I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com >

Jim, I have not receeived anything recently, as well. Just a quiet list. Dave >I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? > > James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > >

Seeing as it is so quiet I will awaken you slightly with a small message. I have only just joined this group, and am seeking to get the Chisholm surname project group to become a project supported and promoted by the Clan Chisholm Council. My result should add a bit more variety to the Scots DNA, as it is showing as a relative rarity in the British Isles. As yet we cant tell if my result is indicative of the Clan, which is a Highland Clan but with Border origins, and with unproven pre-Scottish history as being Norman out of Tynedale. My Haplogroup will be confirmed before Christmas but marker results are following very closely the model for I1b1a (formerly I1b2) as worked out by Ken Nordvedt. Robert Chisholm -----Original Message----- From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 1:08 p.m. To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news Jim, I have not receeived anything recently, as well. Just a quiet list. Dave >I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? > > James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 4:07 p.m.

Robert I'm going to take a 'flight of fancy' and suggest an origin for your surname - Chisholm. Strange though it may seem, your Borders origin may be highly significant and possibly dates back to early Anglo-Saxon times. You might first want to look at my website (www.geocities.com/djham@btinternet.com) as background to my reasoning. I believe I have located the origin of the surnames Kidd and Beatty (possibly Aidan, Adda, Patrick, Colman,Cuthbert) as the Borders area. St Aidan of Lindisfarne sent out 4 of his monk-priest disciples (Adda, Betti, Cedd, Diuma) on a mission in 653AD to convert all England to Christianity, and with baptism came the naming of families (in the style of the Roman convention - true Romans abandoned Britain in 410AD, returning to their homeland, Celtic/European auxiliaries probably stayed in Britain). Many strange Borders haplotypes may originate from the Roman auxiliaries who stayed. If you break down the surname Chisholm into its principle parts Chis/holm we could well venture an interpretation that the meaning is Christ's/Island. See website http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/oeme_dictionaries.htm extract : holm [] m (-es/-as) wave, sea, ocean, water; (in prose, esp. in place names) island (esp. in a river or creek) Northumbria was THE centre of early Anglo-Saxon Britain both politically and religously, and Bamburgh was the capital. Lindisfarne represented the focus of Celtic monastic life, and the training of early monk-priests to convert England to Christianity (Ref. Venerable Bede). As shown by 'The Book of Kells', contemporary with the 'Lindisfarne Gospels', Chi-Rho symbology was strongly at the forefront in this era (viz. Emperor Constantine, St Patrick>Celtic Cross), and my belief is that the surname Cedd quickly evolved to Chide within Anglo-Saxon times, because of the alusion to Christ and Christian baptism. Only in Norman times did the surname/placename Kidd/Kidderminster evolve (letter 'K' rarely used in Old English). Hence Chi = first letter (ecclesiastical Roman/Greek) of Christ's name, pronounced with a hard 'K' sound - only after Norman conquest did Ch sound with a soft 'tch' sound (in OE, Cea was the 'tch' sound, as with Cedd's younger brother Ceadd, St Chad). If Lindisfarne = Christ's Island, a local family of the Borders area might well use that as a surname/family name. It would have been pronounced 'kysholm' in Anglo-Saxon Britain and 'tchisholm' in Norman Britain. Maybe they even originated on Lindisfarne itself, after the island had lost its use as a monastic site eg at the Viking raids? Regards Derek Ham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chisholm" <nikaudesign@clear.net.nz> To: <scot-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news: Some new news, dont know if its good or bad or irrelevant. > Seeing as it is so quiet I will awaken you slightly with a small message. > I > have only just joined this group, and am seeking to get the Chisholm > surname > project group to become a project supported and promoted by the Clan > Chisholm Council. My result should add a bit more variety to the Scots > DNA, > as it is showing as a relative rarity in the British Isles. As yet we cant > tell if my result is indicative of the Clan, which is a Highland Clan but > with Border origins, and with unproven pre-Scottish history as being > Norman > out of Tynedale. My Haplogroup will be confirmed before Christmas but > marker results are following very closely the model for I1b1a (formerly > I1b2) as worked out by Ken Nordvedt. > > Robert Chisholm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of David > Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 1:08 p.m. > To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news > > > Jim, > > I have not receeived anything recently, as well. Just a quiet list. > > Dave > > >>I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? >> >> James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 > 4:07 p.m. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Refresh my memory. How well do I know you? -----Original Message----- From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mcpherson Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:52 PM To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello James! You're still on the list, as I also received your e-mail. -- Adele/Seattle -----Original Message----- From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Roberts Sent: December 05, 2006 6:50 PM To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news Refresh my memory. How well do I know you? -----Original Message----- From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mcpherson Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:52 PM To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message