> [Original Message] > From: Elaine Neuhaus <elaneu@dnet.net> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/17/2003 9:12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. > > Don asked that I go into more detail about direct and indirect. > > I was unable to find the FHL International film numbers when I went to > FamilySearch which is the website for the Family History Library in Salt > Lake City. So one of the volunteers at the FHC that I go to, was kind enough > to look up the numbers for me. I have a few pages printed out with the film > numbers for "direct" and can give them the ones for the years from 1850 to > 1877 otherwise you would have to get them from your nearest FHC. The ones I > have are for emigrants leaving from Hamburg Germany. "Direct" international > film numbers are those passenger lists for those who left one port in > Germany and sailed directly to the US. "Indirect" international film numbers > are those passenger list for those who left one port in Germany and arrived > in another port such as Havre France. Then they left from there and sailed > to the US. For the first ancestor family that I was searching, I found them > on the Ships Transcribers list arriving in NY on June 5, 1867. The top of > the first page said that the ship sailed from Hamburg to New York. Since I > did not know how long they would be at sea, I started looking for my "folks" > in April 1867 but then found them leaving Hamburg less than three weeks > before their arriving. The second ancestor family that I found, again on the > Ships Transcribers list, arrived in NY in June 1872 and the top of the first > page said that they left Hamburg and Havre. So when the film I ordered > arrives, I will have to allow travel time for them having changed ships. > > I have been looking at the Ships Transcribers list on the internet for a > long time and just recently found my ancestors. They are constantly adding > ships to their website and I keep a record of the ones I have looked at so > that I don't spend time looking again at the same ships! Both of these > families left from Hamburg but there are films for other departing ports in > Germany. I plan to eventually order some of those films in the future even > though I don't know what ship or ships other ancestors sailed on. Since I > know the years they emigrated plus that they came from Germany, I plan to > take the time to order and search everything available. My biggest problem > is the fact that they do not have printers only film readers at the FHC I go > to. But my volunteer friend who helped me find the FHL International > numbers, also used her digital camera to film the pages that had my > ancestors on them. Any questions? I hope I made the above clear. Another > interesting thing I found was that some of the lists departing from Hamburg > had emigrants from other countries listed. Example, someone leaving a port > in Sweden might have traveled to Hamburg and then from Hamburg to Havre > and/or the US. As long as you know the year they emigrated, you might find > that they made a few stops along the way. > > I still have the film for "direct" from Hamburg to the US for 1867. I could > probably plan one day next week to look at the film again before returning > it to Salt Lake. If that would help someone, I would be glad to do it but I > would not be able to print out a copy of the page or pages. I could only try > to decipher what I read and then type it to send. > > Good luck, hope this helps ya'll. > > Elaine Larson Neuhaus from the north GA mtns. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Watson" <dwat@cox.net> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. > > > > Great idea, Elaine. Perhaps you can go into more detail about "direct" and > > "indirect" and even post the direct URL for the FHL at SLC. > > > > An exhaustive Ships Passenger Lists site is found at > > http://members.cox.net/hessen/ships.htm > > > > which should answer lots of questions, as well as help identify > passengers. > > > > :-) > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Elaine Neuhaus" <elaneu@dnet.net> > > My suggestion for you would be to order from FHL the international films > for > > 1886, order the one for direct first and if you don't find him on that > film > > then order the one for indirect. > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie > hier: > > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm > > > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm