Dear All: The 1st update of the Year 2006 is now posted in the web site files. This is a "split screen" version of the 26 Sept 2006 Scot DNA Database. You can remove the split screen by merely going under the Tabs on the top and remove the splits. This database contains over 1100 samples. We are still in need of a Excel wizard to try and complete the grouping of Haplotypes. It appears to me, based on some email from some experts, that Fluxus may be the way to go. To determine if there is a potential match ...you would merely: A: Add your specific DNA results in line 16 B: Scroll the screen to each DNA entry to compare the results. There is also the capability of using the arrows to set a particular group of test scores in the box and that will then bring up all tests that match that particular setting. Charlotte Broun gets the credit for this particular creative method :-). Be careful to note that you are then rearranging all the entries so only change one entry at a time to compare results. Some of you may also have results from other Labs and also want to be included in this database . You can send your test results to DNACLANS@brigadoon.net or to Marsha at: rms54549@tca.net She will then convert to the standard format for the database. The new web site at Family Tree will provide some increased visibility on those tests that were completed at the Family Tree Lab. The big advantage is the automatic notice of close matches with other results that are registered there. Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@brigadoon.net

Dear All: Welcome to the Scottish Clans DNA Project. A brief outline of the Scottish Clans DNA project is below and you can also see these details at: www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.htm www.scottishdna.net I've also posted some interesting links and links to the various DNA status reports from a number of the Scottish Clans and Families. There is also a new web site at Family Tree DNA. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna. This web site will now publish all DNA test results where the person has been tested at FamilyTree DNA and authorized the public display of those records in our Scottish Clans DNA project. You can also join our Scottish Clans DNA project here as well if your main DNA test was done under a Surname project for instance. Your records are also then compared to the other records on this web site and a notice of a match is sent to you automatically as other people submit tests or join our Scottish Clans Project. These web sites will also continue to carry the oveall description of the project and status reports. www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.html www.scottishdna.net The private web site at www.myfamily.com will continue to carry the entire database ( 1100 results) and the associated detailed genealogy files, and other reference materials. I've also included links to the Scottish Clans and Families at Electric Scotland. Alastair McIntyre has graciously allowed us to provide those links for a general genealogy background on most of the Scottish Clans & Families. Some of the reports also include an update on the specific DNA testing programs for those groups. He publishes a weekly letter as well that is very timely and interesting ( even sometimes humorous). http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/index.html Detailed List: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/clanmenu.htm There are 4 components to the total Project. You can select any or all of these items as you wish. There is no requirement for example, to do the DNA testing in our project. We only provide this service as a means to be able to have potential contributors obtain the discounts that are available to all registered Surname and Geographic projects. A: The testing at Family Tree DNA. If you request the DNA kit through our project then I get access to the records. Your records are then compared to the other records and a notice of a match is sent to you automatically. You can also request to join the Scottish Clans DNA project from another project so your records are then compared with the other test results in the Scottish Clans DNA database. Family Tree is now allowing people to have their results listed in several DNA projects. You can click on the link below to begin the process for your DNA test at Family Tree DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=R56404 Please look carefully at the various tests that are available. We are, in general, recommending the 25 or the new 37 marker test in order to establish more meaningful results. The 12 marker test can provide some initial indications of a negative or non - connection, but is usually too general to indicate any positive relationships. However, You are welcome to send in a 12 marker test for comparison. There are mtDNA results coming in now as well , but it is still early in that process so there is fewer results to compare to yet. It is very beneficial to get your results listed for future reference. You may already have DNA results, or once you get your results and then want to share in the database. You would then merely forward to Marsha at the email address : rms54549@tca.net <mailto:rms54549@tca.net> She will translate those results into the format that is used in the database. However, we do not automatically include any of those records in our database until the person submits them to Marsha and also gives us permission to publish them as described in item D below. B: The mailing list as administered by Lauren Boyd. You would join the mailing list in the normal way by sending an email to: SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com> with the one word : Subscribe in the body of the message. There is also a wealth of info available ( 3 years of research reports and analysis) in these mailing list archives are at www.rootsweb.com <http://www.rootsweb.com> C: The Web site as administered by Charlotte Braun. There are lots of records, genealogy trees, advices, and misc information. The main database ( 1100 Scottish DNA tests) are available through this web site. The web site is available by sending a email to Charlotte Broun at: cbroun@primus.com.au <mailto:cbroun@primus.com.au> or to DNACLANS@brigadoon.net D: The "database" as administered by Marsha. This is then posted on the private web site for everyone. We do this since it is only accessed by people we know and not just the general public ( ala a general web site). We would also appreciate it very much if you would let other Scottish Descendants and Clan members know of our group. Please feel free to forward this posting to anyone ( or group) that you think might be interested. Thanks again for joining and sharing. Best Regards John A Hansen jahansen@brigadoon.net Scottish Clans Project Admin

Dear All: There is new change in the posting of DNA results on the Scottish Clans DNA project. ( Note this is not the Scotland DNA project). The web site at Family Tree DNA. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna will now publish all DNA test results where the person has authorized the public display of those records in our Scottish Clans DNA project. Each person that is in the current private database and have had their DNA tested at Family Tree DNA can now have their DNA test results made public by going to this web page and requesting to join the Scottish Clans project. If you request the DNA kit through the Scottish Clans project then I get access to the records. Your records are also then compared to the other records on this web site and a notice of a match is sent to you automatically. These web sites will continue to carry the oveall description of the project and status reports. www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.html www.scottishdna.net The private web site at www.myfamily.com will continue to carry the entire database ( 1100 results) and the associated genealogy files, and other reference materials. You can also request to join the Scottish Clans DNA project from another project so your records are then also compared with the other test results in the Family Tree DNA database. Family Tree is now allowing people to have their results listed in several DNA projects. However, we do not automatically include any of those records in our private database until the person submits them to Marsha and also gives us permission to publish them as described in below. Best Regards John A Hansen Project Admin

===================================================================== GENEALOGY GOULASH "GOOD DEEDS SHOULD BE REWARDED," by Paula Stuart-Warren, CG ===================================================================== Most genealogical and historical societies have volunteers whose dedication year after year keeps the organization running. These are the folks who have indexed, transcribed, or written articles about records that help the rest of us. It may be the person who steps up to the plate whenever a volunteer is needed. Is it time for them to receive some public recognition? AWARDS FOR SERVICE Genealogical and historical societies worldwide present awards for service. Some have a committee that identify and choose the winners; others request nominations for consideration. In some cases the nominees must be a society member, but others are presented to non- members. Some awards are awarded posthumously. Others are given to the individuals, organizations, libraries, historical societies, and archives that continue to serve. DO YOU WANT TO NOMINATE SOMEONE OR SOME ORGANIZATION? Look at the genealogical and historical societies of which you are a member. Does its publication list award winners and ask for nominees? Check the websites of other local, state, and national level societies. For example, the sites of the Missouri State Genealogical Association (http://mosga.missouri.org/Awards.html) and the Indiana Genealogical Society (http://www.indgensoc.org/awards.html) detail awards and request submissions. Not all societies include awards on their site. If you can't find information, contact the society via e-mail or regular mail. The basic format is that once awards are submitted an awards committee reviews those and makes the final decisions. There are times when an individual member or two do recognize all that a specific member has done for an organization. However the society's current board members may not know the full extent of the contributions of a long-time volunteer. THE FEDERATION OF GENEALOGICAL SOCIETIES FGS has several categories of awards for individuals and organizations. Full details are on the FGS website http://www.fgs.org/fgs-awards.htm. That site states these awards "recognize and thank individuals and organizations who make significant contributions" and that "they illustrate the many things that can, and need, to be done, and provide examples and ideas on how we can accomplish similar goals." The winners of some awards are listed on the website and all award winners are announced in the FGS publication, "FORUM." Announcements requesting nominations appear periodically in "FORUM." A few of these rewards require that the nominees be a member of one of the FGS member societies. Some of the awards are announced at the annual FGS Conference http://www.fgs.org/2006conf/FGS-2006.htm at the opening session and the conference banquet. Other awards are presented throughout the year. The nominating process is truly easy-- just use the online form. Some types of FGS awards recognize pioneers in the field, outstanding service to FGS or a member society, exceptional contributions to the field of genealogy and family history, and in the case of the "Rabbi Malcolm H. Stern Humanitarian Award," it is "presented to recognize the lifetime contributions of a rare individual whose positive personal influence and example have fostered unity in the genealogical community, provided leadership to its individual members, and helped make family history a vital force in the community at large." A SPECIAL FGS AWARD One special award for volunteers is "The Ruth C. Bishop Volunteer Hall of Honor Award." It recognizes the generous spirit and work ethic of genealogical society volunteers, both present and past. Ruth Bishop, a special friend of FGS, personally presents the prestigious Living Volunteer Award to the recipient at the annual FGS conference banquet. The Award itself is breathtaking. The 2006 Living Volunteer Award winner also receives airfare, hotel, conference registration, and a banquet ticket for the 2006 FGS/NEHGS Conference in Boston. A cash award of $1,000.00 is awarded to the nominating society of the Living Volunteer winner. Additionally, posthumous awards are presented annually with certificates given to the nominating member society and to the family of the posthumous award winners. Each member society of FGS may nominate one person per category each year. The deadline for nominations for the 2006 Ruth C. Bishop Award is April 17, 2006. Please suggest that your organization take this opportunity to recognize members of your society for the important contributions they make. Nominations may be submitted year-round for the FGS other award categories. THE NATIONAL GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY NGS also honors individuals and organizations. The NGS website http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/awards.cfm includes awards and competitions sections detailing the awards and the deadline for each and online submission forms. Some of these require membership in NGS, but others do not. "The NGS Awards program recognizes excellence, scholarship, and achievements in the field of genealogy . . ." The "NGS Newsmagazine" has periodic notices requesting submissions of the names and qualifications of possible award nominees. NGS also has competition awards for excellence in the areas of writing, librarianship, volunteerism, pioneers in the field, and other contributions to genealogy and history. The "Rubincam Youth Award" honors noted genealogist Milton Rubincam for his many years of service to NGS and to genealogy by encouraging the participation of young people in the field of genealogy. The "NGS Genealogical Newsletter Competition" is an "effort by the National Genealogical Society to recognize the hard work, long hours and creativity that editors devote to their newsletters as well as to provide suggestions for possible improvement." The newsletters in the competition are from genealogical and historical societies and family associations. A SPECIAL NGS AWARD The annual "Filby Prize for Genealogical Librarianship" recognizes individuals who give exemplary service in genealogy and local history. It is currently sponsored by ProQuest. Among the criteria for this award are significant contributions to patron access to information, preservation of historical records, and other activities that advance genealogy and local history. It honors librarians whose "primary focus is genealogy and local history and is employed in a public, academic, or special library." This is a great way to thank those who serve us at the places we research. You might consider working with this special librarian's employer and the area genealogical society on this nomination. The winner receives a $1,000.00 award which is presented at the NGS annual conference (http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/2006Chicago.cfm) banquet, which this year is in Chicago. Full details are on the NGS website. CLOSING NOTES Regular readers of this column may remember that I am a big advocate of joining societies and of doing volunteer work for our societies. Often as I read the reason why a particular person or organization was rewarded, I felt a bit guilty. In their lifetime or with today's limited organizational budgets, how could they fit in so much good work that benefits the rest of us? I strongly believe that we need to recognize others. Some of the nicest people I know are those I met when doing a volunteer job for one of the societies to which I belong. I benefit almost daily from the publications, websites, databases, and record preservation efforts of genealogical societies, archives, historical societies, and other places. I hope you feel that it is time to nominate an individual or organization for one of the many awards in genealogy. Take care in the nomination, follow the directions, and make sure the accomplishments of the nominee are evident to the judges. ___________________________________________________________________ Copyright 1998-2006, MyFamily.com,Inc. and its subsidiaries. Reprinted by permission, "Ancestry Daily News"

Dear All: There is a new public web site available for viewing at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna This web site includes some of the details for those people that have had their DNA tested at Family Tree. The full database is still located in the private web site on www.myfamily.com This web site and database are available on request. The scope of the project is also shown on the public web site at: www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.html or www.scottishdna.net Best Regards John A Hansen

FACT OF THE DAY The islands of Orkney and Shetland became Scottish territory today in 1472, when they were annexed to the Crown as part of a marriage dowry to King James III. Both have strong links to their previous owners, the Norwegians, as can be seen each year in Shetland at the Up Helly Aa Viking winter festival or in the numerous ancient sites that dot both islands. For more on Up Helly Aa go here http://heritage.scotsman.com/diagrams.cfm?cid=2&id=40592005 ........................................ What is not mentioned here, is that this dowry was arranged by Robert Boyd, Regent of Scotland for King James III. It is the Boyds that are responsible for the Orkneys and Shetlands becomig part of Scotland. Alexander Boyd, Robert's brother, was Keeper [or Governor] of Edinburgh Castle and was responsible for training young King James III in the art of chivalry and other matters. Robert's son Thomas was married to Princess Mary Stewart, young King James' sister. A true love match, not a political arrangement And for some time it was the Boyds that stood first in line to the Scottish throne as James had no issue. It was this that set things in motion among those that were envious of the Boyds and their position, leading to the eventual charges of treason that ended our Royal status. Yours Aye, Lauren Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot President House of Boyd Society, Inc. http://www.clanboyd.org

Tell us your story CALLING all story tellers! We'd like to celebrate your Scottish heritage with a page from your family's past. My Story is a new series where we invite you to submit personal tales of your past or stories that you have uncovered and wish to share with Heritage & Culture readers. You may remember hearing from your great-grandfather of the moment his feet touched American soil or recently found letters that your great-aunt sent home from Australia to the family she left behind. My Story will be part of our expanded coverage of genealogy and family history at Heritage & Culture. There will be more background pieces, more tips on how to go about researching your past and many additional features. But more importantly we want to hear from you. It's up to you what you write; it could be one story or a brief outline of how your family came to be where it is. It could be his story, her story or your story - we want to hear it and share it with our readers. There is so much you can tell us, but we ask that you keep it short and sweet. My Story should be no more than 500 words – sorry! It's time to hear from you, our readers (e-mail only, please). You are such an important part of our family, it's only natural to learn something about yours. Join the genealogy craze and watch for our expanded coverage in the coming weeks. This article: http://heritage.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=170512006

1. I'll start with the project update, and then present my proposals for broader work amongst all of us! On the Livingston/Maclea/Boggs project page you will see a complex group of families, not because (as in some clans) we have many "septs" but because our two main surnames have some mysteries attached. See http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Discussion%20Maclea.htm The two main names are of course Livingston and MacLea, with lots of historical variants (and possible variants), based upon the leading theory that the origin of MacLea was Mac Dunnsleibhe (Mac Dunleavy). Livingston and MacLea probably have entirely seperate origins but our project works with both because in the 18th century especially, the clan MacLea used this surname on the understanding that it was the proper English surname for them. The result is that many Livingstons no longer know whether they have a highland MacLea origin or a lowland Livingston origin. Our only other surname is Boggs - said to have been taken up by a Livingston family in Ireland. Note that on an administrative note, the possibility of participants being in multiple projects has been very important for us. Many Boggs feel no link to the Livingstons, and so there is also a Boggs project. Some of the suspected variants of Mac Dunleavy are now felt to be intertwined due to flexible fistoric spelling, with other Scottish names especially Maclean, MacAuley and MacInley. The only people showing the NW Irish "cluster 19" haplotype (associated with the Ui Neill) are some Irish Dunleavys - data from the recent publication of Brian McEvoy, Daniel G. Bradley (Y-chromosomes and the extent of patrilineal ancestry in Irish surnames, Human Genetics 2006). The MacLea leadership have the Scots "cluster 47" haplotype (as do several groups of our participants). It is not known whether Dr Livingstone had the same haplotype yet, though it is perhaps the leading theory, because we have no one with a proven paper trial. We also do not have any final confimation about the haplotype of the most politically powerful Livingston family from the lowlands, who were said to have descended from the founder of the West Lothian city of Livingston. A branch of this family settled in the still very Dutch colony of New York and have become an important political family in America, including one of the signers of the Declaration of independence. However, we suspect this aristocratic family, which seems to have settled in Scotland at the time of Malcolm Canmore, has an unusual G haplotype. We have an interesting case of a Livingstone family whose DNA is in the Scots cluster 47, but who also managed to trace their paper trail to Germany, where they become Liebensteins. The question of whether the Scots cluster has a continental branch is obviously particularly important to them. They feel that they may descend from Scots who moved to southern Germany and Switzerland. The story actually makes surprisingly good sense because they seem to originally come from Zurich, which is known to be a place where Scottish protestants. 2. Next, a call to arms... I'd like to address everyone on the subject of cluster 47 (Scots, Dalriada, Colla etc) and cluster 19 (NW Irish, Ui Neill etc). Both of these clusters are very large and very old. We must not content ourselves with counting how many we have in our project. Much more effective is to look for more recent and small clusters WITHIN these clusters, and in general. Because these are such common haplotypes, this means looking at a minimum of 37 markers and hopefully more. Examples which are NOT from these two clusters: 1. For my own Livingstone family, I have a seperate webpage, just about their cluster: http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/MacWho_results.htm 2. I intend to make another one for cluster 26 (for those who don't know, these cluster names comes from John MacEwan's analysis. See http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/p3analysis.htm and put it in your favourites). Cluster 26 is the clearest possible Dalriadic family: many in the Dal Riadic homeland around The Route, and a few in Scotland, all with Mac surnames. This was very difficult because they are so close to WAMH (extremely average) R1b, but searching for more markers we think we have found the key - the Kittler test which DNA Fingerprint does shows that the DYS385 markers are in reverse position for our MacLea compared to "normal R1b". We are working with others in the cluster to test the theory. 3. I was also interested to see Len Keane's haplotype, and how it clusters with other families from just the right area. See http://hometown.aol.com/dolmenx/myhomepage/index.html and http://www.ysearch.org/research_comparative.asp?uid=YF4GY&vallist=YF4GY%2C+S MRVQ%2C+HS66C%2C+3M5S2%2C+9DJ2R%2C+CD2C7%2C+DS57J 4. Many of us are aware of the Somerled haplotype, discovered by clan Donald, which is in turn a branch of the older Norse R1a cluster. I believe the clan Donald is seeing more patterns within the Scottish families with that Norse cluster (not all of whom descend from Somerled) which will become helpful. (Our clan has several Norse R1a types, and I will be watching these developments.) Such studies give results which connect people in the Middle Ages - just beyond the paper trails - rather than in the Iron Age. This is the most potentially productive place to work on both your personal genealogy and you anthropological interests in the ancients peoples we ALL descend from. (Beyond the Middle Ages, anyone of Irish or Scottish descent should pretty much all descend from the same people, just through different lines.) In order to try clustering WITHIN the Scots group, we will first have to get a big list of long haplotypes (AT LEAST 37 markers), and then work on it. And we already know that we probably need MORE than 37 markers, so start collecting them. DNA Fingerprint and Ethnoancestry can both supply more. I know several important Scots individuals are getting further testing at DNA Fingerprint already. For those clans with participants in the Regards Andrew Lancaster Livingston/MacLea/Boggs project -----Original Message----- From: Colin Ferguson [mailto:colinf@sierratel.com] Sent: Friday, 10 February 2006 9:36 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Re: Time to hear from the Project Managers The BIG question is "are the R1bSTR19Irish or the R1bSTR47Scots FERGUSSON descended from Fergus, subking of Dalriada, who colonized a part of Scotland in 470 AD?" You may find us on the web at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ferguson/DNA/

Dear Listers... well, of the female variety: Seems Scotland's Tourism Board is finally figuring it out. LOL http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=216182006 For those that do not win the associated contest and trip to Scotland, take solace. The Scottish Games are not far from where most of you live. Come and join us at the Clan Tent for your Scottish experience at home. For those of you of the male variety... take a read anyway, it may provide some "pointers." hehe Seems Scottish DNA is a popular type. Happy St. Valentine's Day a few days early. Yours Aye, Lauren List Admin

Forwarding for a non subscriber, please include CEBeal@aol.com in any of your replies to the list. Yours Aye, Lauren Scot DNA List Admin -----Forwarded Message----- >From: CEBeal@aol.com >Sent: Feb 10, 2006 2:19 PM >To: alstair@dnaheritage.com >Cc: bealdna@yahoo.ca, bealldna@earthlink.net >Subject: {not a subscriber} Establshing Ancestral Haplotypes (genetic signatures) in Early America > >Alstair, Feel free to use this News Release in UK publications to push >recruitment for your projects (and mine) It might appear other places, but it is >my article and not copyrighted. >Any comments? > > >News Release, February 10, 2006 >USE OF DNA AND INTERNET AS TOOLS OF GENEALOGY >IN IDENTIFYING COLONIAL IMMIGRANTS TO THE USA > > > >Chronologically this is a long mystery story with a very short abrupt >conclusion! >In the early 1970s I started to compile my Beal Family History ( known >later, as BEAL OHANA) and was not making much headway! It was a period when >research was done by mail and digging through old records. >A pencil and a lined pad were the only required equipment besides a >genealogical library, something I did not have until I retired in Hawaii. >Fortunately, I found the Church of Latter Day Saints known as the Mormons. >At the Family History Library in Kaneohe, Hawaii, I found not only files and >books, but learned about the use of microfiche and microfilm. Over eight years >I managed to trace my family history back to my ancestor William Beale/Bale, >born about 1664 in York, ME. By this time I had contacted other BEAL family >genealogists, including John Beal of Alabama who had researched and written >an article entitled "The Real Father of Arthur Beal of York ME". This article >made many references to sources, most well known researchers and writers on >New England, including Stackpole, Banks, Little, Holmes, Waters, Noyes, Libby, >Davis, Savage, Hotten,plus the general confusion regarding the Beals of New >England in official records, i.e. deeds, courts, wills. He concluded that >Arthur Beal of York, ME was the son of Arthur Beal and Elizabeth Watts and was >baptized in S. Maurice, Plympton Parish, Devon County, England. >I had waded through most of the same sources, he had, looking for William, >but unfortunately when I tried to contact him specifically regarding his >knowledge about the Banks notes regarding a proposed Volume III, HISTORY of MAINE, >he had passed away. > >In my own research and verified by several other Beal Family Genealogists, >namely, Charles Lewis Beal of CA and Ann Beal Logan of Canada, we developed >the descent from William Bale/Beale to present day descendants. >I asked Ann to check out the Banks notes left at the Bangor Maine Public >Library and she found no further information in them. >Charles L. Beal and myself had co-authored an article on Jonathan Beale born >22 March 1737, York, Maine for Joseph Crook Anderson, CG, Editor for Volume >6, MAINE FAMILIES IN 1790, published by the Maine Genealogical Society (pages >11-14). Jonathan was a veteran of the French and Indian Wars and >Revolutionary War.and grandson of William Beale, Sr. > >I had found a handwritten annotated record in the Gaol Records, York, Maine, >also known as the Nathaniel G. Marshall's York town records, The written >record revealed in an entry on 2-40, on page 85 the words inserted "Bro of Edwd >fr 26-Son of Arthur I-" in the first line after "William Bale" This I >questioned, as being Marshall's copy from the original record. >I corresponded with Virginia S. Spiller, Librarian, OLD YORK HISTORICAL >SOCIETY, extensively in 1994. In her final review she concluded that the written >records of Nathaniel Marshall (NGM) are: I quote: " In most cases regarding >this particular book of Nathaniel Marshall genealogists note the source of >the information and attribute it to NGM but they are be no means the vital >records of York when they are addendas such as we see on the pages." >This handwritten annotated record was not included in Lester MacKenzie >Bragdon & John Eldridge Frost's "VITAL RECORDS of YORK MAINE" published jointly by >Picton Press with the New England Historic Genealogical Society. Other notes >made by Nathaniel G, Marshall were apparently not used in their book, either. >I determined that since NGM's transcribed book could only be used as a >source of leads, I had to find some other way to prove or disprove the >relationship between Arthur BALE/BEAL and WILLIAM BALE/BEALE/BEAL. > > >Charles L Beal published his family's descent from William at: >_http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/a/Charles-L-Beal/_ >(http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/a/Charles-L-Beal/) >and then he specialized in SONS OF AMERICAN REVOLOUTION and the CIVIL WAR >and their cemeteries in California. >Ann Beal Logan became a professional genealogist and Chair, Ontario >Genealogical Society, Halton-Peel Branch in Canada and a Co-Administrator with me for >my BEAL SURNAME DNA PROJECT. > >In 2001, I became a pioneer DNA Genealogist, mentored by Alan Savin of >England, Kevin F. Duerninck, Douglas M. Mumma and Bennett Greenspan using his >firm, Family Tree DNA as my testing provider. My web pages are listed on my >whatsnew web page at: >_http://hometown.aol.com/bealsurnamedna/whatsnew.html_ >(http://hometown.aol.com/bealsurnamedna/whatsnew.html) > >About the same time, I began my world wide search for living male Beal >descendants of William Bale/Beale/Beal and Arthur & Edward Bale/Bales/Beal of >York, Maine. I needed to use genetic tests as a tool for genealogy, to obtain >the necessary Y-DNA results, using their living male Beal descendants to prove >or disprove the relationship.You can find backgound for this process on my >web pages above, or by visiting: _http://www.familytreedna.com_ >(http://www.familytreedna.com/) and: _http://www.dnaheritage.com/_ >(http://www.dnaheritage.com/) on the Internet. > >After several years of searching, I found living male Beal descendants with >proven descent from the two questioned York families. >Look in the results and migration pages of my DNA Project at the Ancestral >Haplotypes (genetic signatures) for William and Arthur They prove they were >not related, as determined by the test results of BEAL 101, 102, 104, 115 for >William and the different migration & test results for Arthur of BEAL 110, >116, 120. Although both were in York, Maine at the same time, Arthur's >earliest known ancestor was in Plymouth, Devon, England and William's parentage has >not yet been determined by genealogical records, beyond York, ME. >Arthur's descent has included many Beal/Beals of Washington Co., ME and has >validated the work in Velton Peabody's, book TALL BARNEY'S PEOPLE of Beals >Island, Maine. > >To determine the validity of establishing an Ancestral Haplotype (genetic >signature) we use standard genealogy research methods to develop proven >ancestry backed up with genealogical records. This recorded ancestry coupled with >DNA test results gives us the Ancestral Haplotype. After that a living male can >take a Y-DNA test and if his test results match the genetic signature, he >knows he is related to the earliest ancestor identified for the Ancestral >Haplotype. Many genealogists find breaks in their ancestral lineage caused by >missing records ("brick walls"). Some brick walls can be broken through by using >this method. > >In addition, we have established an Ancestral Haplotype for John Beal, >colonial immigrant, Hingham, Norfolk, England and Hingham, Massachusetts using the >test results of BEAL 103, 111, 114 and BEALS 202, 203 & 205. ( an example of >name variations that would have been passed over without DNA analysis and >evidence of common descent.) > >For William Beale, another colonial immigrant with descent from Tuckley, >Glouchester, England and Bucks County, Pennsylvania, we established another >Ancestral Haplotype, using the test results of BEAL 106, 108, 112. > >We are working on establishing more Ancestral Haplotypes for other SOUNDEX >B400 colonial families including BEAL, BEALE, BEALS, BEALL, BEEL and BELL in >our DNA Project. > >We are also working to locate more ancestors and lines of descent in the >United Kingdom (UK) and worldwide for our BEAL SURNAME DNA PROJECT participants. >New advances including the use of mtDNA (mitrochondrial DNA) and Y-SNP >(single nucleotide polymorphism) DNA testing are becoming available and our >participants are beginning to use these tests to learn more about their >origins.They can also join the National Geographic Project, which I mention on my web >site above. > >By visiting Google on the Internet, you can find the first article written >on my project in Dick Eastman's Online News Letter, dated 05/24/2001. You will >see that we are meeting much of our objectives for the project. > >Charles E. Beal, _CEBeal@aol.com_ (mailto:CEBeal@aol.com) & >_BealsurnameDNA@aol.com_ (mailto:BealsurnameDNA@aol.com) >Project Coordinator/Manager for THE BEAL SURNAME DNA PROJECT, >Family Genealogist, Member of NATIONAL GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY, NEW ENGLAND >HISTORIC GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY, OLD YORK HISTORICAL SOCIETY, MAYFLOWER SOCIETY, >BEALS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, CLAN BELL INTERNATIONAL and BEALL FAMILY ASSOCIATION

The FERGUS(S)ON group is doing well. We now have some 60 members and have results which reveal that the genealogy of some Virginia FERGUSON is not as has been supposed. I recently updated our website using John McEwan's modal tables. We have significant subgroups corresponding to I1c1-Isles, R1b-Atlantic, R1bSTR19Irish and R1bSTR47Scots. We also have a subgroup that I call R1bSCT2VA or "Scotland to Virginia" characterized by DYS 390, 391, 392 = 23, 11, 13. This does not correspond to any of the modal STR values presented by McEwan. Within the R1bSTR19Irish Haplogroup are the FERGUSSON of Dunfallandy, Athole, Perthshire. I believe we have ruled out any non-paternal event via the analysis of two FERGUSSON of Athole ancestry whose TMRCA is on the order of 1,000 years. The first evidence of this family is when Angus McFergus, the King of Fortrenn, or of the Southern Picts, defeated and killed the King of the Northern Picts at a battle fought at Blathvlag, near Loch Broom in 729 A.D. The BIG question is "are the R1bSTR19Irish or the R1bSTR47Scots FERGUSSON descended from Fergus, subking of Dalriada, who colonized a part of Scotland in 470 AD?" You may find us on the web at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ferguson/DNA/ -- Cheers, Colin Ferguson

In the old histories there is record of folk moving across to NE Ulster from Scotland ca. 500 BCE. This may also explain the movement of M223+ lineages. These being also found in SW Scotland. The same people have been moving back and forth seasonally for possibly the last 2500 years. As Antrim to Kintyre is only a mornings travel away by small boat [approx. 15 miles], this area should rightly be seen under the same umbrella. All the best. Grant South ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Mark on the Colla signature > Enormous thanks to Mark for putting his thoughts together in his two long > posts on Genealogy DNA. > > Conscious of my weak point, I would like to just focus on the DNA. > > John MacEwan made the point that his "cluster 47" aka Scots aka Colla aka > Dalriadic R1b, seems too old and British to be accounted for by any > founder > coming out of Ireland. > > If we accept that, it still might be true that with a long haplotype (lots > of markers) we may identify a branch which does meet this description. > > However (I bet you can see where I am headed!) this is going to be a *big* > problem if we just keep comparing "13 24 14 10" people, as such people > make > up perhaps nearly 20% of all Scots. > > With this I'd like to note that I now believe/hope I have representatives > of > the two main MacLea lines (Lismore and Achnacree) getting all non-FT DNA > markers tested at DNA FP. > > I call on all clans with substantial membership in "cluster 47" to > consider > getting a few selected members to test as many markers as possible. > > There are theories to be tested, and the wonder of it is that the results > are sure to surprise everyone in some way. > > Also please everyone try to find Irish interest. We ideally need much > better > comparisons to Irish R1b haplotypes. > > Highest Regards > Andrew > > PS pardon the cross postings, but Scots DNA seem empty! > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Mailing List archives are at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Subscription to this list is free, as are all of > Rootsweb's resources. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Enormous thanks to Mark for putting his thoughts together in his two long posts on Genealogy DNA. Conscious of my weak point, I would like to just focus on the DNA. John MacEwan made the point that his "cluster 47" aka Scots aka Colla aka Dalriadic R1b, seems too old and British to be accounted for by any founder coming out of Ireland. If we accept that, it still might be true that with a long haplotype (lots of markers) we may identify a branch which does meet this description. However (I bet you can see where I am headed!) this is going to be a *big* problem if we just keep comparing "13 24 14 10" people, as such people make up perhaps nearly 20% of all Scots. With this I'd like to note that I now believe/hope I have representatives of the two main MacLea lines (Lismore and Achnacree) getting all non-FT DNA markers tested at DNA FP. I call on all clans with substantial membership in "cluster 47" to consider getting a few selected members to test as many markers as possible. There are theories to be tested, and the wonder of it is that the results are sure to surprise everyone in some way. Also please everyone try to find Irish interest. We ideally need much better comparisons to Irish R1b haplotypes. Highest Regards Andrew PS pardon the cross postings, but Scots DNA seem empty!

Here's my last post from a Scottish discussion on Genealogy DNA, happening now. First of all, a big thanks to John MacEwan for his excellent summary of the *genetic* evidence. I continue doggedly, because I really want to make sure I understand everyone's positions. People like Lochlan, Mark and Rob are proposing theories for all of us with an interest in the genetic genealogy of Ireland and Scotland to test, and indeed they are playing a role in organizing tests. --- First, John said: "We then move to the relatively high frequency of R1bSTR19 (Irish) in Scotland. In my opinion this is clearly related to the Dal Riadic migration and possibly earlier shifts from Ireland." Concerning which I want to raise question. I was not conscious of this evidence of Irish immigration perhaps because our own clan has no cluster 19 Scots. It helps me understand Mark. I'd like to ask Mark for his feelings about which types of families have this haplotype, which is of course now associated with at least some Ui Neills. --- Another comment of John: "it is simply not credible to propose R1bSTR47, was a rare Irish haplotype that invaded Scotland and thrived in the last 1500 years. This does not explain its substantial numerical presence in England (even if only it is 3% of R1b there) nor its current observed diversity which is highest in England." Again this answers an important question of mine, and raises more. Could the pattern be explained by a particular family within an older British haplotype, having a sudden "thriving" *within* Scotland? --- Lochlan asked: Is the Scots Modal group the same thing as the Colla Uais group promoted by the MacDonalds? Answer: Yes, in John MacEwan's useful analysis it is cluster 47. --- Lochlan wrote: I personally continue to be baffled by the utter disappearance of the Picts in Scottish history. Where did they all go? Andrew: I do not see how anyone can say that they disappeared, either in written history or in genetics. We can't say they disappeared in written history because we know that Gaelic became the dominant language and that's that. We can't say it disappeared genetically because we don't really know the which genetic types are *not* Pictish. What I think is most baffling about many of these old names (Picts, Belgae etc) is the way that they refer to moving targets - which is of course what we should expect. I'd say a similar thing to Mark, who says he sees no sign of the Belgae in Ireland. We see lots of haplotypes, but mostly we can't give ethnic names to them. So why would we expect an obvious sign of Belgae? I'd certainly encourage Lochlan to try to build up a case! Lochlan: what of the other tribes in Scotland and northern Britain referenced by Ptolemy? Weren't all these supposed to be Picts as well? Or is the term Pict overly broad as used by most historians? And who were the Epidii? One book I read considered them a P-Celtic or Brythonic speaking tribe, mainly because of the "p" in their name. Other writers see in the term the Pretanic Isles a reference to the Picts. If so this population group must at one time have been dominant in most of Britain and Scotland, just as O Rahilly tells us they were in Ireland as the Cruithin. Andrew: It is interesting that, if I understand correctly Roman and Greek authors also gave Irish place and tribe names with "p"s in them. For those who do not know, the letter p does not exist in native words in old Irish, but it does appear in Welsh. However it appears that for some time Celts understood that the p's in Welsh and the c's in Irish were the same letter. Perhaps they even pronounced them in some intermediate way. Patrick in modern Irish is Cadraig I believe. And this brings us to the Cruithin. Rob proposes that this refers to a particular tribe. Others see it as a simple Irishization of Briton/Pretan, which is said by many to mean the same as Latin "Picti", and refers to the general British habit of body painting or tatooage. However confusion is inevitable in Ireland and Scotland where Pictish regions and tribes were contrasted with Gaelic ones, because the word was sometimes being used to particular tribes and regions, and sometimes being used to refer to thing generally British. In any case, as I understand it the term Cruithin, or a related word, *was* used in Irish to refer to things British, as well as their local Cruithin tribes? (I know I've had this explained to me before by the way, so sorry if I've missed something.) --- Lochlan mentions "Iovepvia by Ptolemy" I guess this is transliteration from Greek, perhaps Ionernia? Best Regards Andrew Lancaster MacLea/Livingston project -----Original Message----- From: confido@ix.netcom.com [mailto:confido@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2006 6:27 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Time to hear from the Project Managers Hello Listers: Life gets busy and time marches on.... it is a new year and it has been quite some time since we have heard reporting from the Project Managers. I would hope that some time this week they may find time to jot off a note to let us all know where the project stands, what the latest news is, how things are going, and where the project is heading. Thank you to all the participants and volunteers for sharing information and sparking discussion. For some projects the join rate is slowing down. Is it just the holidays were here and focus was away from genealogy? Or are finances again an issue for those who may otherwise be interested? Take a look to your lineage and the cousins you know.... see if there are more lines that can be included in the testing. The more that join, the better picture we will have in the end of "where we came from." Yours Aye, Lauren List Admin ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Thank you David: Those maps are an exceptional resource for genealogical and DNA studies and should be considered by more people. Thanks again. William Curry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Distribution of surnames across Britain > > Came across this on the soc.culture.scottish news group it provides maps > and > statistics of the distribution of surnames across Britain. There are > messages, > on the site, that it is receiving heavy traffic. If the page doesn't load > I find > just going back and clicking again (sometimes several times) will > eventually get > it to load. > http://www.spatial-literacy.org/uclnames/Surnames.aspx > > Note: the site provides maps based on modern electorical districts for the > census of 1881 and the electorial rolls of 1998 also the number of persons > with > said name for those years and what the frequency is per the total > population. > > It won't help a lot in DNA studies but can be used to supplement those > with an > idea of how numerous and widespread a particular name is. > > Because the maps are based on electorical districts, some of which > (Highland and > Islands) are quite large while some are quite small (London area), they > must be > interpreted with care. > > David Rorer > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Need to contact the list admin? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com > Want to post? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? > Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Came across this on the soc.culture.scottish news group it provides maps and statistics of the distribution of surnames across Britain. There are messages, on the site, that it is receiving heavy traffic. If the page doesn't load I find just going back and clicking again (sometimes several times) will eventually get it to load. http://www.spatial-literacy.org/uclnames/Surnames.aspx Note: the site provides maps based on modern electorical districts for the census of 1881 and the electorial rolls of 1998 also the number of persons with said name for those years and what the frequency is per the total population. It won't help a lot in DNA studies but can be used to supplement those with an idea of how numerous and widespread a particular name is. Because the maps are based on electorical districts, some of which (Highland and Islands) are quite large while some are quite small (London area), they must be interpreted with care. David Rorer

Hi folks, RE: ELDER DNA SURNAME project: Recently I was surprised to see that FamilyTreeDNA automatically re-arranged my DNA "public" menu -- Now has "Y RESULTS" along the top of the menus, to click for viewing charts as a separate page. See: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/elder They offered a Scotland/Ireland map (called Ancestors Map) on the "Y RESULTS" page, plus an option for separating the charts. I haven't figured out how to print out the new charts yet, but they have a color feature option, along the left side, so I chose a color for each group. I have group charts for 41 members: ELDER of FRANKLIN County PA --Haplogroup R1b ELDER of PAXTANG (Harrisburg, PA)--Haplogroup I or Isles- I1b2a1 PETER ELDER of VA, R1b WILLIAM ELDER (Catholic) of Emmitsburg, Maryland, R1b OTHERS See also, ELDER names divided and coded on "Scotland DNA" - YDNA results chart by Katherine Hope Borges, where she color-coded the division of ISLES-I1b2a1 for ELDER of Paxtang PA. See: http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm Another Borges chart for R1b - COLLA UAIS--as Founder Scots DNA for ELDER of Franklin Co PA (matches with SUTHERLAND). Nancy Elder Petersen Vancouver, WA USA Host, ELDER DNA project --- confido@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Hello Listers: > Life gets busy and time marches on.... it is a new year and it has > been quite > some time since we have heard reporting from the Project Managers. > I would > hope that some time this week they may find time to jot off a note > to let us > all know where the project stands, what the latest news is, how > things are > going, and where the project is heading. > > Thank you to all the participants and volunteers for sharing > information and > sparking discussion. For some projects the join rate is slowing > down. Is it > just the holidays were here and focus was away from genealogy? Or > are > finances again an issue for those who may otherwise be interested? > Take > a look to your lineage and the cousins you know.... see if there > are more > lines that can be included in the testing. The more that join, the > better picture > we will have in the end of "where we came from." > Yours Aye, > Lauren > List Admin Nancy Elder Petersen, DAR member #833222 7808 NE 51st St, Apt. 139, Vancouver, WA 98662 USA Phone:360-882-1039 E-mail: NancyElderPETERSEN@yahoo.com or nancyp@teleport.com ELDER Genealogy: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/RobToJos1807Will.htm

Hello Listers: Life gets busy and time marches on.... it is a new year and it has been quite some time since we have heard reporting from the Project Managers. I would hope that some time this week they may find time to jot off a note to let us all know where the project stands, what the latest news is, how things are going, and where the project is heading. Thank you to all the participants and volunteers for sharing information and sparking discussion. For some projects the join rate is slowing down. Is it just the holidays were here and focus was away from genealogy? Or are finances again an issue for those who may otherwise be interested? Take a look to your lineage and the cousins you know.... see if there are more lines that can be included in the testing. The more that join, the better picture we will have in the end of "where we came from." Yours Aye, Lauren List Admin

To answer the last question, first...I think it would make sense to stay part of the larger group. We're all Scots and studies such as that would go far in answering the question of who the Scots really are. In the last few weeks, I've embarked on an effort to collect results from other Clans who are said to have descended from Airbertach as the MacMillan's are said to also descend. These clans would include the Clan Duff, MacQuarrie, MacKinnon, MacLennan and possibly Gregor. The MacMillans appear to have 2 main groups who make up 19 of our 37 R1b participants. The modals for the 2 groups have a calculated TMRCA in the area of 1500-1770 (50-75% prob) years bp which is long before Airbertach's time ~1200AD. One of the clans for which I've found results is Clan Duff. They've got a cluster they call Group 1 whose modal has a calculated TMRCA to the MacMillan group 2 of ~810 years bp with a 75% probability. Coincidence? What is also interesting is that Clan Duff's group 1, if you look a bit closer at the participants, seems to be sort of an interim group between the MacMillan group 1 and group 2. This is just a very preliminary look at results. I'm still collecting the data. I'd be very interested in finding data from Clan McKinnon and Clan MacQuarrie if anyone knows where I may find some. Graeme MacKenzie, Clan MacMillan's historian, suggests that they're two that have a more clear cut descent from Airbertach than maybe some others. David McMillan ----- Original Message ----- From: <OLDHIKER50@aol.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Dalridian group > > To pick up on what Laruen has just said I would like to propose that we > form > some teams within the Scot DNA study to focus on more specific areas of > individual concerns. > > My Lamont family lore and DNA points to Dalridian background. Withing > that > group I am focusing on a smaller group called the "Anradan Kindred". > "Acording to traditional Irish and Scottish pedigrees, several Scottish > families > share a common descent with the O'Neills of Ulster: The families in > question are > the MacSweeneys of Donegal in Ireland and in Scotland, Maclachlans, > Lamonts, > MacSorleys, McLeas, MacEwens of Otter, and included by some authorities, > the MacNeills of Barra. These families have come to be called the Anradan > kindred, because their pedigrees are deduced from a common ancestor named > Anradan, > said to be the son of Aedh Athlaman, the King of Aileach in northern > Ireland, who died in 1033 A.D" quote from D. McLaughlin > > I am seeing some preliminary early DNA lts showing these realtionships to > be > worthy of closer study, more particpants are needed. Does this make sense > to > stay part of the larger Scot group yet get more focused groups? > > thanks > George Young > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? > Visit the FAQ page: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Want to join the project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Instructions sent in the welcome email when someone subscribes to the list... a.. Unsubscribing. To leave SCOT-DNA-L, send mail to SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave SCOT-DNA-D, do the same thing with SCOT-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com. a.. Unsubscribe from SCOT-DNA-L b.. Unsubscribe from SCOT-DNA-D (digest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William McCown" <wmccown@ispwest.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] delete me > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tediona@aol.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:03 AM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] delete me > > >> delete me >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> Mailing List archives are at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Subscription to this list is free, as are all of >> Rootsweb's resources. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? > Visit the FAQ page: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Want to join the project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >