One should be aware that this could be duplicate testing for people who already have YSTR results before ordering the new test. 21 of the 27 YSTR markers Ethnoancestry has in their Pictish DNA test are included in the 37 marker FTDNA test. DYS 425 is included in FTDNA's 67 marker test, but nearly all R1bs have an allele of 12 at this marker. DYS 425 and the other 5 markers are available from DNA Fingerprint, which has now merged with FTDNA. All of these markers, except DYS425, DYS434 and DYS435, are included in testing conducted by Sorenson Labs, which includes DNA Heritage, Relative Genetics and SMGF. What we need is to uncover is the haplotype Ethnoancestry has labeled Pictish. Since Dr. Wilson is located in Edinburgh and has conducted extensive DNA testing on the local population using various grants and programs from government and private sources, he is a prime candidate to achieve a break down the Haplogroup profile of the Scottish and English population. David Faux has indicated in the past he would share results of the genealogy related DNA testing conducted during the studies conducted by Edinburgh University. Hopefully we still have that opportunity in our future. John Carr On Aug 26, 2006, at 7:47 PM, N & K Chestnut wrote: > I have the results of a SMITH cousin in the U.S. Northeast SMITH > Project; and we don't have a match at this time. FTDNA has estimated > our Haplogroup to be E3b. > > Kay Chestnut

All, I don't quite know how to begin this posting. I'm floored to see such a series of postings. Of course there are no Picts living that can be tested. However, DNA can point to where one's lineage originated even by clarifying a lack of other connections. For instance, if one has a good documents back to Northwestern England in the 1100's, AND one has no DNA connections back to the Norse, back to the French, the Romans or any other invading country, then there's a compelling argument that one might be a descendant of the very early settlers of England, such as the Picts. No, no picts currently are living in England, or are they? I have signed my project up for EthnoAncestry's test based on SNP testing they're conducting looking at distant ancestry that an r1b haplogroup is simply too broad to solve. Many of our descendants, based on markers in the FTDNA tests, are showing a high probablility of what EA is calling the S21 subgroup which seems to be showing connections to the ancient Sinclair Earldom lines. Their S29 may be pointing to Viking invaders. Only the test will prove if it's accurate, that and more participants. I recommend this group look into the test with interest. While no one can promise proof of descent from certain ancient peoples, we can learn enough from what the results show (and what they don't show) to begin to form educated hypotheses. I offer as evidence the FTDNA project to look for descendants of the Jewish Priest class, i.e. descendants of the Levis and Cohens. EthnoAncestry is in no way a scam. Jim Wilson and David Faux are highly respected DNA professionals. David will, for certain, be mortified to learn of such a series of postings. He's been contributing to the greater collection of knowledge on DNA testing for many years now. Please, I ask you, stop this line of postings until you learn a great deal more about the gentlemen offering the test, their history in DNA and their incredible credibility in all matters of genealogy. Kind Regards, Steve St. Clair www.StClairResearch.com > David, > Thanks for that "heads up" on what might be a scam. I might have > fallen for that one. > I have the results of a SMITH cousin in the U.S. Northeast SMITH > Project; and we don't have a match at this time. FTDNA has estimated > our Haplogroup to be E3b. > I have even searched Sorenson; I saw a couple fair matches at 19/22 to > guys in the

Dear Listers: I thought the name ethnoancestry sounded familiar. I visited the website and found Dr. David Faux. Reputable and known to those of us that have been reading his posts for years on the genealogy-dna list. Chalk it up to a bad marketing piece directed at the less knowledgable public. David is welcome to post to this list anytime! Yours Aye, Lauren Scot DNA List Admin

David, Thanks for that "heads up" on what might be a scam. I might have fallen for that one. I have the results of a SMITH cousin in the U.S. Northeast SMITH Project; and we don't have a match at this time. FTDNA has estimated our Haplogroup to be E3b. I have even searched Sorenson; I saw a couple fair matches at 19/22 to guys in the Mormon records. They are identified by "AFH", and "AFN" codes; but I cannot find any details for figuring out when nor where their ancestor was (might have been). Suggestions welcome from anyone. Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: David Rorer To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Pickish DNA The following came to me from another list. It was originally published in Eastmans Online Genealogy Newsletter and I am reposting it to this list for everyone's interest. There is a link to the original publication, from which Eastman took his story, at the bottom of the message. I am surprised that Eastman published this story; it comes from a source which is on a par with supermarket tabloids and so obviously appears to be a scam. Aside from the dubious claim of being able to identify Pickish DNA (no one has actually been identified as a Pict for at least a millennium) and the outrageously high test fee, anyone at all familiar with Scottish history would know that Scottishness has far more to do with heritage than genetics. Many of the leading families of Scotland (Comyn/Bruce/Stewart) originated in Normandy; others, (MacDonald/MacDougall) have Norse antecedents and no one questions their Scottishness. It is no surprise to find that most of Orkney had Norse ancestry, since it and the Hebrides were part of the kingdom of Norway for centuries and heavily settled from there. The Scots themselves came from Ireland c. 500-600 and when the various territories that became the kingdom of Scotland finally coalesced into one polity it included not only Picts and Scots but the Britons of Strathclyde (which included Cambria) and the Angles of Lothian (ruled at times by Northumbria). After than, in the half century between 1100 and 1600, there were the numerous foreign soldieries (Danish, Norse, French, English, Spanish, Irish, Welsh even German and Lowlander) who were part of the various armies that fought in Scotland and, as soldiers will, left samples of their DNA behind. Unfortunately there will probably be a number of people who will pay this excessive amount for an extremely dubious report. It's too bad that Eastman ran this story and gave it, however tenuous, a touch of legitimacy. David Rorer > /The following article is from Eastmans Online Genealogy Newsletter > and is copyright 2006 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here > with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is > available at / http://www.eogn.com <http://www.eogn.com/>/./ > * > > - So You Think You're Scots? > > * > > Help is at hand for the millions of people around the world who claim > to be Scottish. A new test will be able to prove if that's just > wishful thinking or if someone really has a Caledonian connection. A > leading scientist has developed a "Scottishness" test that searches > people's DNA to trace their origins. > > Geneticist Dr. Jim Wilson is offering the #130 ($245 US) diagnosis, > which determines how Scottish people are. He has identified a genetic > pattern which can determine whether a person is descended from > Scotland's ancient inhabitants, the Picts, and can test people for > traces of their genes. Dr. Wilson says he wants to target Americans > eager to seek out their Scottish ancestry. > > You can read more about this story at http://tinyurl.com/m499n ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. These questions can be responded to off list. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

The following came to me from another list. It was originally published in Eastman’s Online Genealogy Newsletter and I am reposting it to this list for everyone's interest. There is a link to the original publication, from which Eastman took his story, at the bottom of the message. I am surprised that Eastman published this story; it comes from a source which is on a par with supermarket tabloids and so obviously appears to be a scam. Aside from the dubious claim of being able to identify Pickish DNA (no one has actually been identified as a Pict for at least a millennium) and the outrageously high test fee, anyone at all familiar with Scottish history would know that Scottishness has far more to do with heritage than genetics. Many of the leading families of Scotland (Comyn/Bruce/Stewart) originated in Normandy; others, (MacDonald/MacDougall) have Norse antecedents and no one questions their Scottishness. It is no surprise to find that most of Orkney had Norse ancestry, since it and the Hebrides were part of the kingdom of Norway for centuries and heavily settled from there. The Scots themselves came from Ireland c. 500-600 and when the various territories that became the kingdom of Scotland finally coalesced into one polity it included not only Picts and Scots but the Britons of Strathclyde (which included Cambria) and the Angles of Lothian (ruled at times by Northumbria). After than, in the half century between 1100 and 1600, there were the numerous foreign soldieries (Danish, Norse, French, English, Spanish, Irish, Welsh even German and Lowlander) who were part of the various armies that fought in Scotland and, as soldiers will, left samples of their DNA behind. Unfortunately there will probably be a number of people who will pay this excessive amount for an extremely dubious report. It's too bad that Eastman ran this story and gave it, however tenuous, a touch of legitimacy. David Rorer > /The following article is from Eastman’s Online Genealogy Newsletter > and is copyright 2006 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here > with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is > available at / http://www.eogn.com <http://www.eogn.com/>/./ > * > > - So You Think You're Scots? > > * > > Help is at hand for the millions of people around the world who claim > to be Scottish. A new test will be able to prove if that's just > wishful thinking or if someone really has a Caledonian connection. A > leading scientist has developed a "Scottishness" test that searches > people's DNA to trace their origins. > > Geneticist Dr. Jim Wilson is offering the £130 ($245 US) diagnosis, > which determines how Scottish people are. He has identified a genetic > pattern which can determine whether a person is descended from > Scotland's ancient inhabitants, the Picts, and can test people for > traces of their genes. Dr. Wilson says he wants to target Americans > eager to seek out their Scottish ancestry. > > You can read more about this story at http://tinyurl.com/m499n

It is a bit unfortunate that DNA testing has taken this slant, but it is in line with what we've seen by another British Genealogy DNA expert, Brian Sykes. Perhaps this sales approach appeals to the British psyche. Dr. Wilson is a Professor at the University of Edinburgh and is well established in the field of DNA. He is President of Ethnoancestry, which is a reputable lab located outside Edinburgh, Scotland. Ethnoancestry has performed SNP tests for Haplogroup identification for many of the people doing Genetic Genealogy. The same markers tested in the Pictish test are offered by the other DNA test labs, this is just a marketing ploy. A story about this was also run by the TImes Online, UK. No specifics on what constitutes a Pictish Haplotype. Ref: http://www.ethnoancestry.com/ John Carr On Aug 26, 2006, at 4:33 PM, David Rorer wrote: > Aside from the dubious claim of being able to identify Pickish DNA (no > one has > actually been identified as a Pict for at least a millennium) and the > outrageously high test fee, anyone at all familiar with Scottish > history would > know that Scottishness has far more to do with heritage than genetics. > > David Rorer >> >> Geneticist Dr. Jim Wilson is offering the £130 ($245 US) diagnosis, >> which determines how Scottish people are. He has identified a genetic >> pattern which can determine whether a person is descended from >> Scotland's ancient inhabitants, the Picts, and can test people for >> traces of their genes. Dr. Wilson says he wants to target Americans >> eager to seek out their Scottish ancestry. >> >> You can read more about this story at http://tinyurl.com/m499n >

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on the I1c haplogroup. My greatgrandfather was named William McKenzie from Harrison, TN. I joined the MacKenzie DNA project and noticed that most of the McKenzies fall into the R1b grouping. I found out a little info about the I1c group, but was wondering if someone could fill me in on the areas of Scotland where that group might be found. Initially, I only had my uncle do the 12 marker test. Now I have ordered the 25 marker test. I did this before I knew that I probably should have gotten at least the 37 marker one. Also, my unlce had a 12/12 match with someone carrying the Powell surname. Any suggestions on the possible connection between these 2 names would be most welcome. I am novice when it comes to clan history. Thanks, Linda

For those of you Ramsays that may not be subscribed to the Clan Ramsay list. I have no further information. Yours Aye, Lauren Scot DNA List Admin -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Nancy Miller <nmahonemiller@hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 16, 2006 7:28 AM >To: CLAN-RAMSAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CLAN-RAMSAY] Clan Ramsay President > > >I thought that many of you would like to know that Clan Ramsay President, >Ron Ramsey, was seriously injured in an accident at his home two days ago. >He was airlifted to the hospital and is expected to recover, although he >will probably be hospitalized for at least two weeks. > >CG and I spoke to him last night, and as you might expect if you know Ron, >he sounded upbeat and positive. > >Prayers and cards would be appreciated, I'm sure. > >The hospital address is: > >Mr. Ron Ramsey >Room 9A0501 >Grady Memorial Hospital >80 Jesse Hill Jr. Drive SE >Atlanta, GA 30303 > > >Nancy > >Nancy M. Miller >nancy72miller@alumni.umw.edu > >Regent, Lynnhaven Parish Chapter NSDAR >geocities.com/Lynnhavenparish >www.carolshouse.com/lynnhavenparish > >Past President, Scottish Society of Tidewater, Virginia >www.tidewaterscots.org > >Genealogist, Clan Ramsay Association of North America >www.clanramsay.org > > > >==== CLAN-RAMSAY Mailing List ==== >Also visit the Clan Ramsay message board at >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.celtic.scottish.ramsay > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Jerry -- There's nothing wrong with the site. The owner(s) is just working on it. I just visted it and got the response "Under Construction," so just keep checing back until he/they are finished with their construction. Cheers, Jim Hi, What happened to the genealogic.org web site can not get it any more, Thanks Jerry Whittenb ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

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It's time for an another update on the Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project. Genetic genealogy can be a powerful tool and provide help in building our genealogies. My purpose is to use the DNA results as a tool to help sort out the many different MacLaren lines in the Clan files. This includes all the surnames of the Clan. The results can also be useful to MacLarens in pointing the way toward possible connections and perhaps help indicate where you need to search for paper evidence. The database of results is slowly growing, but I would like many more MacLarens/McLarens (or any of the other surnames of the Clan including spelling variants) to join the project. The more we have in the database, the more likely it is that we will get matches between members. I am especially interested in getting members from the documented MacLaren lines that are in my files; however, I am also interested in any MacLaren who wants to join. This, of course, includes all the spelling variants of MacLaren. I am also interested in all the other surnames of the Clan -- Pat(t)erson, Low, Lawrence, McRorie, Lawson, Law, etc. There are now 119 people in the project: 101 with results back, ten with partial results back, four who have submitted their kits and are waiting on their results, and four who are either waiting for their kits or haven't returned them yet. There have been a number of successes. One member in Scotland matches a member in California 33 out of 37 markers. Another member in New Zealand matches a member in Canada 35/37. The biggest success has been with a group of Lawsons (descended from William Lawson, captured by the English in 1746). A Losson tested and matches them 36/37, so he is related. A number of the Lawsons are working with some Lossons to establish how and where. Surnames in the project include MacLaren (11 spelling variants), McFeaters (2 spelling variants), Lawrence (2 spelling variants), Law (2 spelling variants), Low (2 spelling variants), Lawrie, Lowry (4 spelling variants), Lawson (2 spelling variants), MacIntyre, Wright, Cleary, Clary, Patterson (3 spelling variants), Patrick, Petrie, and McRorie. We have members from the United States, Canada, Scotland, England, Australia, and New Zealand. I encourage anyone who bears one of the surnames above, or any of the other surnames of Clan MacLaren, to join (if you haven't had a relative closer then second cousin already test). For those who are concerned about how the DNA sample is acquired, it is just a cheek swab -- very painless. If you are interested, or have questions, contact me at bobmclaren@earthlink.net Bob McLaren Chairman, Genealogy Committee, Clan MacLaren Society of North America Administrator, Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project Robert McLaren bobmclaren@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

David, I cannot speak to the genealogy with any authority and am thus was delighted to see your response. I did look at the site refereed to by Barbara http://www.genealogics.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F00012030&tree=LEO Therein we learn that Sir Thomas Bruce was executed 9 Feb 1307. It may have been simply a typo of the senior moment class when the BRUCE DNA Project webmaster created the page in question. The kit in question is being upgraded to 37 markers. -- Cheers, Colin Ferguson

>> Just my opinion but the credibility of this site and its claims fall >> somewhere >> between zero and none! >> > Would you believe another immaculate conception? Only in Scotland. > > Cliff. Johnston I was actually thinking turkey baster. ;-) Dave McMillan

That'll work too! Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <dmcduke@comcast.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] MacWho and The Bruce > > > >>> Just my opinion but the credibility of this site and its claims fall >>> somewhere >>> between zero and none! >>> >> Would you believe another immaculate conception? Only in Scotland. >> >> Cliff. Johnston > > I was actually thinking turkey baster. ;-) > > Dave McMillan > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

> Just my opinion but the credibility of this site and its claims fall > somewhere > between zero and none! > Would you believe another immaculate conception? Only in Scotland. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rorer" <drorer@fuse.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: RE: [SCOT-DNA] MacWho and The Bruce > That of course was not the point. There may be male descendants alive of a > Robert de Brus (after all there were six of them including "The Bruce") > but did > anyone look at the details of their so-called family tree? > Click on the first line in the table then go down to #16. This line and > the next > few read as follows: > > 16. Lord Robert BRUCE, 5th of Annandale & Cleveland, was born in 1210 an > died 31 > Mar 1295. He married Isabel DE CLARE who was born on 2 Nov 1236 and died > in > 1295. > 17. Their son, Robert BRUCE (DE BRUS), 1st Earl of Carrick & VIth of > Annandale, > was born in Jul 1243 and died in 1304. He married Countess Marjorie > (Margaret) > of Carrick who died in 1292. > 18. Their son, Sir Thomas BRUCE was born in 1307. He married Mary ERSKINE > who > was the daughter of Sir John ERSKINE of Erskine > > Note: the claim is that Sir Thomas Bruce, b. 1307 was a son of Robert > Bruce who > died in 1304 and of Marjorie of Carrick who died in 1292! I've heard of > posthumous children but this is incredible! > > Just my opinion but the credibility of this site and its claims fall > somewhere > between zero and none! > > David Rorer > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

That of course was not the point. There may be male descendants alive of a Robert de Brus (after all there were six of them including "The Bruce") but did anyone look at the details of their so-called family tree? Click on the first line in the table then go down to #16. This line and the next few read as follows: 16. Lord Robert BRUCE, 5th of Annandale & Cleveland, was born in 1210 an died 31 Mar 1295. He married Isabel DE CLARE who was born on 2 Nov 1236 and died in 1295. 17. Their son, Robert BRUCE (DE BRUS), 1st Earl of Carrick & VIth of Annandale, was born in Jul 1243 and died in 1304. He married Countess Marjorie (Margaret) of Carrick who died in 1292. 18. Their son, Sir Thomas BRUCE was born in 1307. He married Mary ERSKINE who was the daughter of Sir John ERSKINE of Erskine Note: the claim is that Sir Thomas Bruce, b. 1307 was a son of Robert Bruce who died in 1304 and of Marjorie of Carrick who died in 1292! I've heard of posthumous children but this is incredible! Just my opinion but the credibility of this site and its claims fall somewhere between zero and none! David Rorer > -----Original Message----- > From: BWGood@aol.com [mailto:BWGood@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:58 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] MacWho and The Bruce > > > In a message dated 7/17/06 3:38:12 PM, drorer@fuse.net writes: > > > > Of course his brother Christian may have male descendants, in the direct > > line, > > but Robert!  I think not!! > > > Robert did not have any direct male descendants, but his father, Robert > Bruce, Earl of Annandale, had several sons. One of them, Edward Bruce, King > of > Ireland and Earl of Carrick has male descendants at least into the 1500's > where > I stopped looking. He was the ancestor of James I, II, III, IV, and V, Kings > of Scotland. Leo Pas website has many pedigrees of medieval gentry: > http://www.genealogics.org/index.php > > Barbara Good > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Forwarding for Mrs. Honegger. Please include her address of BarHonegger@aol.com in any replies. Do NOT reply to my address. Yours Aye, Lauren Scot DNA List Admin -----Forwarded Message----- >From: BarHonegger@aol.com >Sent: Jul 18, 2006 2:20 AM >To: jahansen@brigadoon.net, Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: {not a subscriber} Urgent request for guidance re Scot DNA Analysis for my husband who died June 13 -his last wish was that his Scot roots be fully analyzed > > > Mr. Hansen, > My husband, Dr. Richard C. Murray, who sometimes referred to himself >as Dick Murray, died unexpected on June 13. Just before he died, he was >very excited about having found the Scot DNA project and wanted to have >his DNA sample analyzed to learn the details of his Scottish roots. I want >to do whatever is needed to fulfill this, his last wish. > As part of the diagnostic process he was going through in the last two >weeks of his life, Richard had a blood sample taken, which I have arranged >to be kept in refrigeration at the lab. I would put you, or the appropriate >person(s), in touch with the lab. Though they will not send the sample >to me directly, they said they could, and would, send it to the appropriate >lab which does the Scot DNA analysis Richard wanted done. > Please get back when you get this with precisely what I need to do >to arrange for Richard's blood sample, or part of it, to be mailed, >presumably refrigerated, to the analysis lab. Richard mentioned that >a saliva sample was usually requested, but that is no longer possible. >I do have a lock of his hair, if that would be valuable for DNA cross >referencing. > Please consider this an urgent request, as the blood sample is >a month old. > Thank you for all the steering and help you can give me, > Barbara Honegger, Richard's wife >

In a message dated 7/17/06 3:38:12 PM, drorer@fuse.net writes: > Of course his brother Christian may have male descendants, in the direct > line, > but Robert!  I think not!! > Robert did not have any direct male descendants, but his father, Robert Bruce, Earl of Annandale, had several sons. One of them, Edward Bruce, King of Ireland and Earl of Carrick has male descendants at least into the 1500's where I stopped looking. He was the ancestor of James I, II, III, IV, and V, Kings of Scotland. Leo Pas website has many pedigrees of medieval gentry: http://www.genealogics.org/index.php Barbara Good

Robert the Bruce had two children who survived him: Marjorie, daughter of his first wife Isabel of Mar David, son of his second wife Elizabeth de Burgh David succeeded his father and reigned as King David II, from 1329 till 1371 but died childless. Marjorie married Walter the Steward and had a son, Robert who succeeded his uncle David and reigned as Robert II from 1371 to 1390 Now if his only son died childless how did they determine that they have a Heliotype from one of his direct descendants? Did anyone bother to actually look at his family tree? Of course his brother Christian may have male descendants, in the direct line, but Robert! I think not!! David Rorer > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Ferguson [mailto:colinf@sierratel.com] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:15 PM > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] MacWho and The Bruce > > The following site claims to have a Haplotype from a direct descendant > of Robert the Bruce: > http://www.small-stuff.com/BRUCE/results.htm > > The 12 markers presented are close to the MacWho modal with the > exception of DYS385a=11. Given that this is the marker said in the > MacWho modal to have been a "recLOH" mutation, can we now ask are the > MacWho descendants of Robert the Bruce? > -- > Cheers, > Colin Ferguson > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > All posts to this list are archived and cannot be edited from: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOT-DNA/ > Please bear this in mind if you are considering posting > anything of a sensitive nature re your personal DNA. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at > the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targ > etid=5429

Hi When comparing my ydna results that were done by Relative Genetics to the results in the SCOTS DNA excel spreadsheet do I need to reduce my Y-GATA-H4 value by one? At Ysearch.org (familytree.com) mine has to be reduced by one but I am not sure which method is used in the SCOTS DNA group. Thanks Lucinda.