Hi all, I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the French Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line of England? Rich Burns >From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 > >Hi Cliff > >I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. > >For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ > >Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". > >Best Regards >Andrew > >-----Original Message----- >From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > >Jerry, > >I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >year. >At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. > >Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish >Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >haplogroup. > >I found the following on I1a: > >I1a >The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found >most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe >and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >found >at low frequencies. > > >Cliff. Johnston >"May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" >from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >----- Original Message ----- >From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > > > Hi, > > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >Danish? > > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. > > Thanks > > Jerry Whitten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >Need to contact the list admin? >Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >Want to post? >Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >Want to join the Project? Visit: >http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Those who are interested in how Danish Viking DNA became so widespread in Britain would probably be interested in the article in the 1911 Britannica article on the Danelagh (Danelaw) the name given to those districts in the north and north-east of England which were settled by Danes and other Scandinavian invaders during the period of the Viking invasions. A small portion of the article is quoted below. David Rorer DANELAGH." LoveToKnow 1911 Online Encyclopedia. C 2003, 2004 LoveToKnow. http://58.1911encyclopedia.org/D/DA/DANELAGH.htm The whole of the place nomenclature of Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire and Northern Northamptonshire is Scandinavian rather than native English, and in the remaining districts of the Danelagh a goodly proportion of Danish place-names may be found. Their influence is also evident in the dialects spoken in these districts to the present day. It is probable that until the end of the 10th century Scandinavian dialects were almost the sole language spoken in the district of the Danelagh, and when English triumphed, after an intermediate bilingual state, large numbers of words were adopted from the earlier Scandinavian speech > -----Original Message----- > From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:25 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > Jerry, > > I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last year. > At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" > haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. > > Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish > Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this > haplogroup. > > I found the following on I1a: > > I1a > The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found > most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe > and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is found > at low frequencies. > > > Cliff. Johnston

Susan -- Practically speaking, mtDNA will give you your MOTHER's heritage thru her mother, grandmother, etc back to the "Seven Daughters of Eve." Because women's surnames generally change with each generation, it makes it difficult to establish a matrilineal line. Cheers, Jim Gordon

Hi, Recently John Hansen posted a very succinct and informative message summarizing the major Scottish DNA studies and websites. It was mentioned that some mtDNA results are also being included. I have been considering doing this, but am unsure which of the Family Tree DNA tests would be the best and most informative Would someone please be kind enough to enlighten me and other female listmembers which mtDNA test would provide the most complete information available? Also, what type of information can one expect to obtain from such a test? Thank you, Susan Carlson

Andrew, Thanks for the update on Ken's site - it's a very fast moving haplogroup...lol... I've had 3 names for it since having my Y-DNA tested, and that was only a wee bit over a year ago. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Hi Cliff > > I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to > have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. > > For more notes by Ken see his webpage: > http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ > > Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". > > Best Regards > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] > Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > > Jerry, > > I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last > year. > At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" > haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. > > Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish > Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this > haplogroup. > > I found the following on I1a: > > I1a > The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found > most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe > and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is > found > at low frequencies. > > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > >> Hi, >> I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >> Danish? >> My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >> Thanks >> Jerry Whitten >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely > of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE > in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration > for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work > necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been > submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Need to contact the list admin? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com > Want to post? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? > Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Cliff I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. For more notes by Ken see his webpage: http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". Best Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries Jerry, I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last year. At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this haplogroup. I found the following on I1a: I1a The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is found at low frequencies. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Hi, > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a Danish? > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. > Thanks > Jerry Whitten > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Jerry, I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last year. At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this haplogroup. I found the following on I1a: I1a The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is found at low frequencies. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Hi, > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a Danish? > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. > Thanks > Jerry Whitten > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi, I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a Danish? My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. Thanks Jerry Whitten ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Ray, > > I've heard other comments about going beyond the 37-marker test - not that > worthwhile. > > At this point you're pretty much where I am. We've found a rather select > sub-group of the clan. Now we have to concentrate on finding a paper > trail and convincing others with the same surname to get their Y-DNA > tested. There's only so much that Y-DNA tests can do. > > In my case it put me in a rather small group of Johnston/es - I1c or > Danish Viking. There are approximately a half dozen of us who match up. > We're communicating via email - each helping the others as we try to > refine our research methods and directions. I put them on my Johnston > Family Newsletter (rather small, but family). In addition I've got a > PBase gallery for family photos: > http://www.pbase.com/cjmax/photo_restoration&page=all As we find > something, we all communicate PDQ. I'd suggest that you try the same. It > all adds up. It works. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M" <fisemicr@yahoo.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:26 AM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > >> 25 markers showed I was probably in the Keppoch branch >> of the MacDonalds, 37 pretty much narrowed it to the >> Bohuntins. I have upgraded beyond that but that >> information so far has not yielded any insights. >> >> Ray MacDonald >> ------------- >> >> >> You're only getting there part way. The 37-marker test will give you a >> better idea of how recently you and the other McDonald have a common >> ancestor. It's a great start though. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ >> Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting >> anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages > for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. > These questions can be responded to off list. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Ray, I've heard other comments about going beyond the 37-marker test - not that worthwhile. At this point you're pretty much where I am. We've found a rather select sub-group of the clan. Now we have to concentrate on finding a paper trail and convincing others with the same surname to get their Y-DNA tested. There's only so much that Y-DNA tests can do. In my case it put me in a rather small group of Johnston/es - I1c or Danish Viking. There are approximately a half dozen of us who match up. We're communicating via email - each helping the others as we try to refine our research methods and directions. I put them on my Johnston Family Newsletter (rather small, but family). In addition I've got a PBase gallery for family photos: http://www.pbase.com/cjmax/photo_restoration&page=all As we find something, we all communicate PDQ. I'd suggest that you try the same. It all adds up. It works. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "M" <fisemicr@yahoo.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > 25 markers showed I was probably in the Keppoch branch > of the MacDonalds, 37 pretty much narrowed it to the > Bohuntins. I have upgraded beyond that but that > information so far has not yielded any insights. > > Ray MacDonald > ------------- > > > You're only getting there part way. The 37-marker test will give you a > better idea of how recently you and the other McDonald have a common > ancestor. It's a great start though. > > Cliff. Johnston > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting > anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

25 markers showed I was probably in the Keppoch branch of the MacDonalds, 37 pretty much narrowed it to the Bohuntins. I have upgraded beyond that but that information so far has not yielded any insights. Ray MacDonald ------------- You're only getting there part way. The 37-marker test will give you a better idea of how recently you and the other McDonald have a common ancestor. It's a great start though. Cliff. Johnston

A couple of fundamental questions from someone one new to the concept of genealogical DNA. As first step I had a 12 marker Y test completed. The results provided 2 exact matches and 8 with a genetic distance of 1. None of the matches had the same surname as my own, however, so I understand that my relationship with these other gentlemen is quite distant. I would appreciate advice on whether one of the more comprehensive tests would be worthwhile in my instance. Is it possible that 12Y or any of the more extensive tests could help determine which branch of Clan Donald I descend from? Given the geographical location and anecdotal evidence Keppoch (so Clan Ranald) is the most likely . Athol McDonald

Jim: Thanks for the referral to Electric Scotland. That URL is correct... but the one that covers the most recent updates for the status at the Clans and Families is at: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_projectndx.htm Thanks for your interest. Best Regards John A Hansen www.beintouch.com http://lcp.beintouch.com/scotland/splash-scotland.html -----Original Message----- From: Jimgordo1@aol.com [mailto:Jimgordo1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:16 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Re: Fundamental queries <snip> You can also check out the Scottish DNA Project at Electric Scotland (_http://electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm_ (http://electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm) Cheers, Jim Gordon

Ray, You're only getting there part way. The 37-marker test will give you a better idea of how recently you and the other McDonald have a common ancestor. It's a great start though. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "M" <fisemicr@yahoo.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Re: Fundamental queries > Hi Athol. I am a MacDonald that first tested > 12 markers ( with the Clan Donald Family Tree DNA > project). I had some matches but was told by > the project administrator that little could be > told from 12 markers. I upgraded to 25 markers > and was lucky enough to get one perfect match > with a McDonald. He is of Keppoch branch, > Bohuntin cadet family. I've now got a direction > to go in to break through my brick wall. > > Any questions, please email me at the address > below. > > Raymond MacDonald > fisemicr@yahoo.com > > --- > From: "acmcdonald" <macdon@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Fundamental queries > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:18:49 +1000 > > A couple of fundamental questions from someone one new > to the concept of genealogical DNA. > > As first step I had a 12 marker Y test completed. The > results provided 2 exact matches and 8 with a genetic > distance of 1. None of the matches had the same > surname as my own, however, so I understand that my > relationship with these other gentlemen is quite > distant. > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Need to contact the list admin? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com > Want to post? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? > Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thanks for the update John. A comment on the sort function, this is great to have, but, only the allele columns are sorted, which results in lost connectivity to the participants information once a column is sorted. The entire data field should be sorted so all data remains consistent once sorted. Thanks, John Carr On Jun 4, 2006, at 6:37 PM, John A Hansen wrote: > Dear All: > > The June 1 2006 update is now posted in the > files at on the project web site at www.myfamily.com

> come close to someone of another surname. Not matching any others of your > surname leads to the conclusion of a "non-paternity event" in family > history > (adoption [legal or otherwise], out-of-wedlock birth, etc.). It can also indicate families taking the same surname for the same reasons but not genetically related to each other. After all not all blacksmiths (Smith) were related to each other. In my case, from Shank's land or from the shank of land (Shankland) has turned up 50% not related. We believe that these are independent families not NPEs. John

Athol -- The first question I have is: Did you check your DNA results against other M(a)cDonalds? I ask because you say none of those you compared against had the same surname as you. Before you go beating your head against a stone wall in trying to find SOMEONE who matches your DNA you should first compare it against other M(a)cDonalds. If on a 12-marker test you show a genetic distance of one from any other M(a)cDonalds, then proceed with the 25 or 37-marker test to refine your relationship. If, upon comparing your DNA with others of your surname and find NO close matches, then you should do a general search of the Y-DNA Database to see if you come close to someone of another surname. Not matching any others of your surname leads to the conclusion of a "non-paternity event" in family history (adoption [legal or otherwise], out-of-wedlock birth, etc.). If you tested with Family Tree DNA under a surname Project, you should have received an evaluation from your Project Administrator showing you the chances of your relationship to to others, In any event, go to the Y-Search home page (_http://www.ysearch.org/add_start.asp?uid_ (http://www.ysearch.org/add_start.asp?uid) =) and set up an account for yourself. Just follow the instructions. Once you have done that you can then search the Y-DNA Database for matches (or near matches). You can also check out the Scottish DNA Project at Electric Scotland (_http://electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm_ (http://electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_project.htm) ) BTW, a 12-marker test is nearly inconclusive unless you have a lot of instances of 0 (zero) genetic distance. I hope this helps out. Cheers, Jim Gordon

Hi Athol. I am a MacDonald that first tested 12 markers ( with the Clan Donald Family Tree DNA project). I had some matches but was told by the project administrator that little could be told from 12 markers. I upgraded to 25 markers and was lucky enough to get one perfect match with a McDonald. He is of Keppoch branch, Bohuntin cadet family. I've now got a direction to go in to break through my brick wall. Any questions, please email me at the address below. Raymond MacDonald fisemicr@yahoo.com --- From: "acmcdonald" <macdon@iinet.net.au> Subject: Fundamental queries Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:18:49 +1000 A couple of fundamental questions from someone one new to the concept of genealogical DNA. As first step I had a 12 marker Y test completed. The results provided 2 exact matches and 8 with a genetic distance of 1. None of the matches had the same surname as my own, however, so I understand that my relationship with these other gentlemen is quite distant.

Dear All: The June 1 2006 update is now posted in the files at on the project web site at www.myfamily.com You can request access to this web site by emailing Charlotte Broun at charlottebroun@iprimus.com.au This is a "split screen" version of the 1 June 2006 Scot DNA Database. You can remove the split screen by merely going under the Tabs on the top and remove the splits. This database contains over 1100 Y Dna samples. The MtDna datasbase will be updated again in the near future. To determine if there is a potential match ...you would merely: A: Add your specific DNA results in line 16 B: Scroll the screen to each DNA entry to compare the results. There is also the capability of using the arrows to set a particular group of test scores in the box and that will then bring up all tests that match that particular setting. Charlotte Broun gets the credit for this particular creative method :-). Be careful to note that you are then rearranging all the results entries so only change one DYS setting at a time to compare results. Some of you may also have results from other Labs and also want to be included in this database . You can send your test results to DNACLANS@brigadoon.net or to Marsha at: rms54549@tca.net She will then convert to the standard format for the database. Scottish Clans DNA Project Overview: There are 5 components to the total Project. You can select any or all of these items as you wish. There is no requirement for example, to do the DNA testing in our project. We only provide this service as a means to be able to have potential contributors obtain the discounts that are available to all registered Surname and Geographic projects. A: The testing at Family Tree DNA. If you request the DNA kit through our project then I get access to the records. Your records are then compared to the other records and a notice of a match is sent to you automatically. You can also request to join the Scottish Clans DNA project from another project so your records are then compared with the other test results in the Scottish Clans DNA database. Family Tree is now allowing people to have their results listed in several DNA projects. You can also click on the link below to begin the process for your DNA test at Family Tree DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=R56404 You may need to enter the Code R56404 if your browser doesn't send all requested codes. Please look carefully at the various tests that are available. We are, in general, recommending the 37 or the new 57 marker test in order to establish more meaningful results. The 12 and 25 marker test can provide some initial indications of a negative or non - connection, but is usually too general to indicate any positive relationships. However, you are welcome to send in a 12 or 25 marker test for comparison. There are mtDNA results ( 88 results) coming in now as well , but it is still early in that process so there are fewer results to compare to yet. It is very beneficial to get your results listed for future reference. B: The mailing list as administered by Lauren Boyd. You would join the mailing list in the normal way by sending an email to: SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com> with the one word : Subscribe in the body of the message. There is also a wealth of info available ( 3 years of research reports and analysis) in these mailing list archives are at www.rootsweb.com <http://www.rootsweb.com> C: The Web site as administered by Charlotte Braun. There are lots of records, genealogy trees, advices, and misc information. The main database ( 1150 Scottish DNA tests) are available through this web site. http://www.myfamily.com/ The web site is available by sending a email to Charlotte Broun at: charlottebroun@iprimus.com.au subject=Join Web Site> or to DNACLANS@brigadoon.net D: You may already have DNA results, or once you get your results and then want to share in the Main database. The "database" is administered by Marsha. This is then posted on the private web site for everyone. We do this since it is only accessed by people we know and not just the general public ( ala a general web site). You would then merely forward your results to Marsha at the email address : rms54549@tca.net <mailto:rms54549@tca.net> She will translate those results into the format that is used in the database. However, we do not automatically include any records in our database until the person submits them to Marsha and also gives us permission to publish them. E: Some New Web Sites of Interest: There are also some new web sites that are of interest. a: www.brigadoon.net/scottishdna.htm has some related information on the total project. Another mirror web site is at : www.scottishdna.net is also under construction. b: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_projectndx.htm has updates on the various Scottish Clans and Families that have active DNA projects as well as updates on our project. c: www.scottishdna.org is being revamped to present some analysis tools. d: There is also a new web site at Family Tree DNA. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Scottishdna/index.aspx There are 88 MtDna results and I've activated the locations as well. There are 250 Y Dna Results posted here as well. You can also request to join the Family Tree group of the Scottish Clans project here by merely clicking on the box in the upper left hand corner. This web site will now publish all DNA test results where the person has been tested at FamilyTree DNA and authorized the public display of those records in our Scottish Clans DNA project. There is also one more very significant benefit. The web site compares the various DNA results and issues notices to those results that look very close. It also provides a initial indication of the Haplotype as well. F: Electric Scotland: I've also included links to the Scottish Clans and Families at Electric Scotland. Alastair McIntyre has also graciously allowed us to provide those links for a general genealogy background on most of the Scottish Clans & Families. Some of the reports also include an update on the specific DNA testing programs for those groups. He also publishes a weekly letter as well that is very timely and interesting ( even sometimes humorous). Electric Scotland is also publishing the latest status reports on our project along with other Scottish Surnames and Clans that I find. Index of Clans and Families http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/index.html Detailed List: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/clanmenu.html The Scottish DNA status reports are at http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dna_projectndx.htm This web site carries a list of the Clans and Families DNA projects that I've found or been notified of existence as well as the updates on our project. You can also do me a big favor by clicking on the Icon on top of Electric Scotland labeled " Whats behind the Kilt" :-) We would also appreciate it very much if you would let other Scottish Descendants and Clan members know of our group. Please feel free to forward this posting to anyone ( or group) that you think might be interested. Best Regards John A Hansen Scotttish Clans DNA Project Admin jahansen@brigadoon.net www.beintouch.com

Hi Nelda: Those were all in Dumfriesshire (county) Scotland on the south western area (Lowlands). Many Scots moved to Ireland and some returned following the possibility of fertile land and work. Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Beatty, Scotland > Stuart, > Please forgive me.. but Are these cemeteries in Scotland? Ireland? Where? > > It will help knowing what country/county?? > > Again I thank you > Nelda > > > > Nelda's websites - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > Gilpin DNA Project member > > > BEATTIE/BEATTY/BEATY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS =96=20 > MIDDLEBIE PARISH > > > CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND > > BEATTIE MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS > > # 12 - Andrew Beattie in Springfield who died 5th September `1797 age 63 = > years=20 > also Jean=20 > Johnston his spouse who died 16th February 1821 age 81 years also = > William Andrew=20 > and Simon=20 > Beattie their sons who died abroad. > > # 14 - Here lyes the body of Margaret Bryden spouse to John Beattie in = > Conhes=20 > who died 13th=20 > August 1743 age 29 years. (coat of arms) > > # 15 - Here lyes Andrew Beaty in Blackcroft who died August 1759 of age = > 80 years=20 > also Shibela Irving his spouse who died in June 1731 of age 48 years = > also=20 > William Beattie in Lockmaben who died 22nd November 1797 of age 80 years = > also=20 > Ann Thomson his spouse who died August 14th 1787 of age 57 years also = > their son=20 > Hames Beaty who died May 25th 1777 of age 25 years also Ann Beaty their = > daughter=20 > who died young also Margaret Beaty their daughter who died young. > > # 26 - William Tait who died in Scotsbridge February 2nd 1799 age 82 = > years also=20 > Jean Armstrong his spouse who died 3rd March 1793 age 60 years also = > Margaret=20 > Tait who died June 2nd 1794 age 20 years also William Tait who died at = > > Grainhall July 1st 1828 age 61 years and Hannah Beattie his wife who = > died at=20 > Craighouse 9th February 1848 age 81 years. > > # 76 - Agnes Beattie spouse to William Jardine in Craigs who died 6th = > May 1795=20 > age 41 years also William his son who died 1st May 1795 age 3 years also = > Agnes=20 > his daughter who died 1st December 1797 age 16 years also Robert his son = > who=20 > died 2nd October 1801 age 21 years lying in Applegirth. > > # 130 - Thomas and William Bell, sons to George Bell in Grainhall. = > Thomas died=20 > 23rd March 1751 age 11 years William died 29th November 1750 age 3 years = > also=20 > John Bell who died 19th March 1780 age 34 years also Helen Beattie his = > spouse=20 > who died 3rd October 1815 age 63 years. (coat of arms) > > > PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND > > # 167 - John Beattie who died in Eaglesfield 12th January 1847 age 76 = > years.=20 > (post 1855 inscriptions) > > # 170 - Isabella Holliday wife of William Beattie in Grainhall who died = > 6th June=20 > 1846 age 73 years. > > > > # 258 - John Steele who died in Stirkpool 1st July 1821 age 59 years = > also Mary=20 > Beattie spouse to George Steele in Creca who died 1st February 1836 age = > 36 years=20 > also Jane their daughter who died 29th August 1833 age 2 months (Post = > 1855=20 > Inscriptions) > > MIDDLEBIE CHURCH BURIAL GROUNDS > > # 229 - Here lyes the body of Walter Bell son of William Bell of Hots = > who=20 > departed this life 1770 age 10 years and the said William Bell who died = > at=20 > Stoneybeck March 22nd 1791 age 74 years also Janet Beattie his spouse = > who died=20 > 30th March 1802 in Carterton aged 76 years also Jean Hope spouse to = > above=20 > William Bell who died at Blackwoodridge 12th September 1821 age 63 years = > also=20 > William Bell their son who died at Scalebridge 2nd January 1818 age 14 = > years=20 > also John Bell-------------who died at Carterton 26th November 1844 age = > 90 years=20 > also Mary daughter of Robert Egar who died at Halesyke 30th December = > 1846 age 14=20 > years. > > # 276 - Stone built in to West Wall of Albie Aisle also plaque built = > above the=20 > door lintel of the aisle on the south outer wall. Access to this aisle = > was=20 > through the courtesy of the Misses Carlyle of Templehill, Waterbeck. > > Here lyes the body of William Bell of Albie who died 15th April 1700 age = > 48=20 > years also Mary Bell his daughter, she died 4th November 1703 age 6 = > years also=20 > Janet Beatie his spouse, she died 25th December 1715 age 56 years also = > Frances=20 > Bell son of William Bell in Satur he died July 1717 aged 9 days also = > William=20 > Bell of Satur, he died 3rd June 1769 aged 90 years. Jean Bell his spouse = > she=20 > died 6th March 1754 aged 72 years. > > BEATTY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS > > CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND > > # 11 - Here lyes William Beatty son to James Beatty in Conhes (sic) who = > dyed=20 > (sic) December 24th 1738 of age 21 years. (coat of arms) > > # 16 - Here lies Simon Beatty in Conhes who died June 25th 1747 of age = > 56 years=20 > also Janet Scot his spouse she died 25th November 1751 of age 49 years = > also Mar=20 > Beatty daughter who died 4th August 1750 age 16 years. Here lies the = > body of=20 > Hannah Armstrong spouse to William Beatty tenant in Beck, she died ye = > 30th March=20 > 1770 of age 49 years also Walter Beatty their son, who died March 23rd = > 1782 age=20 > 19 years also John Beaty son to William Beaty late tenant in Beck who = > died=20 > December 4th,? age 29. In memory of Margaret, daughter of Walter Beaty, = > tenant=20 > in Beck who died November 11th 1825 age 10 months also Amelia Anne his = > daughter=20 > who died March 1st 1835 age 16 years. > > # 114b - Here lyes Agnes Little spouse to William Beatty in Conhes who = > died ye 8=20 > February 1749 of age 77 years also here lyes William Beatty in Conhes = > who died=20 > February 27th 1753 of age 91 years also here lyes William Beatty lat = > tenant in=20 > Beckfoot who died 2nd Feby. 1805 age 84 years also Christian Armstrong = > his=20 > spouse who died 24th March 1830 age 92 years also Walter Banantin Beatty = > who=20 > died 29th February 1838 age 54 years.(coat of arms) > > > > > PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND > > # 171 - Here lyes William Bell in Burrance who departed this life = > January 11th=20 > 1728 age 83 years also Margaret Beatty his spouse who departed this life = > > December 18th 1690 of age 31 years. (coat of arms) > > MIDDLEBIE CHURCH BURIAL GROUND > > # 233 - Here lyes Walter Bell in ---- who departed this life February 11 = > ----.=20 > Here lyes John Bell who died in Ragawart (Ragawhate?) November 16th 1740 = > age 70=20 > years also Blanch Bell his daughter , spouse to John Armstrong of Craigs = > who=20 > died April 1772 age 56 years and said John Armstrong who died November = > 15th 1784=20 > age --- and Walter his son who died young and two sons and two daughters = > of his=20 > son John Armstrong of Craigs who died young. Here lyes Jean Beatty = > spouse to=20 > John Bell in Ragawort who departed this life 1722? Age 55 years. > > BEATY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS > > CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND=20 > > # 13 - William Beaty of Chaplehill who died May 29th 1802 age 65 years = > also John=20 > Beaty his son who died at Chaplehill January 13th 1808 age 25 years also = > Helen=20 > Little relict of William Beaty of Chaplehill who died 20th August 1815 = > age 74=20 > years also Wilhemina Beaty daughter of William Beaty and Christian = > Armstrong in=20 > Becks who died 31st August 1835 age 54 years. > > # 15 - Here lyes Andrew Beaty in Blackcroft who died August 1759 of age = > 80 years=20 > also Shibela Irving his spouse who died in June 1731 of age 48 years = > also=20 > William Beattie in Lockmaben who died 22nd November 1797 of age 80 = > years also=20 > Ann Thomson his spouse who died August 14th 1787 of age 57 years also = > their son=20 > Hames Beaty who died MaY 26TH 1777 OF AGE 25 years also Ann Beaty their = > daughter=20 > who died young also Margaret Beaty their daughter who died young. > > PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND > > # 181 Richard Beaty son to William Beaty in Dykstown he died 6th October = > 1734=20 > age 36 years also William Beaty his son he died November 15th 1752 age = > 24 years. > > # 203 - William Johnstone who died in Eaglesfield 21st April 1813 age 58 = > years=20 > also Hellen Irving his spouse who died at Firparknook 25th December 1795 = > age 42=20 > years also William Johnstone their son who died 16th February 1806 age = > 18 years.=20 > > NOTE - IN SOME INSTANCES THE SPELLING VARIES SO IT IS BEST TO CHECK ALL=20 > SPELLINGS OF THE NAME > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C684CA.2B8207C0-- > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Need to contact the list admin? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com > Want to post? 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Stuart, Please forgive me.. but Are these cemeteries in Scotland? Ireland? Where? It will help knowing what country/county?? Again I thank you Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member BEATTIE/BEATTY/BEATY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS =96=20 MIDDLEBIE PARISH CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND BEATTIE MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS # 12 - Andrew Beattie in Springfield who died 5th September `1797 age 63 = years=20 also Jean=20 Johnston his spouse who died 16th February 1821 age 81 years also = William Andrew=20 and Simon=20 Beattie their sons who died abroad. # 14 - Here lyes the body of Margaret Bryden spouse to John Beattie in = Conhes=20 who died 13th=20 August 1743 age 29 years. (coat of arms) # 15 - Here lyes Andrew Beaty in Blackcroft who died August 1759 of age = 80 years=20 also Shibela Irving his spouse who died in June 1731 of age 48 years = also=20 William Beattie in Lockmaben who died 22nd November 1797 of age 80 years = also=20 Ann Thomson his spouse who died August 14th 1787 of age 57 years also = their son=20 Hames Beaty who died May 25th 1777 of age 25 years also Ann Beaty their = daughter=20 who died young also Margaret Beaty their daughter who died young. # 26 - William Tait who died in Scotsbridge February 2nd 1799 age 82 = years also=20 Jean Armstrong his spouse who died 3rd March 1793 age 60 years also = Margaret=20 Tait who died June 2nd 1794 age 20 years also William Tait who died at = Grainhall July 1st 1828 age 61 years and Hannah Beattie his wife who = died at=20 Craighouse 9th February 1848 age 81 years. # 76 - Agnes Beattie spouse to William Jardine in Craigs who died 6th = May 1795=20 age 41 years also William his son who died 1st May 1795 age 3 years also = Agnes=20 his daughter who died 1st December 1797 age 16 years also Robert his son = who=20 died 2nd October 1801 age 21 years lying in Applegirth. # 130 - Thomas and William Bell, sons to George Bell in Grainhall. = Thomas died=20 23rd March 1751 age 11 years William died 29th November 1750 age 3 years = also=20 John Bell who died 19th March 1780 age 34 years also Helen Beattie his = spouse=20 who died 3rd October 1815 age 63 years. (coat of arms) PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND # 167 - John Beattie who died in Eaglesfield 12th January 1847 age 76 = years.=20 (post 1855 inscriptions) # 170 - Isabella Holliday wife of William Beattie in Grainhall who died = 6th June=20 1846 age 73 years. # 258 - John Steele who died in Stirkpool 1st July 1821 age 59 years = also Mary=20 Beattie spouse to George Steele in Creca who died 1st February 1836 age = 36 years=20 also Jane their daughter who died 29th August 1833 age 2 months (Post = 1855=20 Inscriptions) MIDDLEBIE CHURCH BURIAL GROUNDS # 229 - Here lyes the body of Walter Bell son of William Bell of Hots = who=20 departed this life 1770 age 10 years and the said William Bell who died = at=20 Stoneybeck March 22nd 1791 age 74 years also Janet Beattie his spouse = who died=20 30th March 1802 in Carterton aged 76 years also Jean Hope spouse to = above=20 William Bell who died at Blackwoodridge 12th September 1821 age 63 years = also=20 William Bell their son who died at Scalebridge 2nd January 1818 age 14 = years=20 also John Bell-------------who died at Carterton 26th November 1844 age = 90 years=20 also Mary daughter of Robert Egar who died at Halesyke 30th December = 1846 age 14=20 years. # 276 - Stone built in to West Wall of Albie Aisle also plaque built = above the=20 door lintel of the aisle on the south outer wall. Access to this aisle = was=20 through the courtesy of the Misses Carlyle of Templehill, Waterbeck. Here lyes the body of William Bell of Albie who died 15th April 1700 age = 48=20 years also Mary Bell his daughter, she died 4th November 1703 age 6 = years also=20 Janet Beatie his spouse, she died 25th December 1715 age 56 years also = Frances=20 Bell son of William Bell in Satur he died July 1717 aged 9 days also = William=20 Bell of Satur, he died 3rd June 1769 aged 90 years. Jean Bell his spouse = she=20 died 6th March 1754 aged 72 years. BEATTY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND # 11 - Here lyes William Beatty son to James Beatty in Conhes (sic) who = dyed=20 (sic) December 24th 1738 of age 21 years. (coat of arms) # 16 - Here lies Simon Beatty in Conhes who died June 25th 1747 of age = 56 years=20 also Janet Scot his spouse she died 25th November 1751 of age 49 years = also Mar=20 Beatty daughter who died 4th August 1750 age 16 years. Here lies the = body of=20 Hannah Armstrong spouse to William Beatty tenant in Beck, she died ye = 30th March=20 1770 of age 49 years also Walter Beatty their son, who died March 23rd = 1782 age=20 19 years also John Beaty son to William Beaty late tenant in Beck who = died=20 December 4th,? age 29. In memory of Margaret, daughter of Walter Beaty, = tenant=20 in Beck who died November 11th 1825 age 10 months also Amelia Anne his = daughter=20 who died March 1st 1835 age 16 years. # 114b - Here lyes Agnes Little spouse to William Beatty in Conhes who = died ye 8=20 February 1749 of age 77 years also here lyes William Beatty in Conhes = who died=20 February 27th 1753 of age 91 years also here lyes William Beatty lat = tenant in=20 Beckfoot who died 2nd Feby. 1805 age 84 years also Christian Armstrong = his=20 spouse who died 24th March 1830 age 92 years also Walter Banantin Beatty = who=20 died 29th February 1838 age 54 years.(coat of arms) PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND # 171 - Here lyes William Bell in Burrance who departed this life = January 11th=20 1728 age 83 years also Margaret Beatty his spouse who departed this life = December 18th 1690 of age 31 years. (coat of arms) MIDDLEBIE CHURCH BURIAL GROUND # 233 - Here lyes Walter Bell in ---- who departed this life February 11 = ----.=20 Here lyes John Bell who died in Ragawart (Ragawhate?) November 16th 1740 = age 70=20 years also Blanch Bell his daughter , spouse to John Armstrong of Craigs = who=20 died April 1772 age 56 years and said John Armstrong who died November = 15th 1784=20 age --- and Walter his son who died young and two sons and two daughters = of his=20 son John Armstrong of Craigs who died young. Here lyes Jean Beatty = spouse to=20 John Bell in Ragawort who departed this life 1722? Age 55 years. BEATY MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS CARRUTHERS BURIAL GROUND=20 # 13 - William Beaty of Chaplehill who died May 29th 1802 age 65 years = also John=20 Beaty his son who died at Chaplehill January 13th 1808 age 25 years also = Helen=20 Little relict of William Beaty of Chaplehill who died 20th August 1815 = age 74=20 years also Wilhemina Beaty daughter of William Beaty and Christian = Armstrong in=20 Becks who died 31st August 1835 age 54 years. # 15 - Here lyes Andrew Beaty in Blackcroft who died August 1759 of age = 80 years=20 also Shibela Irving his spouse who died in June 1731 of age 48 years = also=20 William Beattie in Lockmaben who died 22nd November 1797 of age 80 = years also=20 Ann Thomson his spouse who died August 14th 1787 of age 57 years also = their son=20 Hames Beaty who died MaY 26TH 1777 OF AGE 25 years also Ann Beaty their = daughter=20 who died young also Margaret Beaty their daughter who died young. PENNERSAUGHS BURIAL GROUND # 181 Richard Beaty son to William Beaty in Dykstown he died 6th October = 1734=20 age 36 years also William Beaty his son he died November 15th 1752 age = 24 years. # 203 - William Johnstone who died in Eaglesfield 21st April 1813 age 58 = years=20 also Hellen Irving his spouse who died at Firparknook 25th December 1795 = age 42=20 years also William Johnstone their son who died 16th February 1806 age = 18 years.=20 NOTE - IN SOME INSTANCES THE SPELLING VARIES SO IT IS BEST TO CHECK ALL=20 SPELLINGS OF THE NAME ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C684CA.2B8207C0--