Actually, I managed to get a copy of my grandfather's birth certificate via e-mail from S-H. On 5/15/2012 2:34 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: versayse > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6434/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I was wondering if anybody has had any luck contacting offices in S-H by email to see if they have records before going through the (very slow) process of sending a physical letter and payment first. > > I am guessing not, but wanted to check. Or at least do the offices respond by email, if an address is provided, to let you know if they find nothing? > > The idea of randomly sending dozens of letters to various German localities is somewhat daunting. > > Any tips would be appreciated, thanks! > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: norton672 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6431.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hundreds of HAGENs here: http://meta.genealogy.net/search/index Good luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmbelia Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6432.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Nothing that matches but here is listing of Gregersen burials in Clinton County, Iowa - you might find something that fits. GREGENSEN HENRICH M. 1856 12/09/1917 Davpt IA 12/11/1917 M/W 61 SPRINGDALE 19 50 GREGENSEN JACOB C. 1851 08/14/1933 Clinton IA 08/17/1933 M/W 82 Father SPRINGDALE 19 50 GREGENSEN KATHERINE M. 1861 11/15/1931 Clinton IA 11/17/1931 F/W 70 Mother SPRINGDALE 19 50 GREGERSEN ALFRED S. 07/27/1927 06/15/1983 06/18/1983 OAKLAND - CL NEW - H 15 1 GREGERSEN ANNA B. 1852 2/26/1905 Clinton IA F/W 32 Mother SPRINGDALE 14 6 GREGERSEN ANNA H. 01/01/1865 02/18/1904 02/21/1904 Wife of Carsten OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 5 GREGERSEN BENJAMIN H. 1892 5/18/1905 CLINTN LAWN West Lawn 7 GREGERSEN CARSTEN 02/02/1856 11/11/1941 11/14/1941 OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 2 GREGERSEN CLARA 02/21/1963 No Marker OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 4 GREGERSEN DAVID O. 1933 05/18/1941 Clinton IA 05/21/1941 M/W 7 SPRINGDALE D 97 GREGERSEN EDDIE 08/18/1899 ELK RIVER TWP SMITH/ALMT GREGERSEN EDMUND 08/18/1899 08/20/1899 19 yrs, 9 mo - Son of C. C. & A. H. OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 3 GREGERSEN EDWARD C. 1918 6/4/1905 CLINTN LAWN West Lawn 7 GREGERSEN ELLA O. 1895 6/9/1905 CLINTN LAWN West Lawn 7 GREGERSEN FREDRICH 05/19/1894 No Marker OAKLAND - CL OLD - 5 22 8 GREGERSEN IRENE JENSEN MACHANDE 02/28/1926 12/08/2005 Sabula IA 12/10/2005 F/W 79 Born: on a farm near Andover, IA - Married 10/22/1947 in Preston, IA - Wife of John Phillip Machande - Married 1/4/1969 - Wife of Frank Gregersen CLINTN LAWN Garden Lawn 5 R GREGERSEN JOHANNA 1859 4/15/1905 04/30/1932 OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 6 GREGERSEN JOHANNA 1850 07/02/1909 Clinton IA 07/04/1909 F/W 59 Mother SPRINGDALE 14 6 GREGERSEN JOHN 1890 5/20/1905 02/01/1967 OAKLAND - CL NEW - F 24 4 GREGERSEN MARGARET 1923 04/17/1940 04/19/1940 OAKLAND - CL NEW - H 15 3 GREGERSEN MARY F. 01/16/1864 03/13/1925 03/16/1925 OAKLAND - CL NEW - B 54 1 GREGERSEN MARY H. HAGENS 1893 09/09/1934 09/12/1934 Wife of John OAKLAND - CL NEW - F 24 6 GREGERSEN MINNIE 1886 1/12/1905 SAINT BONIFACE 4 2 GREGERSEN NELLIE E. 04/12/1968 Clinton IA 04/16/1968 F/W 79 No Stone SPRINGDALE 97 GREGERSEN PETER C. 1885 4/29/1905 09/20/1946 OAKLAND - CL NEW - H 15 2 GREGERSEN UNKNOWN 09/27/1892 No Marker OAKLAND - CL OLD - 5 22 7 GREGERSON ALBERT 1893 5/23/1905 RSEHL CAM B 15 GREGERSON CHRIS H. 1881 01/13/1952 Clinton IA 01/16/1952 M/W 70 SPRINGDALE 12 108 GREGERSON HANNAH L. 1872 02/11/1949 Clinton IA 02/13/1949 F/W 76 SPRINGDALE 12 108 GREGERSON HARVEY S. 1898 04/10/1950 Clinton IA 04/13/1950 M/W 52 SPRINGDALE C 97 GREGERSON JOHN K. 1907 09/01/1963 Clinton IA 09/03/1963 M/W 56 SPRINGDALE 12 108 GREGERSON VERNA S. 09/25/1895 08/24/1977 App. B RSEHL CAM B 15 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: searcher93 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6432/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been searching for any information regarding my great grandfather Erich Matz Greggersen or possibly Gregersen. He immigrated to the USA sometime prior to or between 1868 - 1873. He married Anne Mariah Renner and they settled in St. Louis, MO. Living in their household was a William Frank. Both Erick and William were carpenters and Erick supposedly had a carpentry business in St. Louis. It is also possible that these two men immigrated from Germany at the same time??? Oral history in the family has said Erick was Danish. But, the 1880 US Census for St. Louis, MO lists his place of birth and those of his parents as Germany. I am not sure where to even begin to try and locate information that my help me in my research. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated!! Susan Holsan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mkd1431 Surnames: Hagen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6431/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ancestors lived in Neumunster, Holstein Germany. They departed from Hamburg on May 9 1882. Friedrich born Oct 2 1857 and Augusta Jan 30 1860. Looking for any info on their parents and family in Germany. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi List, On behalf of a good friend of mine who is tracing her family tree, she has a Hans Jorgen Heidemann born 1858 from Ellehuus Schleswig and died in Queensland Australia 1924, his wife is a Nicoline Jensen who was born 9 Jul 1846 at Kragebol, Kjerhurt Germany. Any help in tracing this family will be much appreciated. In my own research I am tracing all Bünning's, Bünnig's of the area of Plön, Eutin, Neukirchen and Malente. Kind regards Wayne Bünning

Hi John, Good point, I'd forgotten "Our Daily Bread" may be more about parts of Germany other than the northern regions. I think it's somewhat of a conglomeration of how life was in those times and the author may not have specifically studied villages in the northern regions. I seem to remember she states that in the book. Prior to my reading it I remember several people including the author saying it would reflect general living conditions in that era however. One thing in the book that did conflict with what I've been told by others was the issue of illegitimate offspring. The book states it was a social stigma while others have told me it was somewhat accepted due to the landowners refusal to allow a serf's marriage among other reasons. Someone also mentioned here recently that finances often prevented couples from becoming married in some cases as well. Again I've always thought it odd that my female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his father's name and I really want to find out who he was. I'm far from an expert on the subject and only relate the little I've read and been told by others. Bob A. On 5/11/12 4:29 PM, John Rasch wrote: > Bob& List, > Does the book refered to ("Our Daily Bread") reference life in this northern area of what is now Germany also? Are there other source materials that describe common life historically? > John > > From: Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> > Message-ID:<4FAC43A1.2000702@cfl.rr.com> > A book "Our Daily Bread" by Teva Scheer is a very good read about German > village life 1500 / 1850. > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob & List, Does the book refered to ("Our Daily Bread") reference life in this northern area of what is now Germany also? Are there other source materials that describe common life historically? John From: Bob <HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4FAC43A1.2000702@cfl.rr.com> A book "Our Daily Bread" by Teva Scheer is a very good read about German village life 1500 / 1850.

A book "Our Daily Bread" by Teva Scheer is a very good read about German village life 1500 / 1850. Anyway, is there anyone who can tell me how to go about contacting village Lutheran parishes in the Itzehoe area to help with my quest ? Thanks, Bob A. On 5/10/12 6:20 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: > I know that lots of times there was not enough money to get married and > start a home and a lot of the time the father was off in the wars or off > working. So the mother lived with her parents until such time they could > get married. > > Gail > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >> I'm told that in serfdom couples did from time to time live as a family >> if the landowner would not grant permission for marriage. In that case >> sometimes the child was given the father's name or I'm told that >> sometimes there was an intention to marry after the birth of the child >> and the child would take the father's name. That may have been the case >> in my instance and perhaps yours. >> >> On 5/10/12 10:24 AM, Earl Hoffman wrote: >>> I was only following this thread with mild interest when I realized that >> I have a similar situation. >>> My 2G Grandfather Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann was born in 1803 in >> Testorf, Holstein, to Dorothea Elisabeth Wenstorf, who said, at her son's >> baptism at the Lutheran Church in Hansuehn, Holstein, that the father's >> name was Johann Friedrich Hoffmann of Eutin, Holstein. When the son was >> married in Eutin, Holstein in 1830 he was named as "Carl Hinrich Wilhelm >> Hoffmann, illegitimate son of the unmarried >>> Dorothea Elisabeth Wentorf." The son was known his entire life as Carl >> Hoffmann during his time in Holstein, 2 marriages and emigration to the US. >>> So this is an example of the child carrying his father's surname when >> the father and mother were clearly not married. I am not aware that the >> mother ever married but I just now realize that I may not have looked into >> the possibility that the mother and father eventually married. I have not >> been able to identify the father further although I have found the parents >> of the mother. >>> Earl Hoffman (maybe?) >>> New Mexico >>> >>> ============ >>> >>> On May 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Bob wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Gail, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your response. I understand your problem in identifying your >>>> # ? g'grandfather. That makes me wonder even more at the fact that my >>>> WENDEL (WETZEL) female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his >>>> father's name. I think that's unusual. From what I can find there were >>>> several ARMBRUST residents in the area at the time too so I'm leaning >>>> toward the possibility of one of them being his father. There seem to >>>> be no official records of this family further back than the 1803 census, >>>> at least none that I can find. I don't know where to look for parish >>>> records and cannot afford a professional to help with a local search. >>>> Perhaps someone in this group could help with information of a local >>>> parish to whom I can write. I'm quite sure it would be a non Catholic >>>> parish as my family are not of that faith. I'm at a dead end here so >>>> any lead at all will worth investigating. >>>> >>>> This item is at the top of my "bucket list". :) >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Bob Armbrust >>>> >>>> Florida, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/9/12 11:07 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: >>>>> I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's >>>>> maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records >> call >>>>> him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really >>>>> Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that >> line >>>>> proving Nottelmann heritage. >>>>> >>>>> Gail >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm new to this group. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe >>>>>> census. >>>>>> >>>>>> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) >>>>>> >>>>>> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 >>>>>> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) >>>>>> >>>>>> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) >>>>>> >>>>>> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his >>>>>> stepfather) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it >>>>>> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her >> illegitimate >>>>>> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married >>>>>> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father >> lived >>>>>> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to >> anyone. >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob ARMBRUST >>>>>> >>>>>> Port Orange, FL USA >>> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >>> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >>> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I know that lots of times there was not enough money to get married and start a home and a lot of the time the father was off in the wars or off working. So the mother lived with her parents until such time they could get married. Gail On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Bob <HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > I'm told that in serfdom couples did from time to time live as a family > if the landowner would not grant permission for marriage. In that case > sometimes the child was given the father's name or I'm told that > sometimes there was an intention to marry after the birth of the child > and the child would take the father's name. That may have been the case > in my instance and perhaps yours. > > On 5/10/12 10:24 AM, Earl Hoffman wrote: > > I was only following this thread with mild interest when I realized that > I have a similar situation. > > > > My 2G Grandfather Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann was born in 1803 in > Testorf, Holstein, to Dorothea Elisabeth Wenstorf, who said, at her son's > baptism at the Lutheran Church in Hansuehn, Holstein, that the father's > name was Johann Friedrich Hoffmann of Eutin, Holstein. When the son was > married in Eutin, Holstein in 1830 he was named as "Carl Hinrich Wilhelm > Hoffmann, illegitimate son of the unmarried > > Dorothea Elisabeth Wentorf." The son was known his entire life as Carl > Hoffmann during his time in Holstein, 2 marriages and emigration to the US. > > > > So this is an example of the child carrying his father's surname when > the father and mother were clearly not married. I am not aware that the > mother ever married but I just now realize that I may not have looked into > the possibility that the mother and father eventually married. I have not > been able to identify the father further although I have found the parents > of the mother. > > > > Earl Hoffman (maybe?) > > New Mexico > > > > ============ > > > > On May 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Bob wrote: > > > >> Hello Gail, > >> > >> Thanks for your response. I understand your problem in identifying your > >> # ? g'grandfather. That makes me wonder even more at the fact that my > >> WENDEL (WETZEL) female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his > >> father's name. I think that's unusual. From what I can find there were > >> several ARMBRUST residents in the area at the time too so I'm leaning > >> toward the possibility of one of them being his father. There seem to > >> be no official records of this family further back than the 1803 census, > >> at least none that I can find. I don't know where to look for parish > >> records and cannot afford a professional to help with a local search. > >> Perhaps someone in this group could help with information of a local > >> parish to whom I can write. I'm quite sure it would be a non Catholic > >> parish as my family are not of that faith. I'm at a dead end here so > >> any lead at all will worth investigating. > >> > >> This item is at the top of my "bucket list". :) > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> > >> Bob Armbrust > >> > >> Florida, USA > >> > >> > >> On 5/9/12 11:07 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: > >>> I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's > >>> maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records > call > >>> him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really > >>> Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that > line > >>> proving Nottelmann heritage. > >>> > >>> Gail > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm new to this group. > >>>> > >>>> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe > >>>> census. > >>>> > >>>> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) > >>>> > >>>> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 > >>>> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) > >>>> > >>>> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) > >>>> > >>>> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his > >>>> stepfather) > >>>> > >>>> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it > >>>> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her > illegitimate > >>>> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married > >>>> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father > lived > >>>> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? > >>>> > >>>> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to > anyone. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you. > >>>> > >>>> Bob ARMBRUST > >>>> > >>>> Port Orange, FL USA > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --

I'm told that in serfdom couples did from time to time live as a family if the landowner would not grant permission for marriage. In that case sometimes the child was given the father's name or I'm told that sometimes there was an intention to marry after the birth of the child and the child would take the father's name. That may have been the case in my instance and perhaps yours. On 5/10/12 10:24 AM, Earl Hoffman wrote: > I was only following this thread with mild interest when I realized that I have a similar situation. > > My 2G Grandfather Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann was born in 1803 in Testorf, Holstein, to Dorothea Elisabeth Wenstorf, who said, at her son's baptism at the Lutheran Church in Hansuehn, Holstein, that the father's name was Johann Friedrich Hoffmann of Eutin, Holstein. When the son was married in Eutin, Holstein in 1830 he was named as "Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann, illegitimate son of the unmarried > Dorothea Elisabeth Wentorf." The son was known his entire life as Carl Hoffmann during his time in Holstein, 2 marriages and emigration to the US. > > So this is an example of the child carrying his father's surname when the father and mother were clearly not married. I am not aware that the mother ever married but I just now realize that I may not have looked into the possibility that the mother and father eventually married. I have not been able to identify the father further although I have found the parents of the mother. > > Earl Hoffman (maybe?) > New Mexico > > ============ > > On May 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Bob wrote: > >> Hello Gail, >> >> Thanks for your response. I understand your problem in identifying your >> # ? g'grandfather. That makes me wonder even more at the fact that my >> WENDEL (WETZEL) female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his >> father's name. I think that's unusual. From what I can find there were >> several ARMBRUST residents in the area at the time too so I'm leaning >> toward the possibility of one of them being his father. There seem to >> be no official records of this family further back than the 1803 census, >> at least none that I can find. I don't know where to look for parish >> records and cannot afford a professional to help with a local search. >> Perhaps someone in this group could help with information of a local >> parish to whom I can write. I'm quite sure it would be a non Catholic >> parish as my family are not of that faith. I'm at a dead end here so >> any lead at all will worth investigating. >> >> This item is at the top of my "bucket list". :) >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Bob Armbrust >> >> Florida, USA >> >> >> On 5/9/12 11:07 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: >>> I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's >>> maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records call >>> him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really >>> Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that line >>> proving Nottelmann heritage. >>> >>> Gail >>> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm new to this group. >>>> >>>> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe >>>> census. >>>> >>>> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) >>>> >>>> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 >>>> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) >>>> >>>> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) >>>> >>>> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his >>>> stepfather) >>>> >>>> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it >>>> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate >>>> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married >>>> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived >>>> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? >>>> >>>> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. >>>> >>>> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Bob ARMBRUST >>>> >>>> Port Orange, FL USA > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I got a lot of the information that I have from the site AKDZ.de before it became a subscription only site which it now is. The same information is available to the best of my knowledge at "ddd.dda.dk" (Danish) less quotes at no charge. It's a bit complicated but doable. I think the GOOGLE translation site will be of use to you with this. Good luck. Bob A. On 5/10/12 10:26 AM, Dorothy Keck wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in finding STEENBOCK in the Itzhoe census - which I did not > know was available. How do I connect with this census? Do they have a web > site?. Thank you > > Dot Keck in Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob"<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> > To:<SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:40 PM > Subject: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Itzehoe census 1803 > > >> Hello, >> >> I'm new to this group. >> >> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe >> census. >> >> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) >> >> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 >> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) >> >> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) >> >> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his >> stepfather) >> >> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it >> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate >> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married >> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived >> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? >> >> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. >> >> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Bob ARMBRUST >> >> Port Orange, FL USA >> >> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I'm interested in finding STEENBOCK in the Itzhoe census - which I did not know was available. How do I connect with this census? Do they have a web site?. Thank you Dot Keck in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Itzehoe census 1803 > Hello, > > I'm new to this group. > > I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe > census. > > Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) > > her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 > Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) > > her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) > > her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his > stepfather) > > I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it > unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate > son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married > later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived > as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? > > Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. > > I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. > > Thank you. > > Bob ARMBRUST > > Port Orange, FL USA > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was only following this thread with mild interest when I realized that I have a similar situation. My 2G Grandfather Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann was born in 1803 in Testorf, Holstein, to Dorothea Elisabeth Wenstorf, who said, at her son's baptism at the Lutheran Church in Hansuehn, Holstein, that the father's name was Johann Friedrich Hoffmann of Eutin, Holstein. When the son was married in Eutin, Holstein in 1830 he was named as "Carl Hinrich Wilhelm Hoffmann, illegitimate son of the unmarried Dorothea Elisabeth Wentorf." The son was known his entire life as Carl Hoffmann during his time in Holstein, 2 marriages and emigration to the US. So this is an example of the child carrying his father's surname when the father and mother were clearly not married. I am not aware that the mother ever married but I just now realize that I may not have looked into the possibility that the mother and father eventually married. I have not been able to identify the father further although I have found the parents of the mother. Earl Hoffman (maybe?) New Mexico ============ On May 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Bob wrote: > Hello Gail, > > Thanks for your response. I understand your problem in identifying your > # ? g'grandfather. That makes me wonder even more at the fact that my > WENDEL (WETZEL) female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his > father's name. I think that's unusual. From what I can find there were > several ARMBRUST residents in the area at the time too so I'm leaning > toward the possibility of one of them being his father. There seem to > be no official records of this family further back than the 1803 census, > at least none that I can find. I don't know where to look for parish > records and cannot afford a professional to help with a local search. > Perhaps someone in this group could help with information of a local > parish to whom I can write. I'm quite sure it would be a non Catholic > parish as my family are not of that faith. I'm at a dead end here so > any lead at all will worth investigating. > > This item is at the top of my "bucket list". :) > > Thanks again, > > Bob Armbrust > > Florida, USA > > > On 5/9/12 11:07 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: >> I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's >> maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records call >> him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really >> Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that line >> proving Nottelmann heritage. >> >> Gail >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm new to this group. >>> >>> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe >>> census. >>> >>> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) >>> >>> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 >>> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) >>> >>> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) >>> >>> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his >>> stepfather) >>> >>> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it >>> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate >>> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married >>> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived >>> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? >>> >>> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. >>> >>> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Bob ARMBRUST >>> >>> Port Orange, FL USA

Hello Gail, Thanks for your response. I understand your problem in identifying your # ? g'grandfather. That makes me wonder even more at the fact that my WENDEL (WETZEL) female ancestor had her illegitimate son take his father's name. I think that's unusual. From what I can find there were several ARMBRUST residents in the area at the time too so I'm leaning toward the possibility of one of them being his father. There seem to be no official records of this family further back than the 1803 census, at least none that I can find. I don't know where to look for parish records and cannot afford a professional to help with a local search. Perhaps someone in this group could help with information of a local parish to whom I can write. I'm quite sure it would be a non Catholic parish as my family are not of that faith. I'm at a dead end here so any lead at all will worth investigating. This item is at the top of my "bucket list". :) Thanks again, Bob Armbrust Florida, USA On 5/9/12 11:07 PM, Gail Kilgore wrote: > I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's > maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records call > him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really > Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that line > proving Nottelmann heritage. > > Gail > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob<HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm new to this group. >> >> I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe >> census. >> >> Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) >> >> her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 >> Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) >> >> her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) >> >> her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his >> stepfather) >> >> I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it >> unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate >> son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married >> later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived >> as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? >> >> Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. >> >> I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Bob ARMBRUST >> >> Port Orange, FL USA >> >> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have the same situation. Only my ? g grandfather took his mother's maiden name as he couldn't use the name of his father.. church records call him a "Sailor in the North Sea". So our Nottelmann line is not really Nottelmann but Sailor of the North Sea... there will be no DNA on that line proving Nottelmann heritage. Gail On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Bob <HDBiker1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this group. > > I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe > census. > > Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) > > her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 > Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) > > her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) > > her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his > stepfather) > > I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it > unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate > son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married > later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived > as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? > > Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. > > I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. > > Thank you. > > Bob ARMBRUST > > Port Orange, FL USA > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --

Hello, I'm new to this group. I'm looking for any information for family No. 315 in the 1803 Itzehoe census. Margarethe WENDEL (WETZEL) dob 1767 Itzehoe, GR (my 4th g'grandmother) her son illegitimate son Johann Matthias Anton ARMBRUST dob 1789 Itzehoe, GR (my 3rd g'grandfather) her daughter Margarethe DAMMANN dob 1802 Itzehoe, GR (his 1/2 sister) her husband Heinrich DAMMANN dob 1757 Itzehoe, GR (??? not sure) (his stepfather) I am particularly interested in finding the father of Matthias. Is it unusual that an unmarried woman of that era would have her illegitimate son take the father's name ? Perhaps she and Matthias' father married later but before she married DAMMANN ? Perhaps she and the father lived as man and wife if the landowner refused permission for her to marry ? Any information anyone can help with at all will be most appreciated. I have Matthias' descendants to present day if that's of help to anyone. Thank you. Bob ARMBRUST Port Orange, FL USA

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