To be sure about the different terminology of different labs, you can speak of the actual SNP mutation that you tested positive for. In this case I presume it would be M269, and that is indeed called R1b3 by DNA Heritage, and R1b1c by most others. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Cengold@aol.com [mailto:Cengold@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 3:34 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Y - SNP Results Hello List, I recently received my Y-SNP results and was classified as R1b3*. Is this the same as the R1b1c classification? I think it is but am asking others on this list for verification if it is ... or clarification if it is not. Thanks, Craig Cengold@aol.com ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating in a project. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Does anyone out there know of a site that discusses scientific research done on mutations? Charlie Scott

I have checked information about I1a but I would still like to know more about R1a or R1a1. I have had a FTDNA test but my surname does not seem to be on ysearch. Can anyone help? Jim Halcrow

Hello List, I recently received my Y-SNP results and was classified as R1b3*. Is this the same as the R1b1c classification? I think it is but am asking others on this list for verification if it is ... or clarification if it is not. Thanks, Craig Cengold@aol.com

Steve I notice lots of possible "Scots" haplotypes (although most of them do not have 37 markers so it a bit hard to tell them from other R1b types). Do any of your St Clairs have claims back to Dalriadic dynasties? I thought I saw the name appear somewhere in one of those old trees. We are trying to establish whether we can prove a link between all or some "Scots" hapltypes and the Dalriadic nobility. You are probably aware that the possibility has been discussed for some time. Regards Andrew (clan MacLea project) -----Original Message----- From: Steve St. Clair [mailto:steve@planetcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 5:28 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? If you get a chance, take a look at how we're getting around the maze of the DNA results. The numbers by themselves are confusing. But when coupled with good documents research, it gets very powerful. See www.stclairresearch.com We are lucky in that we have centuries of good documents research to help us, but I think that any project can achieve satisfactory results if they stay on the documents. Best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob MacLean [mailto:bobmacleanuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:02 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on Y-Search. ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will provide a private answer. Want to join the Project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

The 12-marker test is a teaser. It gets 85% of the people into a haplogroup and not much else. With no one else with your surname being in the same haplogroup I'd suggest that you just wait to get a 37-marker upgrade done. Who knows? With prices going lower, it may save you a few bucks in the long run. IMO, the 25-marker test is a waste of time and money. It's not definative enough to link you close enough to anyone to be of value. One needs the 37-marker test to do that. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn" <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] E3b halogroup >I hope no one minds my asking this question on the Scots forum, but since >it was suggested that one poster join the E3b group study maybe it's o.k. >My brother tested E3b on our non-Scot surname project, but we only did the >12-marker testing through FTDNA a few years ago. We thought we'd >eventually add more markers if we matched anyone on our surname project. >The project is now up to 72 participants and we are still the only E3b. My >brother was finally going to go ahead and order more markers. Should he go >ahead with adding markers or can they do the E3b SNP with just 12? > > By the way, our family lore says we were from Wales - undocumented but > Grandpa said so...... > Evelyn > esleslie@bellsouth.net > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. > Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the > web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I went to google "Haplogroup R1a" and found more than I need to know about R1a good luck Vane E. Suter , R1a , kit #34117 , 37 marker , ancestor born in Scotland vsuter@socal.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimhalcrow" <jimhalcrow@waitrose.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] R1a Study >I have checked information about I1a but I would still like to know more >about R1a or R1a1. > > I have had a FTDNA test but my surname does not seem to be on ysearch. Can > anyone help? > > Jim Halcrow > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

> Also FTDNA won't tell  you if > your results match someone else -- your DNA-surname group  administrator > does > that. FTDNA just returns your results with an  explanation of what they > mean. > Correction to above. FTDNA does tell you if you have a match with another person in their database provided you have returned your release form. They assign a personal web page to each DNA participant which you can access to see your DNA matches along with other information. If you do not have your pass code to access your page, request it from FTDNA. Barbara Barbara Walker Good WALKER Surname DNA Project http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Efabercove/index.htm

Bob -- If you've got your DNA results in Y-Search, don't wait for them to tell you anything -- you do it yourself. The instructions are on their web page (_http://www.ysearch.org_ (http://www.ysearch.org) ). Also FTDNA won't tell you if your results match someone else -- your DNA-surname group administrator does that. FTDNA just returns your results with an explanation of what they mean. If you don't belong to a DNA-surname group, it's a good idea to do so. Your group administrator can tell you how closely you match other members of the group and an approximation of how far back your Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) is. That way, you can compare your paper trail with those of others in your DNA-surname group, especially those who are close or exact matches with you. Cheers, Jim Gordon Laurel, MD Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on Y-Search. That way, if anything does come up they'll tell me. I don't need to stretch my brain cells, which must be a good thing at my age. :-)

Thanks Steve. Interesting site. I'm hoping that as the MacLean Clan Project matures it'll have these explanations and the project will come "alive". Bob MacLean West Sussex, UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve St. Clair" <steve@planetcentral.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? > If you get a chance, take a look at how we're getting around the maze of the > DNA results. The numbers by themselves are confusing. But when coupled with > good documents research, it gets very powerful. > See www.stclairresearch.com > > We are lucky in that we have centuries of good documents research to help > us, but I think that any project can achieve satisfactory results if they > stay on the documents. > > Best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob MacLean [mailto:bobmacleanuk@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:02 AM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? > > Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to > understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them > to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on > Y-Search. > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will > provide a private answer. > Want to join the Project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I hope no one minds my asking this question on the Scots forum, but since it was suggested that one poster join the E3b group study maybe it's o.k. My brother tested E3b on our non-Scot surname project, but we only did the 12-marker testing through FTDNA a few years ago. We thought we'd eventually add more markers if we matched anyone on our surname project. The project is now up to 72 participants and we are still the only E3b. My brother was finally going to go ahead and order more markers. Should he go ahead with adding markers or can they do the E3b SNP with just 12? By the way, our family lore says we were from Wales - undocumented but Grandpa said so...... Evelyn esleslie@bellsouth.net

Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on Y-Search. That way, if anything does come up they'll tell me. I don't need to stretch my brain cells, which must be a good thing at my age. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "relder" <relder@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? > I had my DNA done a year ago hoping it might give me or lead me to other > members with the same strand. I'm no farther forward now as I was then. > I have looked over the charts read the instruction it might as well be in > reading Ancient Chinese as I cannot make head nor tail about it, maybe it > is the old aged that has creep upon me faster than I thought or the grey > matter slowing down > > But looking at R1a & Haplogroup "I" I haven't a clue what it is all about. > > > Bob > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. > Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the > web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. > Want to join the Project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I had my DNA done a year ago hoping it might give me or lead me to other members with the same strand. I'm no farther forward now as I was then. I have looked over the charts read the instruction it might as well be in reading Ancient Chinese as I cannot make head nor tail about it, maybe it is the old aged that has creep upon me faster than I thought or the grey matter slowing down But looking at R1a & Haplogroup "I" I haven't a clue what it is all about. Bob

Jim and Bob It could possibly depend on how a Surname Study Administrator sets things up - I never checked into that (yet) However.... on the ARMSTRONG YDNA study. FTDNA does tell each participant and Administrator if there are any matches... When your lab results are done, they set up a web site just for you it will tell you a lot about various aspects of your DNA... However, it all depends on how you initially filled out the "Set UP'... Do you want the comparisons from your Surname only, of the entire data base. (I think many people are missing out if they don't go for the entire data base..) If you checked the right boxes, and given the right authorization, FTDNA will notify you each and every time there is a match with your YDNA as they will also notify the other person(s) if you match them. Althought FTDNA sets up a Surname Study web site, Most Administrators Or Co-Administrators set up another web site to compare, discuss, explain various aspects of the Surname Study... The problems encountered with a Surname Study are.... initially there are not sufficient results from enough different people to make any real comparisons.. Once the Surname Study gets to rolling and picks up more participants, you begin to see patterns.. i.e. different lines... Non-Parental incidents, etc... One bit of advice... If you have independently done a Y-DNA study through FTDNA, you should join ( or Start) a Surname Study .. because then there is a discount on the cost... You Don't necessarily have to know anything about DNA to be an administrator, but it pays to find someone who does know a little something about it and con them into being your Co-Admin...!! :-) As Jim suggested... don't wait for FTDNA or someone else to do the Y-Search for you... As soon as you get your web site, check into the Y-Search... play around a little and see what you can come up with... Sincerely, John Armstrong Administrator Armstrong Surname Study A little SoWest of North Jimgordo1@aol.com wrote: > >Bob -- > >If you've got your DNA results in Y-Search, don't wait for them to tell you >anything -- you do it yourself. The instructions are on their web page >(_http://www.ysearch.org_ (http://www.ysearch.org) ). Also FTDNA won't tell you if >your results match someone else -- your DNA-surname group administrator does >that. FTDNA just returns your results with an explanation of what they mean. >If you don't belong to a DNA-surname group, it's a good idea to do so. Your >group administrator can tell you how closely you match other members of the >group and an approximation of how far back your Most Recent Common Ancestor >(MRCA) is. That way, you can compare your paper trail with those of others in >your DNA-surname group, especially those who are close or exact matches with you. > >Cheers, Jim Gordon >Laurel, MD > > >Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to >understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them >to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on >Y-Search. That way, if anything does come up they'll tell me. I don't need >to stretch my brain cells, which must be a good thing at my age. :-) > > > > > > > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >Mailing List archives are at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >Subscription to this list is free, as are all of >Rootsweb's resources. > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >

Thank you Andrew, this will take some studying on my part, which I will eagerly do. Warmly, Linda In a message dated 3/29/2006 9:48:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, andrew.en.inge@skynet.be writes: Linda See http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Ix.htm Regards Andrew

If you get a chance, take a look at how we're getting around the maze of the DNA results. The numbers by themselves are confusing. But when coupled with good documents research, it gets very powerful. See www.stclairresearch.com We are lucky in that we have centuries of good documents research to help us, but I think that any project can achieve satisfactory results if they stay on the documents. Best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob MacLean [mailto:bobmacleanuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:02 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? Mine was a bit of a disappointment too Bob, and like you I struggle to understand the finer points. My registration at FamilyTreeDNA permits them to compare my results with everyone else and I've also done the same on Y-Search.

Bob, I'm certainly no expert, but if you would like to contact me either through this board or privately, I can make an attempt to help you sort through things... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "relder" <relder@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] DNA? >I had my DNA done a year ago hoping it might give me or lead me to other > members with the same strand. I'm no farther forward now as I was then. > I have looked over the charts read the instruction it might as well be in > reading Ancient Chinese as I cannot make head nor tail about it, maybe it > is the old aged that has creep upon me faster than I thought or the grey > matter slowing down > > But looking at R1a & Haplogroup "I" I haven't a clue what it is all about. > > > Bob > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. > Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the > web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

12 marker tests are little more than a tease, but they are a starting point. That's how I got my first "shock" too. A SWAG guess could have your E3b ancestor coming to the Islands as a merchant, sailor or member of the Roman legions, as these are the most common hypotheses that I've read about. As for acquiring the name SMITH, the desire to blend into the local society is the strongest reason. Look at current media personalities, ie: Mike Wallace, James Garner, etc.. . Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Haplogroup E3b - SMITH > Andrew - the surname was SMITH, Robert born 25 Dec 1778 Co. Londonderry, > Northern Ireland [the 25th of Dec. was reported from his son, Robert Black > SMITH's descendant, supposedly the same birthday as the son] married > Martha EAKIN, dau. of John EAKIN & Margaret POSTEN/POSTEM, about 1815 same > area as Robert's birth. I don't seem to know exactly when Robert and his > family came to America. I have before me a transcription of the 1850 > census - Pennsylvania, Butler Co., Venango Twp. [dwelling 589 & family > 595] Robert SMITH age 59 b. Ireland, Martha age 57 b. Ireland, William age > 24 b. Ireland, Mary J. age 17 b. PA. and David age 14 b. PA. Martha died > about 1863 (tombstone difficult to read). On the 1880 census Robert is > with married dau. Mary Jane [EAKIN, by marriage]in Venango Co., PA. > Robert's age is 96 and occupation is weaver. Robert SMITH died 16 Mar > 1881 Scrubgrass Twp., Venango Co., PA. > If his birth year really was 1778, Robert was over 100 years old, which > was repeated by descendants of several of his children. Robert's sons > were named - John Eakin SMITH, Robert Black SMITH, William M. SMITH & > David G. SMITH. At least one descendant reported that Robert SMITH's > mother was - Ann MITCHELL. > A descendant of David G. SMITH has yDNA in the N.E. SMITH Project of > U.S.A., and so far matches with no one. A "y-search" showing genetic > distance of 1 [with only 12 markers]is a GOLDSMITH with an origin of > Warsaw, Poland. Our participant did 37 markers. > Any suggestions? > > Kay C. - contact person for the SMITH cousin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew and Inge > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:53 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" > > > Hi Kay > > E3b is not the most common haplotype in Scotland, but it is also > certainly > not "foreign" in the sense that it appears to have been in Britain for a > very long time. I suspect it is more common in lowland areas than > highland > areas though. This would make sense because it seems to have entered > Europe > with the first farmers and potters from the Middle East. What is the > surname? > > Best Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: N & K Chestnut [mailto:nkopportunity@gorge.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 2:03 AM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" > > > Sorry folks, my Scotch-Irishman's descendant came up with Haplogroup E3b. > Not what I expected either! > > Kay C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew and Inge > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:57 AM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" > > > Dear Richard > > The most common SNP-defined haplogroup in Scotland is R1b1c, which is a > branch of R1b1, which is a branch of R1b, etc. > > The second most common is I1a, which is of course a branch of I. > > So the only ununusual news is the K, which seems to be more common in > the > Mediterranean than in Britain. Nevertheless it is present there. I > believe > Thomas Jefferson was one. > > Best Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Reddick [mailto:rdreddick@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 9:30 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Meaning of "Haplotype" and Haplogroup" > > > SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com: > > In studying our growing R320 DNA project results, notice two > "Haplotype" > categories seem dominant > for those of known Scot or Scot-Irish ancestry: "I" and "R1b1" > > There is also "R1b" and "R1b1c" represented and one new report > indicating > "K2." > > A couple of the project members have ordered the "SNP" analysis which > confirmed "I" and R1b1." > > Questions: > Are these the more common Haplos for Scotland? > What does the SNP analysis report really tell us about our origins? > What is the significance of matches to other surnames (most numerous > seem > to be several 37 markers exact matches to Bingham/Bigham/Bigum)? > > > The genealogy DNA firms represented are FTDNA and EA (EthnoAncestry). > > Our project page also includes those with Germanic origins: > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www.fa > mi > lytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx > > Thanks, > Richard D. 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Linda See http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Ix.htm Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 12:17 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] I was surprised to learn my Dad is Haplogroup "I" Linda, Welcome to the crowd of surprised "I" haplogroup Scots-Irish. Without looking at your father's Y-DNA, if he's I1c he's of Danish Viking descent in all likelihood. This I grouping can actually be a blessing if most others are R1b (Celtic) as it narrows your field of search considerably as it did with my Johnston(e)s. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <FLFeff@aol.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] I was surprised to learn my Dad is Haplogroup "I" > > > Hello to All, > FamilyTreeDNA has surprised me a week early with some of my Dad's > Y-DNA > results. Knowing that my paternal line goes back to Dublin, Ireland in > the > 1600's, and before that in Scotland, and before that I believe from > Ireland, I > had expected to learn that his haplogroup would be R and possibly R1b1, > but > it's turned out to be "I". I have my Dad's FINLEY lineage traced back > into > medieval records, connecting we believe to: > Findlaech McRuaidhri (FINLEY ) of Moray (Scotland) 980 to 1020, father of > son - Macbeth Fionnladh b.c. 1005 Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland; > son - MacBeatha McFinlay b. 1045 Cromarty, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland; > d. > 1093 Cromarty, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland; md. 1079 Bethoca McBrad > daughter > of Andrew McBrad > son - Ruari (Rory) McFinlay b. 1080 Cromarty, Ross Cromarty, Scotland > son - Fergus McFinlay b. 1145 Aberdeenshire, Scotland > son - Eugenius McFinlay b./ 1184 Perthshire, Scotland > son - Fearchar McFinlay b. 1210 > son - Archibald Finlay b. 1248 Roushknot, Perthshire, Scotland > son - William Finlay b. 1300 Perthshire, Scotland > son - Andrew Finlay b. 1344 Perthshire, Scotland > son - John Finlay b. 1390 Perthshire, Scotland > son - John Finley b. 1418 Perthshire, Scotland > son - John Findley b. 1450 Coupar Angus, Perthshire, Scotland > son - Andrew Finley (Fyndlay) b.c. 1480/1483 of Perthshire, Scotland > son - James Finley b. Sept. 15, 1530 Cuper Angus, Balchristie, Fife, > Scotland; md. Elizabeth Warrender > son - John Finley b. June 8, 1579 St. Andrews, Newburn Parish, > Balchristie, > Fife, Scotland; md. Sarah Craigie > son - James Finley b. Sept. 9, 1631 Inchervie, St. Andrew’s, Fife, > Scotland; > md. Margaret Mackie > son - Alexander Finley b. 1667 Inchervie, Fife, Scotland; md. Catherine > Margaret Jennings > son - James Finley b. Dec. 4, 1687 Dublin, Ireland; md. Elizabeth > Patterson > son - James Finley (1687/8-1753) who emigrated to America from Ireland on > the good ship Eagle Wing and landed in New Castle, Del. on 22 May 1720. > About half of James G G Grandchildren emigrated to America. > James (1687/8-1753) first settled in Chester Co. PA > son - John Finley Sr. b. Dec. 18, 1706 Dublin, Ireland; md. Chester Co., > Pa. > to Thankful Doak > son - Thomas Finley b. Nov. 18, 1734 Chester, Del., Pa.; d. 1816 > Montgomery > Co, N.C.; md Mary Heavon ..... > > Family Tree DNA found no matches for the 25 marker test, and I'm waiting > on > the balance of the 37 markers. > I have downloaded the Y-DNA results to Ysearch and my ID is JYWUE. > Could some of you in the know please take a look? I would really > appreciate any > information these numbers might reveal. Am I correct in assuming that > being > in haplogroup "I" that is the same as saying my Dad is positive for M170 > and/or P19 and/or M258? I ask that because that's what I find on the > 2005 > Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree (although the print is tiny and hard to > read). I > had visited one or more web sites in the past that gave some possible > descriptions for various markers, meaning M168, M89, M9 etc., but I can't > seem to > find my way back to these sites. Can anyone help me with that? When we > talk > haplogroup "I" what time period are we dealing with? When the results of > the > rest of the 37 markers come in, might it change the haplogroup? > Thank you in advance for any and all help, in understanding what these > numbers mean. > Sincerely, > Linda Fefferman > Ysearch ID is JYWUE > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting > anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. 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Hi Jim As you'll see on Ken's webpage, some of the more unusual I haplotypes are not associated with Scandinavia. It is important to distinguish different branches of I. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: corvettenutz@bellsouth.net [mailto:corvettenutz@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 2:51 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: FW: [SCOT-DNA] Re: Haplogroup I Sorry for the duplication, I intended for this message to be a response to the Haplogroup I thread. -----Original Message----- From: corvettenutz@bellsouth.net [mailto:corvettenutz@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:45 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Re: R1a study The I Haplogroup indicates a Norwegian, Danish or Scandinavian heritage, there are several subdivisions of the I group. I1a is the most common. I am an I1a of either the Norse or Ultra Norse group. My Haplogroup is not the same as the other members in my surname project, which indicates either an adoption or out of wedlock birth. If you will google Ken Norveldt's website, there is a very good explanation of the I group and it's subdivisions.