Dear Members, Since several weeks I had set the gateway between the Board and the Mailinglist on a moderated status. So I was able to delete a lot of mails before they reached the mailinglist. Now the gateway is open again and no longer moderated by me. Let us see if this works now. If you read eMails which were written originally on the Board, than please visit the Board and write your response there. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general Thank you. Regards, Hans Peter Voss Administrator SH-Rootsweb-Mailinglist Administrator SH-Rootsweb-Messageboard

Forwarded message from the SH-Board. Please sent a response directly to the original sender. Regards, Hans Peter Voss ; Admin SH-Roots List and Board Betreff: Re: Harmsen Search Datum: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:18:15 -0600 Von: david.s.wilkinson@att.net An: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/287.1399.3 Message Board Post: I'm descended from John's sister Beatrice. Their parents were Ben and Hattie. Hattie was from Germany and Ben was born in Michigan. His parents, Hendrik and Janna, were born in Bentheim Germany. I have lots of info and photos if you're interested.

2. Does anyone know th elocation of Swabstead? Can't seem to it on any = maps. The spelling is Schwabstedt, southeat of Husum on the north bank of the Treene River. Bob

Go to Mapquest, put in the name of the city, Schwabstedt, in Germany...it comes up, just like it says...southeast of Husumer Strasse and the north side of the Treene River. Good luck Linda Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcpeper@aol.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:45 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] Re: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-D Digest V03 #192 > 2. Does anyone know th elocation of Swabstead? Can't seem to it on any = > maps. > > > The spelling is Schwabstedt, southeat of Husum on the north bank of the > Treene River. > > Bob > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >

At the Rigsarkivet in Copenhagen there is a fantastic version of the Volkszahlregister 1835 for Kirchspiel Elmshorn which contains not only the people but also their church records ( e g parents' names, marriages, indicators directing one to earlier or later censuses,) and even Gravert Hof numbers. I believe there is also a volume with similar information on the 1803 Census. They were compiled by Manfred Thomsen. I don't know how widely available they are, but they are certainly well worth consulting for those with families in Elmshorn. Does anyone know if they available in Australia? Beverley

Elaine, There use to be quite a few FICKS in the Muscatine, IA rural area. Herb Brudtkuhl

Two questions for the group. 1. Under which census and church region would Sipsdorf fall under? 2. Does anyone know th elocation of Swabstead? Can't seem to it on any maps. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: "Kurt Peter Voß" [mailto:K.P.VOSS@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:45 To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: AW: [S-H-RTS] 1835 Census of Kirchspiel Elmshorn "Detlef Ziemann" <dezi01@lycos.de> schrieb: how can one get access to this? Is it available online? here you find online-census: http://www.akvz.de/ger/pubvz2D.html and also here: http://www.akvz.de/ger/dda00D.html and also here: http://www.akvz.de/ger/vz_01D.html mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Peter Voß ************************************************************* D-24109 Kiel, Bergenring 6, Germany Phon: +49 (431) 6612627 Mobil: +49 (171) 1846775 eMail: mailto:K.P.Voss@T-Online.de Internet: http://www.akvz.de Internet: http://www.Voss-Archiv.de ************************************************************* Fingerprint: CF:A1:82:C0:82:E3:00:71:7F:EC:90:E7:EF:7D:G7:FD ************************************************************* ausgehende eMails sind Norton AntiVirus 2003 geprüft! _____________________________________________________________ Bitte fördern Sie die Arbeit des AKVZ e.V. durch eine Spende! Näheres hierzu siehe: http://www.akvz.de/ger/spendenD.html ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm

In der Literatur fand ich Staack, Hans, Die Ahnen des Obersten Hans Joachim von Sachau, in: Jahrbuch des Kreises Rendsburg, 1965, Z. Z. sind die Seiten eingescannt und für den Versand bereit Wer hat Interesse mit AT von Nr 1 - 63, also 6 Geneartionen Nortorf/Holstein und Umgebung? Gruß Klaus Riecken www.Riecken-online.de

Hi, Don't know if you received replies from anyone else but I just sent you the 1910 census with Barthold Fick. Would have replied sooner but we just arrived home after a three week trip. My husband's mother was a Fick. Her grandparents, Wilhelm and Maria Fick arrived in the US about the same time as your Barthold and Maria Fick! I will email again in another day or two with the info that I have. Since I could only find the 1910 census, perhaps they lived with another family or one of their children before 1910 and would have been enumerated with them. So I would not be able to find them. If you had access to any other census that have an index, they would show up on those films and would indicate who they were living with (ie enumerated). But I hope that maybe someone else has sent you some info in the meantime. Will get back to you. Elaine Larson Neuhaus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Marshall" <dimdmary@pacifier.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: [S-H-RTS] SURNAME: FICK & GERNENTZ & ALBRECHT > Hello List: > > I am researching these surnames. Would appreciate any help or information > you might be able to provide. > > > Barthold Matthias Fick born 2 June 1837 in Fahrstedterdeich, Germany > Maria Mathilda Albrecht born 12 March 1845 in Sophienkoog, Germany > Family came to US from Hamburg on ship "Silesia" 27 March 1872 and settled > in Libertyville, Illinois (USA) > > Carl Joachim Heinrich Gernentz born 15 October 1846 in Wardow, Laage > Parish, Germany > Married Eliza d. Riss 2 November 1878. > Family came to US aboard ship "Cimbria" & arrived in New York 13 November > 1882 with 4 small > children & settled in area of Ransom, Illinois > > Mary Lou ( Oregon) > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > >

Hello, you don't find only the "Aurora information", you find a whole lot more all over the U.S.!! Sincerely, Hans-Georg Boyken, Titonka, Iowa 50480 ---------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura/howard" <hfreeman@sktc.net> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: [ILKANE] Aurora City Directory on line for 1910-1911 > http://www.distantcousin.com/directories/il/aurora/1910_11/f.html > > This is a great site for Aurora information. Hope this helps someone. > > Laura > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > >

I am still looking for info on Henry Becker b. 1834 Holstein, father John Becker b. 1802/03 mother Dora b. 1802/03. Don't know where born. All died in Winona County, Minnesota. Any suggestions as to where to look, please let me know. Joan

Good day Beverley, > At the Rigsarkivet in Copenhagen there is a fantastic version > of the Volkszahlregister 1835 for Kirchspiel Elmshorn ... how can one get access to this? Is it available online? mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Detlef Ziemann Meine Ahnen und ich / my ancestors and me: http://www.dziemann.de.vu

"Detlef Ziemann" <dezi01@lycos.de> schrieb: how can one get access to this? Is it available online? here you find online-census: http://www.akvz.de/ger/pubvz2D.html and also here: http://www.akvz.de/ger/dda00D.html and also here: http://www.akvz.de/ger/vz_01D.html mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Peter Voß ************************************************************* D-24109 Kiel, Bergenring 6, Germany Phon: +49 (431) 6612627 Mobil: +49 (171) 1846775 eMail: mailto:K.P.Voss@T-Online.de Internet: http://www.akvz.de Internet: http://www.Voss-Archiv.de ************************************************************* Fingerprint: CF:A1:82:C0:82:E3:00:71:7F:EC:90:E7:EF:7D:G7:FD ************************************************************* ausgehende eMails sind Norton AntiVirus 2003 geprüft! _____________________________________________________________ Bitte fördern Sie die Arbeit des AKVZ e.V. durch eine Spende! Näheres hierzu siehe: http://www.akvz.de/ger/spendenD.html

Liebe Freunde, Roland Thöm hat eine Personen zu 1619 Hausmarken aus Schleswig-Holstein zusammengestellt. Weiteres siehe: http://mitglied.lycos.de/akvz/028/028/028.html bzw: http://mitglied.lycos.de/akvz/028/028/Hausm4.htm Gruß Peter ************************************************************* D-24109 Kiel, Bergenring 6, Germany Phon: +49 (431) 6612627 Mobil: +49 (171) 1846775 eMail: mailto:K.P.Voss@T-Online.de Internet: http://www.akvz.de Internet: http://www.Voss-Archiv.de ************************************************************* Fingerprint: CF:A1:82:C0:82:E3:00:71:7F:EC:90:E7:EF:7D:G7:FD ************************************************************* ausgehende eMails sind Norton AntiVirus 2003 geprüft! _____________________________________________________________ Bitte fördern Sie die Arbeit des AKVZ e.V. durch eine Spende! Näheres hierzu siehe: http://www.akvz.de/ger/spendenD.html

Hi Robbie Some time ago when my cousin's son was on business in Denmark, his Danish name drew the attention of the person with whom he had an appointment. He enquired about it and my cousin's son told him that his ggrandparemts came from Schleswig, but that was all he knew. The businessman said his mother could read the old Danish script and that she would see if she could find out anything. She gave him one page of the census with my grandfather at the age of 4 and his parents, Carl Hansen PETERSEN and Ingeborg ANDRESEN or ANDERSEN. That is all the information I have on the matter. Recently I have been in touch with a Danish woman who has kindly found the marriage of my gt grandmother who married Christian NIELSEN at Ensted and gave me the details together with the birthdates of both of them. It is rather difficult in New Zealand to find out anything - especially when I cannot speak Danish. My Danish grandparents arrived in New Zealand about 1880 and married in New Zealand in 1882. They were Peter PETERSEN and Anna Catherina NIELSEN. They did not teach their children any Danish. Iris from Auckland, New Zealand

Was wondering if there are any others out there who are researching or know of anyone who is researching the Erps family. No specifics at this time.

Liebe Freunde, nachfolgende VZ's sind in letzter Zeit online gestellt worden: VZ1835, Kirchspiel Emmelsbüll, Kreis Südtondern http://www.akvz.de/dwl/835C5841K.htm VZ1803, Gut Oppendorf, Kieler Güterdistrict http://www.akvz.de/dwl/803C5922K.htm VZ1835, Gut Wittenberg, Kieler Güterdistrict http://www.akvz.de/dwl/835C5923K.htm VZ1840, Gut Schrevenborn, Kieler Güterdistrict http://www.akvz.de/dwl/840C5924K.htm VZ1803, Gut Schönhorst, Kieler Güterdistrict http://www.akvz.de/dwl/803C6212K.htm VZ1803, Flecken Wesselburen, Landschaft Norderdithmarschen http://www.akvz.de/dwl/803C6014K.htm Gruß Peter ************************************************************* D-24109 Kiel, Bergenring 6, Germany Phon: +49 (431) 6612627 Mobil: +49 (171) 1846775 eMail: mailto:K.P.Voss@T-Online.de Internet: http://www.akvz.de Internet: http://www.Voss-Archiv.de ************************************************************* Fingerprint: CF:A1:82:C0:82:E3:00:71:7F:EC:90:E7:EF:7D:G7:FD ************************************************************* ausgehende eMails sind Norton AntiVirus 2003 geprüft! _____________________________________________________________ Bitte fördern Sie die Arbeit des AKVZ e.V. durch eine Spende! Näheres hierzu siehe: http://www.akvz.de/ger/spendenD.html

Hi List, I do not know about other migrants from Schleswig- Holstein but my ancestors certainly did not migrate for political reasons, in fact I think this claim of political migration and anti Bismarck tales is very much overdone. Yes, I remember my father telling me that his father claimed to be Danish but this was totally a result of anti-German hysteria in Australia during WW1 & WW11. I understand that many people from Schleswig- Holstein migrated to USA after the various civil wars against Denmark, now if they were against the militant policies of Bismarck, it was very strange of these Germans to be fighting in the American wars. greetings Wayne I have been reading a book on German Anzacs in the 1st World War( for those who don't know ANZAC is Australia and New Zealand Army Corps). In this book it states that some S-H people who migrated where anti German. "Given the forced incorporation of their duchy into Prussia in the 1860's, the original Kopplemans (or Koppelmanns) might even be regarded as political refugees; certainly, they would have had little love for the post-1870 Bismarckian Reich." and other similar statements are relatively frequently aired in the book. I know some people emigrated for land and others to avoid military service but would they have emigrated because of the German/ Bismark/Prussen take over of the area? Could this explain why one ancestor who left S-H in 1862 considered himself German when his son-in-law born 10km away in S-H who emigrated in 1871 said he was of 'Danish background'. Regards Gillian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kVC.2ACE/56.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry these are not related. Regards, Gil

Hi Gillian and List My grandparents were born in Schleswig which was taken over by the Prussians in the 1860s, so when they emigrated to New Zealand they had to say they came from Germany. They married in 1882 in New Zealand and their children were always told they were Danish. They were Peter PETRSEN born c1856, son of Carl Hansen PETERSEN and Ingeborg ANDERSEN or ANDRESEN, who were living in Carlum, SCH, when the 1860 census was taken, and Carl was said to be a carpenter, and Anna Catherina NIELSEN, dau. of Christian NIELSEN and Anna Catherina Petersen KIRKMANN , who came from somewhere around the same area. Christian and Anna Catherina were married at the Lutheran Church in Ensted on 25 Feb. 1855. They were living in Abenraa at the time. Iris from Auckland, New Zealand