Hi to Andrew et al, Curiously, while my Livingston father's side seems to come up solid Rib (Poropotank), my Campbell mother is from solid R1a and connects closely with all my local Campbell relatives, all with the Campbell surname, back to the 1760s in Maryland/Accomack. Earlier than ~1760 there seem to be no Campbell DNA connections although the paper trail is believed to be known back to ~1700. The DNA samples from my Campbell cousins seem to attach to no earlier Campbells outside my known paper trails. All the DNA similarities seem to fall with Couch/Crouch, Carter, Morrell/Merrill, Kee lines and scattered others. The number of Couch/Crouch connections seems to overwhelm the others; all the non-Campbells are presumably accidental. Julian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation | It's my impression that indeed most clans show a lot of diversity. In other | words DNA is showing that they are really many male lines, not one. However | some clans show that one male line was numerically dominant, possibly | because some ancient patriarch really did have lots of male descendents as | in the popular imagination concerning clans. I am wondering if Campbell is | like this, based on what I have seen so far. | | Macdonald is interesting because there is the famous R1a haplotype which | seems to be Somerled's but also many other haplotypes which I guess are not | all coming from subservient or follower families. For example Somerled may | have married into an older family, forming a new Y dynasty. My guess is that | this happened in many clans, but it is not always so clear in the DNA yet. | | We should however be cautious about saying, for example, that all people in | one clan within big haplogroups like the so-called Scots type are therefore | obviously descended from one patriarch. | | Regards | Andrew | | -----Original Message----- | From: David Rorer [mailto:drorer@fuse.net] | Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2006 1:14 AM | To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Clan Chief participation | | | The chief of Macnab doesn't think much of DNA testing but has allowed that | he | might consent to one if someone should make a large donation to the clan | trust. | Rather self serving in my estimation. | | If you-all will refer to my previous three part posting on the origins of | the | clans, it would not at all be a surprise to find that a chief's DNA results, | particularly for the large clans, do not match those of his clansmen. | MacDonald/MacDougal for example since clans were willing to "adopt in" | persons | who were clan less. Then too, many families who claim to belong to a clan by | virtue of their surname will have arisen spontaneously, by virtue of an | ancestor | having that name at the time their surname became fixed. Again Donald son of | Donald comes to mind. | | | ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== | THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely | of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE | in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration | for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work | necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been | submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx | |