It was the folks from Bremen that I had contact with, Klaus. My Grandfather emigrated in March of 1885 embarking from Bremen. (My regular computer is in the shop and I am on my laptop.) My grandmother and her daughter embarked from Hamburg in 1886. Neither record was available for those dates as they were lost or destroyed according to their offices. I was forever grateful to him though as it was he who put me in contact with someone at the records office which ended in my being able to get my grandfathers marriage record, and my Aunt's birth record. I guess he felt sorry for me at the time. I know my Grandfather came legally as my mother had his service discharge papers early in the last century, but destroyed them at the advice of some idiots in WW1. Anyway, the gentleman's email is on my other computer, and I can't give you the precise timeline. When it comes back, I will give the precise dates that he said were missing. Dorothea -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Klaus Struve Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Old News Dorothea, the records of departures from Hamburg (passenger lists) are fairly complete. The early 1850 ' ies are not exhaustive as not every small number of emigrants were registered (under 25 persons, I think). 62 passenger lists of the year 1853, from Jan. to mid May, are lost. The records of departures from Bremen(passenger lists) for the whole 19 th century were destroyed. Nobody saw a good reason for keeping them. They were simply thrown away. I replied to Klaus Riecken in a bilateral mail. His question (in German) was if there was any insight as to how large the portion of illegal emigrants was, the ones who left without permits, especially the young men who were in a draftable age. I think the statistics I published must have come from port authorities, as only they would have known the destinations of emigration, and the exact count. And therefore, I think that the figures include the illegal emigrants, as well. They did not swim over to America. But I dare not take a guess at the question how big their percentage was of the total. With greetings from the roots, Klaus (Struve), in Kiel, SH www.rootdigger.de -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:34:41 -0700 > Von: "Dorothea Sanderson" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Old News > I have been told that the records of departure for 1885 and 1886 are no > longer available. I don't remember the reason now, but as I recall, they > were destroyed, and a period has been lost. > > Dorothea > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Klaus > Struve > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Old News > > The "Neustaedter Wochenblatt" reported on March 1, 1893 : > > There were 3.901 emigrants from the province Schleswig-Holstein > who left for overseas destinations in the year 1892. > 3.299 left through the port of Hamburg, 598 from Bremen, and only > 4 from other ports. > > 3.620 emigrated to the USA > 75 to British North America > 5 to Mexico and Central America > 4 to the West Indian Islands > 65 to Brazil > 36 to Argentina > 21 to Chile > 8 to other South American states > 28 to Africa > 6 to Asia > 32 to Australia and Polynesia. > > In the year 1891, there were 4.207 emigrants, > in the year 1890, there were 3.917 emigrants, > in the year 1889, there were 4.578 emigrants, > in the year 1888, there were 4.433 emigrants, > in the year 1887, there were 4.219 emigrants, > in the year 1886, there were 4.139 emigrants, > in the year 1885, there were 6.305 emigrants, > in the year 1884, there were 8.137 emigrants, > in the year 1883, there were 9.452 emigrants, > > who left the province Schleswig-Holstein for overseas destinations. > > > (Freely translated by) > > Klaus Struve, Kiel, SH > > www.rootdigger.de > > > > -- > Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + > Telefonanschluss > für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message