Thanks for the beautiful history and geography lesson! > You asked about Clems branch and McMichaels. I think it > is not McMichaels but McAlpine (present-day) creek > just above Clems branch. Yes, I wrote McMichaels Creek in my original message where I meant to write McAlpine. Some early land descriptions talked about a ridge between McAlpine and McMichaels Creek. If the name Clems Branch was used in Revolutionary times, it probably wasn't McMichaels Creek. I can't find a name for the next creek north of McAlpine at GNIS, though -- the creek that runs just east of Pineville. There's a Little Sugar Creek in the viciniity, but the label on the GNIS map straddles several creeks! I can't attach files, but if you can look at this map, we'll know we're in the same quadrant <g> http://mapping.usgs.gov:8888/gnis/owa/MapServer?f_name=McAlpine+Creek&f_state= SC&f_latlong=350200N0805351W&f_ht=.125&server=TIGER I am researching a William Brown who had land on Twelve Mile Creek, a few miles south of this area. His son Thomas described the land as 1/4 mile from the Catawba River, 3 miles from the Widow Jackon (presumably when she was living in the James Crawford household), and 45 miles from Camden, which matches exactly the Twelve Mile Creek location. William Brown had a son William, and I am wondering if this is the William who had land on McMichaels Creek. Could people have travelled up the Catawba River and Sugar Creek, or would they have to go overland?