Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our DNA projects? Tei A. Gordon Administrator The Gordon DNA Project www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/>

Yes, Clan MacMillan for one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our > DNA > projects? > > > > Tei A. Gordon > > Administrator > > The Gordon DNA Project > > www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

And Clan Forbes, for another, as shown in the Forbes Project website sponsored by FTDNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/(arttel55gkvtw5b2muxq30ao)/public/forbes/index.aspx Interested parties please go to the "Y Results" tab, be patient for a few moments, and then you will see the color-coded y-DNA results from some 25 group members. "Group 1" represents those related in some way to the Clan Chief's line, represented by the current Master of Forbes who kindly agreed to submit to a 25-marker test. IF stats from this small sample group are any indication, it appears that up to 30% of males with the Forbes surname may be paternally connected to the original Forbes lineage, if that line is indeed represented by Master Malcolm Forbes's DNA, as we strongly suspect it is. I'd personally be really pleased if some of you with much more knowledge of the various markers, their mutations, and connections to Celtic roots, took the time to peruse this line and speculate on its origins, which appear to be much more "Irish" than "Scottish" if we believe the claimed roots of its members. The Irish nature of Forbes yDNA is consistent with Clan legend, for the progenitor is said to have sprung from a group of Irish lords who were sent to Scotland to help "police the Picts" circa 1200 AD. Several of us have submitted our yDNA markers to the SCOT-DNA project, where my own markers (FTDNA ID #3037) appear to line up with surnames like Stewart and Johnson, in addition to Forbes. Interestingly, I had my first 37-marker match (but w/ 4 mutations, I think) with someone outside the Forbes Clan a few days ago, and his surname is Ferguson. Coincidentally, one of the first given names from within the Clan Forbes around 1300 AD was a man named Fergus! Again, if someone wants to take a look and speculate on this old Scots line (which the DNA folks say is largely Celtic with Iberion roots), pls be our guest! Robert H. (Bob) Forbes, Jr. bforbes@carolina.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmcduke@comcast.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > Yes, Clan MacMillan for one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:31 AM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > > >> Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our >> DNA >> projects? >> >> >> >> Tei A. Gordon >> >> Administrator >> >> The Gordon DNA Project >> >> www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages > for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. > These questions can be responded to off list. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

I imagine a few chiefs might be a bit wary. It doesn't really matter to me if my DNA isn't what it should be but it could be embarrassing for a clan chief! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmcduke@comcast.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > Yes, Clan MacMillan for one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:31 AM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > > > > Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our > > DNA > > projects? > > > > > > > > Tei A. Gordon > > > > Administrator > > > > The Gordon DNA Project > > > > www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > > AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages > for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. > These questions can be responded to off list. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

The chief of Macnab doesn't think much of DNA testing but has allowed that he might consent to one if someone should make a large donation to the clan trust. Rather self serving in my estimation. If you-all will refer to my previous three part posting on the origins of the clans, it would not at all be a surprise to find that a chief's DNA results, particularly for the large clans, do not match those of his clansmen. MacDonald/MacDougal for example since clans were willing to "adopt in" persons who were clan less. Then too, many families who claim to belong to a clan by virtue of their surname will have arisen spontaneously, by virtue of an ancestor having that name at the time their surname became fixed. Again Donald son of Donald comes to mind. David Rorer > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob MacLean [mailto:bobmacleanuk@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:21 AM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > > I imagine a few chiefs might be a bit wary. It doesn't really matter to me > if my DNA isn't what it should be but it could be embarrassing for a clan > chief! :-) > > >

Certainly the chiefly family of one of the oldest of titles, the Barons of Bachuil, heads of the Clan MacLea or "Highland Livingstone" clan are. I understand quite a few projects now have chiefly families in. ...but more are needed! Best Regards Andrew Lancaster (admin of the project associated with that clan) -----Original Message----- From: Tei A. Gordon [mailto:tagordon@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:32 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our DNA projects? Tei A. Gordon Administrator The Gordon DNA Project www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I should have mentioned the website: http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Discussion%20Maclea.htm The chiefly clan are amongst the R1b "Scots" haplotypes as are many of the clan leaders. One goal I think many of the clans are working on is trying to use more markers to determine whether this is just a coincidence. (Perhaps up to 20% of Scottish men might be in this group.) Interesting markers for our chiefs include YCAII (19-22 instead of 19-24) and C4 (25). I understand at least some Buchanans share the latter unusual result, but the 19-22 is quite far from what the other chiefs have. What are others seeing now as more markers come in? Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Andrew and Inge [mailto:andrew.en.inge@skynet.be] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 5:55 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation Certainly the chiefly family of one of the oldest of titles, the Barons of Bachuil, heads of the Clan MacLea or "Highland Livingstone" clan are. I understand quite a few projects now have chiefly families in. ...but more are needed! Best Regards Andrew Lancaster (admin of the project associated with that clan) -----Original Message----- From: Tei A. Gordon [mailto:tagordon@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:32 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our DNA projects? Tei A. Gordon Administrator The Gordon DNA Project www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Clan Macpherson are in discussion as to joining this field of research and the clan chief Cluny is not averse to the idea. www.clan-macpherson.org Jimmy McPherson Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tei A. Gordon" <tagordon@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation > Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of our > DNA > projects? > > > > Tei A. Gordon > > Administrator > > The Gordon DNA Project > > www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 31/08/2006 > >

The Kerr Clan is now led by an Innes, since the Kerr's daughtered out long ago. We do have American participants who believe they can trace their ancestry to the Kerr Chiefs of the 1500's, so it would be great if known living descendants of these lines would join the Carr project, but none have so far. The Kerr Clan Chief is on record as saying he thinks DNA testing is not ready yet. John Carr On Sep 1, 2006, at 1:31 AM, Tei A. Gordon wrote: > Just curious whether there are any Clan Chiefs represented in any of > our DNA > projects? > > > > Tei A. Gordon > > Administrator > > The Gordon DNA Project > > www.TheGordonDNAproject.com <http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers- > RootsWeb.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >