In a message dated 6/13/2006 9:03:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, confido@ix.netcom.com (Lauren Boyd) writes: > mtDNA is not a primary avenue to genealogical connections. Not the trackable, traceable by surname < IMHO, that's exactly half of the problem: Without surnames to provide "testable hypotheses," the search for mtDNA matches is literally like looking for a proverbial needle in the proverbial haystack. > sharing mtDNA means that the persons are closer related than a 50% probability of being cousins within 10,000 yrs < That's the other half of the problem. The super-slow mutation rate of mtDNA means -- according to FTDNA's chief statistical consultant, Dr. Bruce Walsh -- that to get approximately the same "resolution" as the yDNA 37-marker test, maternal-line tracing needs to use something approaching the FULL SEQUENCE mtDNA test. And as of today, that test is still far too expensive for widespread use. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Project Co-Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm

Hi Nelda I'm interested. I remember there was a conversation, but I did not follow it closely, and I had the impression most successes were more in the nature of success in explaining by paper trail why two people had the same mtDNA results. What I am wondering is whether anyone improved a paper trail using mtDNA rather than explaining an mtDNA connection using a paper trail. Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival [mailto:nelda_percival@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 8:04 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] MtDNA testing Andrew, You don't remember the discussion back a few months ago on genealogy-DNA mailing list where William Hurst and others were talking about mtDNA suscess stories? I'm suprised... I'll ask bill and post results here Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member \ ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I do not know of any case where people have ever found a genealogical connection using mtDNA. Part of the problem is that a perfect match is reasonably likely given that mtDNA is so "slow changing". Does anyone know of any genealogical results from mt DNA? (mtDNA is interesting in other ways.) Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: John Carr [mailto:jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 3:01 AM To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] MtDNA testing In some ways, mtDNA is easier for genealogy. Because you are not necessarily looking to match a surname, you look at everyone who has the same mutations from the CRS. Then you look at the time period, place and perhaps maiden surname where both parties forbearers lived to see if you have a match in time, place, DNA and maiden surname. It leads to interesting discussions and sometimes a match, or at least a suspected one. As with Y DNA, the best use of these results is to compare with someone you suspect you share an ancestor with and see if the DNA supports the theory or paper trail. Incidental matches are like winning the lotto, it happens, but it will be a while before and require vastly more people to do DNA testing before it happens to most of us. Best of luck, enjoy the adventure, John Carr

Andrew, I understand and will post what is given me.. I don't expect answers tonight but will post what is sent tomorrow.. then we can look and compare.. Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member

Andrew, You don't remember the discussion back a few months ago on genealogy-DNA mailing list where William Hurst and others were talking about mtDNA suscess stories? I'm suprised... I'll ask bill and post results here Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project member \

Howdy: chiming in here..... mtDNA is not a primary avenue to genealogical connections. Not the trackable, traceable by surname ... we have a record in our hand kind. mtDNA is more related to anthropology. Chances are, there may be someone on this list that I am "related" to... 10-50, 000 years ago. There will be no paperwork to exist to prove what the relationship may be... other than we share a common Ancient Mother. I happen to be a mtDNA cousin to Bennet Greenspan. The closest "relationship" we share is the fact that his Y-DNA third cousin and I grew up on the same block in San Francisco and were childhood friends. Other than my being a participant via FTDNA, there is no other way we would have crossed paths. We have absolutely no [modern/trackable/documentable] genealogy in common. I would be VERY cautious about jumping to the conclusion that being at the same place, at the same time, and sharing mtDNA means that the persons are closer related than a 50% probabilty of being cousins within 10,000 yrs. Yours Aye, Lauren Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot H, CRS, 315.1c

In some ways, mtDNA is easier for genealogy. Because you are not necessarily looking to match a surname, you look at everyone who has the same mutations from the CRS. Then you look at the time period, place and perhaps maiden surname where both parties forbearers lived to see if you have a match in time, place, DNA and maiden surname. It leads to interesting discussions and sometimes a match, or at least a suspected one. As with Y DNA, the best use of these results is to compare with someone you suspect you share an ancestor with and see if the DNA supports the theory or paper trail. Incidental matches are like winning the lotto, it happens, but it will be a while before and require vastly more people to do DNA testing before it happens to most of us. Best of luck, enjoy the adventure, John Carr On Jun 11, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > Hi, > There have been quite a genealogy few break throughs using mtDNA(not > nearly as many as yDNA). William Hurst admin of the Hurst DNA program > at FTDNA and a member of genealogy-dna a mailing list at rootsweb can > direct you to quite a few references. But, it is not easy as like you > point out the female's surname changes. > Personally I'm not quite sure how it is done and when I get my mtdna > results I'm going to ask William for advice on how to proceed, but it > has been done. > On Jun 11, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Jim Gordon wrote: The mt-DNA tracks the female side of your ancestry and is not very helpful because it is passed from the female side.

Haplo "SNP" test returned as I1b2 from Family Tree DNA last week. Is this fairly common for Scottish lines? "I1b2 Haplogroup I1b2 is very common in Sardinia and was likely among the first humans to populate the island about 9000 years ago. It is also found in the western Mediterranean and western Europe at lower frequencies. Unlike I1b, I1b2 is not present east of the Adriatic Sea." Most Riddick and Reddick Scot and "Scot-Irish" lines are also "I" Haplos. Reddoch seem to be "R1b." Notice several of our other Scot lines are R1b or R1b1 as are our Germanic R320s. <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Reddick-r320/index.aspx Richard

Both statements are 100% true. The y-DNA supports your paper trial. The mt-DNA tracks the female side of your ancestry and is not very helpful because it is passed from the female side. Your mother passed her mt-DNA to you that she got from HER mother, who got it from your maternal grandmother. So you can see the problem. Cheers, Jim Gordon Be sure to do the male testing - y-DNA tests first, if you can found a male with a helpful surname. mtDNA goes much further back in time and you will be "hard pressed" to discover ordinary (paper trail) genealogical or historical records to support it. at least that is what I have been reading. Kay C. P.S. I still plan to do a mtDNA test some time.

Hi, There have been quite a genealogy few break throughs using mtDNA(not nearly as many as yDNA). William Hurst admin of the Hurst DNA program at FTDNA and a member of genealogy-dna a mailing list at rootsweb can direct you to quite a few references. But, it is not easy as like you point out the female's surname changes. Personally I'm not quite sure how it is done and when I get my mtdna results I'm going to ask William for advice on how to proceed, but it has been done. yDNA is much simpler as the name (of course different spellings) does not really change and if it were a male testing I would also suggest to first test the yDNA as you can get faster results although, there is no guarantee you will match any one at first. We have only four people tested in the Gilpin project and have found three different lineages proven by yDNA. WE Gilpin researchers always thought there was only one founder of the surname.. this proves us all wrong. So you may find surprises in your testing but it will help you from trying to find proof (documentation) in the wrong lineage and although it can not prove who you common ancestor is it really can prove who he is not. I find all aspects of DNA testing festinating. just my two cents worth Nelda By the way if you know of a Gilpin please refer him to the Gilpin DNA project at: Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Gilpin DNA Project Co-Cordinator

Be sure to do the male testing - y-DNA tests first, if you can found a male with a helpful surname. mtDNA goes much further back in time and you will be "hard pressed" to discover ordinary (paper trail) genealogical or historical records to support it. at least that is what I have been reading. Kay C. P.S. I still plan to do a mtDNA test some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: T&S Carlson To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] MtDNA testing Hi, Recently John Hansen posted a very succinct and informative message summarizing the major Scottish DNA studies and websites. It was mentioned that some mtDNA results are also being included. I have been considering doing this, but am unsure which of the Family Tree DNA tests would be the best and most informative Would someone please be kind enough to enlighten me and other female listmembers which mtDNA test would provide the most complete information available? Also, what type of information can one expect to obtain from such a test? Thank you, Susan Carlson ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Neither. It's Plantagenet. Cheers, Jim Gordon Or is that Plantaginant?

No, not at all lazy. I get in a position too sometimes when I can't look something up. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Very good. My spelling bee winning wife was not around just then for me > to ask about the spelling! Lazy aren't I!! Oh well!! > > >>From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> >>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:38:30 -0500 >> >>Plantagenet. >> >>Cliff. Johnston >>"May the best you've ever seen, >>Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:06 PM >>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> >>>Or is that Plantaginant? >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >>>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:20:58 -0500 >>>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >>>>settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and >>>>Gauls who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that >>>>the French Normans came from who took over England with the Norman >>>>invasion of England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent >>>>of Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler >>>>line of England? >>>> >>>>Rich Burns >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>>>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >>>>> >>>>>Hi Cliff >>>>> >>>>>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem >>>>>to >>>>>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >>>>> >>>>>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>>>>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >>>>> >>>>>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards >>>>>Andrew >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>>>>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>>>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Jerry, >>>>> >>>>>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>>>>year. >>>>>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>>>>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >>>>> >>>>>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from >>>>>Danish >>>>>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>>>>haplogroup. >>>>> >>>>>I found the following on I1a: >>>>> >>>>>I1a >>>>>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is >>>>>found >>>>>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest >>>>>Europe >>>>>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>>>>found >>>>>at low frequencies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cliff. Johnston >>>>>"May the best you've ever seen, >>>>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>>>>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>>>>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Hi, >>>>> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>>>>Danish? >>>>> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >>>>> > Thanks >>>>> > Jerry Whitten >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>>>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>>>>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>>>>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>>>>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>>>>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>>>>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >>>>> >>>>>============================== >>>>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>>>Need to contact the list admin? >>>>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>>Want to post? >>>>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>>>>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>>>>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>>>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>>>> >>>>>============================== >>>>>Search the US Census Collection. 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Very good. My spelling bee winning wife was not around just then for me to ask about the spelling! Lazy aren't I!! Oh well!! >From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> >Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:38:30 -0500 > >Plantagenet. > >Cliff. Johnston >"May the best you've ever seen, >Be the worst you'll ever see;" >from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:06 PM >Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > >>Or is that Plantaginant? >> >> >> >>>From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:20:58 -0500 >>> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >>>settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls >>>who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the >>>French Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion >>>of England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of >>>Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line >>>of England? >>> >>>Rich Burns >>> >>> >>>>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >>>> >>>>Hi Cliff >>>> >>>>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >>>>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >>>> >>>>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>>>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >>>> >>>>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >>>> >>>>Best Regards >>>>Andrew >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>>>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>> >>>> >>>>Jerry, >>>> >>>>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>>>year. >>>>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>>>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >>>> >>>>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from >>>>Danish >>>>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>>>haplogroup. >>>> >>>>I found the following on I1a: >>>> >>>>I1a >>>>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is >>>>found >>>>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest >>>>Europe >>>>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>>>found >>>>at low frequencies. >>>> >>>> >>>>Cliff. Johnston >>>>"May the best you've ever seen, >>>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>>>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>>>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>>>Danish? >>>> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >>>> > Thanks >>>> > Jerry Whitten >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>>>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>>>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>>>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>>>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>>>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>>Need to contact the list admin? >>>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>>>Want to post? >>>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>>>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>>>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. >>>Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the >>>web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. >>>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>>============================== >>>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to >>the Project by a multitude of sources. >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will provide a >private answer. >Want to join the Project? Visit: >http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Since Rollo was not the lone Norse settler in Northern France, but one of an entire army, don't blame him for transporting all the Danish DNA there. I would also suggest that the several Viking armies that traversed Northern France (in fact they besieged Paris at one time) also left samples of their DNA behind. The same with Scotland, since armies of Vikings traversed pretty much all of Scotland at one time or another. Referring to my previous post about the Danelaw, York was capital of a kingdom founded by the same Vikings who ruled the Viking Kingdom of Dublin. The armies of the various claimants to these thrones traversed Galloway a number of times, doubtless leaving DNA samples behind each time. David Rorer > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Burns [mailto:rburns001@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:21 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > Hi all, > > I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who > settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls > who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the French > Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of England, > who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of Charlimagne) on the > English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line of England? > > Rich Burns >

I don't recall the name, but I do recall seeing a program on the History Channel last year that had a small segment on ancient Viking trade routes. It would appear that they got around much more than I thought that they had. They made it all the way up the Volga, the Mediterranean, around Africa, and it was suggested that they even got to India and possibly beyond. As for North America - Columbus was just a commercial hack with greedy backers who got more publicity than our Viking ancestors who certainly were here long before old Chris was even a glint in his father's eye. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > Since Rollo was not the lone Norse settler in Northern France, but one of > an > entire army, don't blame him for transporting all the Danish DNA there. I > would > also suggest that the several Viking armies that traversed Northern France > (in > fact they besieged Paris at one time) also left samples of their DNA > behind. > The same with Scotland, since armies of Vikings traversed pretty much all > of > Scotland at one time or another. > Referring to my previous post about the Danelaw, York was capital of a > kingdom > founded by the same Vikings who ruled the Viking Kingdom of Dublin. The > armies > of the various claimants to these thrones traversed Galloway a number of > times, > doubtless leaving DNA samples behind each time. > David Rorer > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Burns [mailto:rburns001@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:21 PM >> To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> Hi all, >> >> I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >> settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls >> who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the >> French >> Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of >> England, >> who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of Charlimagne) on >> the >> English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line of England? >> >> Rich Burns >> > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I wouln't get too excited about who arose where and traveled to some place else, especially right now. This Y-DNA thing is really in its infancy. We can expect a lot of changes and revisions in the future (and probably not that far in the future either). We've got one really good thing going for us - Ken Nortdveldt - he's an excellent mathemetician/statistician. If anyone can figure out the I haplogroup, it's Ken. He is sharp! Right now my main interest in my haplogroup is as an identifing tool for contemporary and currently unknown "cousins". It's already done a great job of bringing several of us together. That doesn't mean that I'm not interested in migration movements. I am. It's just too soon to get too worked up about it, at least for me. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Hi, > When i wrote you that i was [1a i was tested M253 which is Viking-M > 307-P 30 than [1 -P 38 than I -M170-M258-P 19 Test - for the other > branches of I. I know that some went to France during the ice age. I was > supposed to be along the border of Sweden and Denmark and Iceland. Also > the other I went to Balkins and Sardinia . And some into Ukraian Valley. > I had never heard of each country having the on Vikings. > May be this help some. > Thanks > Jerry Whitten > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > > >> Hi all, >> >> I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >> settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls >> who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the >> French Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion >> of England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of >> Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line >> of England? >> >> Rich Burns >> >> >>>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >>> >>>Hi Cliff >>> >>>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >>>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >>> >>>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >>> >>>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >>> >>>Best Regards >>>Andrew >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>> >>> >>>Jerry, >>> >>>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>>year. >>>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >>> >>>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from >>>Danish >>>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>>haplogroup. >>> >>>I found the following on I1a: >>> >>>I1a >>>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is >>>found >>>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest >>>Europe >>>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>>found >>>at low frequencies. >>> >>> >>>Cliff. Johnston >>>"May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>> >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>>Danish? >>> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >>> > Thanks >>> > Jerry Whitten >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >>> >>>============================== >>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>Need to contact the list admin? >>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>>Want to post? >>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. 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Plantagenet. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Or is that Plantaginant? > > > >>From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:20:58 -0500 >> >>Hi all, >> >>I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >>settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls >>who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the French >>Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of >>England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of >>Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line >>of England? >> >>Rich Burns >> >> >>>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >>> >>>Hi Cliff >>> >>>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >>>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >>> >>>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >>> >>>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >>> >>>Best Regards >>>Andrew >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>> >>> >>>Jerry, >>> >>>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>>year. >>>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >>> >>>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from >>>Danish >>>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>>haplogroup. >>> >>>I found the following on I1a: >>> >>>I1a >>>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is >>>found >>>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest >>>Europe >>>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>>found >>>at low frequencies. >>> >>> >>>Cliff. Johnston >>>"May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>> >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>>Danish? >>> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >>> > Thanks >>> > Jerry Whitten >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >>> >>>============================== >>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>Need to contact the list admin? >>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>>Want to post? >>>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>>============================== >>>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. >>Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the >>web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. >>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >>============================== >>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely > of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE > in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration > for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work > necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to > the Project by a multitude of sources. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Or is that Plantaginant? >From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:20:58 -0500 > >Hi all, > >I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who >settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls >who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the French >Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of >England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of >Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line of >England? > >Rich Burns > > >>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >> >>Hi Cliff >> >>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >> >>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >> >>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >> >>Best Regards >>Andrew >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> >>Jerry, >> >>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>year. >>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >> >>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish >>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>haplogroup. >> >>I found the following on I1a: >> >>I1a >>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found >>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe >>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>found >>at low frequencies. >> >> >>Cliff. Johnston >>"May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> >> > Hi, >> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>Danish? >> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >> > Thanks >> > Jerry Whitten >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>Need to contact the list admin? >>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>Want to post? >>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. >Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the >web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. >Want to join the Project? Visit: >http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi, When i wrote you that i was [1a i was tested M253 which is Viking-M 307-P 30 than [1 -P 38 than I -M170-M258-P 19 Test - for the other branches of I. I know that some went to France during the ice age. I was supposed to be along the border of Sweden and Denmark and Iceland. Also the other I went to Balkins and Sardinia . And some into Ukraian Valley. I had never heard of each country having the on Vikings. May be this help some. Thanks Jerry Whitten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Burns" <rburns001@hotmail.com> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries > Hi all, > > I1a lineage in northern France! Would that be from Rolo the Viking who > settled northern France after taking the area from those Franks and Gauls > who lived there then? And this would be the Normandy area that the French > Normans came from who took over England with the Norman invasion of > England, who eventually put William of Normandy (a decendent of > Charlimagne) on the English throne, starting the Plantaginate ruler line > of England? > > Rich Burns > > >>From: "Andrew and Inge" <andrew.en.inge@skynet.be> >>Reply-To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0200 >> >>Hi Cliff >> >>I1c is of very different origin than most I1a, and certain types seem to >>have been in Britain longer than anywhere else. >> >>For more notes by Ken see his webpage: >>http://www.northwestanalysis.net/ >> >>Note that Ken now calls I1c "I1b2a". >> >>Best Regards >>Andrew >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: CJMax [mailto:moments-in-time@charter.net] >>Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 1:25 AM >>To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> >>Jerry, >> >>I had Dr. Ken Nordtvedt take a look at my 37-marker Y-DNA results last >>year. >>At that time FTDNA was having some issues assigning people in the "I" >>haplogroup. I don't know if they've resolved their issues yet either. >> >>Ken said that my results were a classic I1c which he felt came from Danish >>Viking origins. I understand that he's the foremost researcher of this >>haplogroup. >> >>I found the following on I1a: >> >>I1a >>The I1a lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found >>most frequently within Viking/Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe >>and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is >>found >>at low frequencies. >> >> >>Cliff. Johnston >>"May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "whitten" <whitten@amaonline.com> >>To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Fundamental queries >> >> >> > Hi, >> > I see you have a [1c whis is Danish Viking.how did you come to a >>Danish? >> > My is [I1a do you know wih Viking nation they were from. >> > Thanks >> > Jerry Whitten >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >>necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >>submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >>==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>Need to contact the list admin? >>Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com >>Want to post? >>Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >>Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? >>Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. >>Want to join the Project? Visit: >>http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > DNA Results are also being posted on the web site. > Email to dnaclans@brigadoon.net if you want to join the > web site. For privacy reasons, this is a closed web site. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >