I forgot to include the link to my experiment <http://www.ystradmynach.org.uk/colla>. Howard Wayne Roberts wrote: > Not so much by halplotype as that is a waste of time, but genetic > markers at 25, 37 and beyond. I have discovered a Roberts of Welsh > descent who matches a Williams. Thomas, Powell etc at 36/37 markers. > That's because the tradition in Wales was that you took the first name > of the father as last name of the son and this continued right up to > C19 in some areas. The surname became fixed at different times in > different branches with only a generation or two between them. Try and > establish a non - paternal event in that situation! > > Then in Scotland you have clans of various septs that are meant to be > related, and in some cases a segments of the clan does appear to share > an ancestor. I was playing around with John Laird's King Colla Uais > study <http://lairdgenealogy.com/KingCollaUaisDNA.html> and what it > meant for a chunk Clan Donnachaidh participants. it was also a useful > exercise in another way, since it clearly showed that I have a > mutation at 448; Robertson at 464a and the Reid does not appear to > have mutated at all. The rest is obvious. > > The only caution I would give is that Yserach is open to everyone and > I have noticed that mistakes in entering the markers are sometimes made. > > Howard Wayne Roberts > > > John Carr wrote: >> Ysearch is a public database maintained by FTDNA that allows people >> with YSTR DNA results to see who matches them by haplotype or by >> surname. There are many people who have no matches, perhaps around >> 30 to 50% of those tested, I am not sure of the statistics. Many >> discussions have taken place about name adoption, Non-Paternal events >> and such, so finding out that we do not match others in a surname >> group we expect to is entirely possible. Searching for a connection >> with those of other surnames but who match your haplotype is >> discouraged, but there is always that small possibility of learning >> something. I recall one individual who remarked to an aunt how his >> DNA did match with others of his surname and she responded that >> Grandpa was born with another surname, one his YDNA did match. Other >> similar stories have come up as well. That is why I feel an open >> mind is always a good idea. A haplotype match does not indicate >> relatedness any more than a common surname. It is all in the family >> history documentation. >> >> http://www.ysearch.org/ >> >> Ybase is another public YDNA database. >> >> http://www.ybase.org/ >> >> John Carr >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:17 PM, William Vincent wrote: >> >>> John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is >>> as it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know >>> what the 12 markers are. Bill >>> >>> Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> >>> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c >>> >>> >>>> You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: >>>> >>>>> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >>>>> Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >>>>> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >>>>> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >>>>> auspices >>>>> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >>>>> identification. Am wondering >>>>> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me >>>>> how to find >>>>> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank >>>>> you. Bill >>>>> in Baltimore, MD, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>>> Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >>>> John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will >>>> provide a private answer. >>>> Want to join the Project? Visit: >>>> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >>> of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >>> in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >>> for their work. 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Not so much by halplotype as that is a waste of time, but genetic markers at 25, 37 and beyond. I have discovered a Roberts of Welsh descent who matches a Williams. Thomas, Powell etc at 36/37 markers. That's because the tradition in Wales was that you took the first name of the father as last name of the son and this continued right up to C19 in some areas. The surname became fixed at different times in different branches with only a generation or two between them. Try and establish a non - paternal event in that situation! Then in Scotland you have clans of various septs that are meant to be related, and in some cases a segments of the clan does appear to share an ancestor. I was playing around with John Laird's King Colla Uais study <http://lairdgenealogy.com/KingCollaUaisDNA.html> and what it meant for a chunk Clan Donnachaidh participants. it was also a useful exercise in another way, since it clearly showed that I have a mutation at 448; Robertson at 464a and the Reid does not appear to have mutated at all. The rest is obvious. The only caution I would give is that Yserach is open to everyone and I have noticed that mistakes in entering the markers are sometimes made. Howard Wayne Roberts John Carr wrote: > Ysearch is a public database maintained by FTDNA that allows people > with YSTR DNA results to see who matches them by haplotype or by > surname. There are many people who have no matches, perhaps around 30 > to 50% of those tested, I am not sure of the statistics. Many > discussions have taken place about name adoption, Non-Paternal events > and such, so finding out that we do not match others in a surname > group we expect to is entirely possible. Searching for a connection > with those of other surnames but who match your haplotype is > discouraged, but there is always that small possibility of learning > something. I recall one individual who remarked to an aunt how his > DNA did match with others of his surname and she responded that > Grandpa was born with another surname, one his YDNA did match. Other > similar stories have come up as well. That is why I feel an open mind > is always a good idea. A haplotype match does not indicate > relatedness any more than a common surname. It is all in the family > history documentation. > > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > Ybase is another public YDNA database. > > http://www.ybase.org/ > > John Carr > > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:17 PM, William Vincent wrote: > >> John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is as >> it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know what >> the 12 markers are. Bill >> >> Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> >> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c >> >> >>> You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: >>> >>>> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >>>> Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >>>> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >>>> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >>>> auspices >>>> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >>>> identification. Am wondering >>>> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how >>>> to find >>>> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank >>>> you. Bill >>>> in Baltimore, MD, USA >>> >>> >>> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >>> Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >>> John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will >>> provide a private answer. >>> Want to join the Project? Visit: >>> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely >> of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE >> in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration >> for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work >> necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been >> submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Need to contact the list admin? > Send your email to Scot-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com > Want to post?Send your email to Scot-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Need to unsubscribe for vacation or? > Send your unsubscription request to Scot-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com > Scot-DNA list is a flame free zone. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Me. Y-SEARCH ID B88NP. ---------------------------------------- > From: billvinc@verizon.net > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:34:23 -0400 > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c > > A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 > is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else > among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the auspices > of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog identification. Am wondering > if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to find > where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. Bill > in Baltimore, MD, USA > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages > for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. > These questions can be responded to off list. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

Hi: My Haplogroup test results are as follows: Haplogroup - R1b1c SNP Tests - M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M18- M222- M65- M73- SRY2627 This is a partial result - still waiting for all the data. I am a member of the Turner Project, and the Scottish-Clans Project.and have tested 37 Markers. Warren Turner At 05:34 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the auspices >of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >identification. Am wondering >if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to find >where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. Bill >in Baltimore, MD, USA > > >==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages >for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. >These questions can be responded to off list. > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Ysearch is a public database maintained by FTDNA that allows people with YSTR DNA results to see who matches them by haplotype or by surname. There are many people who have no matches, perhaps around 30 to 50% of those tested, I am not sure of the statistics. Many discussions have taken place about name adoption, Non-Paternal events and such, so finding out that we do not match others in a surname group we expect to is entirely possible. Searching for a connection with those of other surnames but who match your haplotype is discouraged, but there is always that small possibility of learning something. I recall one individual who remarked to an aunt how his DNA did match with others of his surname and she responded that Grandpa was born with another surname, one his YDNA did match. Other similar stories have come up as well. That is why I feel an open mind is always a good idea. A haplotype match does not indicate relatedness any more than a common surname. It is all in the family history documentation. http://www.ysearch.org/ Ybase is another public YDNA database. http://www.ybase.org/ John Carr On Aug 27, 2006, at 5:17 PM, William Vincent wrote: > John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is as > it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know what > the 12 markers are. Bill > > Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c > > >> You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: >> >>> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from >>> Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 >>> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >>> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >>> auspices >>> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >>> identification. Am wondering >>> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how >>> to find >>> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank >>> you. Bill >>> in Baltimore, MD, USA >> >> >> ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== >> Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, >> John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will >> provide a private answer. >> Want to join the Project? Visit: >> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish- >> Clans&projecttype=G >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely > of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE > in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration > for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work > necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been > submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Many thanks to Derek McDonald, Greg Moore and John Carr for their prompt reply to my query and suggestions which I am sure will help me zero in on my family's origins. Bill Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Vincent" <billvinc@verizon.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c >A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, >Scotland in 1770 > is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else > among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the auspices > of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog > identification. Am wondering > if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to > find > where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. > Bill > in Baltimore, MD, USA > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Per agreement with Rootsweb, there can be no marketing messsages > for any laboratory. No specific costs can be stated on list. > These questions can be responded to off list. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

John, Thanks for your reply, but I don't know what a Ysearch ID is as it was not I who took the DNA test. Can you explain, I do know what the 12 markers are. Bill Original Message ----- From: "John Carr" <jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Any in Haplog group R1b1c > You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. > > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: > >> A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, >> Scotland in 1770 >> is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else >> among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the >> auspices >> of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog >> identification. Am wondering >> if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to >> find >> where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. >> Bill >> in Baltimore, MD, USA > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will provide a > private answer. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Bill, What is a Haplog? YOUR: "have this identical haplog " Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin, Graves; all direct male relatives

A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the auspices of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog identification. Am wondering if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to find where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. Bill in Baltimore, MD, USA

I am R1b1c(x) after my maternal grandfather and am still waiting for the determination of the last digit (x) ... After some research we have found that my 12 markers overlap with the Milesian line of Heber. Most of my matches come either from Ireland or from Argyllshire. I also have a 19/23 near match with the Morrisons on the slow markers (much more important than any other markers) and almost exact matches on the 25 markers with the Kellys and other Irish/Argyll families... Greg W. Moore, Clan Morrison William Vincent <billvinc@verizon.net> wrote: A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, Scotland in 1770 is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the auspices of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog identification. Am wondering if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to find where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank you. Bill in Baltimore, MD, USA

You should specify a Ysearch ID where others can view your haplotype. On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:34 PM, William Vincent wrote: > A descendant of my McAlister ancestor who emigrated from Argyllshire, > Scotland in 1770 > is in the Haplog group R1b1c yet in this 12 marker test no one else > among the 47, or so others, who have tested with FTMDNA under the > auspices > of the Clan McAlister of America have this identical haplog > identification. Am wondering > if anyone on your list has this unusual haplog or could tell me how to > find > where others of that identification could be found on line. Thank > you. Bill > in Baltimore, MD, USA

One other possibility is they are having problems running the sample. My sample also took a while and that was the reason. it had to be run again. They might have switched to the B sample after several failed attempts on the A sample. I agree they are very helpful when you contact them. It doesn't help since we get like kids at Christmas time waiting for our presents. George Young _http://www.lamont-young.com/lamont/_ (http://www.lamont-young.com/lamont/) Lamont DNA project _http://www.lamont-young.com_ (http://www.lamont-young.com) Young DNA project

Bob -- I agree with Bruce. I've been dealing w/FTDNA since the beginning and have found them to be quite straight forward and above board. You might want to contact them directly to confirm it. Just go their home page (familtreedna.com). There's a place to enter your kit # to find out the progress. Cheers, Jim Gordon Three members of the FTDNA Baird Surname Project have received their 67 marker DNA results, the first coming in on 7/17/06. Results for the first to order and the last to come in had a value of 0, a null value, for DYS425. FTDNA states that cases like this are retested multiple times by the lab to confirm their accuracy. Perhaps this is the reason for your delay. Bruce Baird In a message dated 8/27/2006 4:03:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: I was wondering if any other listers have or experiencing the same problem I'm having with the http://www.familytreedna.com . It is over six months since I was asked and paid for to upgrade my markers from 37 to 67, as to date have not received anything but excuses. First it was going to be May then June or July maybe August now I have heard it is going to be September. One would think, with a company like this, it would have been able to get its act together by now, just makes me wonder if the results I receive with be 100% mine Well we will see what September brings Bob ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! They give freely of their time and effort to this Project and study. NO ONE in this Project receives any financial or in-kind remuneration for their work. Please be patient with them as they perform the work necessary to analyze and report the findings of what has been submitted to the Project by a multitude of sources. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Bob, Who have you been corresponding with at Family Tree DNA? I have several good contacts there who have been very responsive to my questions (I have about a half dozen orders at varying stages with them). They were having some delays on processing upgrades this summer, but more than six months is much too long. I have found both these women to be helpful: Catherine McDonald at cmcd@familytreedna.com and Julie Walthall at juliew@familytreedna.com If you still don't get a satisfactory answer, then I suggest, if you have not done so already, you contact Bennett Greenspan, the company president, at bcg@familytreedna.com Good luck! Sandra Kidd descendant of James Buchanan of Charles Co, MD, through son James of western NC (Toe River Valley) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: > "relder" <relder@tiscali.co.uk> > Date: > Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:01:31 +0100 > To: > SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > > I was wondering if any other listers have or experiencing the same > problem I'm having with the > http://www.familytreedna.com . > > It is over six months since I was asked and paid for to upgrade my > markers from 37 to 67, as to date have not received anything but excuses. > > First it was going to be May then June or July maybe August now I have > heard it is going to be September. > > One would think, with a company like this, it would have been able to > get its act together by now, just makes me wonder if the results I > receive with be 100% mine > > Well we will see what September brings > > Bob

Good point. ---------------------------------------- > From: jcarrgensearch@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Pictish DNA > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:45:03 -0700 > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > One should be aware that this could be duplicate testing for people who > already have YSTR results before ordering the new test. 21 of the 27 > YSTR markers Ethnoancestry has in their Pictish DNA test are included > in the 37 marker FTDNA test. DYS 425 is included in FTDNA's 67 marker > test, but nearly all R1bs have an allele of 12 at this marker. DYS 425 > and the other 5 markers are available from DNA Fingerprint, which has > now merged with FTDNA. All of these markers, except DYS425, DYS434 and > DYS435, are included in testing conducted by Sorenson Labs, which > includes DNA Heritage, Relative Genetics and SMGF. > > What we need is to uncover is the haplotype Ethnoancestry has labeled > Pictish. Since Dr. Wilson is located in Edinburgh and has conducted > extensive DNA testing on the local population using various grants and > programs from government and private sources, he is a prime candidate > to achieve a break down the Haplogroup profile of the Scottish and > English population. David Faux has indicated in the past he would > share results of the genealogy related DNA testing conducted during the > studies conducted by Edinburgh University. Hopefully we still have > that opportunity in our future. > > > John Carr > > > On Aug 26, 2006, at 7:47 PM, N & K Chestnut wrote: > > > I have the results of a SMITH cousin in the U.S. Northeast SMITH > > Project; and we don't have a match at this time. FTDNA has estimated > > our Haplogroup to be E3b. > > > > Kay Chestnut > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

Here, here. Laurence Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:23:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Pickish DNA > From: steve@planetcentral.com > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > All, > > I don't quite know how to begin this posting. I'm floored to see such a > series of postings. Of course there are no known Picts living that can be > tested. However, DNA can point to where one's lineage originated even by > clarifying a lack of other connections. For instance, if one has a good > documents back to Northwestern England in the 1100's, AND one has no DNA > connections back to the Norse, back to the French, the Romans or any other > invading country, then there's a compelling argument that one might be a > descendant of the very early settlers of England, such as the Picts. > > No, no Picts currently are living in England, or are they? > > I have signed my project up for EthnoAncestry's test based on SNP testing > they're conducting looking at distant ancestry that an R1b haplogroup is > simply too broad to solve. Many of our descendants, based on markers in > the FTDNA tests, are showing a high probablility of what EA is calling the > S21 subgroup which seems to be showing connections to the ancient Sinclair > Earldom lines. Their S29 may be pointing to Viking invaders. Only the test > will prove if it's accurate, that and more participants. > > I recommend this group look into the test with interest. While no one can > promise proof of descent from certain ancient peoples, we can learn enough > from what the results show (and what they don't show) to begin to form > educated hypotheses. I offer as evidence the FTDNA project to look for > descendants of the Jewish Priest class, i.e. descendants of the Levis and > Cohens. > > EthnoAncestry is in no way a scam. Jim Wilson and David Faux are highly > respected DNA professionals. David will, for certain, be mortified to > learn of such a series of postings. He's been contributing to the greater > collection of knowledge on DNA testing for many years now. > > Please, I ask you, stop this line of postings until you learn a great deal > more about the gentlemen offering the test, their history in DNA and their > incredible credibility in all matters of genealogy. > > Kind Regards, > > Steve St. Clair > > www.StClairResearch.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

Kay, some things are what they are and not scams. Laurence ---------------------------------------- > From: nkopportunity@gorge.net > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] Pictish DNA > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:47:39 -0700 > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > David, > Thanks for that "heads up" on what might be a scam. I might have fallen for that one. > I have the results of a SMITH cousin in the U.S. Northeast SMITH Project; and we don't have a match at this time. FTDNA has estimated our Haplogroup to be E3b. > I have even searched Sorenson; I saw a couple fair matches at 19/22 to guys in the Mormon records. They are identified by "AFH", and "AFN" codes; but I cannot find any details for figuring out when nor where their ancestor was (might have been). > Suggestions welcome from anyone. > > Kay Chestnut > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Rorer > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:33 PM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] Pictish DNA > > > > The following came to me from another list. It was originally published in > Eastmans Online Genealogy Newsletter and I am reposting it to this list for > everyone's interest. There is a link to the original publication, from which > Eastman took his story, at the bottom of the message. > I am surprised that Eastman published this story; it comes from a source which > is on a par with supermarket tabloids and so obviously appears to be a scam. > Aside from the dubious claim of being able to identify Pickish DNA (no one has > actually been identified as a Pict for at least a millennium) and the > outrageously high test fee, anyone at all familiar with Scottish history would > know that Scottishness has far more to do with heritage than genetics. Many of > the leading families of Scotland (Comyn/Bruce/Stewart) originated in Normandy; > others, (MacDonald/MacDougall) have Norse antecedents and no one questions their > Scottishness. > It is no surprise to find that most of Orkney had Norse ancestry, since it and > the Hebrides were part of the kingdom of Norway for centuries and heavily > settled from there. > The Scots themselves came from Ireland c. 500-600 and when the various > territories that became the kingdom of Scotland finally coalesced into one > polity it included not only Picts and Scots but the Britons of Strathclyde > (which included Cambria) and the Angles of Lothian (ruled at times by > Northumbria). > After than, in the half century between 1100 and 1600, there were the numerous > foreign soldieries (Danish, Norse, French, English, Spanish, Irish, Welsh even > German and Lowlander) who were part of the various armies that fought in > Scotland and, as soldiers will, left samples of their DNA behind. > Unfortunately there will probably be a number of people who will pay this > excessive amount for an extremely dubious report. > It's too bad that Eastman ran this story and gave it, however tenuous, a touch > of legitimacy. > > David Rorer > > > /The following article is from Eastmans Online Genealogy Newsletter > > and is copyright 2006 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here > > with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is > > available at / http://www.eogn.com <http://www.eogn.com/>/./ > > * > > > > - So You Think You're Scots? > > > > * > > > > Help is at hand for the millions of people around the world who claim > > to be Scottish. A new test will be able to prove if that's just > > wishful thinking or if someone really has a Caledonian connection. A > > leading scientist has developed a "Scottishness" test that searches > > people's DNA to trace their origins. > > > > Geneticist Dr. Jim Wilson is offering the #130 ($245 US) diagnosis, > > which determines how Scottish people are. He has identified a genetic > > pattern which can determine whether a person is descended from > > Scotland's ancient inhabitants, the Picts, and can test people for > > traces of their genes. Dr. Wilson says he wants to target Americans > > eager to seek out their Scottish ancestry. > > > > You can read more about this story at http://tinyurl.com/m499n _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

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Three members of the FTDNA Baird Surname Project have received their 67 marker DNA results, the first coming in on 7/17/06. Results for the first to order and the last to come in had a value of 0, a null value, for DYS425. FTDNA states that cases like this are retested multiple times by the lab to confirm their accuracy. Perhaps this is the reason for your delay. Bruce Baird In a message dated 8/27/2006 4:03:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: I was wondering if any other listers have or experiencing the same problem I'm having with the http://www.familytreedna.com . It is over six months since I was asked and paid for to upgrade my markers from 37 to 67, as to date have not received anything but excuses. First it was going to be May then June or July maybe August now I have heard it is going to be September. One would think, with a company like this, it would have been able to get its act together by now, just makes me wonder if the results I receive with be 100% mine Well we will see what September brings Bob

I was wondering if any other listers have or experiencing the same problem I'm having with the http://www.familytreedna.com . It is over six months since I was asked and paid for to upgrade my markers from 37 to 67, as to date have not received anything but excuses. First it was going to be May then June or July maybe August now I have heard it is going to be September. One would think, with a company like this, it would have been able to get its act together by now, just makes me wonder if the results I receive with be 100% mine Well we will see what September brings Bob