Don't know if this is much help, but I have a William King, b. 1780 in Sampson County NC. married Arthesha Stevens b. 1782. Children: Anna Mariah King b. 1805. d. 1876, married Oct. 11, 1821 to John Lavender Clifton, fromSampson County, N. Carolina (Giddensville.) b. May 14, 1797. Children: Henry James Clifton b. Dec. 15, 1831 in Darlington NC. Marion Webster Clifton b. Nov. 07, 1844 John Oliver Perry Clifton b. 1827 sorry thats all I have on the kings in NC/SC. Jim Krouse PS Let me know if you find out, more about these King's.

In a message dated 8/24/01 5:39:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jandbstewart@cetlink.net writes: > Al, > > The son of Ebenezer and Celia married Martha Campbell. The R. R. Rogers is > Robert R. My grandfather, Emerson Pentleton was John Kemp's brother. Whose > child was Myrtle Price? I have a Price connection. > > Betty Jo Stewart > > > Betty Jo And Al, The daughter of Ebenezer and Celia (Indiana) was my great grandmother! Indiana married William Riley Butler Sr. We need to put our heads together and compare information :-) Jane

MARION David F. Nobles David Frank "Frankie" Nobles, 33, died Thursday, Aug. 23, 2001, at home after an illness. He was a cashier at a convenience store. He was also a veteran of the Navy. Survivors include his mother, Marilyn Best Ammons; a stepfather, Gene Ammons; two sisters, Tina Gropp and Sandy Nobles, both of Marion; three stepsisters, Shannon Querbin and Stacey Ammons, both of Marion, and Stephanie Ammons of Blenheim; five nieces; and three nephews. He was predeceased by his grandparents, George and Pearl Best. Visitation will be from 6 to 8 tonight at Richardson Funeral Home in Marion. The funeral will be at 11 a.m. Saturday at the chapel of the funeral home. Burial will be in Little Bethel Cemetery

Aug 22, 2001 Powell H. Reaves FLORENCE -- Powell H. Reaves, 77, died Wednesday, Aug. 22, 2001, in a Florence hospital after an illness. Funeral services will be 2 p.m. Friday, Aug. 24 in Northgate Baptist Church, directed by Waters-Powell Funeral Home. Entombment will follow in Florence Memorial Gardens Mausoleum. The family will receive friends from 7 to 9 pm. today at the funeral home. He was born in Dillon, a son of the late Herbert Gibson and Eula Powell Reaves. He was a U.S. Navy veteran of World War II, having served in the Pacific Theatre. He was retired after 43 years as chief engineer with American Bakeries. He was a member of Northgate Baptist Church and the Coed III Sunday School class. He coached the Thrift Way team in the Dixie Youth baseball league at Royall School for 25 years. Survivors include his wife, Mary Harrell Reaves of Florence; two sons, Thomas Steve (Donna) Reaves and Ronald Powell (Marilyn) Reaves, all of Florence; two stepdaughters, Sharon (Bruce) Burner and Cindy (Scott) Blalock, all of Florence; a stepson, Donald G. (Becky) Hood Jr. of Florence; two brothers, Earl G. Reaves of Florence and Bill Reaves of Sumter; and 11 grandchildren.

The State (Columbia): Friday, August 24, 2001 Elizabeth Stanley MARION -- Graveside services for Elizabeth Owens Stanley, 87, will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, August 25, 2001 in Rose Hill Cemetery with Dr. Joseph Walker officiating. Visitation will be from 7-9 this evening at Smith-Collins Funeral Home. Memorials may be made to Marion Presbyterian Church, P.O. Box 186, Marion, SC 29571. Mrs. Stanley, widow of Haywood Amon Stanley, died Wednesday, August 22, 2001 in McLeod Regional Medical Center after an illness. Born in Marion County, October 26, 1913, she was a daughter of the late Douglas Lamar Owens and the late Lillian Miles Owens. Mrs. Stanley was a homemaker. She was a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution and the Azalea Garden Club. Mrs. Stanley and her husband were very much involved in the restoration of the Marion Opera House and the Marion County Museum. Mrs. Stanley was a member of Marion Presbyterian Church and had been a member of the former Ladies Bible Class. She was also the Presbyterian Women's Morning Circle Bible Leader of the Marion Presbyterian Church for many years. Surviving are sisters, Sophia Owens Neale of Keysville, Va., Henrietta Owens "T-Net" Paige of Benson, N.C. and several nieces and nephews. Mrs. Stanley was predeceased by sisters, Douglas Owens Cousins, Billie Owens Davis, Sarah Owens and "LaLa" Owens Hubbard and brothers, D.F. Owens and Lamar "Hop" Owens.

Al, The son of Ebenezer and Celia married Martha Campbell. The R. R. Rogers is Robert R. My grandfather, Emerson Pentleton was John Kemp's brother. Whose child was Myrtle Price? I have a Price connection. Betty Jo Stewart

Beautifully written, Victoria. That is one of the best descriptions I have ever seen. Betty Jo Stewart

I have some second hand experience with this in North Carolina. A family friend moved to Onslow County, NC a couple of years ago, and they discovered a single marked grave on their property, and it was located in the section where they wanted to build their house. The person's who's grave it was died in 1805 (or thereabouts, I forget the exact date now), and they asked me if I could help them identify the person, since they knew I was a family genealogist. It just so happened that the person was a distant relative of mine, but he died unmarried, so no living heirs to contact. They had to go through all the hoops Victoria mentioned with the county, and finally they got approval, and the Funeral Home people came and excavated the grave, and moved it to another location on the same property. Now, this part might be disturbing to some, so don't read further if you get queasy easily when talking about "the dead". You were warned. Okay, when they attempted to exhume the body, they found nothing at all remaining, no trace at all of casket or remains. So basically they moved a bunch of dirt, and a tombstone, but by doing so satisfied all state and local laws, and as far as I know, no relatives even exist to be upset about it. As a very distant relative myself, I was not bothered by my cousin being moved, since it all seemed to be done with genuine care. Marty Grant (Marvin Grant Jr) e-mail: public@martygrant.com AIM: MartyGrantNC web: http://www.martygrant.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria" <vproc@ix.netcom.com> To: <SCMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: [SCMARION-L] SC Statutes on Cemeteries > Hi y'all, > > With regard to your questions about cemetery law in SC, I'm not > an attorney and I certainly don't have all the answers, but since > there have been several questions on the subject, I'll do my best to > tell you what I've found after rummaging through all the sources I could > find. > > South Carolina does have laws regarding abandoned cemeteries, > grave removals, and destruction/vandalism of cemeteries, and these > laws are similar to the protective legislation that North Carolina has. > However, it seems to me there is one major difference in the "cemetery > statutes" of what I would call a "practical" nature, to wit: > > 1) NC requires that county commissioners keep a list of abandoned > cemeteries (identified through the state-authorized North Carolina > Cemetery Survey) on file with the register of deeds. > [As far as I know, there's not been a cemetery survey of this nature > in South Carolina, with results on file with the county, let alone the > state. I would love to hear that my information is incomplete. As > for the "on file" portion, Jo tells me that at least some cemeteries > in Dillon County are identified on a tax map in the county courthouse. > Whether or not this is required and/or offers protection to the > cemeteries is not known to me at this point.] > > GRAVE REMOVALS: > In both states, persons who own land on which an abandoned cemetery > is located can remove the graves to a suitable plot in another cemetery or > other "suitable" location provided a) the city or county approves, b) 30 days > notice is given to the relatives of those buried in the cemetery, if known, and > if not known, 30 days' notice must be published in the newspaper which > circulates for the county (or on the courthouse door if there is no newspaper). > > Expenses for most everything involved in moving abandoned graves > is born by the person seeking to remove the cemetery, including hiring a > funeral director to supervise the removal of the graves. [Think about it; who can > afford something like this? Most graves will "stay put" Is there a law > against building on top of graves? One feels intuitively that there ought > to be a law against a "Poltergeist" situation, yet I have not found it yet] > > A cemetery in SC is defined as "abandoned" if the land in which it is located > was sold "without reservation for the cemetery". > > Again, I'm not an attorney, and the above is only my understanding of the > SC State Code I've found available online at: > http://www.lpitr.state.sc.us/code/t27c043.htm > and elsewhere on the South Carolina State House site. > > DESECRATION OR DESTRUCTION OF GRAVES: > Concerning the more common problem of vandalism, SC State Code, > Title 16, Section 17-600 - Destruction or desecration of human remains > or repositories thereof; liability of crematory operators; penalties. > says: > > "SECTION 16-17-600. > (A) It is unlawful for a person wilfully and knowingly, and without proper > legal authority to: > (1) destroy or damage the remains of a deceased human being; > (2) remove a portion of the remains of a deceased human being from a > burial ground where human skeletal remains are buried, a grave, crypt, > vault, mausoleum, or other repository; or > (3) desecrate human remains. > A person violating the provisions of subsection (A) is guilty of a felony and, > upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned > not less than one year nor more than ten years, or both. > > <<snip -- paragraph concerning crematory operators>> > > (B) It is unlawful for a person wilfully and knowingly, and without proper > legal authority to: > (1) obliterate, vandalize, or desecrate a burial ground where human skeletal > remains are buried, a grave, graveyard, tomb, mausoleum, or other repository > of human remains; > (2) deface, vandalize, injure, or remove a gravestone or other memorial > monument or marker commemorating a deceased person or group of persons, > whether located within or outside of a recognized cemetery, memorial park, or > battlefield; or > (3) obliterate, vandalize, or desecrate a park or other area clearly designated to > preserve and perpetuate the memory of a deceased person or group of persons. > > A person violating the provisions of subsection (B) is guilty of a felony and, upon > conviction, must be imprisoned not more than ten years or fined not more than > five thousand dollars, or both. > (C) It is unlawful for a person wilfully, knowingly, and without proper legal authority > to destroy, tear down, or injure only fencing, plants, trees, shrubs, or flowers located > upon or around a repository for human remains, or within a human graveyard or > memorial park. > A person violating the provisions of subsection (C) is guilty of a felony and, > upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or > imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Injury or loss of property less > than two hundred dollars is a misdemeanor triable in magistrate's court. > Upon conviction, the person must be fined, imprisoned, or both, not more than > is permitted by law, without presentment or indictment by the grand jury, and > further must be required to perform up to five hundred hours of community service > in an amount to be determined by the court." > > Please note that the above is quoted directly from the SC State House > web site and is current through the end of last year only. Again, I am not an > attorney and I do not have access to the most current, printed version > of South Carolina state law. If you are a South Carolina resident, > you should contact your state or county representative to get current and > official information on the subject of state laws pertaining to cemeteries. > > Victoria > > > ==== SCMARION Mailing List ==== > Marion County SCGenWeb site: > http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1786/marion.html >

Sure Mildred, here's that portion, if somewhat roughly extracted: We need to do something to preserve our history where it's records exist, be it a headstone, a deed, a Will, or a favorite family story. At the very least, each of us, as genealogists and historians, should take the time to record, as exactly and precisely as possible, with whatever tools exist (the pen, the camera), the physical records of our ancestors' lives. What is here today may well be gone tomorrow, through accident, through human intervention, and certainly through the ravages of nature. We can all work together to make things better, make folks aware of the value of history, make laws tougher, and we should. Yet let's not forget to make a record of what is there, and do it well enough that someone a hundred years from now will see, truly see, exactly what it is we are looking at--from the color of the paper a document is written on with it's small tear in the corner, to the beautiful engraving of angels on a tombstone with the verse so lovingly placed by a devoted husband or wife or children. Our one small voice may be the last to record what disappears tomorrow. Victoria At 10:16 PM 8/23/01 -0500, you wrote: >Victoria, > >|Could you please resend that gem you wrote earlier that explains so >beautifully why it is our duty as historians and genealogists to preserve >these cemeteries and all the records we so dutifully collect?

HbMoody, Is there a William Palmer listed in the 1820 census. Thank you for your help. rreese9999@aol.com

Thank you Victoria. Helen

Helen, The latest information I have is from May 2001: Open Monday through Thursday from Noon to 5 PM Victoria At 10:08 PM 8/23/01 -0400, you wrote: >Can someone tell me the days and hours the museum in Marion is open.

Victoria, |Could you please resend that gem you wrote earlier that explains so beautifully why it is our duty as historians and genealogists to preserve these cemeteries and all the records we so dutifully collect? It was beautifully written, and I want to send it to a nephew who has an old abandoned cemetery on his land outside Nashville, TN. Mildred (emvee@kingwoodcable.com)

Can someone tell me the days and hours the museum in Marion is open. Thanks, Helen

Hi y'all, With regard to your questions about cemetery law in SC, I'm not an attorney and I certainly don't have all the answers, but since there have been several questions on the subject, I'll do my best to tell you what I've found after rummaging through all the sources I could find. South Carolina does have laws regarding abandoned cemeteries, grave removals, and destruction/vandalism of cemeteries, and these laws are similar to the protective legislation that North Carolina has. However, it seems to me there is one major difference in the "cemetery statutes" of what I would call a "practical" nature, to wit: 1) NC requires that county commissioners keep a list of abandoned cemeteries (identified through the state-authorized North Carolina Cemetery Survey) on file with the register of deeds. [As far as I know, there's not been a cemetery survey of this nature in South Carolina, with results on file with the county, let alone the state. I would love to hear that my information is incomplete. As for the "on file" portion, Jo tells me that at least some cemeteries in Dillon County are identified on a tax map in the county courthouse. Whether or not this is required and/or offers protection to the cemeteries is not known to me at this point.] GRAVE REMOVALS: In both states, persons who own land on which an abandoned cemetery is located can remove the graves to a suitable plot in another cemetery or other "suitable" location provided a) the city or county approves, b) 30 days notice is given to the relatives of those buried in the cemetery, if known, and if not known, 30 days' notice must be published in the newspaper which circulates for the county (or on the courthouse door if there is no newspaper). Expenses for most everything involved in moving abandoned graves is born by the person seeking to remove the cemetery, including hiring a funeral director to supervise the removal of the graves. [Think about it; who can afford something like this? Most graves will "stay put" Is there a law against building on top of graves? One feels intuitively that there ought to be a law against a "Poltergeist" situation, yet I have not found it yet] A cemetery in SC is defined as "abandoned" if the land in which it is located was sold "without reservation for the cemetery". Again, I'm not an attorney, and the above is only my understanding of the SC State Code I've found available online at: http://www.lpitr.state.sc.us/code/t27c043.htm and elsewhere on the South Carolina State House site. DESECRATION OR DESTRUCTION OF GRAVES: Concerning the more common problem of vandalism, SC State Code, Title 16, Section 17-600 - Destruction or desecration of human remains or repositories thereof; liability of crematory operators; penalties. says: "SECTION 16-17-600. (A) It is unlawful for a person wilfully and knowingly, and without proper legal authority to: (1) destroy or damage the remains of a deceased human being; (2) remove a portion of the remains of a deceased human being from a burial ground where human skeletal remains are buried, a grave, crypt, vault, mausoleum, or other repository; or (3) desecrate human remains. A person violating the provisions of subsection (A) is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned not less than one year nor more than ten years, or both. <<snip -- paragraph concerning crematory operators>> (B) It is unlawful for a person wilfully and knowingly, and without proper legal authority to: (1) obliterate, vandalize, or desecrate a burial ground where human skeletal remains are buried, a grave, graveyard, tomb, mausoleum, or other repository of human remains; (2) deface, vandalize, injure, or remove a gravestone or other memorial monument or marker commemorating a deceased person or group of persons, whether located within or outside of a recognized cemetery, memorial park, or battlefield; or (3) obliterate, vandalize, or desecrate a park or other area clearly designated to preserve and perpetuate the memory of a deceased person or group of persons. A person violating the provisions of subsection (B) is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be imprisoned not more than ten years or fined not more than five thousand dollars, or both. (C) It is unlawful for a person wilfully, knowingly, and without proper legal authority to destroy, tear down, or injure only fencing, plants, trees, shrubs, or flowers located upon or around a repository for human remains, or within a human graveyard or memorial park. A person violating the provisions of subsection (C) is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Injury or loss of property less than two hundred dollars is a misdemeanor triable in magistrate's court. Upon conviction, the person must be fined, imprisoned, or both, not more than is permitted by law, without presentment or indictment by the grand jury, and further must be required to perform up to five hundred hours of community service in an amount to be determined by the court." Please note that the above is quoted directly from the SC State House web site and is current through the end of last year only. Again, I am not an attorney and I do not have access to the most current, printed version of South Carolina state law. If you are a South Carolina resident, you should contact your state or county representative to get current and official information on the subject of state laws pertaining to cemeteries. Victoria

For those of you who missed the update, it appears that the realty company responsible for the lot sales has no intention of selling the lot which contains the headstones for this small cemetery. From what Jo Church Dickerson reported after her visit to the area and telephone call to the realty company: 1) the lot which gives every appearance of being available for purchase, same as all the rest, will be not be sold 2) neighbors are concerned about preserving the old cemetery I don't know what this will mean in practical terms with regard to preserving the graves and headstones in this cemetery, but it would appear that there are no plans to remove the graves or destroy the headstones at this time. In realistic terms, our population growth and concomitant mortality rate are outstripping the capacity of established burying grounds. Eventually we may find that our society adjusts its views on burial practices, but for now, I couldn't agree with you more: we need to do something to preserve our history where it's records exist, be it a headstone, a deed, a Will, or a favorite family story. At the very least, each of us, as genealogists and historians, should take the time to record, as exactly and precisely as possible, with whatever tools exist (the pen, the camera), the physical records of our ancestors' lives. What is here today may well be gone tomorrow, through accident, through human intervention, and certainly through the ravages of nature. We can all work together to make things better, make folks aware of the value of history, make laws tougher, and we should. Yet let's not forget to make a record of what is there, and do it well enough that someone a hundred years from now will see, truly see, exactly what it is we are looking at--from the color of the paper a document is written on with it's small tear in the corner, to the beautiful engraving of angels on a tombstone with the verse so lovingly placed by a devoted husband or wife or children. Our one small voice may be the last to record what disappears tomorrow. Victoria

I have been looking at the Rogers line and have come accross 2 John Dew Rogers listed as s/o Dew and Mary and s/o Ebenezer and Celia. It looks like there are two but I'm not sure which one goes with Martha Campbell . Also there is an R R Rogers on the list at Fork Cemetary, can anyone tell me what R R stands for ??? My Grandmothers cousin Myrtle Price married John Kemp Rogers, s/o John Dew Rogers and Martha Campbell . That's my connection to the Rogers. Al Munden , Va Beach

Hey,,did i send that to you,,,or the list? if i just sent it to you,,would you forward it to the list?,,,Thanks,,,,,Gerald Baine Jr.,,=)

Lets find out,,who it is,,that's going to open,,a trailer lot there,,,confront them,,and see what there plans are. If they have any ideas,,of destroying the cemetery,,then,,they are under estimating the strength of this website!,,,The last thing,,a trailer lot wants,,,is bad advertising,,,such as half page ads,,blasting them for destroying a cemetery,,and the local history of the area.,,I will be glad,,when SC,,does,,what NC did,about cemeteries. MAKE IT A FELON!!!!,,,,I volunteer for cemetery Patrol!!!!!!!!! Gerald C. Baine Jr. =)

-----Original Message----- From: Lenell Black [mailto:racing_grandma@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:14 PM To: Wesley Tyler Does anyone know what has to happen to move the graves? or stop the destruction? we must not destroy our history Wesley Tyler Subject: Re: Ray Cemetery marked off for lot sales > who can we contact to change the laws? I find it > abhorant that graves can > simply be plowed over without consent. > > Paula > > SCMARION-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > I Two of the cemeteries the ladies surveyed are now > marked off for lot sales (mobile homes) and these > photographs > may be all that exists in the near future. [NOTE > for David Jackson-- > one of these cemeteries is the Hamilton Cemetery. > :( ] > > If you've already looked at these cemeteries > (below), you may want > to check back...Sheila's sent in tombstones > photographs for: > > Alford Cemetery > > the Johnson Cemetery on Stroud Road, Lake View > > Ray Cemetery on JoAnn Branch Rd. > **this small cemetery has been staked for lot sales > and we do > not know what will happen to the tombstones. > Don't know > why USGS assigns this as the Ray cemetery; the > few headstones > in view are for HAYSE (HAYES), ROGERS, and FLOYD. > > > > ==== SCMARION Mailing List ==== > South Carolina newspapers, magazines: > http://www.usnewspaperlinks.com/scnews.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/