Dear Listers, GERMANS TO AMERICA by William Filby and Ira Glazier is one of these sources, if your Schleswig-Holstein ancestors came after 1850. These volumes are on CD-Rom and there may be a kind soul on this list, who owns them and might just search for your ancestor. These gentleman did not index every ship, but only those with 80% and above being from Germany. By the way these volumes are also in many libraries throughtout the U.S. The Family History Library in Salt Lake has copies of the Hamburg Passenger Lists, which began in 1850. These give the last place of residence of an individual. You can order these to be sent to one of their branch libraries. Also, you can pay to have the research done through the Website online for these Passenger Lists. I might add, if you order the films or visit the main library, the index is only by first letter, so you need to search through all the S's, if the surname starts with an S. Another thing that I might add is that sometimes more names starting with a certain letter might be somewhere between the other letters or at the end of the alphabet. For instance, you might find more D surnames interjected between the letters K and L or you might find the S, which is quite a common first letter for German surnames after the Z. Carefully turn the film to make sure that the index for your letter is all in the same place. Still another thing that I need to say about th! is index is that the name of the captain, the name of the ship and the day and month that it sailed are set-off in a little box thing. Each page has two columns, so you need to maybe go several columns back to find the little box at the beginning of that ship's manifest for your letter. The last thing that I want to say about these records is that there is an direct list and an indirect list. All ships sailing from Hamburg that went directly to their port of destination is on the direct index and direct list. Other ships sailed to ports, such as Liverpool, etc. and these are on the indirect index. You need to search both indexes for your ancestor. The New York Passenger Lists are not indexed entirely. The index for them begins in 1820 and then goes to 1846 and then it picks up again in 1893. The greatest number of Germans came during the years that it is not indexed. Filby and Glazier helps span this unindexed space, but as I previously stated it is not complete, since any ship with less than 80% Germans was not indexed in their volumes. Another set of indexes by William Filby can be helpful and these are his cumulative indexes of passenger lists in print. A relative of mine was searching for a woman's origins in Germany. She found a Louise Capple in one of these indexes at the Family History Library. A library employee had been assigned to write the library's call number for every book that we had in his bibliography. Luckily, we had this book for the Prussian part of the Saarland and the woman was from Niederalben. Many libraries in this country has copies of these passenger indexes. As to not make this e-mail too long, I will only talk about one more source for Holstein. I found a little book about Heraldry for that area and it lists several surnames and where you might find people in Holstein with that name. I had a LUEBKENS ancestor in Heide and he was one of my brickwalls. This little volume contained a shield for that family and it gave me the clue to search for the Heide shoemakers with that surname in Delve. My man was a shoemaker and I found his christening entry in the Delve records. If anyone is interested, I will post that index from that book again for everyone. You may e-mail me, if your surname appears in the index. Karla Nurnberg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search