it is interesting though! ---------------------------------------- > From: djham@btinternet.com > To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:03:06 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news: Some new news, dont know if its good or bad or irrelevant. > > Robert > > I'm going to take a 'flight of fancy' and suggest an origin for your > surname - Chisholm. > Strange though it may seem, your Borders origin may be highly significant > and possibly dates back to early Anglo-Saxon times. > You might first want to look at my website > (www.geocities.com/djham@btinternet.com) as background to my reasoning. > I believe I have located the origin of the surnames Kidd and Beatty > (possibly Aidan, Adda, Patrick, Colman,Cuthbert) as the Borders area. > St Aidan of Lindisfarne sent out 4 of his monk-priest disciples (Adda, > Betti, Cedd, Diuma) on a mission in 653AD to convert all England to > Christianity, and with baptism came the naming of families (in the style of > the Roman convention - true Romans abandoned Britain in 410AD, returning to > their homeland, Celtic/European auxiliaries probably stayed in Britain). > Many strange Borders haplotypes may originate from the Roman auxiliaries who > stayed. > If you break down the surname Chisholm into its principle parts Chis/holm we > could well venture an interpretation that the meaning is Christ's/Island. > See website http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/oeme_dictionaries.htm > > extract : holm [] m (-es/-as) wave, sea, ocean, water; (in prose, esp. in > place names) island (esp. in a river or creek) > > Northumbria was THE centre of early Anglo-Saxon Britain both politically and > religously, and Bamburgh was the capital. > Lindisfarne represented the focus of Celtic monastic life, and the training > of early monk-priests to convert England to Christianity (Ref. Venerable > Bede). > As shown by 'The Book of Kells', contemporary with the 'Lindisfarne > Gospels', Chi-Rho symbology was strongly at the forefront in this era (viz. > Emperor Constantine, St Patrick>Celtic Cross), and my belief is that the > surname Cedd quickly evolved to Chide within Anglo-Saxon times, because of > the alusion to Christ and Christian baptism. Only in Norman times did the > surname/placename Kidd/Kidderminster evolve (letter 'K' rarely used in Old > English). > Hence Chi = first letter (ecclesiastical Roman/Greek) of Christ's name, > pronounced with a hard 'K' sound - only after Norman conquest did Ch sound > with a soft 'tch' sound (in OE, Cea was the 'tch' sound, as with Cedd's > younger brother Ceadd, St Chad). > > If Lindisfarne = Christ's Island, a local family of the Borders area might > well use that as a surname/family name. It would have been pronounced > 'kysholm' in Anglo-Saxon Britain and 'tchisholm' in Norman Britain. Maybe > they even originated on Lindisfarne itself, after the island had lost its > use as a monastic site eg at the Viking raids? > > Regards > Derek Ham > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Chisholm" <nikaudesign@clear.net.nz> > To: <scot-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news: Some new news, dont know if its > good or bad or irrelevant. > > > > Seeing as it is so quiet I will awaken you slightly with a small message. > > I > > have only just joined this group, and am seeking to get the Chisholm > > surname > > project group to become a project supported and promoted by the Clan > > Chisholm Council. My result should add a bit more variety to the Scots > > DNA, > > as it is showing as a relative rarity in the British Isles. As yet we cant > > tell if my result is indicative of the Clan, which is a Highland Clan but > > with Border origins, and with unproven pre-Scottish history as being > > Norman > > out of Tynedale. My Haplogroup will be confirmed before Christmas but > > marker results are following very closely the model for I1b1a (formerly > > I1b2) as worked out by Ken Nordvedt. > > > > Robert Chisholm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of David > > Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 1:08 p.m. > > To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I have not receeived anything recently, as well. Just a quiet list. > > > > Dave > > > > > >>I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? > >> > >> James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 > > 4:07 p.m. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. 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