I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com >

Refresh my memory. How well do I know you? -----Original Message----- From: scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scot-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mcpherson Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:52 PM To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] No news is bad news I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another Offer for those wanting to learn more about ancestral relationships: Contact David for details Ethnoancestry is prepared to drop the bottom out of things and spill a bit of red ink if necessary (my accountant is going to tear his hair out) if you can promise us 10, yes just 10 (ok, almost 10 will do), particpants willing to take the R1b FT Upgrade Test which involves S21, S26, S29 and S28 (R1b1c9 through 10). We hope to tease a few pockets of each from locations in contries such as Spain where they "seem few and far between" (perhaps their are regions where one or more will predominate but no one has explored this in any depth at all) so we can get an idea whether the apparent dividing lines between these downstream subgroups are as stable as they appear to be. One would think that with markers of an apparent age very close to Daddy M269, S21 and S28 would be plastered all over Western Europe but this is not the case. We would also like to know if S28 is more common than R1b1c* as one moves further and further east. Would the Administrators please contact me if they wish to avail themselves of this offer. Those interested in a deal on all 5 I1a SNPs, please contact me and we will talk turkey. These offers will be good until 23 December so get em while they are hot. Hopefully other companies will have similar announcements. Thank you, David. Dr. David K.W. Faux President Ethnoancestry USA, Inc. www.ethnodna.com

A major DNA genealogy test company has released their annual year end incentives for new customers. If you have anyone you want to test or know someone who wants to do a DNA test, now is the time to contact your DNA surname project administrator and inquire. The offer is limited. http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp Current News Letter http://www.familytreeDNA.com/facts_genes.asp There are many researchers out there who are working with our YDNA haplotypes that we post on Ysearch to identify what can be learned from our DNA results in terms of common ancestry. Post your YDNA haplotype on Ysearch and list the most accurate ancestral information you can to aid in this research. We will all be the benefits of this analysis. http://www.ysearch.org/ Season's Greetings, John Carr Carr Surname Genetic Genealogy Project Administrator Linked to the Scottish Clans DNA Project and the Border Reiver DNA Project

Jim, I have not receeived anything recently, as well. Just a quiet list. Dave >I have not had any mail for a while have I dropped off the radar? > > James McPherson < lergiechonie@toucansurf.com > >

Kay, Thank you for the reply. I did the mtDNA and a male descendant who lives in North Carolina, did the Y-DNA a little later,so we are both waiting for confirmation on our gr-gr-grandfather. Our McClellan lineage has some unconfirmed marriages between cousins, so there is a possibility of having both DNA and mtDNA strands. I am a nurse and familiar with the DNA testing procedure.Wanda N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> wrote: To Wanda, You mention that you have done the mtDNA - that is female DNA. Then you jump to your Great-Great-Grandfather - he is a male. Question - am I missing something? If you are trying to help research your McCLELLAN line with DNA, you would have to have a male descendant of your G-G-Grandfather McCLELLAN: son, grandson, great-grandson, etc. And that male descendant would or should still have the McCLELLAN surname. And that DNA test is called "yDNA" and can come only from males. If you really did a mtDNA "female" DNA test, did you do your own or someone else? The "mtDNA" test I had done was on my brother's DNA sample. And from that sample I first had his "yDNA" tested. Then a few years later, I had FTDNA do the "mtDNA" test, which meant that I was actually having our mother's DNA tested. In a few more years, I may decide to "double-check" our "mtDNA" [female line]. At this time there are several others for whom I could order another DNA kit, acquire a new DNA sample and have the new sample "mtDNA" tested: 1) mine, 2) my son, and 3) one of my mother's living sisters, or even 4) one of the daughters of my mother's sisters. Males have their mother's "mtDNA"; but they can NOT pass it on to any of their children. Males have their father's "yDNA"; but they CAN pass it on ONLY to their SONS, never to their daughters. I do hope that my "wordiness" has made this clear, NOT more confusing. Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: Wanda Nelsen To: SCOT-DNA@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] McClellan I have done the mt DNA project and some information is available. My gr-gr grandfather was John Milton McClellan--born 1799 in North Carolina He was known by the name Milton or nick name of Jackie, as he seems to have dropped the first name of John .I have found him in several census in North Carolina-Cabarrus County--McDowell County--Mitchell County--Yancey County. Occupation ( cooper )--barrel maker.He was last found on the census of 1900 at age given as 99 years old,living with his son John ( farmer ) and daughter in law Hannah Johnson McClellan, ( midwife ) in Spruce Pine, Mitchell County North Carolina. I have no solid proof of his parents except for an old Bible entry that states John Milton McClellan son of Joseph McClellan and Margaret McEachen. He married in Cabarrus County North Carolina, on January 23 1825 Narcissa Collens born 1805-died some time after census of 1850 Mitchell Co. N.C. Thank you,and i hope to hear something new and exciting about my ancestor soon. My search has been slow and not too productive. # 1 records on file in courthouses or churches were lost in fires during / or after the Civil War. # 2 I live in California and at my age i dont travel too far from home any more. Wanda. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kay-- Unless you doubt that your mother was also your brother's mother, I do not see a point in retesting your mtDNA or that of your son. Nor do I see a point in testing the mtDNA of your mother's sisters, unless, again you doubt who the mother was for both siblings. Male parentage does not have the same close proof that female parentage does. We know for certain who the mother of a child is -- when present for the birth. When I had my mtDNA tested, I sent the results to all my living female relatives and males within the proper generations and female descent in order they would know their mtDNA. I would spend the funds earmarked for repeat of your mtDNA tests on further Y-DNA testing. But then that could be the thrifty Scot in me speaking. Hard pressed to get us to spend, but when we do, we do it wisely. :) Yours Aye, Lauren H CRS 315.1c -----Original Message----- >From: N & K Chestnut <nkopportunity@gorge.net> >Sent: Oct 11, 2006 9:20 PM >To: scot-dna@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] To Wanda > ><snip> In a few more years, I may decide to "double-check" our "mtDNA" [female line]. At this time there are several others for whom I could order another DNA kit, acquire a new DNA sample and have the new sample "mtDNA" tested: 1) mine, 2) my son, and 3) one of my mother's living sisters, or even 4) one of the daughters of my mother's sisters. Males have their mother's "mtDNA"; but they can NOT pass it on to any of their children. Males have their father's "yDNA"; but they CAN pass it on ONLY to their SONS, never to their daughters. > I do hope that my "wordiness" has made this clear, NOT more confusing. > >Kay Chestnut

Kay: Your reply is nicely done and brings up a very good point in tracing ancestry lines. The use of the Male MtDNA can be very useful as well if that trail leads to the documented paper trail that is solid as well. Most of those male descendants would NOT be of the same surname. If there is a solid paper evidence of the marriage of GG Father and the GG Mother...... then there is an implied connection that can be useful. Then female descendants of' that marriage can be somewhat assured of the ancestry line as well.. Finding daughters of that line is sometimes hard to find due to the surname changes. But the fact remains that mothers do pass their MtDNA to their sons is also very significant and pehaps may well be the only DNA connection into the ancestry line. I think there will be more and more combining of the paper trail with the DNA trail as well. There are more combo's evolving of the paper trail with DNA evidence for descendants with male and female DNA that help to at least provide some degree of evidence of the ancestry line. Best Regards John A Hansen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N & K Chestnut" <nkopportunity@gorge.net> To: <scot-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] To Wanda > To Wanda, > You mention that you have done the mtDNA - that is female DNA. Then > you jump to your Great-Great-Grandfather - he is a male. Question - am I > missing something? > If you are trying to help research your McCLELLAN line with DNA, you > would have to have a male descendant of your G-G-Grandfather McCLELLAN: > son, grandson, great-grandson, etc. And that male descendant would or > should still have the McCLELLAN surname. And that DNA test is called > "yDNA" and can come only from males. > If you really did a mtDNA "female" DNA test, did you do your own or > someone else? > The "mtDNA" test I had done was on my brother's DNA sample. And from > that sample I first had his "yDNA" tested. Then a few years later, I had > FTDNA do the "mtDNA" test, which meant that I was actually having our > mother's DNA tested. In a few more years, I may decide to "double-check" > our "mtDNA" [female line]. At this time there are several others for whom > I could order another DNA kit, acquire a new DNA sample and have the new > sample "mtDNA" tested: 1) mine, 2) my son, and 3) one of my mother's > living sisters, or even 4) one of the daughters of my mother's sisters. > Males have their mother's "mtDNA"; but they can NOT pass it on to any of > their children. Males have their father's "yDNA"; but they CAN pass it > on ONLY to their SONS, never to their daughters. > I do hope that my "wordiness" has made this clear, NOT more confusing. > > Kay Chestnut > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wanda Nelsen > To: SCOT-DNA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:48 PM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] McClellan > > > I have done the mt DNA project and some information is available. > My gr-gr grandfather was > John Milton McClellan--born 1799 in North Carolina > He was known by the name Milton or nick name of Jackie, as he seems > to have dropped the first name of John .I have found him in several census > in North Carolina-Cabarrus County--McDowell County--Mitchell > County--Yancey County. Occupation ( cooper )--barrel maker.He was last > found on the census of 1900 at age given as 99 years old,living with his > son John ( farmer ) and daughter in law Hannah Johnson McClellan, ( > midwife ) in Spruce Pine, Mitchell County North Carolina. I have no solid > proof of his parents except for an old Bible entry that states John > Milton McClellan son of Joseph McClellan and Margaret McEachen. > He married in Cabarrus County North Carolina, on January 23 1825 > Narcissa Collens born 1805-died some time after census of 1850 Mitchell > Co. N.C. > Thank you,and i hope to hear something new and exciting about my > ancestor soon. > My search has been slow and not too productive. # 1 records on file in > courthouses or churches were lost in fires during / or after the Civil > War. # 2 I live in California and at my age i dont travel too far from > home any more. Wanda. > >

I am also a native from CA. My parents where born in OH (Mother) and MA (father). Gregg From: Wanda Nelsen <w.nelsen@sbcglobal.net> Date: 2006/10/11 Wed PM 09:48:52 EDT To: SCOT-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCOT-DNA] McClellan I have done the mt DNA project and some information is available. My gr-gr grandfather was John Milton McClellan--born 1799 in North Carolina He was known by the name Milton or nick name of Jackie, as he seems to have dropped the first name of John .I have found him in several census in North Carolina-Cabarrus County--McDowell County--Mitchell County--Yancey County. Occupation ( cooper )--barrel maker.He was last found on the census of 1900 at age given as 99 years old,living with his son John ( farmer ) and daughter in law Hannah Johnson McClellan, ( midwife ) in Spruce Pine, Mitchell County North Carolina. I have no solid proof of his parents except for an old Bible entry that states John Milton McClellan son of Joseph McClellan and Margaret McEachen. He married in Cabarrus County North Carolina, on January 23 1825 Narcissa Collens born 1805-died some time after census of 1850 Mitchell Co. N.C. Thank you,and i hope to hear something new and exciting about my ancestor soon. My search has been slow and not too productive. # 1 records on file in courthouses or churches were lost in fires during / or after the Civil War. # 2 I live in California and at my age i dont travel too far from home any more. Wanda. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Wanda, You mention that you have done the mtDNA - that is female DNA. Then you jump to your Great-Great-Grandfather - he is a male. Question - am I missing something? If you are trying to help research your McCLELLAN line with DNA, you would have to have a male descendant of your G-G-Grandfather McCLELLAN: son, grandson, great-grandson, etc. And that male descendant would or should still have the McCLELLAN surname. And that DNA test is called "yDNA" and can come only from males. If you really did a mtDNA "female" DNA test, did you do your own or someone else? The "mtDNA" test I had done was on my brother's DNA sample. And from that sample I first had his "yDNA" tested. Then a few years later, I had FTDNA do the "mtDNA" test, which meant that I was actually having our mother's DNA tested. In a few more years, I may decide to "double-check" our "mtDNA" [female line]. At this time there are several others for whom I could order another DNA kit, acquire a new DNA sample and have the new sample "mtDNA" tested: 1) mine, 2) my son, and 3) one of my mother's living sisters, or even 4) one of the daughters of my mother's sisters. Males have their mother's "mtDNA"; but they can NOT pass it on to any of their children. Males have their father's "yDNA"; but they CAN pass it on ONLY to their SONS, never to their daughters. I do hope that my "wordiness" has made this clear, NOT more confusing. Kay Chestnut ----- Original Message ----- From: Wanda Nelsen To: SCOT-DNA@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] McClellan I have done the mt DNA project and some information is available. My gr-gr grandfather was John Milton McClellan--born 1799 in North Carolina He was known by the name Milton or nick name of Jackie, as he seems to have dropped the first name of John .I have found him in several census in North Carolina-Cabarrus County--McDowell County--Mitchell County--Yancey County. Occupation ( cooper )--barrel maker.He was last found on the census of 1900 at age given as 99 years old,living with his son John ( farmer ) and daughter in law Hannah Johnson McClellan, ( midwife ) in Spruce Pine, Mitchell County North Carolina. I have no solid proof of his parents except for an old Bible entry that states John Milton McClellan son of Joseph McClellan and Margaret McEachen. He married in Cabarrus County North Carolina, on January 23 1825 Narcissa Collens born 1805-died some time after census of 1850 Mitchell Co. N.C. Thank you,and i hope to hear something new and exciting about my ancestor soon. My search has been slow and not too productive. # 1 records on file in courthouses or churches were lost in fires during / or after the Civil War. # 2 I live in California and at my age i dont travel too far from home any more. Wanda. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have done the mt DNA project and some information is available. My gr-gr grandfather was John Milton McClellan--born 1799 in North Carolina He was known by the name Milton or nick name of Jackie, as he seems to have dropped the first name of John .I have found him in several census in North Carolina-Cabarrus County--McDowell County--Mitchell County--Yancey County. Occupation ( cooper )--barrel maker.He was last found on the census of 1900 at age given as 99 years old,living with his son John ( farmer ) and daughter in law Hannah Johnson McClellan, ( midwife ) in Spruce Pine, Mitchell County North Carolina. I have no solid proof of his parents except for an old Bible entry that states John Milton McClellan son of Joseph McClellan and Margaret McEachen. He married in Cabarrus County North Carolina, on January 23 1825 Narcissa Collens born 1805-died some time after census of 1850 Mitchell Co. N.C. Thank you,and i hope to hear something new and exciting about my ancestor soon. My search has been slow and not too productive. # 1 records on file in courthouses or churches were lost in fires during / or after the Civil War. # 2 I live in California and at my age i dont travel too far from home any more. Wanda.

To one and all -- If you find yourself sitting around twiddling your thumbs and in need of education and erudition, I strongly recommend reading the posts on the Pharaoh's Daughter site mentioned below. I warn you beforehand, be prepared to spend a very long time there. I went thru about 30 of them before I broke off to pursue some required activity! And if you want to put in your two cents worth in the debate; then by all means do so! Cheers, Jim Gordon Found in the latest issue of Heritage & Culture newsletter at http://heritage.scotsman.com/ is the following, which touches on the legend of the origins of the Scots. David Rorer Another story that has set the heather on fire is our http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm (Myth and Mystery) feature which looks at whether or not the Scottish people are descended from a http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=1343642006 (pharaoh's daughter), who traveled from Egypt and settled in Scotland thousands of years ago. Read the story and join in the debate. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOT-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Dave for the most interesting links, wizards/ Egyptians etc. I have been reading a Scottish author, Lewis Spence, who wrote on these things decades ago, and I understand became quite high in Scottish parliament. He actually puts forward that Atlanteans beacame the Egyptians, and ties many ( books of it) things to Celtic mythology. He was very highly educated in mythology and languages. My family has always been into Astrology/ remote viewing / Shamanism etc. and perhaps one day a marker will be found for this "Merlin" aspect. I find this story very interesting on the Egyptians. In 1989 I had an OBE, where I found myself standing on some steps, looking out over a desert. I turned around and observed the structure, and ": knew" that I was the architect to the pharoah, who was really a woman. Very strange. A few months later I was looking at a National Geographic magazine, and saw the same structure absolutely exactly as I viewed it. It was the Temple to Queen Hatshepsut, who was a female pharoah...... now I find my DNA appears to be Scottish ( maybe Welsh) not sure. But at any rate, I thought I would share this very strange moment 1n 1989, with the very strange article on the Scots/ Irish Egyptians. Really happened...... I put nothing in it though.... I think.:-) Rich ( 4jdg5)

Found in the latest issue of Heritage & Culture newsletter at http://heritage.scotsman.com/ is the following, which touches on the legend of the origins of the Scots. David Rorer Another story that has set the heather on fire is our http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm (Myth and Mystery) feature which looks at whether or not the Scottish people are descended from a http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=1343642006 (pharaoh's daughter), who traveled from Egypt and settled in Scotland thousands of years ago. Read the story and join in the debate.

Could we please have another - perhaps more detailed - explanation of Charlotte Broun's special way of comparing our yDNA results with the data base. Maybe even break it down into several steps. And also explain whether the resulting rearrangement is permanent? Think of us who are over 60. Kay Chestnut There is also the capability of using the arrows to set a particular group of test scores in the box and that will then bring up all tests that match that particular setting. Charlotte Broun gets the credit for this particular creative method :-). Be careful to note that you are then rearranging all the entries so only change one entry at a time to compare results. "

DAn et al, my Y-search and mito-search ID is B88NP. I'm R1b1c paternally (with a Scotland signature and Dal Riadic connections) and I maternally (with Nordic and Nordic-Celtic connections). I have 22 matches on my Y-DNA, but none at 67 markers yet as the database only has a small sampling of 67marker data. I have half a dozen or so 37-marker matches. My mDNA matches 222 on HRV-1 analysis with no matches for HRV-1 and HRV-2 analysis. Laurence in Japan ---------------------------------------- > From: dfulghum@flex.net > Subject: Re: [SCOT-DNA] FW: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:13:57 -0500 > To: SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com > > John, > > I have been a member of your group for several years and I've never had an > assessment of my Y-DNA versus anyone else in the group. It has been hard to > keep up with considering the number of members you now have. I know there > are no exact matches, but I've not seen anything even close. My Y-DNA > tracks back to Nordic regions, so I was hoping to find a clan that had > Nordic roots similar to mine. If you find time, could you glance at mine > and see if you see any near matches to any specific clan. I did have a > 25-marker match with a Laurenson. We compared notes and both know of Danish > roots, but wasn't interested in our links. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John A Hansen" <jahansen@brigadoon.net> > To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:18 PM > Subject: [SCOT-DNA] FW: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME > PROJECTS ? > > > > > > > > Dear Bill: > > > > I'm not sure how you are counting "matches". > > > > I just looked at our rate on the Scottish Clans Project. > > We basically accept anyone that claims to have a > > Scottish Heritage. Althouth this may narrow the > > randomness a bit ... but not much > > > > We have received 395 members as of tonight ( Sept 4 2006). > > There are 405 notices of matches from Family Tree. Obviously > > there were a number of families and Clan members that > > joined together and had their DNA tested here. > > > > I was somewhat surprised by the number > > of "close matches"..... even on 37 markers. Most were > > of the 33,34,35,36,37 .. therefore a 99.% probability > > > > Best Regards > > John A Hansen > > Scottish Clans admin > > www.beintouch.com > > www.brigadoon.net > > > > > > > > > > From: "Lowe DNA" < bbailey.lowedna@baileyconnection.com> > > Subject: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS > ? > > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0500 > > List... > > > > I am interested in the match success rate of > > SURNAME PROJECTS that have close matches at > > 23 or more markers on 25; or, 33 or more > > markers on 37. > > > > We coordinate three projects and these are our > > matches rates as of today.. > > > > Lowe (we require 25 markers to enroll) > > ....25 matches out of 53 men which is a > > ....42% match rate. > > > > Stephens-Stevens (we require 25 markers to enroll) > > ....27 matches out of 57 men which is a > > ....47.4% match rate. > > > > Bailey > > ...24 matches out of 49 men which is a > > ...49% match rate. > > > > I would like to hear from other list members who > > are project coordinators to find out if the 42-50% > > match rate is standard at 25 and 37 markers > > with FTDNA, and other, testing companies. > > > > As always, thanks > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will > > provide a private answer. > > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Subscription and posting to the Scot-DNA list does not necessarily > indicate the poster is a participant in any DNA project. This list > is also for those interested in the subject, not just participating > in a project. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

John, I have been a member of your group for several years and I've never had an assessment of my Y-DNA versus anyone else in the group. It has been hard to keep up with considering the number of members you now have. I know there are no exact matches, but I've not seen anything even close. My Y-DNA tracks back to Nordic regions, so I was hoping to find a clan that had Nordic roots similar to mine. If you find time, could you glance at mine and see if you see any near matches to any specific clan. I did have a 25-marker match with a Laurenson. We compared notes and both know of Danish roots, but wasn't interested in our links. Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Hansen" <jahansen@brigadoon.net> To: <SCOT-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [SCOT-DNA] FW: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > > > Dear Bill: > > I'm not sure how you are counting "matches". > > I just looked at our rate on the Scottish Clans Project. > We basically accept anyone that claims to have a > Scottish Heritage. Althouth this may narrow the > randomness a bit ... but not much > > We have received 395 members as of tonight ( Sept 4 2006). > There are 405 notices of matches from Family Tree. Obviously > there were a number of families and Clan members that > joined together and had their DNA tested here. > > I was somewhat surprised by the number > of "close matches"..... even on 37 markers. Most were > of the 33,34,35,36,37 .. therefore a 99.% probability > > Best Regards > John A Hansen > Scottish Clans admin > www.beintouch.com > www.brigadoon.net > > > > > From: "Lowe DNA" < bbailey.lowedna@baileyconnection.com> > Subject: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0500 > List... > > I am interested in the match success rate of > SURNAME PROJECTS that have close matches at > 23 or more markers on 25; or, 33 or more > markers on 37. > > We coordinate three projects and these are our > matches rates as of today.. > > Lowe (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....25 matches out of 53 men which is a > ....42% match rate. > > Stephens-Stevens (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....27 matches out of 57 men which is a > ....47.4% match rate. > > Bailey > ...24 matches out of 49 men which is a > ...49% match rate. > > I would like to hear from other list members who > are project coordinators to find out if the 42-50% > match rate is standard at 25 and 37 markers > with FTDNA, and other, testing companies. > > As always, thanks > > Bill > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will > provide a private answer. > Want to join the Project? Visit: http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Kenneth :-) -- Clarkson Family -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kenneth Scott <kingsmntscotts@yahoo.com> > Rich, > > The Coldstream Guards is not thought of as a Scottish unit. It is more > English. > > You might want to think of the Coldstream Guards in comparison to the Black > Watch, made up of Scots. The Coldstream Guards were the elite of the English > regiments. The Coldstream Guards were organized by Cromwell, in opposition to > the Royalist/Jacobite uprisings. A simplification might be to say, if your > subject were a Scot, he would have joined the Black Watch, if he were English, > he would join the Coldstream Guards. I will note that the Black Watch is more > of a Highland regiment than a Borderers regiment. Coldstream is much closer to > the Border, but definately on the English side. > > Here is the official site for the Coldstream Guards: > http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm > For reference, here's the official site for the Black Watch: > http://www.army.mod.uk/blackwatch/history/raising_of_regiment.htm > > > The Coldstream Guards were a highly professional and disciplined unit in the > British Army during the Napoleonic Wars & the American Revolution. The Guards > saw action at Brandywine, Valley Forge, Germantown, and White Marsh before going > to winter quarters in Philadelphia in 1777/1778. The Guards were the Infantry > of General Lord Cornwallis' Southern Army in his march from Charleston, SC to > The Battle of Guilford Courthouse, NC in 1781, and then retreat & surrender at > Yorktown later that year. > > You might want to read here these: > http://footguards.tripod.com/08HISTORY/08_regt_hist.htm > http://patriotresource.com/battles/guilford.html > and see a map here: > http://www.britishbattles.com/battle-guilford.htm > > I use the Battle of Guilford Courthouse as the example, because most of the > American forces at the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, especially the militia, > were Scots-Irish decedents of the Jacobite sympathizers, whom the Coldstream > Guards had been initially raised to put down. > > This is probably more than you wanted to know, but I just thought I'd share > some insights. > > -- > Kenneth > > > r_clarkson@comcast.net wrote: > I am at a "dead" end in Chelmsford in about 1740. This ancestral couple came > from an unknown area... and their son joined the Coldstream Guards. Being that > Coldstream is in the north, would it have been a custom of families to join > military units from a traditional birthplace? Would it have been seen as a > Scottish unit then ? > Thanks > Rich > > -- > Clarkson Family > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "John A Hansen" > > > > > > > Dear Bill: > > > > I'm not sure how you are counting "matches". > > > > I just looked at our rate on the Scottish Clans Project. > > We basically accept anyone that claims to have a > > Scottish Heritage. Althouth this may narrow the > > randomness a bit ... but not much > > > > We have received 395 members as of tonight ( Sept 4 2006). > > There are 405 notices of matches from Family Tree. Obviously > > there were a number of families and Clan members that > > joined together and had their DNA tested here. > > > > I was somewhat surprised by the number > > of "close matches"..... even on 37 markers. Most were > > of the 33,34,35,36,37 .. therefore a 99.% probability > > > > Best Regards > > John A Hansen > > Scottish Clans admin > > www.beintouch.com > > www.brigadoon.net > > > > > > > > > > From: "Lowe DNA" < bbailey.lowedna@baileyconnection.com> > > Subject: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0500 > > List... > > > > I am interested in the match success rate of > > SURNAME PROJECTS that have close matches at > > 23 or more markers on 25; or, 33 or more > > markers on 37. > > > > We coordinate three projects and these are our > > matches rates as of today.. > > > > Lowe (we require 25 markers to enroll) > > ....25 matches out of 53 men which is a > > ....42% match rate. > > > > Stephens-Stevens (we require 25 markers to enroll) > > ....27 matches out of 57 men which is a > > ....47.4% match rate. > > > > Bailey > > ...24 matches out of 49 men which is a > > ...49% match rate. > > > > I would like to hear from other list members who > > are project coordinators to find out if the 42-50% > > match rate is standard at 25 and 37 markers > > with FTDNA, and other, testing companies. > > > > As always, thanks > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > THANK YOU to all the Scot DNA Volunteers! 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I am at a "dead" end in Chelmsford in about 1740. This ancestral couple came from an unknown area... and their son joined the Coldstream Guards. Being that Coldstream is in the north, would it have been a custom of families to join military units from a traditional birthplace? Would it have been seen as a Scottish unit then ? Thanks Rich -- Clarkson Family -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John A Hansen" <jahansen@brigadoon.net> > > > Dear Bill: > > I'm not sure how you are counting "matches". > > I just looked at our rate on the Scottish Clans Project. > We basically accept anyone that claims to have a > Scottish Heritage. Althouth this may narrow the > randomness a bit ... but not much > > We have received 395 members as of tonight ( Sept 4 2006). > There are 405 notices of matches from Family Tree. Obviously > there were a number of families and Clan members that > joined together and had their DNA tested here. > > I was somewhat surprised by the number > of "close matches"..... even on 37 markers. Most were > of the 33,34,35,36,37 .. therefore a 99.% probability > > Best Regards > John A Hansen > Scottish Clans admin > www.beintouch.com > www.brigadoon.net > > > > > From: "Lowe DNA" < bbailey.lowedna@baileyconnection.com> > Subject: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0500 > List... > > I am interested in the match success rate of > SURNAME PROJECTS that have close matches at > 23 or more markers on 25; or, 33 or more > markers on 37. > > We coordinate three projects and these are our > matches rates as of today.. > > Lowe (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....25 matches out of 53 men which is a > ....42% match rate. > > Stephens-Stevens (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....27 matches out of 57 men which is a > ....47.4% match rate. > > Bailey > ...24 matches out of 49 men which is a > ...49% match rate. > > I would like to hear from other list members who > are project coordinators to find out if the 42-50% > match rate is standard at 25 and 37 markers > with FTDNA, and other, testing companies. > > As always, thanks > > Bill > > > > ==== SCOT-DNA Mailing List ==== > Have questions about lab cost? Contact the Project Manager, > John A. Hansen, directly at dnaclans@brigadoon.net and he will > provide a private answer. > Want to join the Project? Visit: > http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Scottish-Clans&projecttype=G > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Rich, The Coldstream Guards is not thought of as a Scottish unit. It is more English. You might want to think of the Coldstream Guards in comparison to the Black Watch, made up of Scots. The Coldstream Guards were the elite of the English regiments. The Coldstream Guards were organized by Cromwell, in opposition to the Royalist/Jacobite uprisings. A simplification might be to say, if your subject were a Scot, he would have joined the Black Watch, if he were English, he would join the Coldstream Guards. I will note that the Black Watch is more of a Highland regiment than a Borderers regiment. Coldstream is much closer to the Border, but definately on the English side. Here is the official site for the Coldstream Guards: http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm For reference, here's the official site for the Black Watch: http://www.army.mod.uk/blackwatch/history/raising_of_regiment.htm The Coldstream Guards were a highly professional and disciplined unit in the British Army during the Napoleonic Wars & the American Revolution. The Guards saw action at Brandywine, Valley Forge, Germantown, and White Marsh before going to winter quarters in Philadelphia in 1777/1778. The Guards were the Infantry of General Lord Cornwallis' Southern Army in his march from Charleston, SC to The Battle of Guilford Courthouse, NC in 1781, and then retreat & surrender at Yorktown later that year. You might want to read here these: http://footguards.tripod.com/08HISTORY/08_regt_hist.htm http://patriotresource.com/battles/guilford.html and see a map here: http://www.britishbattles.com/battle-guilford.htm I use the Battle of Guilford Courthouse as the example, because most of the American forces at the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, especially the militia, were Scots-Irish decedents of the Jacobite sympathizers, whom the Coldstream Guards had been initially raised to put down. This is probably more than you wanted to know, but I just thought I'd share some insights. -- Kenneth r_clarkson@comcast.net wrote: I am at a "dead" end in Chelmsford in about 1740. This ancestral couple came from an unknown area... and their son joined the Coldstream Guards. Being that Coldstream is in the north, would it have been a custom of families to join military units from a traditional birthplace? Would it have been seen as a Scottish unit then ? Thanks Rich -- Clarkson Family -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John A Hansen" > > > Dear Bill: > > I'm not sure how you are counting "matches". > > I just looked at our rate on the Scottish Clans Project. > We basically accept anyone that claims to have a > Scottish Heritage. Althouth this may narrow the > randomness a bit ... but not much > > We have received 395 members as of tonight ( Sept 4 2006). > There are 405 notices of matches from Family Tree. Obviously > there were a number of families and Clan members that > joined together and had their DNA tested here. > > I was somewhat surprised by the number > of "close matches"..... even on 37 markers. Most were > of the 33,34,35,36,37 .. therefore a 99.% probability > > Best Regards > John A Hansen > Scottish Clans admin > www.beintouch.com > www.brigadoon.net > > > > > From: "Lowe DNA" < bbailey.lowedna@baileyconnection.com> > Subject: [DNA] PERCENTAGE MATCH SUCCESS RATES FOR SURNAME PROJECTS ? > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0500 > List... > > I am interested in the match success rate of > SURNAME PROJECTS that have close matches at > 23 or more markers on 25; or, 33 or more > markers on 37. > > We coordinate three projects and these are our > matches rates as of today.. > > Lowe (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....25 matches out of 53 men which is a > ....42% match rate. > > Stephens-Stevens (we require 25 markers to enroll) > ....27 matches out of 57 men which is a > ....47.4% match rate. > > Bailey > ...24 matches out of 49 men which is a > ...49% match rate. > > I would like to hear from other list members who > are project coordinators to find out if the 42-50% > match rate is standard at 25 and 37 markers > with FTDNA, and other, testing companies. > > As always, thanks > > Bill > > --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com