submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> Need to contact the list admin? >> Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >> Want to post?Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >> Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >> Want to join the Project? Visit: >> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. 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