This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/637.1 Message Board Post: JOHN MICHAEL1 Bottger was born Abt. 1778 in Coburn Gotha Baden Germany1, and died Bef. 1850 in at sea. He married MARIA SOPHIE BADGER. Children of JOHN Bottger and MARIA BADGER are: 2. i. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER, b. June 30, 1819, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia; d. Aft. 1882. ii. HENRY BARMON BADGER, b. 1822, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia2; d. New Albany Floyd Co Indiana; m. MARTHA LEWIS, November 26, 1846, Clark Co Indiana3. iii. WILLIAM W BADGER, b. June 20, 1817, Efrurt Prussia4; d. March 20, 1888, Hawesville Kentucky5; m. (1) MARY ANN BURNETT, August 25, 1841, Hancock Co Kentucky6; m. (2) SARAH A, November 11, 1873, Hawesville Kentucky7; m. (3) MINERVA JANE BURNETT, March 1, 1877, Hancock Co Kentucky8Found in a book "The Diary of a Confederate Soldier" by John S. Jackman that William Badger called the "Old Guard" helped Jackman transport the Regiment's papers to Washington, GA during the end of the Civil War. iv. FREDERICKA BADGER, b. Abt. 1810. Generation No. 2 2. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER (JOHN MICHAEL1) was born June 30, 1819 in Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia9, and died Aft. 1882. He married LEREEN GREEN November 15, 1840 in clark Co Indiana10. Children of CHRISTIAN BADGER and LEREEN GREEN are: i. JOHN H3 BADGER, b. 1841, Charleston Clark Co Indiana11. ii. EDWARD B BADGER, b. 1842, Charleston Clark Co Indiana12; m. MARGARET. iii. LEWIS BADGER, b. September 10, 1845, Charleston Clark Co Indiana13; m. ADORA GRAEBE, July 29, 1867, Clark Co Indiana14. iv. EMILY MARY BADGER, b. 1849, Charleston Clark Co Indiana15; m. WILLIAM MASNER. v. HARRIET BADGER, b. 1851, Charleston Clark Co Indiana16; m. CHARLES REICH, September 24, 1871, Clark Co Indiana17. vi. MARTHA BADGER, b. 1853, Charleston Clark Co Indiana18. vii. CHRISTIAN BADGER, b. September 16, 1855, Charleston Clark Co Indiana19; m. NINA MORGAN. viii. WILLIAM BADGER, b. Charleston Clark Co Indiana20; d. Bef. 1880; m. SINA WARNER. ix. CHARLES BADGER, b. 1858, Charleston Clark Co Indiana21. x. GEORGE BADGER, b. 1860, Charleston Clark Co Indiana22; d. 1931, Charleston Clark Co Indiana23; m. JENNIE CAMPBELL. 3. xi. LUCY MAE BADGER, b. 1864, Charleston Clark Co Indiana; d. June 1954. Generation No. 3 3. LUCY MAE3 BADGER (CHRISTIAN G2, JOHN MICHAEL1) was born 1864 in Charleston Clark Co Indiana, and died June 1954. She married (1) MILLARD GRAEBE April 28, 1880 in Clark Co Indiana24. She married (2) HENRY CLAY RYALL February 14, 1888 in Clark Co Indiana25. Child of LUCY BADGER and MILLARD GRAEBE is: i. CHARLES4 GRAEBE. Children of LUCY BADGER and HENRY RYALL are: ii. BESSIE4 RYALL, m. CONDON. iii. LUCY RYALL, m. GROSE. iv. JOHN E. RYALL. v. LEONA RYALL, m. MERIDA. 4. vi. LORRENIA AMANDA RYALL, b. February 7, 1890, Alexandria Indiana; d. March 22, 1947. I would appreciate any help with my family, Judy Lehman

I see I made an error on my e-mail to you re Carl Hansen Petersen where I put Cal. Carl is my ggrandfather, and the email was enquiring about him and his son, Peter who emigrated to New Zealand c1880. Sorry for the error - I am a bit ancient! Iris fromAuckland, New Zealand

Karla, perhaps you know this but one uses the IGI as a guide only. Perhaps you can find some actual microfilmed records. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn@yahoo.com>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/3360 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for my ggrandparents. George Andersen, b. 31 Dec. 1852 in S-H. He emigrated prior to 1892 to the USA to escape Prussian conscription. He lived in the Town of Eaton, near Green Bay, Wisconsin. He was married to Sophie Christensen, b. 28 Feb. 1860, daughter of John Christensen and Margeret Hansen. I do not know if they were married in S-H or in the USA.

Hi, I want to thank Steve for the information about the Anglo-German Research Society. On the Interntional Genealogical Index of the LDS Church I found the surname that I was looking for in England. Hopefully, I will be able to trace the family to the first generation to arrive in England. The records are available here, but I know that I might be able to find some good information from this group. It is certainly helpful to belong to these mailing lists. Karla Nurnberg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/3359.1 Message Board Post: Michelle, I just wanted to make you aware that you have posted your query on the wrong message board. This message board here is specifically for people looking for information about people who were from Schleswig-Holstein (capital: Kiel). Your chances of getting useful and helpful replies to your query would be greatly increased if you would post your query again, but this time on the East Prussia message board. This is how to get there: Up to the left above the word "General" you see the string "Boards - Localities - Central Europe - Germany". Click on "Central Europe". When you get to that page, click on "Historical Regions". Then when you get to that page, you will see "East Prussia" on the list. So you click on that and then you'll be in the East Prussia message board. Robert

Here is a place to start for information on German Immigrants to England. http://feefhs.org/uk/frgagfhs.html Anglo-German Family History Society of London England is a mutual self-help group founded in 1987 in London, England to research ancestors who came from the German-speaking parts of Europe and settled in England. These people can recommend researchers who are familiar with PRO in Kensington. My wife's maiden name is Hohler. Her family tradition is that their ancestor arrived in George I's entourage. My father-in-law said he wasn't really English as his family had only been in England for seven generations. The oldest record I have found is a marriage 21 Jun 1771 at Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England. Try searching the IGI at www.familysearch.org Steve McLeod Broad Run, Virginia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~smcleod/GeneLinks.html genealogy@broadrunit.com "Justin Levy" <levyduffy@eircom.net> 09/12/2003 05:18 AM Please respond to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: [S-H-RTS] Levy Family from Bad Segeberg to England in 1860s or 1870s Hello Fellow Genealogists, I need some advice on tracing my roots in Germany. I am looking for records relating to: Matthias Levy and his wife, Ricke Levy (b. ca. 1820) and their two sons: Paul Matthias Levy (b. ca. 1851) Henry or Heinrich Levy (b. ca. 1854) On Paul's Jewish marriage authorization of December 1880 (issued by the London Beth Din), it states that Paul was a native of Segeberg. I do not know when the family emigrated to England. I am not certain that Paul and Henry were brothers; both their wedding certificates give the groom's father's as Matthias Levy, a merchant. What records are available on-line? Where and how do I start? Help!!!!! Regards, Justin Levy (Dublin, Ireland) ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm

Hello Fellow Genealogists, I need some advice on tracing my roots in Germany. I am looking for records relating to: Matthias Levy and his wife, Ricke Levy (b. ca. 1820) and their two sons: Paul Matthias Levy (b. ca. 1851) Henry or Heinrich Levy (b. ca. 1854) On Paul�s Jewish marriage authorization of December 1880 (issued by the London Beth Din), it states that Paul was a native of Segeberg. I do not know when the family emigrated to England. I am not certain that Paul and Henry were brothers; both their wedding certificates give the groom�s father�s as Matthias Levy, a merchant. What records are available on-line? Where and how do I start? Help!!!!! Regards, Justin Levy (Dublin, Ireland)

Does anyone know anything of my gt gramdparents, Cal Hansen Petersen and wife, Ingeborg Andresen or Andersen, who were living in Carlum, Schleswig, when the 1860 census was compiled? Their son, Peter, born c1856, emigrated to New Zealand about 1880, and married Anna Catherina Nielsen in 1882 in NZ. She and her mother emigrated from Schleswig about the same time to join Anna's father, Christian Nielsen, and her siblings in New Zealand. Peter Petersen's brother visited New Zealand to see Peter probably in the early 1900s. He was said to have a bar in Chicago, USA. Iris from Auckland, New Zealand

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/3255.1 Message Board Post: Dear Hannes, I just read your message and although the dates do not match the name is similar. My greatgrandfather was Peter Hartvig Jansen born May 19, 1848 in Schleswig Holstein area and married Wilhelmina Unruh. They came to the US in 1892. Peter's mother was Ellen Marie Pedersen Simonsen she was a twin. Peter's father was Adolph Jansen. Peter's brothers and sisters: Frederikke Georgia Jansen, Nicoline Sophie Jansen, Marie Dorothe Jansen, Vilhelmine Elizabeth Jansen. If any of these sound familiar please reply Auf Weidersehen, Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/3262.2 Message Board Post: Hi, I just saw your message and I have been working with Carl Nissen on finding his family. They come from the Schlawig Holstein area and his Fathers name was Jens Carl Nissen. I am going to forward this message to him to see if he has any info for you. Kathy PS he was also researching the Unruh name as well

Hi Juan, look at www.rootdigger.de and history and don't forget, countries/areas sometimes changed by marriage or death that time, not only by war... (nice the idea our politicians would follow this old tradition...) In 18th century it was not important to be of German or Danish nation, but to know which king has better rules or tax. Indeed, the history of Denmark/Schleswig/Holstein/Germany is confusing; simple: Holstein belonged to the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations, Schleswig not, but the king of Denmark was as well duke of Holstein, sometimes, this was possible. Or: the Duke of Danish Schleswig became Earl of Holstein and so on... It depends the time you are looking at. Anyhow, the people in Schleswig spoke German and had been subjects of the Danish crown. And the people of Holstein spoke German as well, but the sovereign was a Danish influenced duke, who was member of the Holy Roman Empire...simple... so these people had been subjects of the Danish crown as well and theoretically of the German Nation too. That time the folks did not care about German or Danish. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Jenssen <jjenssenm@hotmail.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] Schleswig > Hi everyone, > > There one theme I have some doubts about: > Schleswig was formerly Danish? Until when? Does it mean that people born > there until that year were Danish? Holstein has always been german? > Rendsburg was part of Schleswig? So it was Danish? > I make these questions because I'd like to clearly understand if someone > born in the Rendsburg area before 1830 was danish or german? > > Regards, > Juan Jenssen >

Hello Carol, I can't see a connection at this stage. I'll keep a look out, though. Let you know if I find anything. Regards, Allan -----Original Message----- From: Carol Martin [mailto:cmartin@teknetwork.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:13 AM To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Posting Interests > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm I have a Christian Nicholas Nissen b 1852 in Tondern, Denmark? Any connections? Carol ______________________________

http://www.genealogy-sh.de/history/e/history.htm One needs to remember that the control of a particular region does not determine one's nationality. There are several good history sites on line. the above is one of them. Linda

The reason for that was Denmark had control at that time period. Denmark had control for several hundred years of this area. Changing in the mid 1800's I do not have date in front of me. It also rotated back and forth at various times. Ironically, my German Mother in law, never liked German food but would eat the Danish type food. When I told her family was probably more Danish than German, she was most offended. They are not around to ask so we will never really know. But it does make for a twist in the system.. It is like many other areas that moved boundaries on steady basis. :>) SusiCP@aol.com

SusiCP@aol.com wrote: > The reason for that was Denmark had control at that time period. > Denmark had control for several hundred years of this area. Changing > in the mid 1800's I > do not have date in front of me. It also rotated back and forth at > various times. > > Ironically, my German Mother in law, never liked German food but > would eat > the Danish type food. When I told her family was probably more > Danish than German, she was most offended. They are not around to > ask so we will never really know. > > But it does make for a twist in the system.. It is like many other > areas that moved boundaries on steady basis. :>) SusiCP@aol.com > The political history of the area, like much of Europe, has many changes and complications. There was a complete and detailed history of the area posted to this list some months ago. One of the many interesting twists is that at during one period when Schleswig-Holstein was part of Germany the King of Denmark also had the German title of Duke of Schleswig-Holstein. Ron Martell Microsoft MVP http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

I am far from an expert in this area having only one family line from Flensberg and Erkernforde but from what I know the area passed back and forth from Germany and Denmark. I do know that while looking for my Muller, Kohrt, Langemann and Wilhelmson family in the l840 - 1860 Flensberg and Eckernsforde censuses there were about 80% Danish names which helped to find my German Lutheran family members. Diane Jacobs New York > Hi everyone, > > There one theme I have some doubts about: > Schleswig was formerly Danish? Until when? Does it mean that people born > there until that year were Danish? Holstein has always been german? > Rendsburg was part of Schleswig? So it was Danish? > I make these questions because I'd like to clearly understand if someone > born in the Rendsburg area before 1830 was danish or german? > > Regards, > Juan Jenssen > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >

Hi everyone, There one theme I have some doubts about: Schleswig was formerly Danish? Until when? Does it mean that people born there until that year were Danish? Holstein has always been german? Rendsburg was part of Schleswig? So it was Danish? I make these questions because I'd like to clearly understand if someone born in the Rendsburg area before 1830 was danish or german? Regards, Juan Jenssen

Hi Clay - I think the LDS website has some very useful information on planning a trip to the archives. The web address is www.familysearch.org. Otherwise, my strategy when visiting an archive or place with records is to figure out exactly what I want to look at via an online catalogue (at www.familysearch.org in your case), finding out if I need to/can book a microfilm/fiche reader in advance, finding out how I pay for copies made, finding out what type of identification I need to take, and taking copies of the family information I already have. I also find it useful to make a comprehensive list of exactly what I'm looking for. Good luck, Anita

You can do a lot of time-saving preparation in advance! 1. Go to http://www.cyndislist.com/travel.htm#FHL and follow the links that interest you. 2. Go to www.familysearch.com and do searches on the surnames and localities you want to research - that way you'll have call numbers, etc to speed your research. 3. Plan for at least one full day!