I have been reading a book on German Anzacs in the 1st World War( for those who don't know ANZAC is Australia and New Zealand Army Corps). In this book it states that some S-H people who migrated where anti German. "Given the forced incorporation of their duchy into Prussia in the 1860's, the original Kopplemans (or Koppelmanns) might even be regarded as political refugees; certainly, they would have had little love for the post-1870 Bismarckian Reich." and other similar statements are relatively frequently aired in the book. I know some people emigrated for land and others to avoid military service but would they have emigrated because of the German/ Bismark/Prussen take over of the area? Could this explain why one ancestor who left S-H in 1862 considered himself German when his son-in-law born 10km away in S-H who emigrated in 1871 said he was of 'Danish background'. Regards Gillian

How did you find the 1860 census of SCH? Thanks. Robbie

<<Could this explain why one ancestor who left S-H in 1862 considered himself German when his son-in-law born 10km away in S-H who emigrated in 1871 said he was of 'Danish background'.>> I have just signed up on this list, and have not researched this at all, but my husband's grandfather immigrated from S-H in June 1881 (any pointers for finding him on a ship listing or naturalization would be much appreciated) and he called himself German. After he settled in Iowa, he met a man with whom he had attended school in S-H, and that man called himself Danish. You all have probably discussed this at great length (I haven't found the archives yet), but didn't control of S-H go back and forth between the Germans and Danes several times? Any and all tips/clues/connections will be very much appreciated. Huge Blessings, Debra Claussen Looking for Claussen from Marne and Nordhusen, Meyer and Stiegelmeyer from Mecklenberg, Carsten from Kattrepel (1820's)

"SCHICHTEN DER ERINNERUNG" Spurensuche auf dem Gelände der ehemaligen Auswandererstadt Veddel AUSWANDERUNG ÜBER HAMBURG S O N N T A G, 28. S E P T E M B E R 2003 ist das letzte Gebäude der Auswanderungshallen in Hamburg zu besichtigen!!!!!!! UHRZEIT: 12 und 14 UHR mit Führung! KOSTEN: Keine! Adresse: Veddeler Bogen, direkt beim S-Bahnhof Veddel, Hamburg Im Rahmen eines Kunstprojekts ist das Gebäude selbst, sowie auch Gegenstände, die anläßlich von Grabungen auf dem Gelände gefunden wurden zu besichtigen. Niemand weiß zur Zeit, ob ein Auswanderer-Museum in Hamburg tatsächlich einmal realistiert werden wird. Die Finazierung ist seit ja seit Jahren ungeklärt. Daher sollte sich niemand diesen Termin am Sonntag entgehen lassen!!!!!! So schnell wird man jedenfalls wohl nicht wieder die Gelegenheit bekommen, einen Blick I N das Gebäude werfen zu können!!! Liebe Grüße! Silvia Harrfeldt, Hamburg Auzug aus dem Text des Projektes: ... Eine künstlerische Spurensuche auf dem Gelände der ehemaligen Auswandererstadt Veddel Heute: Eine S-Bahnstation. Damals: Die Zwischenstation für Amerika-Auswanderer, 1901 gebuat von der HAPAG. Das letzte Gebäude steht noch. Was hat früher mit heute zu tun? Wo begegnen sich Geschichte und Geschichten der Menschen von damals mit denen von heute? ... Nicht die Auswandererhalle im verlassenen Jetzt-Zustand wird das Verständnis der Zeitgenossen finden, sondern die verborgenen kleinen Schätze, die sie unter ihren Böden, hinter ihren Decken und Wänden birgt. Den Geist des Ortes unter dem Staub sichtbar zu machen, ist das eigentliche Ziel künstlerischer Archäologie und ihr Beitrag zu einem Denkmal der der Auswanderung aus der alten Welt. Ein Kunstprojekt im Rahmen von "Williams@Wilhelmsburg" Werner Schaarmann in Kooperation mit der Geschichtswerkstatt Wilhelmsburg. Kontakt: Werner Scharrmann, wernerschaarmann@gmx.de und markertm@honigfabrik.de

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/56.1 Message Board Post: In reply to your message, I have a Frederikke Georgia Jansen born in 1840 married to Hans Heinrich Christian Hinkelman and I also have a Marie Dorothe Jansen born in 1845, All are from SH Germany. Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kloepping Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/925.2154 Message Board Post: My Mothers maternal grandparents were also Frederick Kloepping and Susan Engel. Their daughter Alvina was my Nana. My Mom was her daughter. Alvina Kloepping was married to my grandfather John Robinson. I understand from paperwork I found from my Mom that Frederick and Susan had the following children named: John, Fred, Charles, Mimie, Pina, and my Grandmother Alvina.

Reimer WENCK born 1835 in Ditmarsh, Holstein, parents Johann WENCK and Christine LOVE went to Australia with his wife Trinke, and nine children in 1878. He had a sister Anna, who had married and gone to Australia before him. Reimer had worked as a gardener around the Flensburg area. He told one of his grandchildren that he had a brother who went to America with his family. I don't know the name of the brother. I would be interested if anyone connects with this family. Jennifer Crockett Melbourne, Australia jcrockett@optusnet.com.au

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Witze Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/3361 Message Board Post: Are there any listings or other available records of soldiers posted to the Flensburg area in this time period? My husband's ancestor (Andreas Witze) was married 21 March 1762 at St Johannis-FL, along with at least 7 of his soldier companions.....a "combined marriage ceremony". This suggests to me that there may have been an army base/garrison in Flensburg at that time. Are there any records of this? Thnx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zornig/Binda/Wiese-Selken/Oehlerich/Popp Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/2954.3.2.1.4 Message Board Post: Hi to you Carol, I too have this both names in my pedigree. Please have a view into my chart under : http://www.genealogy-sh.com/selken I´m nearly sure, that there are connections. Please let me know what you found. Greetings from Germany, Hans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zornig/Binda/Wiese-Selken/Oehlerich/Popp Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/2954.3.2.1.3 Message Board Post: Hi to you Carol, I too have this both names in my pedigree. Please have a view into my chart under : http://www.genealogy-sh.com/selken I´m nearly sure, that there are connections. Please let me know what you found. Greetings from Germany, Hans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zornig/Binda/Wiese-Selken/Oehlerich/Popp Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/2954.3.2.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi to you Carol, I too have this both names in my pedigree. Please have a view into my chart under : http://www.genealogy-sh.com/selken I´m nearly sure, that there are connections. Please let me know what you found. Greetings from Germany, Hans

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/3293.1 Message Board Post: Hi Regan, sorry, but I just found your entrance here. My family too came from Bergenhusen(not Bergelheuse), a little village between Rendsburg and Husum in Sch.-Holstein. My Selken-name came from Selke/Selck and has been changed over the years. Please have a view into my chart under http://www.genealogy-sh.com/selken. Maybe you`ll find some connections.(Selk/Selck/Langmaack) Best greetings from Germany, Hans (Hans W. Selken)

Steve, Thanks very much for the tip. I'll visit the website now. Justin Levy SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Here is a place to start for information on German Immigrants to England. > http://feefhs.org/uk/frgagfhs.html > Anglo-German Family History Society of London England is a mutual > self-help group founded in 1987 in London, England to research ancestors > who came from the German-speaking parts of Europe and settled in England. > These people can recommend researchers who are familiar with PRO in > Kensington. > > My wife's maiden name is Hohler. Her family tradition is that their > ancestor arrived in George I's entourage. My father-in-law said he wasn't > really English as his family had only been in England for seven > generations. The oldest record I have found is a marriage 21 Jun 1771 at > Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England. Try searching > the IGI at www.familysearch.org > > Steve McLeod > Broad Run, Virginia > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~smcleod/GeneLinks.html > genealogy@broadrunit.com > > > > > > "Justin Levy" <levyduffy@eircom.net> > 09/12/2003 05:18 AM > Please respond to SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L > > > To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > cc: > Subject: [S-H-RTS] Levy Family from Bad Segeberg to England in 1860s or 1870s > > > > Hello Fellow Genealogists, > > I need some advice on tracing my roots in Germany. I am looking for > records relating to: > > Matthias Levy and his wife, Ricke Levy (b. ca. 1820) and their two sons: > Paul Matthias Levy (b. ca. 1851) > Henry or Heinrich Levy (b. ca. 1854) > > On Paul's Jewish marriage authorization of December 1880 (issued by the > London Beth Din), it states that Paul was a native of Segeberg. I do not > know when the family emigrated to England. I am not certain that Paul and > Henry were brothers; both their wedding certificates give the groom's > father's as Matthias Levy, a merchant. > > What records are available on-line? Where and how do I start? Help!!!!! > > Regards, > > Justin Levy > (Dublin, Ireland) > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > >

Does anyone know of a map of S-H which shows the Probsteierhagen and or any older sort of parish maps. I want to know if my GGGGrandfather was born in the Probsteierhagen. Thank you Gillian

Carol, To make the o with the line through it, do the following: hold down the ALT key and type in 0216 for a capitol Ø, press ALT ant type 0248 for a lowercase ø. be sure the number lock is on and hold down the ALT key while entering the numbers. Mark

Hello to the group members: Here is more information on my ggrandparents. George (could be Georg, or Jorgen with the line through the o) emigrated to the U. S. in 1879, according to census documentation. His name was misspelled as Anderson in the census. He was naturalized and owned his own farm. Sophie emigrated in 1882. George and Sophie may have married in the USA because the census showed they had been married 18 years in 1900 and had had six children born and six children living. Their children were Carl b Aug 1885, Olaf b Dec 1887, Margartha b Sept 1890, Hansthe (or Hans) b Oct 1892, Simon b Apr 1896, and Sophus dates unknown. I am researching George and Sophie in earnest, as they are the only branch of the family tree that is not clear to me. Is it possible that Sophie was Norwegian? The EN spelling of Andersen, I was always told, was Danish. I look for guidance to this group. Thank you for any help you can provide to me. Carol

I have to ask, Why were the children's last names Badger and Not Bottger? I find that confusing? Thankyou, and if I've missed something, I apologise. Portia Haynes

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/819.916.2 Message Board Post: JOHN MICHAEL1 Bottger was born Abt. 1778 in Coburn Gotha Baden Germany1, and died Bef. 1850 in at sea. He married MARIA SOPHIE BADGER. Children of JOHN Bottger and MARIA BADGER are: 2. i. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER, b. June 30, 1819, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia; d. Aft. 1882. ii. HENRY BARMON BADGER, b. 1822, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia2; d. New Albany Floyd Co Indiana; m. MARTHA LEWIS, November 26, 1846, Clark Co Indiana3. iii. WILLIAM W BADGER, b. June 20, 1817, Efrurt Prussia4; d. March 20, 1888, Hawesville Kentucky5; m. (1) MARY ANN BURNETT, August 25, 1841, Hancock Co Kentucky6; m. (2) SARAH A, November 11, 1873, Hawesville Kentucky7; m. (3) MINERVA JANE BURNETT, March 1, 1877, Hancock Co Kentucky8Found in a book "The Diary of a Confederate Soldier" by John S. Jackman that William Badger called the "Old Guard" helped Jackman transport the Regiment's papers to Washington, GA during the end of the Civil War. iv. FREDERICKA BADGER, b. Abt. 1810. Generation No. 2 2. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER (JOHN MICHAEL1) was born June 30, 1819 in Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia9, and died Aft. 1882. He married LEREEN GREEN November 15, 1840 in clark Co Indiana10. Children of CHRISTIAN BADGER and LEREEN GREEN are: i. JOHN H3 BADGER, b. 1841, Charleston Clark Co Indiana11. ii. EDWARD B BADGER, b. 1842, Charleston Clark Co Indiana12; m. MARGARET. iii. LEWIS BADGER, b. September 10, 1845, Charleston Clark Co Indiana13; m. ADORA GRAEBE, July 29, 1867, Clark Co Indiana14. iv. EMILY MARY BADGER, b. 1849, Charleston Clark Co Indiana15; m. WILLIAM MASNER. v. HARRIET BADGER, b. 1851, Charleston Clark Co Indiana16; m. CHARLES REICH, September 24, 1871, Clark Co Indiana17. vi. MARTHA BADGER, b. 1853, Charleston Clark Co Indiana18. vii. CHRISTIAN BADGER, b. September 16, 1855, Charleston Clark Co Indiana19; m. NINA MORGAN. viii. WILLIAM BADGER, b. Charleston Clark Co Indiana20; d. Bef. 1880; m. SINA WARNER. ix. CHARLES BADGER, b. 1858, Charleston Clark Co Indiana21. x. GEORGE BADGER, b. 1860, Charleston Clark Co Indiana22; d. 1931, Charleston Clark Co Indiana23; m. JENNIE CAMPBELL. 3. xi. LUCY MAE BADGER, b. 1864, Charleston Clark Co Indiana; d. June 1954. Generation No. 3 3. LUCY MAE3 BADGER (CHRISTIAN G2, JOHN MICHAEL1) was born 1864 in Charleston Clark Co Indiana, and died June 1954. She married (1) MILLARD GRAEBE April 28, 1880 in Clark Co Indiana24. She married (2) HENRY CLAY RYALL February 14, 1888 in Clark Co Indiana25. Child of LUCY BADGER and MILLARD GRAEBE is: i. CHARLES4 GRAEBE. Children of LUCY BADGER and HENRY RYALL are: ii. BESSIE4 RYALL, m. CONDON. iii. LUCY RYALL, m. GROSE. iv. JOHN E. RYALL. v. LEONA RYALL, m. MERIDA. 4. vi. LORRENIA AMANDA RYALL, b. February 7, 1890, Alexandria Indiana; d. March 22, 1947. I would appreciate any help with my family, Judy Lehman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/819.916.1 Message Board Post: JOHN MICHAEL1 Bottger was born Abt. 1778 in Coburn Gotha Baden Germany1, and died Bef. 1850 in at sea. He married MARIA SOPHIE BADGER. Children of JOHN Bottger and MARIA BADGER are: 2. i. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER, b. June 30, 1819, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia; d. Aft. 1882. ii. HENRY BARMON BADGER, b. 1822, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia2; d. New Albany Floyd Co Indiana; m. MARTHA LEWIS, November 26, 1846, Clark Co Indiana3. iii. WILLIAM W BADGER, b. June 20, 1817, Efrurt Prussia4; d. March 20, 1888, Hawesville Kentucky5; m. (1) MARY ANN BURNETT, August 25, 1841, Hancock Co Kentucky6; m. (2) SARAH A, November 11, 1873, Hawesville Kentucky7; m. (3) MINERVA JANE BURNETT, March 1, 1877, Hancock Co Kentucky8Found in a book "The Diary of a Confederate Soldier" by John S. Jackman that William Badger called the "Old Guard" helped Jackman transport the Regiment's papers to Washington, GA during the end of the Civil War. iv. FREDERICKA BADGER, b. Abt. 1810. Generation No. 2 2. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER (JOHN MICHAEL1) was born June 30, 1819 in Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia9, and died Aft. 1882. He married LEREEN GREEN November 15, 1840 in clark Co Indiana10. Children of CHRISTIAN BADGER and LEREEN GREEN are: i. JOHN H3 BADGER, b. 1841, Charleston Clark Co Indiana11. ii. EDWARD B BADGER, b. 1842, Charleston Clark Co Indiana12; m. MARGARET. iii. LEWIS BADGER, b. September 10, 1845, Charleston Clark Co Indiana13; m. ADORA GRAEBE, July 29, 1867, Clark Co Indiana14. iv. EMILY MARY BADGER, b. 1849, Charleston Clark Co Indiana15; m. WILLIAM MASNER. v. HARRIET BADGER, b. 1851, Charleston Clark Co Indiana16; m. CHARLES REICH, September 24, 1871, Clark Co Indiana17. vi. MARTHA BADGER, b. 1853, Charleston Clark Co Indiana18. vii. CHRISTIAN BADGER, b. September 16, 1855, Charleston Clark Co Indiana19; m. NINA MORGAN. viii. WILLIAM BADGER, b. Charleston Clark Co Indiana20; d. Bef. 1880; m. SINA WARNER. ix. CHARLES BADGER, b. 1858, Charleston Clark Co Indiana21. x. GEORGE BADGER, b. 1860, Charleston Clark Co Indiana22; d. 1931, Charleston Clark Co Indiana23; m. JENNIE CAMPBELL. 3. xi. LUCY MAE BADGER, b. 1864, Charleston Clark Co Indiana; d. June 1954. Generation No. 3 3. LUCY MAE3 BADGER (CHRISTIAN G2, JOHN MICHAEL1) was born 1864 in Charleston Clark Co Indiana, and died June 1954. She married (1) MILLARD GRAEBE April 28, 1880 in Clark Co Indiana24. She married (2) HENRY CLAY RYALL February 14, 1888 in Clark Co Indiana25. Child of LUCY BADGER and MILLARD GRAEBE is: i. CHARLES4 GRAEBE. Children of LUCY BADGER and HENRY RYALL are: ii. BESSIE4 RYALL, m. CONDON. iii. LUCY RYALL, m. GROSE. iv. JOHN E. RYALL. v. LEONA RYALL, m. MERIDA. 4. vi. LORRENIA AMANDA RYALL, b. February 7, 1890, Alexandria Indiana; d. March 22, 1947. I would appreciate any help with my family, Judy Lehman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kVC.2ACE/819.917 Message Board Post: JOHN MICHAEL1 Bottger was born Abt. 1778 in Coburn Gotha Baden Germany1, and died Bef. 1850 in at sea. He married MARIA SOPHIE BADGER. Children of JOHN Bottger and MARIA BADGER are: 2. i. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER, b. June 30, 1819, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia; d. Aft. 1882. ii. HENRY BARMON BADGER, b. 1822, Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia2; d. New Albany Floyd Co Indiana; m. MARTHA LEWIS, November 26, 1846, Clark Co Indiana3. iii. WILLIAM W BADGER, b. June 20, 1817, Efrurt Prussia4; d. March 20, 1888, Hawesville Kentucky5; m. (1) MARY ANN BURNETT, August 25, 1841, Hancock Co Kentucky6; m. (2) SARAH A, November 11, 1873, Hawesville Kentucky7; m. (3) MINERVA JANE BURNETT, March 1, 1877, Hancock Co Kentucky8Found in a book "The Diary of a Confederate Soldier" by John S. Jackman that William Badger called the "Old Guard" helped Jackman transport the Regiment's papers to Washington, GA during the end of the Civil War. iv. FREDERICKA BADGER, b. Abt. 1810. Generation No. 2 2. CHRISTIAN G2 BADGER (JOHN MICHAEL1) was born June 30, 1819 in Erfurt Stadt, Sachsen, Prussia9, and died Aft. 1882. He married LEREEN GREEN November 15, 1840 in clark Co Indiana10. Children of CHRISTIAN BADGER and LEREEN GREEN are: i. JOHN H3 BADGER, b. 1841, Charleston Clark Co Indiana11. ii. EDWARD B BADGER, b. 1842, Charleston Clark Co Indiana12; m. MARGARET. iii. LEWIS BADGER, b. September 10, 1845, Charleston Clark Co Indiana13; m. ADORA GRAEBE, July 29, 1867, Clark Co Indiana14. iv. EMILY MARY BADGER, b. 1849, Charleston Clark Co Indiana15; m. WILLIAM MASNER. v. HARRIET BADGER, b. 1851, Charleston Clark Co Indiana16; m. CHARLES REICH, September 24, 1871, Clark Co Indiana17. vi. MARTHA BADGER, b. 1853, Charleston Clark Co Indiana18. vii. CHRISTIAN BADGER, b. September 16, 1855, Charleston Clark Co Indiana19; m. NINA MORGAN. viii. WILLIAM BADGER, b. Charleston Clark Co Indiana20; d. Bef. 1880; m. SINA WARNER. ix. CHARLES BADGER, b. 1858, Charleston Clark Co Indiana21. x. GEORGE BADGER, b. 1860, Charleston Clark Co Indiana22; d. 1931, Charleston Clark Co Indiana23; m. JENNIE CAMPBELL. 3. xi. LUCY MAE BADGER, b. 1864, Charleston Clark Co Indiana; d. June 1954. Generation No. 3 3. LUCY MAE3 BADGER (CHRISTIAN G2, JOHN MICHAEL1) was born 1864 in Charleston Clark Co Indiana, and died June 1954. She married (1) MILLARD GRAEBE April 28, 1880 in Clark Co Indiana24. She married (2) HENRY CLAY RYALL February 14, 1888 in Clark Co Indiana25. Child of LUCY BADGER and MILLARD GRAEBE is: i. CHARLES4 GRAEBE. Children of LUCY BADGER and HENRY RYALL are: ii. BESSIE4 RYALL, m. CONDON. iii. LUCY RYALL, m. GROSE. iv. JOHN E. RYALL. v. LEONA RYALL, m. MERIDA. 4. vi. LORRENIA AMANDA RYALL, b. February 7, 1890, Alexandria Indiana; d. March 22, 1947. I would appreciate any help with my family, Judy Lehman