From: Dale E. Reddick<mailto:dereddi@hargray.com> To: SCABBEVI-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCABBEVI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Abbeville] Re: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing Hi Folks, I fully agree with Herb. We had a Reddoch and a Redditt in our Reddick / r320 (Soundex) DNA project who were similar at the 12 marker testing level. This fit in with some paper records that seemed to imply that they were the same bunch of folks back in the mid-1700s. The sharing of given names, living places in N.C., and dates in those locales were very similar. Then, their testing was upgraded and what had appeared to be a possible connection simply fell apart. The higher the number number of markers tested (12 > 25 > 37) tested the more significance you can place in the results and the greater reliability can be attributed to the testing. Then there are groupings of folks who cannot be proven to be genealogically kin to one another. Their DNA can be a perfect match, but the records going back several hundred years do not show a connection between their lines having fundamentally different surnames. It seems this is due to ancient settlement patterns, on occasion. There are a large number of folks descended from Scots and Northern Irish lines that share many common features in their DNA testing results. They fit into what is sometimes called the Scots Modal Haplotype (there are alternate names for similarly constructed groupings), which includes individuals within the R1b Haplogroup. Basically, these individuals and their lineages are all so much alike due to the genetic features of an ancient founding population that you end up thinking you're -closely- related to someone with whom your last -shared- paternal common ancestor might have lived 4000 or 5000 years ago. The above mentioned Reddoch family happens to fit into this pattern - they -appear- to be -closely- related to large numbers of individuals with Northern Irish and Scots ancestry. ---------- BTW - I'm still trying to figure out who James and Thomas Reddick were who married 'Joane' and Elizabeth 'Carroll' in 1810. They were married by the Reverend Moses Waddell in Willington, which was then in the old Abbeville District (now in McCormick County). In the 1820 census the families of Annie and Elizabeth 'Redick' were enumerated in the 1820 census with several Carrol families being their neighbors. They were residing in Abbeville District. This Redick / Reddick family of Abbeville District do not appear to be related to me and my Reddick kin. However, they've been mixed in and confused with them on occasion (unfortunately, I have that in print form). I hope that this amplification on Herb's comments provide some aid to someone contemplating DNA testing. Sincerely, Dale E. Reddick Co-Administrator, Reddick / r320 DNA Surname Project ____________________________________________ Herbert Hendricks wrote: >You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little bit more. > >Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any kin. > >In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. > >What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the best. > >If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to the data base you have accumulated. > >In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. > >Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is kin to you. No guarantee. > >I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. > >The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding family are the only route to success. > >God Bless. > >Herb Hendricks >Retired NASA Physicist >Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator >Secretary Hendricks Family Association >Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> >1210 Long Meadow DR >Lynchburg, VA 24502 >434 832 7246 >Major/Smith/Hendricks >http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com>> > To: SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Hardin > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585>> > > Message Board Post: > > I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don’t need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! > your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group. > > > > > ==== SCABBEVI Mailing List ==== This is a stem Of that victorious stock; and let us fear The native mightiness and fate of him.

Dear Charlotte, We've argued this before Charlotte. This is what most people say when they are seling DNA testing. But the proof in the pudding is a paper trail. Without a family history how does a DNA test tell you anything? It is just a bunch of numbers. The family history ties the DNA to a particular family. Without a paper trail you have nothing. You just have a DNA test. The paper trail is the final proof. DNA testing without a paper trail with a family you don't get anywhere. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte Coats<mailto:coats.genealogy@gmail.com> To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] Fw: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing I haven't found this to be true in the Coats DNA project...in fact this has been a great help to us... You start with a 12 marker test and then if need be you go to 25 or 37...but 12 markers will either match or not match...and with enough people, you'll match someone....:) I've not found any other matches with my Coats group, than other Coats' that matched me...exact matches are best but you can match 11/12 on the 12 marker but anything over that you are usually considered not a match...or not related... The costs are far less than trying to find a paper trail! the costs of doing paper research today is just horrendous! but with one simple test at a fraction of the costs compared to chasing a paper trail, you can usually help to focus your research and if you match others, you can compare notes... I've been at this for quite some time and if I were starting out, I'd start with the DNA tests and then go from there... It has been a tremendous help!! Charlotte Coats Coats DNA Project http://www.coatsarchive.us<http://www.coatsarchive.us/> On 1/28/06, Herbert Hendricks <Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com>> wrote: > > You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little bit more. > > Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any kin. > > In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. > > What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the best. > > If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to the data base you have accumulated. > > In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. > > Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is kin to you. No guarantee. > > I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. > > The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding family are the only route to success. > > God Bless. > > Herb Hendricks > Retired NASA Physicist > Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> > 1210 Long Meadow DR > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > 434 832 7246 > Major/Smith/Hendricks > http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com>> > To: SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Hardin > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585>> > > Message Board Post: > > I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don't need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! > your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group. > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send message addressed to SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com>> > For Digest subscription, sent to SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com>> > In the body of the message, enter only the word - unsubscribe > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little bit more. Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any kin. In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the best. If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to the data base you have accumulated. In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is kin to you. No guarantee. I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding family are the only route to success. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com> To: SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hardin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585> Message Board Post: I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don’t need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group. ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: Send message addressed to SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com> For Digest subscription, sent to SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com> In the body of the message, enter only the word - unsubscribe ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>

Actually you do have something...you know to whom you are related at least from this time down...:) For some that's all they have...because the costs of doing paper research is just too much....:( On 1/28/06, Herbert Hendricks <Herb_316@msn.com> wrote: >>> > Without a paper trail you have nothing. > > You just have a DNA test. >

Well, in my particular case, there are at least two matchs to mine, when I say mine, I mean my cousin...in those two cases, people doing paper research years ago decided they were not related to my line...but guess what DNA proved otherwise...so I think that is significant...and yes we have one large group of matches and yes, in one case when the test was extended to 37 markers, he mutated out of that group...but at least now he knows...he's no longer wondering around in the dark, but can focus his research elsewhere... I also have another Baker line and the paper trail connected my ancestor to the wrong father...thanks to the Baker DNA group and I think there are about 150 tests in that group...we found my ancestors correct father...plus that gave me at least two of her siblings...sooooo... check out the Baker DNA site http://www.bakerdna.net/ The problem is lots of old research is just not correct...and the way some connections have been made are pretty shakey at best...not to mention the number of DNA unrelated folks that are trying to prove back to the same ancestor...soooo, I think it's pretty darn good.... So I'd say, unless you've got original documentation and pretty express records, some of that old paper work could well be wrong....:) I rather have a rock solid connection back to the 1700s than to have a shakely connection back to the 1100s...at least I know exactly who my family is....:) Bottom line...DNA can help you...so you should check it out yourself and decide whether or not it's right for you...rather than taking someone elses advise....:) Unless of course you'd just rather not know....:) that's ok too, but some of these old paper trails in years to come are going to go poof... Charlotte On 1/28/06, Herbert Hendricks <Herb_316@msn.com> wrote: > > Dear Charlotte, > > We've argued this before Charlotte. This is what most people say when they > are seling DNA testing. But the proof in the pudding is a paper trail. > > Without a family history how does a DNA test tell you anything? It is just a > bunch of numbers. The family history ties the DNA to a particular family. > > Without a paper trail you have nothing. > > You just have a DNA test. > > The paper trail is the final proof. DNA testing without a paper trail with a > family you don't get anywhere. > > God Bless. > Herb Hendricks > Retired NASA Physicist > Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > Herb_316@MSN.com > 1210 Long Meadow DR > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > 434 832 7246 > Major/Smith/Hendricks > http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte Coats > To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] Fw: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > I haven't found this to be true in the Coats DNA project...in fact > this has been a great help to us... > > You start with a 12 marker test and then if need be you go to 25 or > 37...but 12 markers will either match or not match...and with enough > people, you'll match someone....:) I've not found any other matches > with my Coats group, than other Coats' that matched me...exact matches > are best but you can match 11/12 on the 12 marker but anything over > that you are usually considered not a match...or not related... > > The costs are far less than trying to find a paper trail! the costs > of doing paper research today is just horrendous! but with one simple > test at a fraction of the costs compared to chasing a paper trail, you > can usually help to focus your research and if you match others, you > can compare notes... > > I've been at this for quite some time and if I were starting out, I'd > start with the DNA tests and then go from there... > > It has been a tremendous help!! > > Charlotte Coats > Coats DNA Project > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > On 1/28/06, Herbert Hendricks <Herb_316@msn.com> wrote: > > > > You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little > bit more. > > > > Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any > kin. > > > > In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. > > > > What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most > died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the > best. > > > > If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type > people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to > the data base you have accumulated. > > > > In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone > with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone > else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two > items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. > > > > Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is > kin to you. No guarantee. > > > > I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. > But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all > relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. > > > > The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the > case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly > find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding > family are the only route to success. > > > > God Bless. > > > > Herb Hendricks > > Retired NASA Physicist > > Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator > > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> > > 1210 Long Meadow DR > > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > > 434 832 7246 > > Major/Smith/Hendricks > > > http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com> > > To: > SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM > > Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: Hardin > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585> > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding > yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who > share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father > to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to > male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with > the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. > Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two > cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put > the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don't need > to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the > volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and > link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a > recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected > pedigrees if! > > your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is > assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At > that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a > surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new > genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I > invite you to join our group. > > > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe: Send message addressed to > SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > For Digest subscription, sent to > SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > In the body of the message, enter only the word - unsubscribe > > > > ============================== > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn > more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429> > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > -- > Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology! > > Coats Archive > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > -- Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology! Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us

I haven't found this to be true in the Coats DNA project...in fact this has been a great help to us... You start with a 12 marker test and then if need be you go to 25 or 37...but 12 markers will either match or not match...and with enough people, you'll match someone....:) I've not found any other matches with my Coats group, than other Coats' that matched me...exact matches are best but you can match 11/12 on the 12 marker but anything over that you are usually considered not a match...or not related... The costs are far less than trying to find a paper trail! the costs of doing paper research today is just horrendous! but with one simple test at a fraction of the costs compared to chasing a paper trail, you can usually help to focus your research and if you match others, you can compare notes... I've been at this for quite some time and if I were starting out, I'd start with the DNA tests and then go from there... It has been a tremendous help!! Charlotte Coats Coats DNA Project http://www.coatsarchive.us On 1/28/06, Herbert Hendricks <Herb_316@msn.com> wrote: > > You need to explain to people you are selling this DNA testing to a little bit more. > > Just doing a 12 marker DNA test does not necessarily connect you to any kin. > > In fact it may connect you to people who are not your kin. > > What you need is probably at least 25 and probably a 37 marker test. Most died in the wool DNA searchers will tell you that a 37 marker test is the best. > > If you go to Genealogy DNA-L and talk with some of the DNA math type people there they can help maybe without 37 but it is all still relative to the data base you have accumulated. > > In addition you need some one to compare to also. That is you need someone with a family lineage that is fairly well known and you also need someone else to compare with in terms of their DNA. If you don't have these two items you are just another group of people as to yet unidentified. > > Now when you have all of this you must might connect to a family that is kin to you. No guarantee. > > I'm not putting down DNA testing at all or the person who put this out. But when you undertake this testing it is not all simple and it is not all relative inexpensive. Facts faced help all involved. > > The DNA testing companies do not always tell you all the facts in the case. It is like the Genographic Project, do a 12 marker test and suddenly find you are kin to half the USA. Then realize more testing and finding family are the only route to success. > > God Bless. > > Herb Hendricks > Retired NASA Physicist > Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator > Secretary Hendricks Family Association > Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> > 1210 Long Meadow DR > Lynchburg, VA 24502 > 434 832 7246 > Major/Smith/Hendricks > http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: whardin@carolina.rr.com<mailto:whardin@carolina.rr.com> > To: SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] yDNA testing > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Hardin > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1585> > > Message Board Post: > > I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don't need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! > your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group. > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe: Send message addressed to SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-L-request@rootsweb.com> > For Digest subscription, sent to SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCCOLLET-D-request@rootsweb.com> > In the body of the message, enter only the word - unsubscribe > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/550 Message Board Post: I am Bill Hardin, the volunteer coordinator of the Harden/Hardin/Harding yDNA project. yDNA testing can help you connect with other researchers who share a common ancestor. yDNA is passed along the surname line from father to son. Females do not possess a y chromosome thus the test is limited to male participants. However, as long as you can find a male relative with the surname that you are researching, you could get a sample from him. Obtaining an yDNA sample is quick, easy and painless. The kit contains two cotton swabs, which you use to rub the inside of your cheek with. You put the samples in a test tube and mail them back for analysis. You don’t need to understand the science. The company that conducts the testing and the volunteer coordinator of your surname project will analyse the results and link you to other researchers who share the same yDNA (an thus share a recent common ancestor). The test is also usefull in disproving suspected pedigrees if! your sample does not match with others from that same line. Privacy is assured. You can read more about this testing at familytreedna dot com. At that site, you can check to see if a surname project has been started for a surname that you are researching. I urge all of you to investigate this new genalogy tool. If your surname happens to be Harden or Hardin or Harding, I invite you to join our group.

My notes show a Joseph Hodge in the 1800 and 1810 censuses. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PEGGYSOGADDIS@bham.rr.com> To: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: [SCLAUREN] Hodges Family > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: HODGES > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/549 > > Message Board Post: > > Since we may have some new Family Researchers on Line now may be they > have some information on this John or Richard Hodges. > > Some kind person sent me this info a while back on a > John Hodges and Richard Hodges in the 1810 Census. > There were only two HODGES in the 1810 census for Laurens Co., SC so > they might have been kin. But, my Leroy would not fit into > the ages for Richard like he would for the John Hodges. > > The John Hodges was in Laurens Co., SC. 1810, 1829, 1839 Census. > The John Hodges had a Male in the Family that would fit into my Line as > of Leroy H. Hodges born in 1806 but, can not prove > it, then in the 1830 census, Leroy was married and was just 10 houses a > way from this John Hodges. > > If any one the Census or information I would like to know where John > was born. > The HODGES are on my Mother side, and Leroy is my GG Grandfather. > > Thanks a lot for any thing. > > PeggySue <O'Shields> Gaddis > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Looking for parents of Daniel Ford who served in Starling Tucker's Regiment of South Carolina Militia during the War of 1812. Daniel Ford married Agatha Walker, dau of Elijah and Elizabeth Walker of Laurens County, SC. Daniel and Agatha are mentioned by name in the Walker Estate Papers, 1819-1821 as living in Georgia at the time of settlement. Daniel evidently moved his family to Oglethorpe County, GA where he purchased land from Isaiah Hardman in 1819. Daniel is listed as head of household on the 1820 and 1830 Oglethorpe censuses. The Fords moved from Oglethorpe County to Henry County, GA by 1840. The 1850 Henry County census which list only initials for given names, says that D. Ford was born in Georgia and A. Ford was born in Virginia. Census records show some of the Ford children as having been born in South Carolina and some in Georgia. The last child born in South Carolina (according to census) was Elijah Walker Ford who was born 11 Nov 1816. His tombstone in Marion County, AL says that he was born in South Carolina. I'm not at all sure that Daniel was born in Georgia, although some of his childre on the 1880 census records say that he was born in Georgia. I'm looking in both Georgia and South Carolina, but no luck so far. If anyone has in clues, please reply. Jimmie dors1933@vvm.com That's two vees in my email address and not a dubya.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HODGES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/549 Message Board Post: Since we may have some new Family Researchers on Line now may be they have some information on this John or Richard Hodges. Some kind person sent me this info a while back on a John Hodges and Richard Hodges in the 1810 Census. There were only two HODGES in the 1810 census for Laurens Co., SC so they might have been kin. But, my Leroy would not fit into the ages for Richard like he would for the John Hodges. The John Hodges was in Laurens Co., SC. 1810, 1829, 1839 Census. The John Hodges had a Male in the Family that would fit into my Line as of Leroy H. Hodges born in 1806 but, can not prove it, then in the 1830 census, Leroy was married and was just 10 houses a way from this John Hodges. If any one the Census or information I would like to know where John was born. The HODGES are on my Mother side, and Leroy is my GG Grandfather. Thanks a lot for any thing. PeggySue <O'Shields> Gaddis

This sounds like the fairly-well-known "Burnt Factory". I do not have any record of White ownership, but I have 2 deeds in my notes that refer to this property, I believe. The Historical Map of Laurens County, Item 10, shows the location of this property as being on the South Branch of Rabun Creek. "Site of first factory in County organized in 1829 by John Garlington, Wm. F. Downs and Richard F. Simpson for manufacture of cotton thread. Known originally as Laurens Cotton and Wool Factory. Was burned in 1837". Deed Book N, page 54, has John Garlington selling his interest in the "Cotton Factory" to Richard F. Simpson. (Company name Garlington, Downs, and Simpson). Mentions deed from ??? Wilson and W. F. Downs. No acreage or location given, but the year was 1834. Deed Book N-72. 1834, shows a survey of property at the request of W F Downs and Richard F. Simpson, 86 acres on Rabun Creek. I believe that this was done in preparation for sale of the property to Richard F. Simpson. The survey shows a mill pond. I do not have any mention of a Reuben Reed / Reid in my notes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lindasplaying@yahoo.com> To: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: [SCLAUREN] Cotton Mill/Grist Mill..........need look-up please > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Wooten,Reid,Rochester,Whitmire,Tarrant,Lovinggood > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/547 > > Message Board Post: > > If possilbe I need to find out about the following....... > I am trying to find a cotton mill owned by Robert and William White. It > was located on or near Big Rabon Creek, and possibly called "Laurens > Cotton Factory". This mill burned down around 1837-1838. Near the mill > was a grist mill, I need to find out about it if possible to. According to > what I am reading this would have been a fair-sized community,if there > were a cotton mill there. When the mill burned down, there was a school > put up near it also.....this would have been around 1838 possibly. The > school teacher would have been Reuben Reid, he died Dec 24,1838,I don't > know what happened to the school after that,as I "think" he was the only > teacher there. > Any help at all will appericated. > Linda > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wooten,Reid,Rochester,Whitmire,Tarrant,Lovinggood Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/547.1.1 Message Board Post: No, I am sorry. As far as I know all my Reid's came from Virginia,NC,SC...then stayed in SC

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/547.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Sorry this is off your subject, but I saw "Reid" in your surname list. I have a John A. Reed/Reid (the name is spelled both ways on his children's tombstones). He was born in Alabama in 1834. He moved to Alabama in the 1840s, possibly with his sister Sarah and his grandmother Mary. I have no information on his parents. Do any of these names connect with your Reids?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Robertson, Roberson, Blakely, Bonner Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/245.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, it's so great that inquiries remain on the Boards. It has been five years since I posted my questions about John Robertson. Below is all the info I have learned about John A. Do you see any familiar names? He was living in Butler County, Al., in 1850. I hope you will write again. Do you have more info? Freda 1 John A. Roberson _______________________________________________ Birth: 1815 Occ: Farmer Father: William Roberson (1790-1870) Mother: Elizabeth Bonner (1793-1875) Township Seven, Butler County, Al., 26th Dec, 1850, R. M. Ringgold, Asst. Marshall. John Roberson, 35, M., S. Carolina Anna, 36, F., Kentucky Jane, 8, F., Alabama Thomas, 7, Alabama Amanda, 5, F., Alabama (named for her grandmother) John, 3, M., Alabama The Thomas McCormack HH was next door to John and Anna in 1850. Spouse: Anna Unknown Birth: 1820 Children: Jane/Josie (1842-) Amanda (1845-) John B. (1847-) Thomas (1853-)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/245.1 Message Board Post: I too am looking for a John Robertson, I have no other family information, but my John was born in 1813 could they be the same John Robertson?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Robertson, Park Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/548 Message Board Post: I have been searching for any information on John Robertson borin in 1813 married to Cynthia Park in abt 1857. Does anybody have any information on this family? There are several children listed on census records, my gg grandfather was James F Robertson born 1859. I am looking for any information on John Robertson's parents. He was born in Tennessee, but I have been unable to find him as a child on any census record.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wooten,Reid,Rochester,Whitmire,Tarrant,Lovinggood Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/547 Message Board Post: If possilbe I need to find out about the following....... I am trying to find a cotton mill owned by Robert and William White. It was located on or near Big Rabon Creek, and possibly called "Laurens Cotton Factory". This mill burned down around 1837-1838. Near the mill was a grist mill, I need to find out about it if possible to. According to what I am reading this would have been a fair-sized community,if there were a cotton mill there. When the mill burned down, there was a school put up near it also.....this would have been around 1838 possibly. The school teacher would have been Reuben Reid, he died Dec 24,1838,I don't know what happened to the school after that,as I "think" he was the only teacher there. Any help at all will appericated. Linda

I have been using census records to try to determine where people lived in Laurens Co. According to my correlations, Marshall Franks lived near Poplar Springs Church on the road between Laurens and Scuffletown. The Andrews families (early 1800's) lived on the other side of the county near King's Chapel. I might be mistaken, or there could have been some Andrews who were not recorded in the census records. Can you tell me which Andrews lived near Marshall, what year (roughly), and where they lived? Thanks, Richard Lorenz ----- Original Message ----- From: <atkins1@comcast.net> To: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: [SCLAUREN] Marshall Franks > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/546 > > Message Board Post: > > Marshalll was my ggggrandfater he live next tto andrews and the family > marrieges in between each other s family. > > Belva did you got MSCW? > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I would be very interested in any info you have on the Andrews. thanks Pam Freeman, Davidson, Andrews ----- Original Message ----- From: <atkins1@comcast.net> To: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [SCLAUREN] Marshall Franks > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/546 > > Message Board Post: > > Marshalll was my ggggrandfater he live next tto andrews and the family > marrieges in between each other s family. > > Belva did you got MSCW? > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YeB.2ACI/546 Message Board Post: Marshalll was my ggggrandfater he live next tto andrews and the family marrieges in between each other s family. Belva did you got MSCW?