Sorry folks, my Scotch-Irishman's descendant came up with Haplogroup E3b. Not what I expected either! Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Dear Richard The most common SNP-defined haplogroup in Scotland is R1b1c, which is a branch of R1b1, which is a branch of R1b, etc. The second most common is I1a, which is of course a branch of I. So the only ununusual news is the K, which seems to be more common in the Mediterranean than in Britain. Nevertheless it is present there. I believe Thomas Jefferson was one. Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Reddick [mailto:rdreddick@charter.net] Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 9:30 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com: In studying our growing R320 DNA project results, notice two "Haplotype" categories seem dominant for those of known Scot or Scot-Irish ancestry: "I" and "R1b1" There is also "R1b" and "R1b1c" represented and one new report indicating "K2." A couple of the project members have ordered the "SNP" analysis which confirmed "I" and R1b1." Questions: Are these the more common Haplos for Scotland? What does the SNP analysis report really tell us about our origins? What is the significance of matches to other surnames (most numerous seem to be several 37 markers exact matches to Bingham/Bigham/Bigum)? The genealogy DNA firms represented are FTDNA and EA (EthnoAncestry). Our project page also includes those with Germanic origins: <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www.fami lytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx Thanks, Richard D. Reddick ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. These questions can be responded to off list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Kay E3b is not the most common haplotype in Scotland, but it is also certainly not "foreign" in the sense that it appears to have been in Britain for a very long time. I suspect it is more common in lowland areas than highland areas though. This would make sense because it seems to have entered Europe with the first farmers and potters from the Middle East. What is the surname? Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: N & K Chestnut [mailto:nkopportunity@gorge.net] Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 2:03 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Sorry folks, my Scotch-Irishman's descendant came up with Haplogroup E3b. Not what I expected either! Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Dear Richard The most common SNP-defined haplogroup in Scotland is R1b1c, which is a branch of R1b1, which is a branch of R1b, etc. The second most common is I1a, which is of course a branch of I. So the only ununusual news is the K, which seems to be more common in the Mediterranean than in Britain. Nevertheless it is present there. I believe Thomas Jefferson was one. Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Reddick [mailto:rdreddick@charter.net] Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 9:30 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com: In studying our growing R320 DNA project results, notice two "Haplotype" categories seem dominant for those of known Scot or Scot-Irish ancestry: "I" and "R1b1" There is also "R1b" and "R1b1c" represented and one new report indicating "K2." A couple of the project members have ordered the "SNP" analysis which confirmed "I" and R1b1." Questions: Are these the more common Haplos for Scotland? What does the SNP analysis report really tell us about our origins? What is the significance of matches to other surnames (most numerous seem to be several 37 markers exact matches to Bingham/Bigham/Bigum)? The genealogy DNA firms represented are FTDNA and EA (EthnoAncestry). Our project page also includes those with Germanic origins: <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www.fa mi lytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx Thanks, Richard D. Reddick ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. These questions can be responded to off list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Andrew - the surname was SMITH, Robert born 25 Dec 1778 Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland [the 25th of Dec. was reported from his son, Robert Black SMITH's descendant, supposedly the same birthday as the son] married Martha EAKIN, dau. of John EAKIN & Margaret POSTEN/POSTEM, about 1815 same area as Robert's birth. I don't seem to know exactly when Robert and his family came to America. I have before me a transcription of the 1850 census - Pennsylvania, Butler Co., Venango Twp. [dwelling 589 & family 595] Robert SMITH age 59 b. Ireland, Martha age 57 b. Ireland, William age 24 b. Ireland, Mary J. age 17 b. PA. and David age 14 b. PA. Martha died about 1863 (tombstone difficult to read). On the 1880 census Robert is with married dau. Mary Jane [EAKIN, by marriage]in Venango Co., PA. Robert's age is 96 and occupation is weaver. Robert SMITH died 16 Mar 1881 Scrubgrass Twp., Venango Co., PA. If his birth year really was 1778, Robert was over 100 years old, which was repeated by descendants of several of his children. Robert's sons were named - John Eakin SMITH, Robert Black SMITH, William M. SMITH & David G. SMITH. At least one descendant reported that Robert SMITH's mother was - Ann MITCHELL. A descendant of David G. SMITH has yDNA in the N.E. SMITH Project of U.S.A., and so far matches with no one. A "y-search" showing genetic distance of 1 [with only 12 markers]is a GOLDSMITH with an origin of Warsaw, Poland. Our participant did 37 markers. Any suggestions? Kay C. - contact person for the SMITH cousin ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Hi Kay E3b is not the most common haplotype in Scotland, but it is also certainly not "foreign" in the sense that it appears to have been in Britain for a very long time. I suspect it is more common in lowland areas than highland areas though. This would make sense because it seems to have entered Europe with the first farmers and potters from the Middle East. What is the surname? Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: N & K Chestnut [mailto:nkopportunity@gorge.net] Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 2:03 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Sorry folks, my Scotch-Irishman's descendant came up with Haplogroup E3b. Not what I expected either! Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Dear Richard The most common SNP-defined haplogroup in Scotland is R1b1c, which is a branch of R1b1, which is a branch of R1b, etc. The second most common is I1a, which is of course a branch of I. So the only ununusual news is the K, which seems to be more common in the Mediterranean than in Britain. Nevertheless it is present there. I believe Thomas Jefferson was one. Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Reddick [mailto:rdreddick@charter.net] Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 9:30 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com: In studying our growing R320 DNA project results, notice two "Haplotype" categories seem dominant for those of known Scot or Scot-Irish ancestry: "I" and "R1b1" There is also "R1b" and "R1b1c" represented and one new report indicating "K2." A couple of the project members have ordered the "SNP" analysis which confirmed "I" and R1b1." Questions: Are these the more common Haplos for Scotland? What does the SNP analysis report really tell us about our origins? What is the significance of matches to other surnames (most numerous seem to be several 37 markers exact matches to Bingham/Bigham/Bigum)? The genealogy DNA firms represented are FTDNA and EA (EthnoAncestry). Our project page also includes those with Germanic origins: <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www.fa mi lytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx Thanks, Richard D. Reddick ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. These questions can be responded to off list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

If you are interested in this I would suggest looking around at who your closest matches are. Try www.ysearch.org, http://smgf.org, www.ybase.org, www.yhrd.org. You could also join and/or contact the E3b project which is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/freemanDNAProject/index.aspx . They are trying to classify the main variants. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: N & K Chestnut [mailto:nkopportunity@gorge.net] Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 3:57 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Haplogroup E3b - SMITH Andrew - the surname was SMITH, Robert born 25 Dec 1778 Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland [the 25th of Dec. was reported from his son, Robert Black SMITH's descendant, supposedly the same birthday as the son] married Martha EAKIN, dau. of John EAKIN & Margaret POSTEN/POSTEM, about 1815 same area as Robert's birth. I don't seem to know exactly when Robert and his family came to America. I have before me a transcription of the 1850 census - Pennsylvania, Butler Co., Venango Twp. [dwelling 589 & family 595] Robert SMITH age 59 b. Ireland, Martha age 57 b. Ireland, William age 24 b. Ireland, Mary J. age 17 b. PA. and David age 14 b. PA. Martha died about 1863 (tombstone difficult to read). On the 1880 census Robert is with married dau. Mary Jane [EAKIN, by marriage]in Venango Co., PA. Robert's age is 96 and occupation is weaver. Robert SMITH died 16 Mar 1881 Scrubgrass Twp., Venango Co., PA. If his birth year really was 1778, Robert was over 100 years old, which was repeated by descendants of several of his children. Robert's sons were named - John Eakin SMITH, Robert Black SMITH, William M. SMITH & David G. SMITH. At least one descendant reported that Robert SMITH's mother was - Ann MITCHELL. A descendant of David G. SMITH has yDNA in the N.E. SMITH Project of U.S.A., and so far matches with no one. A "y-search" showing genetic distance of 1 [with only 12 markers]is a GOLDSMITH with an origin of Warsaw, Poland. Our participant did 37 markers. Any suggestions? Kay C. - contact person for the SMITH cousin ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Hi Kay E3b is not the most common haplotype in Scotland, but it is also certainly not "foreign" in the sense that it appears to have been in Britain for a very long time. I suspect it is more common in lowland areas than highland areas though. This would make sense because it seems to have entered Europe with the first farmers and potters from the Middle East. What is the surname? Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: N & K Chestnut [mailto:nkopportunity@gorge.net] Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 2:03 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Sorry folks, my Scotch-Irishman's descendant came up with Haplogroup E3b. Not what I expected either! Kay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew and Inge To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" Dear Richard The most common SNP-defined haplogroup in Scotland is R1b1c, which is a branch of R1b1, which is a branch of R1b, etc. The second most common is I1a, which is of course a branch of I. So the only ununusual news is the K, which seems to be more common in the Mediterranean than in Britain. Nevertheless it is present there. I believe Thomas Jefferson was one. Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Reddick [mailto:rdreddick@charter.net] Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 9:30 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com: In studying our growing R320 DNA project results, notice two "Haplotype" categories seem dominant for those of known Scot or Scot-Irish ancestry: "I" and "R1b1" There is also "R1b" and "R1b1c" represented and one new report indicating "K2." A couple of the project members have ordered the "SNP" analysis which confirmed "I" and R1b1." Questions: Are these the more common Haplos for Scotland? What does the SNP analysis report really tell us about our origins? What is the significance of matches to other surnames (most numerous seem to be several 37 markers exact matches to Bingham/Bigham/Bigum)? The genealogy DNA firms represented are FTDNA and EA (EthnoAncestry). Our project page also includes those with Germanic origins: <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www. fa mi lytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx Thanks, Richard D. Reddick ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. These questions can be responded to off list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599& ta rgetid=5429 ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Mailing List archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Subscription to this list is free, as are all of Rootsweb's resources. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx