From: Dale E. Reddick<mailto:dereddi@hargray.com> To: SCABBEVI-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCABBEVI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Abbeville] Re: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing Hi Folks, I fully agree with Herb. We had a Reddoch and a Redditt in our Reddick / r320 (Soundex) DNA project who were similar at the 12 marker testing level. This fit in with some paper records that seemed to imply that they were the same bunch of folks back in the mid-1700s. The sharing of given names, living places in N.C., and dates in those locales were very similar. Then, their testing was upgraded and what had appeared to be a possible connection simply fell apart. The higher the number number of markers tested (12 > 25 > 37) tested the more significance you can place in the results and the greater reliability can be attributed to the testing. Then there are groupings of folks who cannot be proven to be genealogically kin to one another. Their DNA can be a perfect match, but the records going back several hundred years do not show a connection between their lines having fundamentally different surnames. It seems this is due to ancient settlement patterns, on occasion. There are a large number of folks descended from Scots and Northern Irish lines that share many common features in their DNA testing results. They fit into what is sometimes called the Scots Modal Haplotype (there are alternate names for similarly constructed groupings), which includes individuals within the R1b Haplogroup. Basically, these individuals and their lineages are all so much alike due to the genetic features of an ancient founding population that you end up thinking you're -closely- related to someone with whom your last -shared- paternal common ancestor might have lived 4000 or 5000 years ago. The above mentioned Reddoch family happens to fit into this pattern - they -appear- to be -closely- related to large numbers of individuals with Northern Irish and Scots ancestry. ---------- BTW - I'm still trying to figure out who James and Thomas Reddick were who married 'Joane' and Elizabeth 'Carroll' in 1810. They were married by the Reverend Moses Waddell in Willington, which was then in the old Abbeville District (now in McCormick County). In the 1820 census the families of Annie and Elizabeth 'Redick' were enumerated in the 1820 census with several Carrol families being their neighbors. They were residing in Abbeville District. This Redick / Reddick family of Abbeville District do not appear to be related to me and my Reddick kin. However, they've been mixed in and confused with them on occasion (unfortunately, I have that in print form). I hope that this amplification on Herb's comments provide some aid to someone contemplating DNA testing. Sincerely, Dale E. Reddick Co-Administrator, Reddick / r320 DNA Surname Project ____________________________________________ Herbert Hendricks wrote: >You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little bit more. > >Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any kin. > >In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. > >What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the best. > >If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to the data base you have accumulated. > >In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. > >Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is kin to you. No guarantee. > >I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. > >The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding family are the only route to success. > >God Bless. > >Herb Hendricks >Retired NASA Physicist >Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator >Secretary Hendricks Family Association >Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> >1210 Long Meadow DR >Lynchburg, VA 24502 >434 832 7246 >Major/Smith/Hendricks >http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com>> > To: SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Hardin > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585>> > > Message Board Post: > > I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don’t need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! > your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group. > > > > > ==== SCABBEVI Mailing List ==== This is a stem Of that victorious stock; and let us fear The native mightiness and fate of him.