In a message dated 7/24/01 5:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jstanton261@cs.com writes: > I like your reply, Bill > Wayne > > > So did I :-) We all had ancestors that fought in that battle and many more!

In reply to Al and Cathy: Phillip Lupo's Caroline is also shown in his household in 1860, just by her initial "C" age 37. So I agree with Cathy that she was not the wife of James Price, but it may be that both were named after an older Lupo family member named Caroline? Good eye, Al. I haven't talked to Lou Pero in a long time, and haven't seen any current chart she might have worked on. But Lou did some fine, in-depth research on the Lupos in the primary records, especially in Robeson. I have never found any real clue as to the identity of Phillip Lupo of Marion County. But I finally found one document in the court records or something similar (can't find it right now), where he AND William Lupo both signed, or were both at an estate sale, or something like that. Nothing showing a relationship, but certainly showing that they weren't strangers to each other, though they lived miles apart from each other. Phillip seemed to be just a little younger than William, but not young enough to have been William's son. It's been difficult for me to avoid speculating that they might have been brothers. Oh, we do LOVE to theorize with little to no evidence available, don't we? Honey, I can theorize with the best of them. And I just love it. My pet peeve is when that theorizing is presented on a chart, with no clarifying data, no notes, no nothing to indicate that it is anything but the butt naked truth. Years ago, I was looking through the printed census records, just browsing around, you know. And all of a sudden it jumped out at me that Luke Johnson had a wife named Appy. And this Appy was just about the same estimated age as the youngest daughter of old Barrett Barfield. And in the same general neighborhood. And I had been wondering what became of Barrett's Appy - who she married, if perhaps Sellers was wrong, and she got married here, or did she really move to Georgia with her father? Now, I wondered, could she have married Luke Johnson? A short time later, I worked up a family group sheet for old Barrett. And beside his daughter Appy, just so I wouldn't forget about it, I put, in parentheses, with three big question marks, (Luke Johnson???). But no further evidence was ever found for a marriage like this. In fact, a correspondent sent some evidence to me that Luke Johnson had probably married someone totally different. My theory was shot down, but I forgot to remove that little note from my family group sheet. Sure enough, several years later I sent it off to someone who asked me about the Barfield family, never even stopping to think about that reference to (Luke Johnson???) that was still on my fgs. Well, now you can go to nearly any Barfield chart on the web, and you will find little old Appy Barfield shown there married to Luke Johnson. No question marks. No parentheses. Apparently those got in someone's way, so they removed them. And dozens of people are still busy, propagating the gospel that Appy Barfield married Luke Johnson. And every time I see that chart for Barrett Barfield's family online, I know it is my own (cause no one else in the world would have had any reason to put together Luke Johnson and Appy Barfield in the Lake View area). And it has been butchered. You can readily see how much confidence that gives me in uncited online charts, and the quality of the data they contain. The only happy thing about the whole incident is that my name and address have been removed from the thing, so I suffer no embarrassment from it. (Until now, when I've decided to confess, that is.) Not sure how I got here from Lupo. Just rambling.... Jo Church Dickerson

I like your reply, Bill Wayne

Hi Mildred, That was indeed a touching letter and has been published many times. Just in case you hadn't noticed, this is the Marion, South Carolina list. I too had ancestors at Bull Run, and they suffered at the hands of Sullivan Ballou or some folks in the same uniform, and all things considered, I hope it was one of mine who nailed the Yankee SOB. Bill

This came from a friend, and I wanted to share it. Mildred The Sullivan Ballou Letter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My very dear Sarah: The indications are very strong that we will move in a few days - perhaps tomorrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write a few lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more. Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure - or it may be one of sever conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine, O God, be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battlefield for my country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American Civilization now leans upon the triumph of the government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution. And I am willing - perfectly willing - to lay down all my joys in this life to help maintain this government, and to pay that debt. But, my dear wife, when I know that with my own joys I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with cares and sorrows - when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it as their only sustenance to my dear little children - is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling wife and children, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country? I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death - and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee. I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in thus hazarding the happiness of those I loved, and I could not find one. A pure love of my country and the principles I have often advocated before the people and "the name of honor that I love more than I fear death" have called upon me, and I have obeyed. Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on, with all these chains, to the battlefield. The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard for me it is to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years when, God willing, we might still have lived and loved together, and seen our sons grow up to honorable manhood around us. I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me - perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Edgar - that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name. Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless and foolish I have often times been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot. I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more. But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the garish day and in the darkest night - amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours - always, always; and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by. Sarah, do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again. As for my little boys, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Willie is too young to remember me long, and my blue-eyed Edgar will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Sarah, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care and your development of their characters. Tell our mothers I call God's blessing upon them. O Sarah, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children. - Sullivan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Major Sullivan Ballou of the 2nd Rhode Island Infantry was killed at the first battle of Bull Run on the 21st of July, 1861.

I know better than to send this to the list, but I am doing it anyway for I think this little story will help each of us to understand why we feel the need to research our families. Francine > > The Story Tellers..... > > We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each family there is one who > seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and > make > them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they > know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of > facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We > are > the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been > called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to > us: > Tell our story. So, we do. > > In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I > stood > before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the > ancestors you have a wonderful family and you would be proud of us? How > many > times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there > for me? I cannot say. > > It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I > do the things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost > forever > to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones > here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing > something > about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to > accomplish. > How they contributed to what we are today. It goes > to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or > giving > up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. > > It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It > goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for > us. > That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we > do. > > With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because > we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story > of > my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer > the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. > > That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those > young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones. > > ( Unknown Author ) > > > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HEAD> > <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR> > <STYLE></STYLE> > </HEAD> > > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> > </DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > <DIV>I hope you all enjoy this as much as I > did.</DIV> > <DIV>Tom</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > <DIV> > The Story Tellers..... > > We are the chosen. My feelings are that > in each family there is one who > seems called to find the ancestors. To put > flesh on their bones and make > them live again, to tell the family story and > to feel that somehow they > know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a > cold gathering of > facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone > before. We are > the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have > been > called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out > to us: > Tell our story. So, we do. > > In finding them, we somehow find > ourselves. How many graves have I stood > before now and cried? I have lost > count. How many times have I told the > ancestors you have a wonderful family > and you would be proud of us? How many > times have I walked up to a grave > and felt somehow there was love there > for me? I cannot say. > > It goes > beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I > do the > things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever > to weeds > and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones > here are > bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something > about > it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. > How > they contributed to what we are today. It goes > to respecting their > hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving > up, their > resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. > > It goes to > deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It > goes to a deep > and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. > That we might be > born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. > > With love and > caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because > we are them and > they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of > my family. It is > up to that one called in the next generation to answer > the call and take > their place in the long line of family storytellers. > > That, is why I do > my family genealogy, and that is what calls those > young and old to step up > and put flesh on the bones. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>( Unknown Author ) > > > </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > </XMP> > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: <twaters12@adelphia.net> > Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com > [172.31.36.97]) by > air-za05.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINZA55-0723164355; Mon, > 23 > Jul 2001 16:43:55 -0400 > Received: from smtprelay1.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.adelphia.net > [64.8.25.6]) > by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA16-0723164335; > > Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:43:35 -0400 > Received: from thomaswa ([24.49.195.8]) by > smtprelay1.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with > SMTP id GGY1HV03.J5H; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:41:55 -0400 > Message-ID: <000b01c113b8$32f03dc0$08c33118@aburny.adelphia.net> > From: "Thomas A. Waters" <twaters12@adelphia.net> > To: "Keith Williamson" <gamule@worldnet.att.net>, > "Thomas R. Waters" <trwaters@sc.rr.com>, > "Mary Waters" <c300@cyberstreet.com>, > "Edwin L. Waters" <EWaters@cfl.rr.com>, > "Dianna Vaughn" <vaughn@gator.net>, > "Thomas Waters, Jr" <taw1129@hotmail.com>, > "SueAnn Sanders" <flgeekgirl@home.com>, > "Clydie Driggers Russell" <clydieruss@aol.com>, > "Ina Mae Sanders" <Jims313@cs.com>, > "Marie Elaina Putrelo" <marie.putrelo@metlife.com>, > "Linda Gail \(Cannon\) McCollum" <LindaMc414@aol.com>, > "Sandra High McLin" <McSandHi@aol.com>, > "Michelle Langley" <mandr96@crosslink.net>, > "Pat Harrison" <Patwheaton@aol.com>, > "Mary F. Hatcher" <maccafan@gator.net>, > "Jo Ann Waters Grissom" <DSG33@aol.com>, > "Ellen \(Adams\) Drake" <Ellen@TheDrakes.com>, > "Belinda Faye Carroll" <bfc2345@aol.com>, > "Michelle Barrera" <chelle@desoto.net> > Subject: Fw: ROGERS-D Digest V01 #225 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:43:53 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C11396.A8976200" > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200

In a message dated 7/24/01 6:51:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mundenal@home.com writes: > Hi Jo, > My theory about Maranda is that she is the daughter of Phillip > Luper (Lupo) found in the 1850 census. I don't know why she would have been > listed with that family unless she was visiting and there was a slip up by > the census taker. She's listed as Caroline and is the right age (more or > less) to be the one married to James Price. Al, I'm starting to think there are 2 Carolines. Caroline Luper who is obviously with Philip Luper's family in the 1850 census and the Caroline who is actually married to James Price in the 1850 census. They are the same age, but if they were the same person, why would they show her in Philip's family when she's obviously been married for over 5 years to James Price. She has 3 children ages 5, 4, 1 in the 1850 census. I think they must be 2 separate Carolines. Cathy

Dear List, Does anyone know the name of Hazel Rogers Floyd's husband? Thanks in advance! Peggy Price PS. Thanks for the obit Helen! MARION (--) Graveside services for Hazel Floyd, 68, will be held at 11 a.m. today in Rose Hill Cemetery. Richardson Funeral Home is in charge. Memorials may be made to McMillan Memorial Baptist, 1446 Old Corner Road, Marion, SC 29571. Mrs. Floyd died July 22, 2001 in St. Eugene Hospital after an illness. Born in Nichols, she was a daughter of the late Luther Denny and Annie Marie Capel Rogers. She was a member of McMillan Memorial Baptist Church. Surviving are sisters, Margaret McKoy, Falls Church, Va., Virginia Elvington, Phenix City, Ala., Lucille Borland, Pickins, Ark. and Dorothy Butler, Darlington; brother, Clyde Rogers, Marion.

Francine: Thank you for helping to describe my addiction and need to understand the old-timers. Sometimes I think they are closer friends than the people I associate with. I saw a quote on a genealogy site in the UK the other day that stuck in my head: "Pray, please. And draw near. For I have a story to tell." I'm forwarding your story to my husband in hopes that it'll help him understand my need! Thanks again, Terri Brigman England --- Francine <granij@home.com> wrote: > > I know better than to send this to the list, but I > am doing it anyway for I > think this little story will help each of us to > understand why we feel the > need to research our families. > > Francine > > > > > The Story Tellers..... > > > > We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each > family there is one who > > seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh > on their bones and > > make > > them live again, to tell the family story and to > feel that somehow they > > know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not > a cold gathering of > > facts but, instead, breathing life into all who > have gone before. We > > are > > the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have > one. We have been > > called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have > gone before cry out to > > us: > > Tell our story. So, we do. > > > > In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How > many graves have I > > stood > > before now and cried? I have lost count. How > many times have I told the > > ancestors you have a wonderful family and you > would be proud of us? How > > many > > times have I walked up to a grave and felt > somehow there was love there > > for me? I cannot say. > > > > It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes > to who am I and why do I > > do the things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery > about to be lost > > forever > > to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let > this happen. The bones > > here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. > It goes to doing > > something > > about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors > were able to > > accomplish. > > How they contributed to what we are today. It > goes > > to respecting their hardships and losses, their > never giving in or > > giving > > up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life > for their family. > > > > It goes to deep pride that they fought to make > and keep us a Nation. It > > goes to a deep and immense understanding that > they were doing it for > > us. > > That we might be born who we are. That we might > remember them. So we > > do. > > > > With love and caring and scribing each fact of > their existence, because > > we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe > called, I tell the story > > of > > my family. It is up to that one called in the > next generation to answer > > the call and take their place in the long line > of family storytellers. > > > > That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that > is what calls those > > young and old to step up and put flesh on the > bones. > > > > ( Unknown Author ) > > > > > > > > > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 > Transitional//EN"> > > <HEAD> > > <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; > charset=iso-8859-1"> > > <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" > name=GENERATOR> > > <STYLE></STYLE> > > </HEAD> > > > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV> > > </DIV> > > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > > <DIV>I hope you all enjoy this as much as I > > did.</DIV> > > <DIV>Tom</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > > <DIV> > > The Story Tellers..... > > > > We are the chosen. My feelings are that > > in each family there is one who > > seems called to find the ancestors. To put > > flesh on their bones and make > > them live again, to tell the family story and > > to feel that somehow they > > know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a > > cold gathering of > > facts but, instead, breathing life into all who > have gone > > before. We are > > the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have > one. We have > > been > > called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have > gone before cry out > > to us: > > Tell our story. So, we do. > > > > In finding them, we somehow find > > ourselves. How many graves have I stood > > before now and cried? I have lost > > count. How many times have I told the > > ancestors you have a wonderful family > > and you would be proud of us? How many > > times have I walked up to a grave > > and felt somehow there was love there > > for me? I cannot say. > > > > It goes > > beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am > I and why do I > > do the > > things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about > to be lost forever > > to weeds > > and indifference and saying I can't let this > happen. The bones > > here are > > bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes > to doing something > > about > > it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were > able to accomplish. > > How > > they contributed to what we are today. It goes > > to respecting their > > hardships and losses, their never giving in or > giving > > up, their > > resoluteness to go on and build a life for their > family. > > > > It goes to > > deep pride that they fought to make and keep us > a Nation. It > > goes to a deep > > and immense understanding that they were doing > it for us. > > That we might be > > born who we are. That we might remember them. So > we do. > > > > With love and > > caring and scribing each fact of their > existence, because > > we are them and > > they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the > story of > > my family. It is > > up to that one called in the next generation to > answer > > the call and take > > their place in the long line of family > storytellers. > > > > That, is why I do > > my family genealogy, and that is what calls > those > > young and old to step up > > and put flesh on the bones. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > > <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV>( Unknown Author ) > > > > > > </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> > > </XMP> > > > > ----------------------- Headers > -------------------------------- > > Return-Path: <twaters12@adelphia.net> > > Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com > (rly-za01.mail.aol.com > > [172.31.36.97]) by > > air-za05.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id > MAILINZA55-0723164355; Mon, > > 23 > > Jul 2001 16:43:55 -0400 > > Received: from smtprelay1.adelphia.net > (smtprelay1.adelphia.net > > [64.8.25.6]) > > by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINZA16-0723164335; > > > > Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:43:35 -0400 > > Received: from thomaswa ([24.49.195.8]) by > > smtprelay1.adelphia.net (Netscape > Messaging Server 4.15) with > > SMTP id GGY1HV03.J5H; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 > 16:41:55 -0400 > > Message-ID: > <000b01c113b8$32f03dc0$08c33118@aburny.adelphia.net> > > From: "Thomas A. Waters" <twaters12@adelphia.net> > > To: "Keith Williamson" <gamule@worldnet.att.net>, > > "Thomas R. Waters" <trwaters@sc.rr.com>, > > "Mary Waters" <c300@cyberstreet.com>, > > "Edwin L. Waters" <EWaters@cfl.rr.com>, > > "Dianna Vaughn" <vaughn@gator.net>, > > "Thomas Waters, Jr" <taw1129@hotmail.com>, > > "SueAnn Sanders" <flgeekgirl@home.com>, > > "Clydie Driggers Russell" > <clydieruss@aol.com>, > > "Ina Mae Sanders" <Jims313@cs.com>, > > "Marie Elaina Putrelo" > <marie.putrelo@metlife.com>, > > "Linda Gail \(Cannon\) McCollum" > <LindaMc414@aol.com>, > > "Sandra High McLin" <McSandHi@aol.com>, > > "Michelle Langley" > <mandr96@crosslink.net>, > > "Pat Harrison" <Patwheaton@aol.com>, > > "Mary F. 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Winkie, thanks for transcribing the Sanders will. Can you tell me where the original is? And -- who were the parents of Moses Sanders? THANKS... Jo Hutcheson

Hi Jo, My theory about Maranda is that she is the daughter of Phillip Luper (Lupo) found in the 1850 census. I don't know why she would have been listed with that family unless she was visiting and there was a slip up by the census taker. She's listed as Caroline and is the right age (more or less) to be the one married to James Price. I suspect he is a brother of Laban and migrated to SC about the same time. It's hard to be sure of anything but we do like to theorize with no solid evidence available. I think Phillip Lupo is in Lou Pero's genealogy listing birth 1800 which agrees with Phillip Luper in 1805 (age 50). There were 9 children listed from 28-3, the younger ones may be grandchildren ?? What do you think ??????? Al Munden (Price/Spivey connections in Marion/Robeson area) ----- Original Message ----- From: <JoChurchD@aol.com> To: <SCMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [SCMARION-L] Re: SCMARION-D Digest V01 #61 > << Also, the second child of Edmund and Delilah Price was Mary and she m > about 1815 to John G. Lupo (1797-1896) so Labon Lupo. Labon Lupo migrated > into SC from Robeson Co, NC with children William, John G., and Maranda > Caroline. Maranda Caroline Lupo m James S. Price. >> > > > I am somewhat confused. > > Would love to know where this information originated, especially the part > about these three being children of Laban Lupo. (I presume Laban Senior is > meant in the quote, as Lupo researchers state that Laban Lupo Junior moved > out of the area.) > > I have heard someone else state that Laban Lupo (Senior) came to Marion > District, but I have never found any record of him here. If someone has, it > would be very nice to have the citation posted to the list. > > It's my understanding that this statement was based largely on some distant > descendant of Laban Lupo Junior saying their grandpappy was born in South > Carolina, and from that someone presumed Marion District. But some of those > Robeson Lupos have been found in Richland or Lexington County, SC, along with > some of the Prices, as I have been told by long time Lupo researchers whose > work I respect. > > Anyone interested can find much, much more about the Lupo family on Matt > Lupo's website: http://www.lupo.org/ > > Also, to my knowledge, it has never been proven that Maranda Caroline, wife > of James S. Price, was in fact a Lupo. All I've ever heard was a guess > (albeit an intelligent one). Has proof been found? And now we have proof of > her father? Given Maranda Caroline Price's age of 24 in the 1850 census, and > the likelihood that Laban Lupo Senior apparently died before the 1810 census, > that seems highly unlikely to me. > > As for William Lupo, if the William Lupo who was born about 1780-1790 in > Virginia, came to Marion/Dillon from Robeson with his first wife about 1810, > and died here in 1848 is being referred to - I'm sorry I just don't get it. > Laban is certainly a possibility for the father of this William, but how do > we know he wasn't a younger brother of Laban? or nephew or cousin? If some > other William Lupo is meant, then he must have gone west or died young, for > there is no record of any William Lupo in Marion District other than the one > who came here about 1810, and from whom most, if not all, of the Dillon > County Lupos descend. > > William Lupo of Marion District was born about 1780-1790 per census records. > I'm afraid I don't have a clue as to identity of John G. Lupo, who is quoted > as being born in 1797. Maranda Caroline, wife of James S. Price, was born > about 1826 per census records. How does it follow that those three, born > some 40 or so years apart, were all children of Laban Lupo? who was last seen > in the 1800 Robeson census, and whose apparent widow, Beggy Lupo, was listed > in her own household in Robeson in 1810? By 1820 there were no Lupos found > in the Robeson census. > > If I were satisfied that Maranda Caroline Price was born a Lupo; and if I > were inclined to guess at her father, I would immediately light on William > Lupo. William had young females in his household in early census records > whose ages fit not only Maranda Caroline, but also the ages of Naomi, wife of > William Ford, and Polly, wife of Nelson Ford. (William Lupo had two wives and > numerous children.) Plus, William Lupo was the only Lupo found in the records > in what became Dillon County. Plus, the lands of William Lupo were between > present day Lake View and Nichols, on or near lower Ashpole Swamp, and not > far from the Price lands on lower Ashpole, as well as the later lands of > William and Nelson Ford, and James S. Price. > > Jo Church Dickerson > > > ==== SCMARION Mailing List ==== > Marion County Listmember sites: > 1. Marty Grant http://www.martygrant.com > 2. Herbert Turner CHRISTMAS Home Page - http://members.aol.com/herbnet/christmas/webintro.html > 3. Debbie Kerner - Clan Carmichael USA http://home.triad.rr.com/clancarmichael > >

The State (Columbia): Tuesday, July 24, 2001 Hazel Floyd MARION (--) Graveside services for Hazel Floyd, 68, will be held at 11 a.m. today in Rose Hill Cemetery. Richardson Funeral Home is in charge. Memorials may be made to McMillan Memorial Baptist, 1446 Old Corner Road, Marion, SC 29571. Mrs. Floyd died July 22, 2001 in St. Eugene Hospital after an illness. Born in Nichols, she was a daughter of the late Luther Denny and Annie Marie Capel Rogers. She was a member of McMillan Memorial Baptist Church. Surviving are sisters, Margaret McKoy, Falls Church, Va., Virginia Elvington, Phenix City, Ala., Lucille Borland, Pickins, Ark. and Dorothy Butler, Darlington; brother, Clyde Rogers, Marion.

<< Also, the second child of Edmund and Delilah Price was Mary and she m about 1815 to John G. Lupo (1797-1896) so Labon Lupo. Labon Lupo migrated into SC from Robeson Co, NC with children William, John G., and Maranda Caroline. Maranda Caroline Lupo m James S. Price. >> I am somewhat confused. Would love to know where this information originated, especially the part about these three being children of Laban Lupo. (I presume Laban Senior is meant in the quote, as Lupo researchers state that Laban Lupo Junior moved out of the area.) I have heard someone else state that Laban Lupo (Senior) came to Marion District, but I have never found any record of him here. If someone has, it would be very nice to have the citation posted to the list. It's my understanding that this statement was based largely on some distant descendant of Laban Lupo Junior saying their grandpappy was born in South Carolina, and from that someone presumed Marion District. But some of those Robeson Lupos have been found in Richland or Lexington County, SC, along with some of the Prices, as I have been told by long time Lupo researchers whose work I respect. Anyone interested can find much, much more about the Lupo family on Matt Lupo's website: http://www.lupo.org/ Also, to my knowledge, it has never been proven that Maranda Caroline, wife of James S. Price, was in fact a Lupo. All I've ever heard was a guess (albeit an intelligent one). Has proof been found? And now we have proof of her father? Given Maranda Caroline Price's age of 24 in the 1850 census, and the likelihood that Laban Lupo Senior apparently died before the 1810 census, that seems highly unlikely to me. As for William Lupo, if the William Lupo who was born about 1780-1790 in Virginia, came to Marion/Dillon from Robeson with his first wife about 1810, and died here in 1848 is being referred to - I'm sorry I just don't get it. Laban is certainly a possibility for the father of this William, but how do we know he wasn't a younger brother of Laban? or nephew or cousin? If some other William Lupo is meant, then he must have gone west or died young, for there is no record of any William Lupo in Marion District other than the one who came here about 1810, and from whom most, if not all, of the Dillon County Lupos descend. William Lupo of Marion District was born about 1780-1790 per census records. I'm afraid I don't have a clue as to identity of John G. Lupo, who is quoted as being born in 1797. Maranda Caroline, wife of James S. Price, was born about 1826 per census records. How does it follow that those three, born some 40 or so years apart, were all children of Laban Lupo? who was last seen in the 1800 Robeson census, and whose apparent widow, Beggy Lupo, was listed in her own household in Robeson in 1810? By 1820 there were no Lupos found in the Robeson census. If I were satisfied that Maranda Caroline Price was born a Lupo; and if I were inclined to guess at her father, I would immediately light on William Lupo. William had young females in his household in early census records whose ages fit not only Maranda Caroline, but also the ages of Naomi, wife of William Ford, and Polly, wife of Nelson Ford. (William Lupo had two wives and numerous children.) Plus, William Lupo was the only Lupo found in the records in what became Dillon County. Plus, the lands of William Lupo were between present day Lake View and Nichols, on or near lower Ashpole Swamp, and not far from the Price lands on lower Ashpole, as well as the later lands of William and Nelson Ford, and James S. Price. Jo Church Dickerson

In a message dated 7/23/01 7:10:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Treesfor2@aol.com writes: > I have the Will but you have everything I have on Edmund... He is just > mention because of his wife... > > > O.k. thanks. Are you going to post the Will on the Marion Co. site? Cathy

I have the Will but you have everything I have on Edmund... He is just mention because of his wife...

In a message dated 7/22/01 8:46:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Treesfor2@aol.com writes: > The Will of William Turbeville > > > I don't see the Will for William Turbeville on the Marion Co. SC site. Do > you know where I can find it? Do you have the tree for Edmond Price that > shows his parents?

The Will of William Turbeville

Dear List, Enjoy. I have transcribed this deed to the best of my ability, although it's possible someone else may interpret it a little differently. Always refer to the original for the final authority. Brackets "[ ]" will enclose words which are unclear or indecipherable. Victoria feel free to post it to the Marion site. Winkie CRAWFORD R p. 388 Elizabeth Sanders} State of South Carolina to } Know all men by these presents Mofes Sanders } that Elizabeth Sanders Widow of John Sanders [Sr?] of Marion District decd [deceased] in the State aforesaid In Consideration of the Natural love and affection Which I have and do bare unto my Grand Son Mofes Sanders in the State aforesaid have granted bargained Sold and [Released?] and by these presents do grant Bargain Sell & Release unto the Said Mofes Sanders all that tract or parcel of Land Containing fifteen acres which p.389 which [word "which" is repeated] formerly belonged to the Estate of [Thomas] Sanders Situated in Said District on the NE Side of Pigeon bay bounded by lands belonging to Solomon Blackmon & John Sanders & John Mace joining the road being part of a tract of land Granted to John Sanders the 30th Dec 1789--which land was sold by the Sheriff of Marion District to the Said Elizaabeth Sanders by deed bearing date the 5th day of March in the year of our Lord [1832?]----(which Said land I Give to my Said Grand Son Mofes Sanders and if he dies without lawful ifsue to the children or grand children of my body after the Death of Sd Mofses who may be Surviving. Together with all and Singular the rights [mem bers] [_____ateta] aments and appurtenances to the Said Premises belonging or in any wise [incident] or appertaining: To have and to hold all and Singular the Premises before mentioned unto the Said Mofes Sanders, Heirs and afsigns forever And I do hereby bind myselfe my Heirs Executors and administrators warrant and forever defend all and Singular the Said unto Said Mofes Sanders his heirs and afsigns against myself and my heirs and against all others lawfully claiming to claim the [Same] or any part thereof. Witnefs my hand and Seal this Nineteenth day of December in the Year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two and in the 57th year of The independence of the United States of America. Signed Sealed and delivered in the Presence of her B Moody } Elizabeth Sanders {Seal} [Felicas] Sanders } mark Recorded 9th July 1833

GALIVANTS FERRY David Strickland David Strickland, 53, died Saturday, July 21, 2001. He was born in Lumberton, N.C., a son of the late Leo and Eula Mae Ivey Strickland. He was a member of Cedar Creek Baptist Church and Woodmen of the World. Survivors include his wife, Pat Strickland; a daughter, Emily Strickland; and a sister, Jaxie Huggins of Marion. Visitation will be from 7 to 9 tonight at Meares Funeral Home in Mullins. The funeral will be at 2 p.m. Tuesday at the chapel of the funeral home. Burial will be in Rehobeth United Methodist Church Cemetery. Pallbearers will be employees of Eagle Transport Co. Memorials may be made to the American Heart Association, 181 E. Evans St., Florence, SC 29506-5502.

In a message dated 7/22/01 7:58:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Treesfor2@aol.com writes: > I have Edmund > > Dan (treesfor2@aol.com) > > Edmund PRICE. He married (1) Elizabeth TURBEVILLE, b. 1800, Marion County, > South Carolina, (daughter of William TURBEVILLE and Mary JOHNSON). He > married > (2) Elizabeth Ann MOODY, 16 Feb 1855, in Marion County, South Carolina, > (daughter of Tapley MOODY). > > > Can you tell me where you found this information? Cathy