Hi Wayne 1. Humans are closer to each other genetically than they are to chimpanzees. In fact humans are closer to each other genetically than chimpanzees are to each other, presumably implying that we descend from a quite small population of ancestors in relatively recent millenia. 2. I think your haplotype is R1b and quite close to the so called West Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH) which is the typical Y haplotype of most West European men? If so then the matches you show are not particularly close and could suggest quite ancient connections. The estimates of most common recent ancestor can go very wrong for people in this situaiton because you have so many people with this haplotype walking around that it becomes very likely that several different branches will mutate in the SAME direction, and thus appear more related than they are. Still, there might be a real link between some of these families, and testing more markers might make this more convincing. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Howard Wayne Roberts [mailto:wayne@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 6:47 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA But doesn't Chimpanzees have DNA that's 99% similar to that of humans? So does that make Adam a Chimpanzee, and do all primates descended from him? Couldn't it be that you need to go further back again to find Adam! This would suggest that it may have been rather unfair to cast him out of the garden of Eden, when he may not have had the cognitive thought process to handle the situation. I know it's a bit off subject, but it does seem that our DNA is quite similar between haplotypes, so much so that I am having problems confirming the home of my paternal Ancestor. The majority of surname matches strongly suggest Scotland , and I have close matches with Robertsons and Reids, but at the time of writing the divergence suggests about 700 years ago, and my family were in Gloucestershire in the 1530's! What confuses me is the growing number of continental surnames (although a number are American) whom I could not possibly share a common ancestor within the last 1000 years, unless through adoption and the like, and I think that's unlikely. This would seem to undermine the validity of my matches to variant surnames. My DNA markers between a Robertson and a Reid at 37 markers can be found here:- http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/dna Does anybody else find themselves in the same situation? Best wishes, Wayne CJMax wrote: > Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that > there was someone else besides Adam... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" > <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > >> Basic answers: >> >> 1. Nearly all of it. >> >> 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as >> the last >> common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path >> between >> this person and you. >> >> Regards >> Andrew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM >> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >> >> >> >> >> I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for >> me. >> >> What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? >> >> What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test >> and >> somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? >> >> Thanks >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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Hi everyone, First and foremost I would like to thank those who responded, including the information that humans are kinetically closer than chimpanzees. I more than appreciate that the West Atlantic Modal haplogroup is the most common throughout western Europe, but I think there are two ways of looking at that. My matches at 25 markers with a generic distance of one appear to be mostly Scottish:- http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/matches.jpg Swenson is Clan Gunn Reid is Clan Donnachaidh Fisher is Clan Campbell McLean is Clan McLean Phillips is Clan McDonnell of Keppoch Drew is probably the odd one out. In view of McDrew surname it could be short for Andrew of Clan Ross or Anderson Parr there is a Parr Clan tartan and a well know Scottish whiskey or could be a misspelling for Park of Clan MacDonald Johnson is Clan MacDonald or Gunn Hewitt Clan MacDonald Richey is Clan MacIntosh Buchanan is Clan Buchanan Glendening/Clendenin/Glenn is Clan Douglas and of course my own surname Roberts which is Clan Donnachaidh My DNA signature is close to the hypothesised Cholla - the progenitor of the MacDonalds even at 25 markers at a genetic distance of two, it's still predominantly Scottish with some Irish (i.e Maddon, Clancy and McTiernan) and a small handful of continentals. This is also were my Robertson matches enter the scene. The problem is, is that the Robertsons themselves are such a mixed bag genetically and those taking part in the Donnachaidh project are a mere drop in the ocean when you consider the number of people with the surname. With the Nordic matches their connection is even more tenible. My Roberts project co-coordinator is only a 27/37 match with a Reid, and has far more continental matches than I do! So even though I am a common Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype, my results would suggest that my paternal ancestor was Scottish. I now I may well seem defensive, but Stephanie Robertson project co-ordinator of the Clan Donnachaidh website has undermined my results from the very beginning, and I see no reason for it. Maybe it's because she doesn't want to accept that the Robertsons may well descend from the MacDonalds. I never grew up with any preconception. Happy Ester to one and all. Regards Wayne Andrew and Inge wrote: > Hi Wayne > > 1. Humans are closer to each other genetically than they are to chimpanzees. > In fact humans are closer to each other genetically than chimpanzees are to > each other, presumably implying that we descend from a quite small > population of ancestors in relatively recent millenia. > > 2. I think your haplotype is R1b and quite close to the so called West > Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH) which is the typical Y haplotype of most > West European men? If so then the matches you show are not particularly > close and could suggest quite ancient connections. The estimates of most > common recent ancestor can go very wrong for people in this situaiton > because you have so many people with this haplotype walking around that it > becomes very likely that several different branches will mutate in the SAME > direction, and thus appear more related than they are. Still, there might be > a real link between some of these families, and testing more markers might > make this more convincing. > > Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Wayne Roberts [mailto:wayne@connectfree.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 6:47 AM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > > But doesn't Chimpanzees have DNA that's 99% similar to that of humans? > So does that make Adam a Chimpanzee, and do all primates descended from > him? Couldn't it be that you need to go further back again to find Adam! > This would suggest that it may have been rather unfair to cast him out > of the garden of Eden, when he may not have had the cognitive thought > process to handle the situation. > > I know it's a bit off subject, but it does seem that our DNA is quite > similar between haplotypes, so much so that I am having problems > confirming the home of my paternal Ancestor. The majority of surname > matches strongly suggest Scotland , and I have close matches with > Robertsons and Reids, but at the time of writing the divergence suggests > about 700 years ago, and my family were in Gloucestershire in the 1530's! > > What confuses me is the growing number of continental surnames (although > a number are American) whom I could not possibly share a common ancestor > within the last 1000 years, unless through adoption and the like, and I > think that's unlikely. This would seem to undermine the validity of my > matches to variant surnames. My DNA markers between a Robertson and a > Reid at 37 markers can be found here:- > > http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/dna > > Does anybody else find themselves in the same situation? > > Best wishes, > > Wayne > > > CJMax wrote: > >> Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that >> there was someone else besides Adam... >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> "May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" >> <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM >> Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >> >> >> >>> Basic answers: >>> >>> 1. Nearly all of it. >>> >>> 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as >>> the last >>> common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path >>> between >>> this person and you. >>> >>> Regards >>> Andrew >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM >>> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for >>> me. >>> >>> What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? >>> >>> What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test >>> and >>> somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >>> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >>> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? >>> Visit the FAQ page: >>> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html >>> Want to join the project? Visit: >>> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily >> indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list >> is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating >> in a project. >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely > of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE > in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration > for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work > necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been > submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. 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