This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YeB.2ACI/39.122.1 Message Board Post: Janet: Sorry for my delay replying to you. I cannot locate a Charles Cargill or Sarah Curry Cargill in the 1800's in my records. Good luck with your search, Lee.

Hi Linda, The first thing to do is to find out if a DNA study for the surname (or heritage) you are interested in already exists. Worldfamilies has a large compilation of projects listed that you can find by doing a search at: http://www.worldfamilies.net/search/search.php I realize that 'Graves' might not be your maiden name or the one that you're planning to study, but it's a good example to illustrate. The Graves DNA Project was founded in 2001 (see timeline): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/DNA/DNAtimeline.htm and the Administrator is Ken Graves. Ken is very well-respected and has a very large database of Graves genealogical data. Best regards, Katherine

Well, I am interested in the DNA testing, but couldn't we try to be more positive in finding the best way to do this? I'm tired of an argument going on on this web site. Instead of arguing, put your and our heads together to find the best way to conduct a DNA study. I'd like to hear a civil discussion on this subject including the latest available in DNA genealogical testing. What do you think? Linda Graves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hope Borges" <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the Initiators > > > > > >"You still want to make things simple to satisfy the Genographic Project." > > What do I care about satisfying them? I'm not employed by them. > Well...Spencer Wells > did answer my question at the FTDNA conference so my name might ring a bell, > but that's about as close as I come to them even knowing I exist. > > > > >"What people tell you from DNA companies is very often only half a truth." > > You got on me on this one, since I'm also not employed by any DNA companies, > I rely on them to be honest and not violate a customer's privacy. But > you're > the ex-U.S. Government employee here so I'm quite positive you would know > way > more about anything fishy that could be done by the Govt. > > > > >"If you think for a minute information is not useable from a DNA test to > >find more than you want everyone to believe you are really not facing > >facts." > > Same answer as the previous one. > > > >"Try for a moment to figure out what else one has to do to trace your DNA > >back in time. > >It is more than a 12 marker test." > > > I'm not sure why you continue to fixate on the 12-marker test. I'm guessing > it's because I don't MANDATE and REQUIRE people to order more markers. Why > don't you and another Hendricks > cousin of yours order 12-marker tests in the Laurens project and then when > your results come in you can test me to see if I'll recommend you upgrade? I > would recommend it. > > >"SNP testing, deep clades which trace the route backward in time 12 markers > >is just the beginning. Any group that does this to trace people back in > >time use 37+ markers and other tests for specific mutation sites to trace > >your DNA backward. I just went through this process, Ethnoancestry. Of > >course I don't know what was done so you tell me." > > > > A SNP test is performed on a different section of the Y-chromosome from > where your YSTR markers are and confirms your haplogroup. (Deep ancestral > origins) Some people believe that STR and SNP testing will someday > converge. > > > >Go to Haplo-tree testing and you will begin to get the idea. John McEwan > >has an R1b site, Kerchner has another and this is just a beginning of what > >you have to do that the Genographic Project has also to do to use a persons > >DNA to trace him back in time. Just twelve marker testing just a start. > > > > I'm well versed on the sources you cite, and can recommend some to you as > well. > > Thanks again Herb, I'm really quite impressed with how much time and > keystrokes > you've spent on sharing "the truth" with me today! > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Go to the below sites by either clicking on the site or copying and pasting them in your browser. Take a little study on DNA mapping to get back to Africa or wherever you dead end in time. http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/fig1.html<http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/fig1.html> http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html<http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html> http://worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm<http://worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm> http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/1.htm<http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/1.htm> Just maybe this will show people how mapping your particular DNA back in time is much more complicated than just a 12 marker DNA test. A lot of 12 Marker DNA tests also do not give you the first step in your mapping process It often takes an SNP test to do this. About 20% of our Hendricks DNA participants had no typical route to a Haplotree marker without an SNP testing. Then a deep clades set of test to map further back in time. Then you may find you have a uniques set of results that has not been mapped. The results a brick wall until enough of a data base is collected and compared to continue mapping backward in the past. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

Just keep reading maybe it will all sink in. You still want to make things simple to satisfy the Genographic Project. What people tell you from DNA companies is very often only half a truth. If you think for a minute information is not useable from a DNA test to find more than you want everyone to believe you are really not facing facts. Try for a moment to figure out what else one has to do to trace your DNA back in time. It is more than a 12 marker test. What people have to do if you use everyone who is tested is to find all branches of each tree for a give Haplotype. SNP testing, deep clades which trace the route backward in time 12 markers is just the beginning. Any group that does this to trace people back in time use 37+ markers and other tests for specific mutation sites to trace your DNA backward. I just went through this process, Ethnoancestry. Of course I don't know what was done so you tell me. Go to Haplo-tree testing and you will begin to get the idea. John McEwan has an R1b site, Kerchner has another and this is just a beginning of what you have to do that the Genographic Project has also to do to use a persons DNA to trace him back in time. Just twelve marker testing just a start. So it all depends on how much you want to understand and what you want to believe. Visit the "I", R1a and all the other Haplo-tree sites and maybe you will get the picture. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the Initiators The FBI's database uses CODIS markers which are obtained from autosomal DNA. The Genographic Project is useless to the FBI as it doesn't test for these markers, not to mention the privacy aspect with doesn't tie samples to individuals. You can verify this with Charles or the GENEALOGY-DNA-L because I know you don't view me as a credible source. http://www.isogg.org/dnamyths.htm<http://www.isogg.org/dnamyths.htm> Unless the Government or FBI is interested in anthro-genealogical "junk" DNA, they won't have much use for any data from the Genographic Project. >From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> >To: "Katherine Hope Borges" <kvjjmmborges@msn.com<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com>> >CC: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com>> >Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the >Initiators >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:28:45 -0500 > >Again no one said each persons information was available but that the data >base of results is public. > >How do you think any conclusion could be reached without some type of data >base per individual's Haplotype. > >So what can you do with it. See Hammer, recent publication U. of AZ on >distribution of people of various ethnic origins in the USA. It identifies >your individual distribution collectively in a data base of the various >people of different ethnic origins in the USA per location. > >Now think about this in other government data bases and what this tells you >about the general population distribution in the USA. > >What can you do with it? > >Herb Hendricks >Retired NASA Physicist >Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator >Secretary Hendricks Family Association >Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> >1210 Long Meadow DR >Lynchburg, VA 24502 >434 832 7246 >Major/Smith/Hendricks >http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com>> > To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the >Initiators > > > > The following comment posted is erroneous, see Genographic Project link >and > info below: > > <snip> > "In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available >publicly > who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, >2) > the US Government, etc." ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>

Herbert and Katherine-- You need to take this discussion off-list. I think the list members have gotten the message that they need to research the various DNA projects and make an informed decision. Thank you, Kathy Duncan List Mom

Again no one said each persons information was available but that the data base of results is public. How do you think any conclusion could be reached without some type of data base per individual's Haplotype. So what can you do with it. See Hammer, recent publication U. of AZ on distribution of people of various ethnic origins in the USA. It identifies your individual distribution collectively in a data base of the various people of different ethnic origins in the USA per location. Now think about this in other government data bases and what this tells you about the general population distribution in the USA. What can you do with it? Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: RE: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the Initiators The following comment posted is erroneous, see Genographic Project link and info below: <snip> "In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available publicly who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, 2) the US Government, etc." https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/faqs_privacy.html#Q5<https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/faqs_privacy.html#Q5> 5. How do you protect public participants' privacy and confidentiality? Genographic Project public participant samples are assigned a randomly generated, non-sequential Genographic Project ID (GPID) number for processing and analysis. Public participants can access their results anonymously via the protected participant area of the Genographic web site using his or her GPID number. To help protect your privacy, the project does not associate any personally identifiable information about you with this randomly assigned password. Therefore, if you lose this password we cannot recover it for you or provide you with any other means of accessing the results of your participation. YOU MUST RETAIN THIS PASSWORD IN ORDER TO ACCESS YOUR GENETIC MIGRATORY PROFILE. 8. What steps does the Genographic Project take to keep my results confidential? The results of the Genographic Project can be accessed only by you or by someone else to whom you give your randomly-generated Genographic Project ID number. No one can link your name or other contact information to the sample that you provided to the Genographic Project unless they have your Genographic Project ID number. If you choose to request further genetic testing from Family Tree DNA for purposes other than the Genographic Project, you will use your Genographic Project ID number to permit Family Tree DNA to access the sample of cheek cells you provided. Family Tree DNA has committed to National Geographic that it will protect the confidentiality of your Genographic Project ID number and that it will safeguard and use the number only for purposes of the further testing that you have requested. However, National Geographic may disclose participant information when doing so is required by law. National Geographic will discard samples at the conclusion of the Genographic Project. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx>

Enough, y'all! Can you please continue your DNA discussion off this Laurens list? Please, no disrespect, but it is starting to get old. Sincerely, Lisa Katherine Hope Borges <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> wrote: > >"You still want to make things simple to satisfy the Genographic Project." What do I care about satisfying them? I'm not employed by them. Well...Spencer Wells did answer my question at the FTDNA conference so my name might ring a bell, but that's about as close as I come to them even knowing I exist. > >"What people tell you from DNA companies is very often only half a truth." You got on me on this one, since I'm also not employed by any DNA companies, I rely on them to be honest and not violate a customer's privacy. But you're the ex-U.S. Government employee here so I'm quite positive you would know way more about anything fishy that could be done by the Govt. > >"If you think for a minute information is not useable from a DNA test to >find more than you want everyone to believe you are really not facing >facts." Same answer as the previous one. > >"Try for a moment to figure out what else one has to do to trace your DNA >back in time. >It is more than a 12 marker test." > I'm not sure why you continue to fixate on the 12-marker test. I'm guessing it's because I don't MANDATE and REQUIRE people to order more markers. Why don't you and another Hendricks cousin of yours order 12-marker tests in the Laurens project and then when your results come in you can test me to see if I'll recommend you upgrade? I would recommend it. >"SNP testing, deep clades which trace the route backward in time 12 markers >is just the beginning. Any group that does this to trace people back in >time use 37+ markers and other tests for specific mutation sites to trace >your DNA backward. I just went through this process, Ethnoancestry. Of >course I don't know what was done so you tell me." > A SNP test is performed on a different section of the Y-chromosome from where your YSTR markers are and confirms your haplogroup. (Deep ancestral origins) Some people believe that STR and SNP testing will someday converge. >Go to Haplo-tree testing and you will begin to get the idea. John McEwan >has an R1b site, Kerchner has another and this is just a beginning of what >you have to do that the Genographic Project has also to do to use a persons >DNA to trace him back in time. Just twelve marker testing just a start. > I'm well versed on the sources you cite, and can recommend some to you as well. Thanks again Herb, I'm really quite impressed with how much time and keystrokes you've spent on sharing "the truth" with me today! ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

> >"You still want to make things simple to satisfy the Genographic Project." What do I care about satisfying them? I'm not employed by them. Well...Spencer Wells did answer my question at the FTDNA conference so my name might ring a bell, but that's about as close as I come to them even knowing I exist. > >"What people tell you from DNA companies is very often only half a truth." You got on me on this one, since I'm also not employed by any DNA companies, I rely on them to be honest and not violate a customer's privacy. But you're the ex-U.S. Government employee here so I'm quite positive you would know way more about anything fishy that could be done by the Govt. > >"If you think for a minute information is not useable from a DNA test to >find more than you want everyone to believe you are really not facing >facts." Same answer as the previous one. > >"Try for a moment to figure out what else one has to do to trace your DNA >back in time. >It is more than a 12 marker test." > I'm not sure why you continue to fixate on the 12-marker test. I'm guessing it's because I don't MANDATE and REQUIRE people to order more markers. Why don't you and another Hendricks cousin of yours order 12-marker tests in the Laurens project and then when your results come in you can test me to see if I'll recommend you upgrade? I would recommend it. >"SNP testing, deep clades which trace the route backward in time 12 markers >is just the beginning. Any group that does this to trace people back in >time use 37+ markers and other tests for specific mutation sites to trace >your DNA backward. I just went through this process, Ethnoancestry. Of >course I don't know what was done so you tell me." > A SNP test is performed on a different section of the Y-chromosome from where your YSTR markers are and confirms your haplogroup. (Deep ancestral origins) Some people believe that STR and SNP testing will someday converge. >Go to Haplo-tree testing and you will begin to get the idea. John McEwan >has an R1b site, Kerchner has another and this is just a beginning of what >you have to do that the Genographic Project has also to do to use a persons >DNA to trace him back in time. Just twelve marker testing just a start. > I'm well versed on the sources you cite, and can recommend some to you as well. Thanks again Herb, I'm really quite impressed with how much time and keystrokes you've spent on sharing "the truth" with me today!

To All, Please read the following quote: "Last year, in April (2005) the National Geographic Society threw its weight behind a distinctly 21st-century mapping effort: The Genographic Project. under the leadership of geneticist, Spencer Wells, its scientist will collect and analyze DNA of 100,000 people. By mapping the global distribution of genetic markers, they hope to develop a detailed picture of humanity's migration out of Africa." "Wells was a graduate student of population geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, who first linked the disciplines of genetics and geography, pioneering what he naturally termed "genetic geography." In a landmark letter published in Genomics in 1991, Cavalli-Sforza called for a "worldwide survey of human genomic diversity" fearing that just as science was coming into its own, the populations most in need of study were heading toward extinction. The idea transformed the Human Genomic Diversity Project (HDGP), a forerunner of Wells' effort, and the term "genetic geography" morphed into the quotable hybrid "genography." But the HDGP fizzled, and the term genography lay dormant until it was revived last year. Now, with thousand of participants to date--and its share of controversies-the Genographic Project stand to go down in history and bring the word genography with it." This is what was being sold by DNA companies (who have made huge bucks off of this project) to numerous Genographic Project DNA managers the DNA companies recruited throughout the USA. However in order to get people to participate the propaganda was changed to "we'll connect you to your family with a $99 - 12 marker DNA test." Many SC Web sites were posted to this message to recruit people to participate in the program. No one sought to tell people that 12 marker DNA tests could connect you to your surname and to many others also who were not your kin. The DNA companies started fostering these people off on Family DNA Project to take the rein and explain that 12 marker DNA tests didn't solve your family connectivity problem. The local Genographic Project managers continued to recruit people until it became ridiculous, get your 12 marker test and connect to your family was the message. That is when people, like me, started posting what was the truth. It takes collective people in the same family with matching family histories and matching DNA markers up to 37+ to match up your family lineage and show it is true. To many little white lies still out there. In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available publicly who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, 2) the US Government, etc. So if you really want to use DNA to solve your family history problems, just join a your Surname DNA Project and work with the people there to get a sufficient data base of your family group and you will have a better than even chance to solve those brick walls. If you want some more of our brick wall stories contact me off line. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

The FBI's database uses CODIS markers which are obtained from autosomal DNA. The Genographic Project is useless to the FBI as it doesn't test for these markers, not to mention the privacy aspect with doesn't tie samples to individuals. You can verify this with Charles or the GENEALOGY-DNA-L because I know you don't view me as a credible source. http://www.isogg.org/dnamyths.htm Unless the Government or FBI is interested in anthro-genealogical "junk" DNA, they won't have much use for any data from the Genographic Project. >From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@MSN.com> >To: "Katherine Hope Borges" <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> >CC: <SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the >Initiators >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:28:45 -0500 > >Again no one said each persons information was available but that the data >base of results is public. > >How do you think any conclusion could be reached without some type of data >base per individual's Haplotype. > >So what can you do with it. See Hammer, recent publication U. of AZ on >distribution of people of various ethnic origins in the USA. It identifies >your individual distribution collectively in a data base of the various >people of different ethnic origins in the USA per location. > >Now think about this in other government data bases and what this tells you >about the general population distribution in the USA. > >What can you do with it? > >Herb Hendricks >Retired NASA Physicist >Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator >Secretary Hendricks Family Association >Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> >1210 Long Meadow DR >Lynchburg, VA 24502 >434 832 7246 >Major/Smith/Hendricks >http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> > To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SCLAUREN] The Genographic DNA Project as Seen by the >Initiators > > > > The following comment posted is erroneous, see Genographic Project link >and > info below: > > <snip> > "In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available >publicly > who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, >2) > the US Government, etc."

The following comment posted is erroneous, see Genographic Project link and info below: <snip> "In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available publicly who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, 2) the US Government, etc." https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/faqs_privacy.html#Q5 5. How do you protect public participants' privacy and confidentiality? Genographic Project public participant samples are assigned a randomly generated, non-sequential Genographic Project ID (GPID) number for processing and analysis. Public participants can access their results anonymously via the protected participant area of the Genographic web site using his or her GPID number. To help protect your privacy, the project does not associate any personally identifiable information about you with this randomly assigned password. Therefore, if you lose this password we cannot recover it for you or provide you with any other means of accessing the results of your participation. YOU MUST RETAIN THIS PASSWORD IN ORDER TO ACCESS YOUR GENETIC MIGRATORY PROFILE. 8. What steps does the Genographic Project take to keep my results confidential? The results of the Genographic Project can be accessed only by you or by someone else to whom you give your randomly-generated Genographic Project ID number. No one can link your name or other contact information to the sample that you provided to the Genographic Project unless they have your Genographic Project ID number. If you choose to request further genetic testing from Family Tree DNA for purposes other than the Genographic Project, you will use your Genographic Project ID number to permit Family Tree DNA to access the sample of cheek cells you provided. Family Tree DNA has committed to National Geographic that it will protect the confidentiality of your Genographic Project ID number and that it will safeguard and use the number only for purposes of the further testing that you have requested. However, National Geographic may disclose participant information when doing so is required by law. National Geographic will discard samples at the conclusion of the Genographic Project.

Simple Catherine, People have to join a Family DNA Project and do more than a 12 marker test to connect their family to real people. mtDNA projects abound, go to Genealogy DNA-L and read for a while. Charels Kerchenr and I tried to tell you that when you started to no avail. So you keep not putting out the right information. Tell the people at SC Laurens-L go join your surname group, get 37+ test and maybe you can find out who you are kin to that your site has no hopes of ever providing. It takes family members to sort out their family. Leonardo Andrea, SC Genealogist Emeritus, showed this. Family connectivity is the only way. Now not all Andrea published was right but his idea of getting many people in a family involved in getting their family together has earned the respect of many in SC. Working in an isolated atmosphere with one and two DNA profiles dangling here and there does not lead to solutions. The Hill and Freeman DNA Projects of which many are from SC have over 140 members and they are still working hard to sort out their lines. We at Hendricks DNA have 57 participants and 22 Groups. Each of these 22 groups have a different lineage trail. Ones and two in a DNA group do not a solution make. You fail to grasp this basic premise. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: [SCLAUREN] Re: OFF-LIST reply Dear Herb, Apparently, I'm blinded to the fact that YOU know the truth and I do not, so feel free to enlighten me other than referring me to Charles's site which I've already read throughly. I do not care to be "bitten by the truth" and dwell in my ignorance any longer. Please tell me, and the SC-LAUREN list the err of my ways so that I may rectify it. My goals for the Laurens DNA Project are: to provide a home for mitochondrial DNA results which are not normally welcome in Y-DNA surname projects to provide a home for Y-DNA results of early Laurens lines which might not already have a surname project established (i.e.: Wham, Culbertson, etc.) and assist Laurens researchers in any way possible. The site provides cemetery transcriptions and a researcher as a means to do this. So in your perception of "the truth", what am I doing erronously? Sincerely, Katherine ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx>

Dear Katherine, There are some people in life who cannot and absolutely refuse to recognize the truth when it bites them. Since when is it wrong to speak the truth? Only to those who do not recognize it. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: OFF-LIST reply Herb, Please just leave me and my project alone! I e-mailed you off-list with this request, and yet, you cannot resist but to bring your criticisms on-list. As you know, you've been condescending and rude to me in the past and I just want to be left alone by you. For someone that signs their e-mails "God bless" there's not much more you could do to treat me un-Christianlike. Except maybe if you continue to "blind carbon copy" my e-mails to the SC-LAUREN list or to Max Blankfeld and Charles Kerchner for whatever means you hope they will act upon it. Katherine >From: "Herbert Hendricks" <Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com>> >To: SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCLAUREN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] A True DNA Story >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:51:01 -0500 > >Dear Katherine, > >The words I used and visiting the Laurens DNA site site speaks for itself. > >It takes looking beyond yourself sometime to see what is out there in the >world and how others do things. > >The Charles Kerchner site I referenced does this. > >Herb Hendricks >Retired NASA Physicist >Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator >Secretary Hendricks Family Association >Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com>> >1210 Long Meadow DR >Lynchburg, VA 24502 >434 832 7246 >Major/Smith/Hendricks >http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com>> > To: Herbert Hendricks<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com>> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] A True DNA Story > > > Herb, > > You stated: > > "I visited the Laurens DNA site which posts some DNA results for people >from Laurens. > This is not the way to find about your connections to your family." > > I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from any future public comments >about the Laurens Co. SC DNA Project and speak only on behalf of your own >DNA project. > > Thank you, > Katherine Borges > Laurens Co., SC DNA Project Administrator > > > > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond F MacMahon<mailto:raymacmahon@bellsouth.net> To: SCUNION-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [SCUNION] DNA Testing Herbert Hendricks wrote: "DNA testing is only valid when you have a surname connections project of similar surnames with hopefully matching DNA profiles to compare to." This is excellent advice for anyone interested in DNA testing. I am a member of the McMahon DNA group at FTDNA and have been shown to be descended from an ancestor in County Monaghan, Ireland. Ray MacMahon ==== SCUNION Mailing List ==== The Piedmont Historical Society publishes a quarterly called UPPER SOUTH CAROLINA GENEALOGY & HISTORY. http://www.angelfire.com/sc/piedmonths<http://www.angelfire.com/sc/piedmonths> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

Dear Katherine, The words I used and visiting the Laurens DNA site site speaks for itself. It takes looking beyond yourself sometime to see what is out there in the world and how others do things. The Charles Kerchner site I referenced does this. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Hope Borges<mailto:kvjjmmborges@msn.com> To: Herbert Hendricks<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] A True DNA Story Herb, You stated: "I visited the Laurens DNA site which posts some DNA results for people from Laurens. This is not the way to find about your connections to your family." I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from any future public comments about the Laurens Co. SC DNA Project and speak only on behalf of your own DNA project. Thank you, Katherine Borges Laurens Co., SC DNA Project Administrator

Thank you Herb! Just so everyone knows, there's nowhere in my site that recommends they only do a 12-marker test. The participant chooses which test they'd like to order. I DO recommend they join a surname project if one exists, as I did with the Tucker who is in the project. But what should they do if a surname project doesn't already exist? Laurens is a place to start and they also have the benefit of a discount by going through the project. No surname project in existance, no discount. Same with mitochondrial results. One cannot join a mtDNA project until they actually know what their haplogroup is, and they need to test that to find out. Unless of course it's a mtDNA heritage project like Ireland mtDNA or Laurens. The Laurens DNA Project is less than a year old, other surname projects like Freeman, et al are older and have had time to grow. Something else I actively do is recruit partcipants from Laurens to test, and that may someday help someone get through their genealogical brick-wall by leading them to the paper trail. Laurens County is a fantastic county with 200+ years of records and no courthouse fires! Thanks again for your reply! Katherine

Dear Herb, Apparently, I'm blinded to the fact that YOU know the truth and I do not, so feel free to enlighten me other than referring me to Charles's site which I've already read throughly. I do not care to be "bitten by the truth" and dwell in my ignorance any longer. Please tell me, and the SC-LAUREN list the err of my ways so that I may rectify it. My goals for the Laurens DNA Project are: to provide a home for mitochondrial DNA results which are not normally welcome in Y-DNA surname projects to provide a home for Y-DNA results of early Laurens lines which might not already have a surname project established (i.e.: Wham, Culbertson, etc.) and assist Laurens researchers in any way possible. The site provides cemetery transcriptions and a researcher as a means to do this. So in your perception of "the truth", what am I doing erronously? Sincerely, Katherine

Dear Carole, You have asked an excellent question. I visited the Laurens DNA site which posts some DNA results for people from Laurens. This is not the way to find about your connections to your family. Why? Nothing ever stands alone. DNA testing and family history needs something to compare to. DNA testing is only valid when you have a surname connections project of similar surnames with hopefully matching DNA profiles to compare to. We have 22 different Hendricks groups and this illustrates what I am saying. Generally surname Projects are slightly less expensive to join and get DNA testing. Generally surnames have diverse family connections. Joining a group will generally get you some one who knows something more than a posting about your surname. In our case we have about 80 years of documented land deeds, grants, wills, church records plus numerous lineages. We also provide free 3 family history CDs which are useful for searching out your family records. So what to do? As a start you can go to your browser like Google or Yahoo and plug in DNA testing. This will pull up a lot of stuff. However there are a number of DNA testing companies and this is what to look for. I will give you an example, Family Tree DNA is found at (Not a necessary advertizement for FTDNA) http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp<http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp>. This web site gives you a place where a large number of surnames are posted. Scroll down to the alphabet listing of projects click on the first letter of your surname. This will bring up a list of surnames of the beginning letter of your surname. Scroll until you find your surname and click on it. This takes you to a page that begins to give information about your surname. Depending upon the knowledge and dedication of the Group Administrator you will begin to connect to your family. There is also a link to the person doing the coordination of the project. We and numerous other DNA Projects have learned the hard way overtime to do 37+ marker DNA testing. Why? Visiting such sites as Charles Kerchner (http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm there<http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm%20there> is excellent documentation that shows you why. To separate out people 12 and 25 marker testing often gives false positive matches which lead people to make errors in connections to family members. 37+ marker testing also helps separate out different members in family groups. So if you are really serious about DNA the above is a beginning. However you need to search out male members of your family for Y-DNA testing as the genes are passed for a given surname down form father to son to grandson forever. Getting other members of your surnames, once your know your family's DNA profile, will establish a DNA base profile in which to compare others to your particular surname group. We have a number of good case example. For instance we had three particular groups of Hendricks do DNA testing. 1) back to Daniel Hendrick of MA 1617., 2) A family back to KY 1792 and 3) a family back into Eastern NC 1700. When they saw that all three were beginning to match, one group only did a beginning 12 marker test, then a 25 and 37 test they all began to match. So from 3 different groups at the beginning (one group only 12 markers which wasa mistake at the beginning) they matched into a single Hendrick/s family Group pointing toward Daniel Hendrick of MA b 1617 m 1642 Dorothy Pike, d of Robert Pike Mayflower passenger. Talk about thrilled. Now all this different happen overnight. The Hendricks Family Association had a data base on the Daniel Hendrick group and also what some know as the Jabesh Hendricks or Francis Hendrickson family of Eastern NC. All this helped put the family together for DNA does not stand alone it stands with family history records. The whole story is more complicated but it shows you what can happen in a family surname project where you have good participation for DNA testing and good family records. Working with dedicated people who search their families histories and getting good DNA participation form multiple given surname families is what makes success. Standing alone somewhere just hoping and waiting will not solve your project's problems. Participation and working with family members to bring together your family history will solve many a problem. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: EASYSKIER@aol.com<mailto:EASYSKIER@aol.com> To: Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] A True DNA Story Hi Herb......I am interested in doing a DNA study for my family. What would be a good site to find out more about the testing, the cost and the best place to have it done? Carole

Hi, I have on loan from the Family History Library, FHL film #10292079 Laurens County, SC, Guardian Records, 1807-68. I would be glad to do simple lookups on this film, if you are specific in your requests. For example, I can't check for every SMITH. But if you can be specific. I would be glad to help. For example, I am looking for guardianship records for the children of Stephen MARCHBANKS, who died in Laurens in late 1805 to early 1806. A request of this type would be fine. I've done this type of thing on other email lists, and it works fine, as long as folks make reasonable requests. I'll have the film until March 20th. I would appreciate other folks offering similar services. I've noticed, for example, that some of the Laurens records have been filmed, but they are available only at the court house in Laurens County and at the FHL in Salt Lake. Tom in Chapel Hill