I have found an Elizabeth Brown (no dates or locations) being daughter of Thomas Brown & Eve Perrin (no dates or locations). Before Thomas married Eve, she married Annie Belle Jordan (no dates or locations). Do any of you know about where these people might have been buried or anything about them? All information or suggestions appreciated, Sonja

Hi James, I don't know that I can be of any help to you at all or not, however, the obit mentioned a surviving son living in Columbia, SC and since I live in Columbia, I might could get in touch with him and see what he might have. I also noticed that there was a "Kent Fowler" listed as a pallbearer and I have connections to the Fowlers from Tabor City and Loris areas. Just wondered if there might be a connection. Let me hear from you. Thanks, Bob Causey james gore wrote: > Below is an obit. of a cousin of mine. If anyone has her or > the family in there line, I would like to share info with > you. > > james > ruagore@yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Ethel S. Anderson > TABOR CITY, N.C. - Ethel Squires Anderson, 86, died Tuesday, > Jan. 25, 2000, at Marion Nursing Center. > She was born in Barnesville, N.C., a daughter of the late > Coleman and Minnie Strickland Squires. > She was the widow of John Paul Anderson. > She was a member of St. Paul United Methodist Church. > Survivors include two sons, David Anderson of Columbia and > Mitchell Anderson of Marion; two stepchildren, Edward > Anderson of Loris and Billie Pearl McPherson of Clarendon, > N.C.; four grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren. > She was predeceased by a grandchild. > Visitation will be from 6 to 8 tonight at Inman Funeral Home > in Tabor City, N.C. > The funeral will be at 11 a.m. Friday at the funeral home. > Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Tabor City. > Pallbearers will be Kevin Clemons, Kim Clemons, Kent Fowler, > Jonathan Anderson, Craig Anderson and Roby McPherson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== > If you have a Web Site with your Horry County Family names please tell > about it! > more sites: > 11. Bob Bryan BBryan84@aol.com > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/y/Bobby-F-Bryan/ > 12. Tamala Stevens tamkev@gowebway.com > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Tamala-L-Stevens/index.html > 13. Sue Montgomery-Cook SCook@dlr.com > http://www.acun.com/dentons > 14. Chris Reeder creeder@taylordata.com > http://creeder.taylordata.com/ > 15. Cecil Daniels cdan@mylink.net > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5917/TODD.HTM > NOTE: Cecil descends from Thomas Todd at this Web Site. > The "artsy@hartcom.net"is the Webmaster and not connected > to Horry Co. > The descendent for William (Bill Mosely)can > be reached at bilmo@modesto.net

Below is an obit. of a cousin of mine. If anyone has her or the family in there line, I would like to share info with you. james ruagore@yahoo.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Ethel S. Anderson TABOR CITY, N.C. - Ethel Squires Anderson, 86, died Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2000, at Marion Nursing Center. She was born in Barnesville, N.C., a daughter of the late Coleman and Minnie Strickland Squires. She was the widow of John Paul Anderson. She was a member of St. Paul United Methodist Church. Survivors include two sons, David Anderson of Columbia and Mitchell Anderson of Marion; two stepchildren, Edward Anderson of Loris and Billie Pearl McPherson of Clarendon, N.C.; four grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren. She was predeceased by a grandchild. Visitation will be from 6 to 8 tonight at Inman Funeral Home in Tabor City, N.C. The funeral will be at 11 a.m. Friday at the funeral home. Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Tabor City. Pallbearers will be Kevin Clemons, Kim Clemons, Kent Fowler, Jonathan Anderson, Craig Anderson and Roby McPherson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

I'm sorry, I think I gave the wrong address for my family tree page. If you couldn't get it to work, try the following. Thanks, Sonja Singleton Phipps http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/h/i/Sonja-R-Phipps/

For those of you that haven't seen my family tree page, please check it out. We might could help each other fill in some blanks. Thanks, Sonja Singleton Phipps http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/h/i/Sonja-R-Phipps/index.html#edit

Does anybody know if there were any records from the Kingston Fur Company when they did the undertaking? They are named as the undertaker on my great grandmothers (Callie Johnson Hughes Singleton) death certificate in 1932. Any information or suggestions appreciated, Sonja Singleton Phipps

Thanks Ken, been looking in your site, haven't found my Ann as of yet, but did find some family, think it might of been you step mother, not sure, Sallie Jane Edwards mr. to Jim McCraken, children, Robert, Hazel, Ann, Paul, Sallie was my Aunt, My Dads sister, The Ann McCrakin mr. to Larkin Hughes, was on my mother 's side of family, Ruby

Sonja, I have your Cornelius: Cornelious Graham 1889-1974 m. 1) Dora Barnhill 2) Zilphie Cannon Parents of Cornelious: Cornelious J. Graham 1848-1897 and Mary Jane Dawsey 1855-1916 (I don't have information on any children.) His parents: Alpha A. Graham 1826-1900 m. Helon Alice Johnston 1826-1881 His parents: Joseph Graham 1794-1850 and Clare Unknown 1785 - ; Her parents: Meshack Johnston and Rebecca Rhea. His parents: John Graham, Sr. 1765-1811 and Martha Unknown - 1811. His parents: John Graham 1720 - 1780 and Mary or Jane or Jennett Johnston. His parents: William Graham 1680-1750 and ? Neilson; Her parents Gilbert Johnston and Caroline Unknown. His father: probably William Graham 1660-1690. Linda Cox McNish ----- Original Message ----- From: Sonja Phipps <srphipps@sccoast.net> To: <SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 25, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: [SCHORRY-L] Cornelius Graham? > Do any of you have a Cornelius Graham in you Grahams? He married a Mrs. Dora > Barnhill Graham but I don't have any info on them although I'd like to. > Thanks, Sonja Phipps > > > ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== > More Horry County Listmember sites.. > 6. Jerri Lynne Smith stowes@FMTC.Net > http//www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2350. > 7. Vicky Hammond vlhammond@email.msn.com > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vhammond/index.htm > 8. Tawny Green tawnyg@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > 9. Carol Norton cnorton@centex.net > http\\www.geocities.com/heartland/ridge/3703 > 10. Mary Ellen Wexler <mewexler@buffnet.net> > >http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/ >

Vicki, The Zoan Methodist Church is located on Hwy 19 between Pleasant View, located at its intersection with Hwy 917, and Playcard Crossroads, located at its intersection with Hwy 410. I believe the community is located near that church. Nelson

It could be "Zion", although if you look at the marriage records on the HCHS site, there are alot of references to "Zoan". I'm not familiar enough with the area, and my mother, who is from Horry, nevery heard of it. Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: bc <bcause19@idt.net> To: <SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [SCHORRY-L] Watts Family > Could your "Zoan" community be "Zion"? > BC > Vicki Annico wrote: > > > Looking for information regarding the following family located in the > > 1850 Horry co., Census: > > > > A. Watts, b. ca 1810 > > E. Watts, b. ca 1820 > > Zoan Watts, b. ca 1835 > > E. (Elizabeth) Watts, b. ca 1837 > > Levi Watts, b. ca 1839 (died in the Civil War - SC Tenth Regiment, > > Company G) > > A. (Alfred) Watts, b. ca 1841 > > James Watts, b. ca 1843 (fought in the 26th SC Infantry, Company K) > > A. J. Watts, b. ca 1845 > > Sarah Watts, b. ca 1847 > > Ann Watts, b. ca 1849 > > > > I believe Elizabeth Watts married my ggggrandfather, Josiah Willoughby > > of the Zoan community. by the way, does anyone know where the Zoan > > Community is? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. > > > > Vicki Annico > > Waynesville, NC > > vicki@primeline.com > > > > ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== > > More Horry County Listmember sites.. > > 6. Jerri Lynne Smith stowes@FMTC.Net > > http//www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2350. > > 7. Vicky Hammond vlhammond@email.msn.com > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vhammond/index.htm > > 8. Tawny Green tawnyg@earthlink.net > > http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > > 9. Carol Norton cnorton@centex.net > > http\\www.geocities.com/heartland/ridge/3703 > > 10. Mary Ellen Wexler <mewexler@buffnet.net> > > >http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/ > > ______________________________

Does anybody on the list have a Joseph Malcolm James (married Lillian Cannon James) in their family tree? I would like to find out who his (or her) ancestors were. I have no dates on either of them (or where their buried) but would like to. Any information or suggestions appreciated, Sonja Phipps

Do any of you have a Cornelius Graham in you Grahams? He married a Mrs. Dora Barnhill Graham but I don't have any info on them although I'd like to. Thanks, Sonja Phipps

Ruby If the McCracken, McCrackin,McRaken,McCraken or McCrakin are from the Horry county area then more than likely they are the same family. You could check out my family site at http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Ken-O-Mccracken For the person looking for wills on different McCrackens they too need to look at this site, at the notes. THANKS Ken McCracken mccracken@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: RCAMP65@aol.com [mailto:RCAMP65@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:38 PM To: SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCHORRY-L] Graham Linda, Thanks for answering my query, I have the book "Rob and Joe" ordered it about 2 yrs. ago, I could not find any of the Ann's that I thought was mine, but it seems the families was close, maybe I should look for McCraken instead of McCrakin, but I was told the name was spelled with (in) instead of (en) but one of Ann B. & Larkin Hughes daughters was named Ann R. maybe the Ann Rebecca McCraken Hendricks,br. 1858 was named after Ann R. Hughes br.1847she was my g-grandmother & she mr. Goodman James Thanks for your help, maybe some day I will get the Hughes & James ancesters straight, Thanks again, Ruby ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== On-Line Newspaper: http://www.myrtlebeachaccess.com/ Click on "The Sun News Online", then on "Obituaries". Check the "Local" section on Saturdays when they feature area history. All South Carolina Newpaper sites: http://www.usnewspaperlinks.com/scnews.html

Could your "Zoan" community be "Zion"? BC Vicki Annico wrote: > Looking for information regarding the following family located in the > 1850 Horry co., Census: > > A. Watts, b. ca 1810 > E. Watts, b. ca 1820 > Zoan Watts, b. ca 1835 > E. (Elizabeth) Watts, b. ca 1837 > Levi Watts, b. ca 1839 (died in the Civil War - SC Tenth Regiment, > Company G) > A. (Alfred) Watts, b. ca 1841 > James Watts, b. ca 1843 (fought in the 26th SC Infantry, Company K) > A. J. Watts, b. ca 1845 > Sarah Watts, b. ca 1847 > Ann Watts, b. ca 1849 > > I believe Elizabeth Watts married my ggggrandfather, Josiah Willoughby > of the Zoan community. by the way, does anyone know where the Zoan > Community is? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. > > Vicki Annico > Waynesville, NC > vicki@primeline.com > > ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== > More Horry County Listmember sites.. > 6. Jerri Lynne Smith stowes@FMTC.Net > http//www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2350. > 7. Vicky Hammond vlhammond@email.msn.com > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vhammond/index.htm > 8. Tawny Green tawnyg@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg > 9. Carol Norton cnorton@centex.net > http\\www.geocities.com/heartland/ridge/3703 > 10. Mary Ellen Wexler <mewexler@buffnet.net> > >http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/

Looking for information regarding the following family located in the 1850 Horry co., Census: A. Watts, b. ca 1810 E. Watts, b. ca 1820 Zoan Watts, b. ca 1835 E. (Elizabeth) Watts, b. ca 1837 Levi Watts, b. ca 1839 (died in the Civil War - SC Tenth Regiment, Company G) A. (Alfred) Watts, b. ca 1841 James Watts, b. ca 1843 (fought in the 26th SC Infantry, Company K) A. J. Watts, b. ca 1845 Sarah Watts, b. ca 1847 Ann Watts, b. ca 1849 I believe Elizabeth Watts married my ggggrandfather, Josiah Willoughby of the Zoan community. by the way, does anyone know where the Zoan Community is? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Vicki Annico Waynesville, NC vicki@primeline.com

Linda, Thanks for answering my query, I have the book "Rob and Joe" ordered it about 2 yrs. ago, I could not find any of the Ann's that I thought was mine, but it seems the families was close, maybe I should look for McCraken instead of McCrakin, but I was told the name was spelled with (in) instead of (en) but one of Ann B. & Larkin Hughes daughters was named Ann R. maybe the Ann Rebecca McCraken Hendricks,br. 1858 was named after Ann R. Hughes br.1847she was my g-grandmother & she mr. Goodman James Thanks for your help, maybe some day I will get the Hughes & James ancesters straight, Thanks again, Ruby

Can somebody give me the link to the SCHORRY archives? I've lost it. Thanks, Sonja Singleton Phipps

In a message dated 01/23/2000 6:57:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, srphipps@sccoast.net writes: Go to the bottom to search the archives http://www.hchsonline.org/aids/index.html

Hi Everyone, I'm still trying to locate relatives of BENJAMIN F. AVANT. I have the foloowing info on several different AVANT families but no connections that we can trace. Can anyone help? Paula Benjamin F Avant b5-22-1837, Horry Co SC d5-26-1887, Socates SC married Laura M Durant b 1844 Georgetown SC d 1924 Chadbourn, NC Her parents were GeorgeDurant b 1817or 1827, d 1865 and Amanda b 1828 d Dec. 1899 Benjamin and Laura had 3 children, George Durant Avant, b 8-14-1871, Horry Co SC, d 9-10-1935, Chadbourn NC - Euleal Avant, b 12-28-1874 Cool Springs SC d 9-16-1949 Rock Hill SC - Wade Hampton Avant b11-19-1876 Horry Co SC d 10-18-1930 Wilmington NC Wade Hampton was my grandfather He married Anna Elizabeth Richardson They had 2 sons Wade Hampton, Jr. and Paul Benjamin ( my Dad) Next family - Ben and Jane Avant - had son Robert Derrick Avant b Georgetown SC, married Olivia Jacobs They had son Ozzie Lee Avant b 2-5-1914 Georgetown SC married Ethel Lou Powers They had son Hiram Lww Avant born in Red Springs NC Next familyThomas Avant married Drucilla or Priscilla Ammons Had son Rev. John Avant b 1850 marion Co SC d 1928 Whiteville, NC buried in Pleasant Hill Cemetery John married Sarah "Sally" Shelly in 1875 She died 1924 in Red Springs NC They had daughter Bessie Mae Avant b 1900 Marion Co SC Bessie married George Vernon Butler Thomas and Drucilla/Priscilla also had children Melvina and Baker Baler married Flora? and they had children Hattie Bb 1-1-1882 d 10-21 or31 1926, Julius S or B b 6-21-1878 d 5-11- 1906 or 1908, Troy b 8-5-1886 d 6-14-1918, E. Boyd)?) b 6-1885, Cisroe b 3-1892 and Lucile E b 7-1894 I hpe this is not too much trobule to decipher but was the only I knew to send it. Thanks for any help. Paula Beatrice Avant Worthington Friedrichs Next family - Sam S Avant married Martha Jordan in Gallivants Ferry SC There children were Mary, Cherry, Ann, Jordan, Harley, Wade Woodson (W.W.), and Ella Next family Henry Bennett Avant b 10-31-1877 d 5-14-1938 buried at Reedy Creek Cemetery SC father was Jordan Gause Avant and mother was Margaret Dozier Avant Henry married Laura Daisy Coleman b 10-3-1882 d 7-11-1960 buried at Reedy Creek Cemetery SC Her parents were Jesse L Coleman and Celia Laura Godbold Coleman There children were: Margaret Grace b4-22-1907, Evelyn Evangel b5-5-1909, Gladys b 2-1-1911, Henry Bennett Jr b 7-29-1915, Flora Daisy b 5-21-1917, Johnsie Whilden, b 1-8-1921, Irma V, b 10-23-1923 Earl Stanley b 10-7-192?

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1C848FF8E7D106250E69411C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Causey, Jordan, Martin, and Related Families List Members: You are cordially invited to the below cited three tombstone and Iron Cross dedication ceremony honoring Asa Garden Causey, James Perry Jordan, and Zebedee R. Jordan (memorial stone, he died at Jackson Confederate Hospital in Richmond on July 31, 1864) and is probably buried in Hollywood Cemetery) at Campground Cemetery in Conway on Saturday, February 26. The Musical Prelude and Registration will start at 10:30 A.M. and the Ceremony will begin at 11:00 A.M.. It will be a wonderful time to meet your cousins, see some folks that you haven't seen in years, and help us honor these three gentlemen. Refreshments will be served at the fellowship hall of Willow Springs United Methodist Church following the ceremony. Bring a lawn chair and a floral offering, if possible, as we will decorate their graves as part of the ceremony. Please contact me if you would like to receive a copy of the Dedication Program or should you know of someone who would. Sincerely ----- Carol Causey Harper and Julian --------------1C848FF8E7D106250E69411C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3881EB55.998C5668@mpinet.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:01:25 -0500 From: popmom7957@mpinet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Fwd: [SCHORRY-L] Tombstone Dedication Ceremony] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0149557CD53B34BCD69298FC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0149557CD53B34BCD69298FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit January 16, 2000 Dear Members: The below described three tombstone dedication ceremony for Asa Garden Causey, James Perry Jordan and Zebedee Jordan has been firmly established as taking place on Saturday, February 26, 2000 at Campground Cemetery in Conway at 10:00 p.m. . All descendents are invited to come and participate. We are still in need of a sololist or vocalists to help us out during the musical portion of the ceremony. For additional details and a Ceremony Program please contact me. Julian --------------0149557CD53B34BCD69298FC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38495A6F.6B509D5C@mpinet.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:16:15 -0500 From: popmom7957@mpinet.net Reply-To: SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCHORRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCHORRY-L] Tombstone Dedication Ceremony Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, December 4, 1999 Dear Rootsweb Memebers: Since I have not received any responses to the below message re. the tombstone dedication ceremony for Asa Garden Causey, James Perry Jordan, and Zebedee Jordan, I am guessing that you may not realize that you are related to these three gentlemen, so I decided to try again and list the names of Asa's and James Perry's children in the hope that that may help you recognize one or more of your ancestors: 1. ASA GARDEN: and Francis Martin Causey's 10 children (best available evidence): 1/ Henry Dudley "H.D." married Mary Francis Martin 2/ William Francis "Uncle Billy" married Caroline Olympus Brown and then Laura Hardee 3/ Ozella "Zell" or Ella married R. Thomas Jolly 4/ Sarah Alive married George A. Mathew Brown 5/ Francis Ella married William Henry King 6/ Charles nathan married Mary Brock and then Martha Jane "Missy" Hardee 7/ Frederick "Fred" believed to have married Donna Young 8/ Asa Ole married Anne Gertrude Peters then Mary Vera Shaw, and the Roberta Bennett 9/ Samuel "Sam" R. possibly married Dora Jordan 10/ Clara Lou married William Curtis Brock, Jr. Asa's second wife was Emily Beaty and her father was named Thomas S. Beaty. Emily had a son named Dam and her brother's name was William Beaty Asa was the son of Zebedee and Jane Causey and his brothers and sisters were William G.,Ezekiel Dix, Matha Jane "Patty" (wife of James Perry Jordan), Charlott, Ara, Temperance, Sarah Margaret. Zebedee Jr. "Sonny" 2. JAMES PERRY JORDAN: married Martha Jane "Patty" Causey and they had 7 known children as follows: 1/ William Thomas "Tom" married Mary Merle 2/ Zebedee, one of honorees died in Jackson Confederate Hospital, no know kids 3/ Orilla Jordan married Calvin King and then Cornelius Sarvis Beaty 4/ Lafayette "L.F." or "Fate" married Sarah Margaret Brown 5/ Mary Jordan, no records, must have died young 6/ Melvina "Mellie" Jordan married Benjamin Berry Hardee 7/ Perry C. Jordan, no records, must have died young James Perry Jordan's father was belived to be William, brothers William Perry, John, and Hugh Jordan. Not much else is known re. the Jordans except that I have noticed a number of List members are researching that surname. Please let me hear from you if any of these names "ring a bell" and you would like to attend the gravestone ceremony mentioned below for February 26, 2000, however, all interested parties are invited but please contact me ASAP so that I can get a head count. Thanks----Julian Dear Asa Garden Causey and James Perry Jordan Descendents: Please take notice that on Saturday, February 26, 2000, at 11:00 A.M. ( this date is definite but time of day is only probable), we will be holding a three tombstone dedication ceremony at Campground Cemetery in Conway, to honor Asa Garden Causey, James Perry Jordan and his son Zebedee Jordan. It would be wonderful to have as many descendents and related lines turn out as possible. We have obtained three tombstones from the Veterans Administration and they are in Conway awaiting their erection. We have, in addition, obtained two Confederate iron Crosses to mark their graves which will also be erected for the ceremony. Please contact me so that I can get a head count of the expected attendees ASAP and for further details as to the ceremony. All available data points to Asa Garden being buried in Campground along with his second wife, Emily Beaty, her brother, one of his brothers and two sisters etc. and numerous Causey kin. We do not, however, have conclusive evidence as to his burial location and urgently urge anyone that does, to please contact me ASAP. James Perry is buried next to his wife, Asa's sister, Martha Jane "Patty" Causey Jordan. James' and Martha Janes' son, Zebedee Jordan died in Jackson Confederate Hospital in Richmond, VA on July 31, 1864, so his stone will be a "memorial" or cenotaph. Your Cuz---Carol Causey Harper and Hubby Julian ==== SCHORRY Mailing List ==== More Horry County Listmember sites.. 6. Jerri Lynne Smith stowes@FMTC.Net http//www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2350. 7. Vicky Hammond vlhammond@email.msn.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vhammond/index.htm 8. Tawny Green tawnyg@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~tawnyg 9. Carol Norton cnorton@centex.net http\\www.geocities.com/heartland/ridge/3703 10. Mary Ellen Wexler <mewexler@buffnet.net> >http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/ --------------0149557CD53B34BCD69298FC-- --------------1C848FF8E7D106250E69411C--