Do you mean James VI when you say: Tanistry was abolished by a legal decision in the reign of James I and the English land system substituted. ---------------------------------------- > From: drorer@fuse.net > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chiefs > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:34:23 -0400 > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > There is also the institution of Tanistry which is still followed to some > extent. See below from http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Tanistry > > TANISTRY (from Gaelic tana, lordship), a custom among various Celtic tribes, by > which the king or chief of the clan was chosen from among the heads of the septs > and elected by them in full assembly. He held office for life and was required > by custom to be of full age, in possession of all his faculties and without any > remarkable blemish of mind or body. At the same time, and subject to the same > conditions, a tanist or next heir to the chieftaincy was elected, who if the > king died or became disqualified, at once became king. Usually the king's son > became tanist, but not because the system of primogeniture was in any way > recognized; indeed, the only principle adopted was that the dignity of > chieftainship should descend to the eldest and most worthy of the same blood. > These epithets, as Hallam says, were not necessarily synonymous, but merely > indicated that the preference given to seniority was to be controlled by a due > regard to desert (Constit. Hist., vol. iii. c. xviii.). This. system of > succession left the headship open to the ambitious, and was a frequent source of > strife both in families and between the clans. Tanistry was abolished by a legal > decision in the reign of James I and the English land system substituted. > > Note: the Encylopedia Brittanica notwithstanding, Adam in Clans, Septs etc. > states that Tanistry is still a part of Scots heraldic and clan law. I know that > in 1954, when Archibald Corrie Macnab was recognized as the 22nd chief of the > clan, his wife renounced the Tanistry of Macleod, which she appears to have had > by right of her mother who was Dame Flora MacLeod of MacLeod. (see The Clans, > Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlans by Frank Adam) > > David Rorer > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Carr [mailto:jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:30 PM > > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chiefs > > > > Yes, that is what we call daughtered out, when the only descendants are > > daughters. In that case, the title may pass to the daughter's husband > > or their eldest son. If there are no children or brothers, title could > > pass far afield to whomever is determined to be next of kin. There is > > also the possibility of the title being reassigned to an unrelated > > person as a reward. In those cases the YDNA of the chieftain changes > > to the new paternal line. Thus having the living Clan Chieftain's YDNA > > is less important than having YDNA from a documented male who descends > > paternally from the line you believe you descend from also. > > > > John Carr > > > > On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Win MacKenzie wrote: > > > > > Isn't it also true that some Clan Chiefs are NOT from the paternal > > > line? > > > If there was no male heir didn't a grandson (of a daughter) take the > > > name and > > > whatever title ? > > > Isn't that what took place with the Munros of Foulis ? > > > And MacKenzies (correct me if I'm wrong on this one.) > > > Win MacKenzie > > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > > > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! 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