Dear John, The sad truth is that these tests are only looking at one gene out of your entire DNA structure. So, your Y-chromosome may only have 50% of the same markers as this other person, but when you include the rest of your DNA, you are more than 99.9% the same. Of topic, but I would love it if they could find a way to show if two people had any common ancestors and how far back they lived, instead of the only 2 we can look at right now, our maternal line of women, or our paternal line of men. Katie Rennie >From: "Shankland(Train)" <Shankland@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:46:05 -0400 > >I guess I am missing something. > >I understand the genetic concept of a DNA Adam but I don't understand how >it >relates to the test we are taking. > >I have a tester in my group with the same last name that is 11 markers of >in >25. It is hard to imagine that a Bushman would be closer than that. > >Are we talking apples and oranges here? > >Can I get an example somewhere of what a Bushman's 25 marker test might >look >like? > > >FYI: > >Our DNA is 99.9% identical to all other human beings on Earth. >Therefore, > >we only have a 0.1% difference in DNA between any of us, which accounts >for > > >Given the example above it seems that in this case it is 50% different. > >John > > > > > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi John, Think of it this way. For each of your "genetic distances" you're between 250 and 500 generations away from a common ancestor with that person. A generation is about 25 years. So for each genetic distance you're off, it means you don't share a common ancestor for 6,250 years. The participant in your group with the same last name who's off 11 markers of 25 is not related to you for a long, long time. It points to a "non-paternal event" meaning an adoption or perhaps an infidelity. You and this person, therefore, are not sharing a common ancestor for about 68,750 years. Humans journeyed from Africa into the Middle East about 75,000 years ago. Those who went towards the East, into the steppes and Asia, developed into the Q haplotype. Therefore, those of Aboriginal descent will likely have some form of Q haplotype. The Indians of North America all share this. I've looked briefly for DNA tests of Aboriginals, but not yet found any. If you do, I'd bet dollars to donuts they are in the Q haplogroup. One point regarding the genetic distance and the years to a MRCA, most recent common ancestor... My project is strong evidence that the genetic markers that are known to mutate more quickly are, in fact, mutating at an astonishing rate of about once every 200 years. Not generations... years!! So take that into account as your examine which markers you differ on with this participant. It sounds like, in this case for you, it won't make that much difference. Best, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:46 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA I guess I am missing something. I understand the genetic concept of a DNA Adam but I don't understand how it relates to the test we are taking.

I guess I am missing something. I understand the genetic concept of a DNA Adam but I don't understand how it relates to the test we are taking. I have a tester in my group with the same last name that is 11 markers of in 25. It is hard to imagine that a Bushman would be closer than that. Are we talking apples and oranges here? Can I get an example somewhere of what a Bushman's 25 marker test might look like? >FYI: >Our DNA is 99.9% identical to all other human beings on Earth. Therefore, >we only have a 0.1% difference in DNA between any of us, which accounts for Given the example above it seems that in this case it is 50% different. John

Hi Wayne 1. Humans are closer to each other genetically than they are to chimpanzees. In fact humans are closer to each other genetically than chimpanzees are to each other, presumably implying that we descend from a quite small population of ancestors in relatively recent millenia. 2. I think your haplotype is R1b and quite close to the so called West Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH) which is the typical Y haplotype of most West European men? If so then the matches you show are not particularly close and could suggest quite ancient connections. The estimates of most common recent ancestor can go very wrong for people in this situaiton because you have so many people with this haplotype walking around that it becomes very likely that several different branches will mutate in the SAME direction, and thus appear more related than they are. Still, there might be a real link between some of these families, and testing more markers might make this more convincing. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Howard Wayne Roberts [mailto:wayne@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 6:47 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA But doesn't Chimpanzees have DNA that's 99% similar to that of humans? So does that make Adam a Chimpanzee, and do all primates descended from him? Couldn't it be that you need to go further back again to find Adam! This would suggest that it may have been rather unfair to cast him out of the garden of Eden, when he may not have had the cognitive thought process to handle the situation. I know it's a bit off subject, but it does seem that our DNA is quite similar between haplotypes, so much so that I am having problems confirming the home of my paternal Ancestor. The majority of surname matches strongly suggest Scotland , and I have close matches with Robertsons and Reids, but at the time of writing the divergence suggests about 700 years ago, and my family were in Gloucestershire in the 1530's! What confuses me is the growing number of continental surnames (although a number are American) whom I could not possibly share a common ancestor within the last 1000 years, unless through adoption and the like, and I think that's unlikely. This would seem to undermine the validity of my matches to variant surnames. My DNA markers between a Robertson and a Reid at 37 markers can be found here:- http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/dna Does anybody else find themselves in the same situation? Best wishes, Wayne CJMax wrote: > Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that > there was someone else besides Adam... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" > <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > >> Basic answers: >> >> 1. Nearly all of it. >> >> 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as >> the last >> common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path >> between >> this person and you. >> >> Regards >> Andrew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM >> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >> >> >> >> >> I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for >> me. >> >> What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? >> >> What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test >> and >> somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? >> >> Thanks >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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But doesn't Chimpanzees have DNA that's 99% similar to that of humans? So does that make Adam a Chimpanzee, and do all primates descended from him? Couldn't it be that you need to go further back again to find Adam! This would suggest that it may have been rather unfair to cast him out of the garden of Eden, when he may not have had the cognitive thought process to handle the situation. I know it's a bit off subject, but it does seem that our DNA is quite similar between haplotypes, so much so that I am having problems confirming the home of my paternal Ancestor. The majority of surname matches strongly suggest Scotland , and I have close matches with Robertsons and Reids, but at the time of writing the divergence suggests about 700 years ago, and my family were in Gloucestershire in the 1530's! What confuses me is the growing number of continental surnames (although a number are American) whom I could not possibly share a common ancestor within the last 1000 years, unless through adoption and the like, and I think that's unlikely. This would seem to undermine the validity of my matches to variant surnames. My DNA markers between a Robertson and a Reid at 37 markers can be found here:- http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/dna Does anybody else find themselves in the same situation? Best wishes, Wayne CJMax wrote: > Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that > there was someone else besides Adam... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" > <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > >> Basic answers: >> >> 1. Nearly all of it. >> >> 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as >> the last >> common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path >> between >> this person and you. >> >> Regards >> Andrew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM >> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >> >> >> >> >> I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for >> me. >> >> What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? >> >> What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test >> and >> somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? >> >> Thanks >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? >> Visit the FAQ page: >> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html >> Want to join the project? Visit: >> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Andrew: You appear to be very knowledgeable. I signed up for the Surname and Clan project and asked my Father as the oldest living male in the family line to represent the family. We received a lot of data but it appears that there is only one person in the data with the same last name Campbell. We went for the 37 marker test. I was hoping for more clear data. We knew that our Great Great GrandMother and Great Great GrandFather were reported to be second or third cousins and reported to have the same last name Campbell. They were born in Glasgow Scotland and married about the mid 1800s and immigrated to Canada and finally down to America. I was afraid this cousin situation could have confused the pool but I certainly expected to have more Campbell ast names than we have found thus far. We see that we received data from 12 marker, possibly 25 marker and a number of mutations 1-4, but we can't make heads of tails out of what it is supposed to be telling us. Would you be able to take a! look at the data and give me a child's story book version of what the data means?:) Thanks William "Bill" Campbell ---------------------------------------- From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:47 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA Hi Wayne 1. Humans are closer to each other genetically than they are to chimpanzees. In fact humans are closer to each other genetically than chimpanzees are to each other, presumably implying that we descend from a quite small population of ancestors in relatively recent millenia. 2. I think your haplotype is R1b and quite close to the so called West Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH) which is the typical Y haplotype of most West European men? If so then the matches you show are not particularly close and could suggest quite ancient connections. The estimates of most common recent ancestor can go very wrong for people in this situaiton because you have so many people with this haplotype walking around that it becomes very likely that several different branches will mutate in the SAME direction, and thus appear more related than they are. Still, there might be a real link between some of these families, and testing more markers might make this more convincing. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Howard Wayne Roberts [mailto:wayne@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 6:47 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA But doesn't Chimpanzees have DNA that's 99% similar to that of humans? So does that make Adam a Chimpanzee, and do all primates descended from him? Couldn't it be that you need to go further back again to find Adam! This would suggest that it may have been rather unfair to cast him out of the garden of Eden, when he may not have had the cognitive thought process to handle the situation. I know it's a bit off subject, but it does seem that our DNA is quite similar between haplotypes, so much so that I am having problems confirming the home of my paternal Ancestor. The majority of surname matches strongly suggest Scotland , and I have close matches with Robertsons and Reids, but at the time of writing the divergence suggests about 700 years ago, and my family were in Gloucestershire in the 1530's! What confuses me is the growing number of continental surnames (although a number are American) whom I could not possibly share a common ancestor within the last 1000 years, unless through adoption and the like, and I think that's unlikely. This would seem to undermine the validity of my matches to variant surnames. My DNA markers between a Robertson and a Reid at 37 markers can be found here:- http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/dna Does anybody else find themselves in the same situation? Best wishes, Wayne CJMax wrote: > Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that > there was someone else besides Adam... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > >> Basic answers: >> >> 1. Nearly all of it. >> >> 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as >> the last >> common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path >> between >> this person and you. >> >> Regards >> Andrew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM >> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA >> >> >> >> >> I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for >> me. >> >> What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? >> >> What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test >> and >> somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? >> >> Thanks >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. 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Basic answers: 1. Nearly all of it. 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as the last common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path between this person and you. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for me. What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test and somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? Thanks John ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hmmm, I can just imagine the uproar if and when they discover that there was someone else besides Adam... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > Basic answers: > > 1. Nearly all of it. > > 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as the > last > common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path between > this person and you. > > Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > > > > I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for me. > > What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? > > What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test and > somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting > anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? > Visit the FAQ page: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Want to join the project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Googd answer. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew and Inge [mailto:andrew.en.inge@skynet.be] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:27 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA Basic answers: 1. Nearly all of it. 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as the last common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path between this person and you. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for me. What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test and somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? Thanks John ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? Visit the FAQ page: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html Want to join the project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

FYI: Our DNA is 99.9% identical to all other human beings on Earth. Therefore, we only have a 0.1% difference in DNA between any of us, which accounts for the diversity of characteristics among us as well as the slight differences in the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA which allow us to trace family relationships and migrations. Fascinating stuff! Elena McComas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Roberts" <k.w.roberts@swbell.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > Googd answer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew and Inge [mailto:andrew.en.inge@skynet.be] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:27 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > Basic answers: > > 1. Nearly all of it. > > 2. Everyone is related to "Adam" because Y DNA Adam is *defined* as the > last > common paternal ancestor of all men. More interesting is the path between > this person and you. > > Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shankland(Train) [mailto:Shankland@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2006 1:56 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Deep DNA > > > > > I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for me. > > What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? > > What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test and > somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting > anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? > Visit the FAQ page: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html > Want to join the project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will > provide a private answer. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I wonder if someone in this group could answer a generic question for me. What part of my DNA is the same as the Bushman? What I am confused about is the Geo project required a 12 marker test and somehow from these 12 markers they can see that I am related to "ADAM"? Thanks John

Hello everyone Trying to list all the raw data about the so-called Scots haplotype I have updated the following webpage... http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Scots%20Cluster.htm Regards Andrew

Hello to All, I'd like to start off by saying I'm new to DNA studies. That said, I think I have something to share that might relate to the experience some are having with finding DNA matches (of varying degrees) to surnames other than their own. And I've heard or read where some might call some matches of this type "a none parental event" or words to that effect. And I'm sure in some cases that may very well be the case. But I'd like to offer another possibility or way of thinking towards future research of connection between two or more surnames. My maiden name is FINLEY and going way back we are connected to the Clan FIONNLAGH. But I've learned that way back some of the clan took on different surnames: examples: MacEarachar or Farquharson or McFinlay or Finlayson, and of this branch Fionnlodh or Finlay or Finley. I'd like to share an example from my own genealogical research on my FINLEY lineage. My father traces back to: 1. Findlaech McRuaidhri (FINLEY) (d. 1020) Earl of Moray -- father of 2. Macbeth / MACBETH MAC FINDLAECH Macbeth's pedigree, in MS Rawl B. 502, a believed reliable source of genealogies, shows his descent from Ferchair, who held the kingship of Dalriada in the late seventh century. MACBETH's death ended a dynasty (Ireland and Scotland). At the time of his death, his children were young, so the Clan FIONNLAGH placed his stepson, LULACH, on the throne. He only reigned 6 months, being defeated and slain at Eske in Strathbogie by the Saxon invaders and the rebellious adherents of Malcolm CANMORE. After LULACH, no other member of the Clan FIONNLAGH has been on the throne of Scotland to the present day. Members of the clan became hunted outlaws, long before religious persecution drove them from the British Isles. And this may be reason why some changed their names. 3. MacBeatha McFinlay b. 1045 Cromarty, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland; d. 1093 Cromarty, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland; md. 1079 Bethoca McBrad daughter of Andrew McBrad MacBeatha McFinley, Thane of Cromarty; (b. bef. 1057 in Cromarty ; d. 1093) Married Bethoca, daughter of Andrew McBrad (McBride.) Macbeatha McFinlay, a younger son of Macbeth, was 1060-1093, Thane of Cromarty; married Bethoca, daughter of Andrew McBrad (McBride.) 4. Ruari (Rory) McFinlay b. 1080 Cromarty, Ross Cromarty, Scotland (source Patricia GUINIVAN Apt. 19 767 Springfield Avenue Summit, NJ 07901 as per FamilySearch.Com) Thane of Crumbacty (Cromarty), 1100 to 1152 5. Fergus McFinlay b. 1145 Aberdeenshire, Scotland; d. Ross and Cromarty, Scotland; md. McHardy (MacHardy): md. ?? 6. Eugenius McFinlay b./ 1184 Perthshire, Scotland; d. 1223 Aberdeenshire, Scotland; md. ?? 7. Fearchar McFinlay b. 1210; CHIEF OF CLAN Fionnladh (b. 1236, Aberdeenshire) (Held large tracts at Strathdie, Parish of Crothie, in the Braes of Mar, head of Aberdeenshire, in 1236. Chief of Clan Fionnladh, as sept of the confederation of Clan Chattan.) Married Daughter and heiress of Patrick MCDONACHADH. In the year of 1236, in the Braces of May, the head of Aberdeenshire, there was a certain Chief named Fearchar, who was head of a powerful Clan known in the Highlands as Clan Fionnladh. This sect of the great confederation Clan Chattan, held large possessions and from earliest accounts had located in Strathdie in the Parish of Crothie. From this Fearchar, the Clan takes the name of MacEarachar or Farquharson. The Chiefs were lineally descended from the ancient Thanes of Moray and Ross of whom the most famous was Macbeth. The descendants of this Fearchar had settled on the borders of the Countries of Perth and Angus. Some took the name of MacEaracher or Farquharson, others the name of McFinlay or Finlayson, and of this branch Fionnlodh or Finlay or Finley. This makes me wonder if of the surname Farquharson's of various spellings would match any of the Finley's of various spellings? Warmly, Linda Finley Rogers-Fefferman

Dear All: Here is the latest status report on the Scottish Clans DNA testing programs as of March 31 2006 Please let me know if you would like your surname or Clan project added to this list. Best Regards John A Hansen Scottish Clans DNA Project Admin jahansen@brigadoon.net www.beintouch.com The Scottish Clans project at Family Tree is at: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna If you are already a project member at some other surname project then you can merely click on the "request to join" on the upper left hand corner. You can also have your DNA tested by going to: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=R56404 You may need to enter the Code R56404 if your browser doesn't send all the requested codes OK. A brief outline of the details of the Scottish Clans DNA project is at: www.scottishdna.net www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.html Electric Scotland has also generously allowed us to post the current status of the Clans DNA programs. You will also want to sign up for the weekly email from Alastair. The Electric Scotland Clans are at: Index: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/index.html Detailed List: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/clanmenu.htm Last Months status report is at: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm The Scottish Clans are also involved in DNA testing programs. A summary of those programs can be found at the URL's below: Scottish Clans DNA Status Reports as of March 31 2006: Surnames: Armstrong: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/armstrong/index.aspx Baird: http://bairddna.com Bruce: http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm Elder: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder/index.aspx Lamont: http://www.lamont-young.com/lamont/ McCown: http://www.mccown.org/pages/dna.htm Peden: www.familytreedna.com/public/peden/index.aspx Scott: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottDNAproject/index.aspx Walker: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Efabercove/ Young: http://www.lamont-young.com/ Clans: Clan Bell http://www.clanbell.org/usa/dna.php Clan Boyd: http://www.boyddna.net/ Clan Blair http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/ Clan Campbell http://www.ccsna.org/ http://www.waltier.com/dna.htm Clan Cameron http://www.clan-cameron.org/dna/ Clan Donnachaidh ( also Clan Robertson) http://www.donnachaidh.com/ http://www.familytreedna.com/(otbcvd55zewfut55aaodll55)/public/clandonnachaidh/index.aspx http://www.robertson.org/ http://www.donnachaidh.com/Clan%20DNA.htm http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm Clan Farquharson http://www.farquharson-clan.co.uk/dna.html Clan Fletcher http://www.spaceless.com/fletcher/ http://www.genealogy.fletcher.net/ Clan Galbraith http://www.clangalbraith.org/ http://www.clangalbraith.org/DNATesting/GalbraithDNAProject.htm http://www.clangalbraith.org/DNATesting/ProjectDetails.htm Clan Kennedy: http://www.kennedydna.com Clan Hamilton http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/Results.html Clan Lindsay http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_project.htm http://www.clanlindsay.com/afflect_surname_dna_project.htm Clan MacAulay: www.macaulay.org Clan MacFarlane: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacFarlane/index.aspx Clan MacGregor http://www.clangregor.org/macgregor/dna.html Clan MacKinlay http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mckinlay Clan MacLean http://www.maclean.org http://www.maclean.org/clan-maclean-dna.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/clanmaclean/index.aspx Sign Up http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=U70715&special=true Clan MacLeod: www.clanmacleod.org Clan Irwin http://www.clanirwin.org/dnastudy.php Clan OBrien http://www.obrienclan.com/DNA.htm Clan Livingstone http://www.clanlivingstone.com/ http://www.familytreedna.com/public/livingston_maclea_dna/index.aspx Clan Moffat http://www.clanmoffatdna.com/ ClanMoffatDNAProject@btinternet.com Clan Stirling http://clanstirling.org/phpBB2/index.php http://www.stirling-dna.info http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=Q12782&special=True Clan Healy http://www.healyfn.com/ Clans Of Ireland http://www.theclansofireland.ie/dna.html Nice Web site and Links to the Clans of Ireland ( lots of Scottish Dna is probably here as well) Clan MacKenzie http://theellisons.net/dna/index.htm www.electricscotland.com/mackenzie http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=C14461 alan@mkz.com. Clan MacMillian http://www.clanmacmillan.org/Genealogy/Adhania%20Y-DNA.PDF Clan MacLeod http://www.clanmacleodusa.org/DNA%20Study%20Genetics%20Of%20Clan%20Macleod.htm Clan MacGee http://www.mymcgee.com/ Clan MacInnes http://macinnes.org/misc/dnatesting.php Clan Morrison http://home.mindspring.com/~efholcombe/ Clan Rattray http://www.clanrattray.org/dnaproject.htm Clan Stewart http://www.angelfire.com/nb/stewartdna/ Clan Urquhart http://www.urquhart.org/ http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Urquhart/index.aspx jahansen@brigadoon.net www.beintouch.com

All: Alastair changed the directory for the Electric Scotland URL John A Hansen Hi John... added this to the site and as you are doing a monthly update have created a new index page at http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_projectndx.htm Alastair ----------- Alastair McIntyre KTJ, FSA Scot. Electric Scotland http://www.electricscotland.com http://www.scotsearch.org

Dear All: Here is the latest status report on the Scottish Clans DNA testing programs as of March 31 2006 Please let me know if you would like your surname or Clan project added to this list. Best Regards John A Hansen Scottish Clans DNA Project Admin jahansen@brigadoon.net www.beintouch.com The Scottish Clans project at Family Tree is at: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna If you are already a project member at some other surname project then you can merely click on the "request to join" on the upper left hand corner. You can also have your DNA tested by going to: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=R56404 You may need to enter the Code R56404 if your browser doesn't send all the requested codes OK. A brief outline of the details of the Scottish Clans DNA project is at: www.scottishdna.net www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.html Electric Scotland has also generously allowed us to post the current status of the Clans DNA programs. You will also want to sign up for the weekly email from Alastair. The Electric Scotland Clans are at: Index: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/index.html Detailed List: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/clanmenu.htm Last Months status report is at: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm The Scottish Clans are also involved in DNA testing programs. A summary of those programs can be found at the URL's below: Scottish Clans DNA Status Reports as of March 31 2006: Surnames: Armstrong: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/armstrong/index.aspx Baird: http://bairddna.com Bruce: http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm Elder: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder/index.aspx Lamont: http://www.lamont-young.com/lamont/ Peden: www.familytreedna.com/public/peden/index.aspx Scott: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottDNAproject/index.aspx Walker: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Efabercove/ Young: http://www.lamont-young.com/ Clans: Clan Bell http://www.clanbell.org/usa/dna.php Clan Boyd: http://www.boyddna.net/ Clan Blair http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/ Clan Campbell http://www.ccsna.org/ http://www.waltier.com/dna.htm Clan Cameron http://www.clan-cameron.org/dna/ Clan Donnachaidh ( also Clan Robertson) http://www.donnachaidh.com/ http://www.familytreedna.com/(otbcvd55zewfut55aaodll55)/public/clandonnachaidh/index.aspx http://www.robertson.org/ http://www.donnachaidh.com/Clan%20DNA.htm http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm Clan Farquharson http://www.farquharson-clan.co.uk/dna.html Clan Fletcher http://www.spaceless.com/fletcher/ http://www.genealogy.fletcher.net/ Clan Galbraith http://www.clangalbraith.org/ http://www.clangalbraith.org/DNATesting/GalbraithDNAProject.htm http://www.clangalbraith.org/DNATesting/ProjectDetails.htm Clan Hamilton http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/Results.html Clan Lindsay http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_project.htm http://www.clanlindsay.com/afflect_surname_dna_project.htm Clan MacGregor http://www.clangregor.org/macgregor/dna.html Clan MacLean http://www.maclean.org http://www.maclean.org/clan-maclean-dna.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/clanmaclean/index.aspx Sign Up http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=U70715&special=true Clan Irwin http://www.clanirwin.org/dnastudy.php Clan OBrien http://www.obrienclan.com/DNA.htm Clan Livingstone http://www.clanlivingstone.com/ http://www.familytreedna.com/public/livingston_maclea_dna/index.aspx Clan Moffat http://www.clanmoffatdna.com/ ClanMoffatDNAProject@btinternet.com Clan Stirling http://clanstirling.org/phpBB2/index.php http://www.stirling-dna.info http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=Q12782&special=True Clan Healy http://www.healyfn.com/ Clans Of Ireland http://www.theclansofireland.ie/dna.html Nice Web site and Links to the Clans of Ireland ( lots of Scottish Dna is probably here as well) Clan MacKenzie http://theellisons.net/dna/index.htm www.electricscotland.com/mackenzie http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=C14461 alan@mkz.com. Clan MacMillian http://www.clanmacmillan.org/Genealogy/Adhania%20Y-DNA.PDF Clan MacLeod http://www.clanmacleodusa.org/DNA%20Study%20Genetics%20Of%20Clan%20Macleod.htm Clan MacGee http://www.mymcgee.com/ Clan MacInnes http://macinnes.org/misc/dnatesting.php Clan Morrison http://home.mindspring.com/~efholcombe/ Clan Rattray http://www.clanrattray.org/dnaproject.htm Clan Stewart http://www.angelfire.com/nb/stewartdna/ Clan Urquhart http://www.urquhart.org/ http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Urquhart/index.aspx

There is a library of articles on the Family Tree DNA website, and there are many references linked from these websites: http://www.worldfamilies.net/ http://www.isogg.org/ Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Meb42639@aol.com [mailto:Meb42639@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 7:44 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Y - Mutation research Does anyone out there know of a site that discusses scientific research done on mutations? Charlie Scott ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Have questions about the lab? About privacy? About the process? Visit the FAQ page: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html Want to join the project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks, Cliff - appreciated your input and it will help us decide what our next step will be. Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] E3b halogroup > The 12-marker test is a teaser. It gets 85% of the people into a > haplogroup and not much else. > > > With no one else with your surname being in the same haplogroup I'd > suggest that you just wait to get a 37-marker upgrade done. Who knows? > With prices going lower, it may save you a few bucks in the long run. > IMO, the 25-marker test is a waste of time and money. It's not definative > enough to link you close enough to anyone to be of value. One needs the > 37-marker test to do that. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evelyn" <esleslie@bellsouth.net> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:13 PM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] E3b halogroup > > >>I hope no one minds my asking this question on the Scots forum, but since >>it was suggested that one poster join the E3b group study maybe it's o.k. >>My brother tested E3b on our non-Scot surname project, but we only did the >>12-marker testing through FTDNA a few years ago. We thought we'd >>eventually add more markers if we matched anyone on our surname project. >>The project is now up to 72 participants and we are still the only E3b. >>My brother was finally going to go ahead and order more markers. Should >>he go ahead with adding markers or can they do the E3b SNP with just 12? >> >> By the way, our family lore says we were from Wales - undocumented but >> Grandpa said so...... >> Evelyn >> esleslie@bellsouth.net >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. >> Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the >> web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. >> Want to join the Project? Visit: >> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Thanks Andrew. Charlie Scott

For example see: http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/Derenko_Siberian.pdf -----Original Message----- From: jimhalcrow [mailto:jimhalcrow@waitrose.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 11:50 PM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] R1a Study I have checked information about I1a but I would still like to know more about R1a or R1a1. I have had a FTDNA test but my surname does not seem to be on ysearch. Can anyone help? Jim Halcrow ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating in a project. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx